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This is HOM Wanda with full control of the chaos wave and Amazo with all of his absorption abilities against these members of the JLA:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Hal Jordan
Martian Manhunter
Flash (wally)
Dr. Fate
Bloodwynd
Captain Atom
Orion (/w/ Astro Force)
Jason Blood (Etrigan)

fight takes place in an empty Metropolis and they are all bloodlusted..........who wins?

Wanda and Amzo take it.

"No More Dc"

Wanda wins !

Originally posted by grey fox
"No More Dc"

Wanda wins ! im not sure if that would work the same as it did on the mutants

Chaos Magic is more powerful in the DCU.

Wanda and Amazo take this.

Can she say "No more Jeph Loeb"? would that work?

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Can she say "No more Jeph Loeb"? would that work? ??

I have issues with Jeph Loeb's writing.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
I have issues with Jeph Loeb's writing. yeah i didnt really like the whole House of M saga, the best part of the whole saga is when wanda said "no more mutants" and then did what she did, other then that it was crap

Wanda and Amazo ftw

Wanda gets taken out rather easily by the Flash or anyother speedster. Forum rules stipulate a KO is all that is necessary for a win. That means if Hawkeye can KO or kill her than Flash or anybody else with speed can kill her....

Amazo will be the major issue to deal with. Orion carries a Mother Box so it can deprogram Amazo.

I would like to see Hawkeye KO Wanda when she's aware because she's coming for battle, like WHEN Hawkeye shot the SECOND Arrow...

Wanda was distracted by Dr Strange when Hawkeye shot Wanda dead in the Heart, from behind the back.

Wanda either died and resurrected herself in an instant, or Wanda was KO'd and woke her self up in an instant.


Wanda gets shot by Hawk Eye in the back while she's distracted by Strange
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3770/w5yp3.th.jpg

Seems like she's dead
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1153/w7sc2.th.jpg
Notice the arrows Position, right on the side of the Heart,

Hawkeye came to KILL, READ the scan.

But she CAN'T Die...arrow in her back deconstructs...everything is as was.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6858/w6dw8.th.jpg
"If I couldn't KILL you"......that's right buddy, you couldn't

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6125/w8gg5.th.jpg
THIS time...Wanda KNEW it was coming, observe the difference now folks

Wanda breaks Hawkeye up into little blocks...forget the arrow.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9418/w9cn5.th.jpg

After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg
Wanda didn't turn to atoms or molecules or pudding or anything, her FRAIL HUMAN BODY SURVIVED, like nothing ever happened

Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg

If she can take a Universe Exploding in her face, I think she can handle the Flash or any other speedster.


ps. the 616 Universe blew up in Wanda's face between 12 and 14 times during HOM, I'll count it again tomorrow, with scans of course I'll come back.


Hawkeye..... lmfao

50/50 fight. It would take some serious mojo to take wanda. Maybe one of those big bang holding bubbles from hal jordan to hold her while Dr. fate erases the mutant gene from her. Or banishes her to the phantom zone. Amazo is Gonna kick everybody's ass unless the same trick that worked on wanda works on him.

For heaven's sake. You don't have to flood the bandwidth with a dozen pics to make an arguement....



The reason standing is Wanda is capable of being KOed or killed. Whether she can resurrect herself from the unconsciousness or the dead is moot because all it takes is one KO or kill for it be considered a win under forum rules.

Wanda obviously didn't have any extrasensory perception to know that Hawkeye was in the same room so what makes you think she'll know the Flash is gonna vibrate his hand through her skull in a septosecond?

Answer: She won't.

Amazo is the real threat.

Originally posted by Draco69
You don't have to flood the bandwidth with a dozen pics to make an arguement....

I like adding the Proof to my arguement


Originally posted by Draco69
The reason standing is Wanda is capable of being KOed or killed. Whether she can resurrect herself from the unconsciousness or the dead is moot because all it takes is one KO or kill for it be considered a win under forum rules.

Wanda obviously didn't have any extrasensory perception to know that Hawkeye was in the same room so what makes you think she'll know the Flash is gonna vibrate his hand through her skull in a septosecond?


Dr Strange is trying to find out what happened to Xavier, while convincing Wanda to explain why is she allowing all the madness outside
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/351/w7wx1.th.jpg

Wanda is the one manipulating ALL of it of course
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/779/w6fc4.th.jpg

Wanda instead CREATES a Reality where she meets up with Quicksilver, so Strange can hear it straight from Quicksilver's mouth
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4139/w1vy3.th.jpg
While she is still in her room with her children (that she created) and Strange

This isn't surprising, Wanda (with total control of the UNIVERSE) can create copies of herself on a whim
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6157/w5uu5.th.jpg

This scenario involving Wanda and Quicksilver lasted 4 pages
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1251/w2jv3.th.jpg

Wanda becomes very emotional
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4700/w3rp1.th.jpg

This is when Hawkeye sneaks up on her
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9733/w4dn4.th.jpg


While she's controlling Reality Outside, CREATING a Reality INSIDE and on top of that, she just went through FOUR pages of emotional turmoil with her brother, Hawkeye caught her unaware.

But when Wanda was AWARE:

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6125/w8gg5.th.jpg
THIS time...Wanda KNEW it was coming, observe the difference now folks

Wanda breaks Hawkeye up into little blocks...forget the arrow.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9418/w9cn5.th.jpg

Besides the FACT, that the 616 UNIVERSE blew up in her face more than 10 times,

Flash is NOT touching Wanda, Not now not ever.

Pico seconds or whatever...

FLash Drags wanda into the speed force.

Originally posted by Draco69
For heaven's sake. You don't have to flood the bandwidth with a dozen pics to make an arguement....



The reason standing is Wanda is capable of being KOed or killed. Whether she can resurrect herself from the unconsciousness or the dead is moot because all it takes is one KO or kill for it be considered a win under forum rules.

Wanda obviously didn't have any extrasensory perception to know that Hawkeye was in the same room so what makes you think she'll know the Flash is gonna vibrate his hand through her skull in a septosecond?

Answer: She won't.

Amazo is the real threat.

Well if they're on the same team can't we assume that Amazo will be playing interference for Wanda? He does have Flash's powers too

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well if they're on the same team can't we assume that Amazo will be playing interference for Wanda? He does have Flash's powers too exactly

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well if they're on the same team can't we assume that Amazo will be playing interference for Wanda? He does have Flash's powers too

he couldn't possbily run interference for her all of the time with that many opponents. The Jla is familiar with both of thier power sets. Flash would be sent against wanda while the others hold amazo at bay.

Well firstly I think we have to consider the point Mr Master brings up about Wanda....and secondly...can't Amazo just grab Wanda and play keep away until she has the time to manifest a thought? Which equals "No more JLA"?

Wanda made Hawkeye in HoM. She made the walking plot device that is Layla Miller. She made Layla Miller perchance to meet Hawkeye and the human resistance and give them their memories of the reality that existed before she remade it to suit her. She didn't lose in HoM she engineered her own defeat. And even then she wasn't really defeated.

One can easily extrapolate that she's as much one with reality lego as Iceman is one with water - she can make and animate "reality Wandas" in the same manner that he can make Icemen. Kick down her sandcastle and she can likely just build a new one.

They seemed to want to make her akin to a modern Jaspers except not evil. And Jaspers would beat this JLA.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wanda made Hawkeye in HoM. She made the walking plot device that is Layla Miller. She made Layla Miller perchance to meet Hawkeye and the human resistance and give them their memories of the reality that existed before she remade it to suit her. She didn't lose in HoM she engineered her own defeat. And even then she wasn't really defeated.

One can easily extrapolate that she's as much one with reality lego as Iceman is one with water - she can make and animate "reality Wandas" in the same manner that he can make Icemen. Kick down her sandcastle and she can likely just build a new one.

They seemed to want to make her akin to a modern Jaspers except not evil. And Jaspers would beat this JLA.

Good points...as always..X... the sand castle analogy is quite appropriate...she and Hawkeye are returning so we'll just have to wait and see how they're going to fix the witch...she probably depowered herself....

Wish I had Lego powers...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wanda made Hawkeye in HoM. She made the walking plot device that is Layla Miller. She made Layla Miller perchance to meet Hawkeye and the human resistance and give them their memories of the reality that existed before she remade it to suit her. She didn't lose in HoM she engineered her own defeat. And even then she wasn't really defeated.

One can easily extrapolate that she's as much one with reality lego as Iceman is one with water - she can make and animate "reality Wandas" in the same manner that he can make Icemen. Kick down her sandcastle and she can likely just build a new one.

They seemed to want to make her akin to a modern Jaspers except not evil. And Jaspers would beat this JLA. i agree, but i was thinking that flash would be able to speedblitz wanda before she would have time to think..... but who knows how long the would last

Flash beats the shit out of wanda in 0,00000000000000000001 sec

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Flash beats the shit out of wanda in 0,00000000000000000001 sec yeah, wanda is powerful, but she has to think before she uses her powers, and though that dosent take long, the flash could have hit her hundreds of times before she could get a thought out, and then she's out of the battle via KO

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, wanda is powerful, but she has to think before she uses her powers, and though that dosent take long, the flash could have hit her hundreds of times before she could get a thought out, and then she's out of the battle via KO
no you are wrong not hundredrs of time but millions of times

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
no you are wrong not hundredrs of time but millions of times true, and after then wanda would definatley be KO'd which counts as a victory, then the JLA just has to deal with Amazo

Umm...assuming Wandas durability isn't all that and a packet of chips...Amazo can still grab Wanda at the beginning of the fight...and play keep away until she has enough time to manifest a thought...which means bye bye JLA...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Umm...assuming Wandas durability isn't all that and a packet of chips...Amazo can still grab Wanda at the beginning of the fight...and play keep away until she has enough time to manifest a thought...which means bye bye JLA... but say orion uses motherbox to beat amazo right from the get go, while flash speedblitzes wanda

Originally posted by galan7777777
but say orion uses motherbox to beat amazo right from the get go, while flash speedblitzes wanda

Can the JLA KO an Amazo with all their abilities in less then 0.01seconds?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Can the JLA KO an Amazo with all their abilities in less then 0.01seconds? thats where the real debate is, because amazo has flashes speed, but dosent possess the speed formula.....all he needs to do is say the formula, and time stops around him, and though this may not affect wanda because of her reality powers, wally could still KO her very quickly

JLA takes this easily. Flash > an arrow to the back.

Originally posted by galan7777777
thats where the real debate is, because amazo has flashes speed, but dosent possess the speed formula.....all he needs to do is say the formula, and time stops around him, and though this may not affect wanda because of her reality powers, wally could still KO her very quickly

Well then...can an Amazo with the Flashes speed + The rest of his absorbed abilities(He has duplicated the powers of a GL ring)...KO Flash before he is able to recite the Speed Formula and grab Wanda similtaneously or after that...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well then...can an Amazo with the Flashes speed + The rest of his absorbed abilities(He has duplicated the powers of a GL ring)...KO Flash before he is able to recite the Speed Formula and grab Wanda after that... no flash is much faster then a GL ring, because GL rings work on the principle of thought and will power, and the speed of thought probably couldnt catch the flash.... heres something you always hear people talking about in reference to the flash but no one ever shows any scans of it, this is flash saving the entire population from a nuclear explosion by carrying 1-2 people (532,000 people to be exact) at once sending them 35 miles in and out away from the city (70 miles together) in 0.0001 seconds:

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg028eh.jpg

If you think about it, all Amazo has to do, is create a protective force field around the two of them, long enough for Wanda to work. He doesn't even need to distract them, just keep Flash and the rest away.

Also, from what I've seen, Wanda doesn't need conscious thought to use her power, it seems to respond more to her wants at the moment. So if she goes into the fight aware and wanting to win, then as soon as the bell rings her power will activate, whether she has time to think about it or not(but I could be wrong about that part).

Originally posted by galan7777777
no flash is much faster then a GL ring, because GL rings work on the principle of thought and will power, and the speed of thought probably couldnt catch the flash.... heres something you always hear people talking about in reference to the flash but no one ever shows any scans of it, this is flash saving the entire population from a nuclear explosion by carrying 1-2 people (532,000 people to be exact) at once sending them 35 miles in and out away from the city (70 miles together) in 0.0001 seconds:

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg028eh.jpg

I know that..but Amazo has Flashes powers meaning their thought processing is the same...which means Amazo's powers work at the Flashes speed of thought....also doesn't he have MM's telepathy too...Flash Reflexes + Telepathy = deadly combo...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I know that..but Amazo has Flashes powers meaning their thought processing is the same...which means Amazo's powers work at the Flashes speed of thought....also doesn't he have MM's telepathy too...Flash Reflexes + Telepathy = deadly combo... agreed, but telepathy would be of no concern if time itself was stopped

Originally posted by galan7777777
agreed, but telepathy would be of no concern if time itself was stopped

But he has to recite the formula to make time stop...and since their thought processing is the same...it comes down to...

Which is quicker...

Person who mindrapes via telepathy...or Person who recites words.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But he has to recite the formula to make time stop...and since their thought processing is the same...it comes down to...

Which is quicker...

Human who mindrapes via telepathy...or Person who recites words. id say flash, he simply has more experience with speed, and though Amazo has his abilities, he isnt directly hardwired to the speed force

Originally posted by darthgoober
If you think about it, all Amazo has to do, is create a protective force field around the two of them, long enough for Wanda to work. He doesn't even need to distract them, just keep Flash and the rest away.

Also, from what I've seen, Wanda doesn't need conscious thought to use her power, it seems to respond more to her wants at the moment. So if she goes into the fight aware and wanting to win, then as soon as the bell rings her power will activate, whether she has time to think about it or not(but I could be wrong about that part). im basing my oppinion on the fact that wanda has to consiously think/say "no more mutants" before anything happened, so her powers must be based on thought in some way

Originally posted by galan7777777
im basing my oppinion on the fact that wanda has to consiously think/say "no more mutants" before anything happened, so her powers must be based on thought in some way
I think that was just for dramatic effect for the readers. If it relied on conscious thought, she wouldn't have been unaware of her involvement in Disassembled, and she wouldn't have been able to come back from the dead after the first arrow.

Originally posted by galan7777777
id say flash, he simply has more experience with speed, and though Amazo has his abilities, he isnt directly hardwired to the speed force

But Amazo has shown the ability to duplicate Flashs powers and has used Flashs powers on more then one occasion...

Meaning if Person A and B were identical...in thought processing...

Person A Uses telepathy which works at the speed of thought
Person B Is told to recite a formula

Which logically should take longer?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But Amazo has shown the ability to duplicate Flashs powers and has used Flashs powers on more then one occasion...

Meaning if Person A and B were identical...in thought processing...

Person A Uses telepathy which works at the speed of thought
Person B Is told to recite a formula

Which logically should take longer? but can falsh recite the formula before amazo had to consiously think about making flash a vegtable? thats debatable, but remember orion has the mother box which would be more then enough to sway amazo's attention from flash

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think that was just for dramatic effect for the readers. If it relied on conscious thought, she wouldn't have been unaware of her involvement in Disassembled, and she wouldn't have been able to come back from the dead after the first arrow. ok i see what your saying, but does she have any showings that her abilities dont work at the speed of thought, and they just happen?

Originally posted by galan7777777
but can falsh recite the formula before amazo had to consiously think about making flash a vegtable? thats debatable, but remember orion has the mother box which would be more then enough to sway amazo's attention from flash

Not really, Flash has to also conciously think to recite the formula...and their thought processing is the same...since Amazo has Flashes powers...

Do you consider Orions reflexes on par with the Flash?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not really, Flash has to also conciously think to recite the formula...and their thought processing is the same...since Amazo has Flashes powers...

Do you consider Orions reflexes on par with the Flash? this is what im saying, if amazo had to think about avoiding orion, or hal's attacks, then he wouldnt be able to take control of flash before he recited the formula

Originally posted by galan7777777
this is what im saying, if amazo had to think about avoiding orion, or hal's attacks, then he wouldnt be able to take control of flash before he recited the formula

But why would the rest of the leaguers even be a factor at that moment in time?
At that moment in time...the rest of the leaguers wouldn't even have reacted...

It'd be Amazo with TP and Flash's Speed and reflexes vs Flash...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But why would the rest of the leaguers even be a factor at that moment in time?
At that moment in time...the rest of the leaguers wouldn't even have reacted...

It'd be Amazo with TP and Flash's Speed and reflexes vs Flash... the leaguers wouldnt be a factor, but motherbox would.... and i dont see amazo being able to beat flash to the punch where thought is concerned especially when motherbox is a factor

Originally posted by galan7777777
the leaguers wouldnt be a factor, but motherbox would.... and i dont see amazo being able to beat flash to the punch where thought is concerned especially when motherbox is a factor

The motherbox has to be activated and it's activated by a person who's reflexes are slower then the Flashes...

Who wins?

A Flash with telepathy vs A Flash

The way I see it going is....

Bell rings

Amazo takes out Flash immediately....and duplicates Wandas powers...then with another thought...the JLA are eliminated...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The motherbox has to be activated and it's activated by a person who's reflexes are slower then the Flashes...

Who wins?

A Flash with telepathy vs A Flash

The way I see it going is....

Bell rings

Amazo takes out Flash immediately....and duplicates Wandas powers...then with another thought...the JLA are eliminated... again amazo only has the base of wally's powers, wally is directly hard-wired to the speed force (amazo is not), hence he is capable of nearly instantaneous speeds and thought

Originally posted by galan7777777
again amazo only has the base of wally's powers, wally is directly hard-wired to the speed force (amazo is not), hence he is capable of nearly instantaneous speeds and thought

Didn't Amazo duplicate the Flashes speed so their powers are identical? If he can use the Flashes powers then he has duplicated his own kind of Speed Force as well..

I don't recall a moment but has it been stated that Amazo's duplicate powers are weaker then the original?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Didn't Amazo duplicate the Flashes speed so their powers are identical? If he can use the Flashes powers then he has duplicated his own kind of speed force as well.. im not saying that amazo wouldnt have a link to the speed force, but wally is hard wired to it, and can manipulate it in almost any way he wants..... amazo has never demonstarted speed anywhere close to what flash is capable of

Originally posted by galan7777777
im not saying that amazo wouldnt have a link to the speed force, but wally is hard wired to it, and can manipulate it in almost any way he wants..... amazo has never demonstarted speed anywhere close to what flash is capable of

But for all purposes of this thread you said Amazo has all his absorption abilties which I'm assuming meant he has all the powers he has ever absorbed...which means he has Flashes abilities...and since he is able to duplicate powers so that they are identical...his reflexes are identical to the Flashes...manipulating the speed force has nothing to do with it...because Flash has to think to do that...niether does experience because again the flash has to think to do anything...their thought processing is identical...

What happens is they both think...and telepathy happens...before Flash can finish reciting the Speed Formula..

Amazo should be able to take out the Flash via telepathy...considering that their thought processing is the same...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But for all purposes of this thread you said Amazo has all his absorption abilties which I'm assuming meant he has all the powers he has ever absorbed...which means he has Flashes abilities...and since he is able to duplicate powers so that they are identical...his reflexes are identical to the Flashes...manipulating the speed force has nothing to do with it...because Flash has to think to do that...niether does experience because again the flash has to think to do anything...their thought processing is identical...

What happens is they both think...and telepathy happens...before Flash can finish reciting the Speed Formula..

Amazo should be able to take out the Flash via telepathy...considering that their thought processing is the same... yes but as i said can amazo consiously think about having to take control of flash or wipe his mind before flash finishes the SF? thats debatable

Originally posted by galan7777777
yes but as i said can amazo consiously think about having to take control of flash or wip his mind before flash finishes the SF? thats debatable

Flash has to recite the Speed Formula? Am I right? Meaning he has to physically open and close his mouth while projecting his voice + he has to visualise the fourth dimensional construct(Which requires many thoughts and actions)... all TP requires is a thought.

Same thought processing for both of them...less actions for Amazo...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Flash has to recite the Speed Formula? Am I right? Meaning he has to physically open and close his mouth while projecting his voice + he has to visualise the fourth dimensional construct(Which requires many thoughts and actions)... all TP requires is a thought.

Same thought processing for both of them...less actions for Amazo... flash is used to reciting the SF, amazo isnt used to controling telepathy to its fullest....... flash could recite the SF in 0.00000001 of a second if he needed to

Originally posted by galan7777777
flash is used to reciting the SF, amazo isnt used to controling telepathy to its fullest....... flash could recite the SF in 0.00000001 of a second if he needed to

Again how quick he can recite it doesn't matter...both are fighting to the best of their ability...their thought processing is the same...a basic telepathic feat like a simple mind fry is enough to put Flash down....Amazo doesn't need to do anything complicated...

The point being it takes a little bit longer for the Flash to complete the Speed Ritual because that action requires many thoughts while it takes Amazo one thought to simply mind fry him via telepathy....Flash has to think and speak...Amazo has to think...(And they both have the same reflexes)

Since their reflexes are the same...it's like comparing a Flash with telepathy vs a Flash

Think of it this way....

Which can Flash do quicker..

Think vs Think + Speak

Originally posted by galan7777777
im basing my oppinion on the fact that wanda has to consiously think/say "no more mutants" before anything happened, so her powers must be based on thought in some way

You know I hate when people comment on characters without knowing about them.

Wanda does NOT have to say ANYTHING, in order to change Reality.

You see her talking?

Cause I don't.....

Wanda is Blowing up the Universe in her face, because she wants to, period.


http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg


Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg

And like I said BEFORE.

Why the next time around when Wanda was AWARE, was Hawkeye UNABLE to hit her with another Arrow he shot after the first?

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6125/w8gg5.th.jpg

THIS time...Wanda KNEW it was coming, observe the difference now folks

Wanda breaks Hawkeye up into little blocks.....Arrow?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9418/w9cn5.th.jpg


Wanda is invulnerable is she's coming to fight.


Now if the Thread was,

HOM Wanda UNAWARE till she gets hit by Flash & Amazo vs This JLA

The other team has a chance.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And like I said BEFORE.

Why the next time around when Wanda was AWARE, was Hawkeye UNABLE to hit her with another Arrow he shot after the first?

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6125/w8gg5.th.jpg

THIS time...Wanda KNEW it was coming, observe the difference now folks

Wanda breaks Hawkeye up into little blocks.....Arrow?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9418/w9cn5.th.jpg


Wanda is invulnerable is she's coming to fight.


Now if the Thread was,

HOM Wanda UNAWARE till she gets hit by Flash & Amazo vs This JLA

The other team has a chance. i understand what you are saying, and i never said wanda had to say anything for it to happen, but she does have to think for it to happen..... flash saved the entire population of a city from a nuclear explosion by carrying 1-2 people (532,000 people to be exact) at once sending them 35 miles in and out away from the city (70 miles together) in 0.0001 seconds:

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg028eh.jpg

flash transported that many people 70 miles round trip in one tenthousandth of a second....... do you think wanda's mind could even process "kill" in that time? now think about how quickly the flash would be able to hit her if she was his only target, we are talking millionths if not billionths of a second, there is no way wanda could think of anything to happen before she was hit by the flash running 1000's of times the speed of light (or more)...... and that is how i based my oppinion

Originally posted by galan7777777
i understand what you are saying, and i never said wanda had to say anything for it to happen, but she does have to think for it to happen..... flash saved the entire population of a city from a nuclear explosion by carrying 1-2 people (532,000 people to be exact) at once sending them 35 miles in and out away from the city (70 miles together) in 0.0001 seconds:

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla89pg028eh.jpg

flash transported that many people 70 miles round trip in one tenthousandth of a second....... do you think wanda's mind could even process "kill" in that time? now think about how quickly the flash would be able to hit her if she was his only target, we are talking millionths if not billionths of a second, there is no way wanda could think of anything to happen before she was hit by the flash running 1000's of times the speed of light (or more)...... and that is how i based my oppinion

You're still basing your opinion on the fact that Amazo will stand still and let Flash kill Wanda...Amazo with his Flash powers and reflexes and the rest of the JLA's powers including Supes, MM, WW, GL etc takes Flash out with Telepathy.... their reflexes are the same...but telepathy is much quicker then physically speaking(Speed formula)...

In this same length of time he then copies Wanda's powers and ends this match...

So my point is ignoring Wandas durability feats and reaction feats...Flash still gets taken out by Amazo....who copies Wandas powers with his uber reflexes...and ends this match with another thought...

3 Flash thoughts...is all Amazo needs...

1. Take out Flash via Telepathy(Amazo and Flash have the same reflexes)
2.Copy Wanda's powers
3.End of Match...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You're still basing your opinion on the fact that Amazo will stand still and let Flash kill Wanda...Amazo with his Flash powers and reflexes and the rest of the JLA's powers including Supes, MM, WW, GL etc takes Flash out with Telepathy.... their reflexes are the same...but telepathy is much quicker then physically speaking(Speed formula)...

In this same length of time he then copies Wanda's powers and ends this match...

So my point is ignoring Wandas durability feats and reaction feats...Flash still gets taken out by Amazo....who copies Wandas powers with his uber reflexes...and ends this match with another thought...

3 Flash thoughts...is all Amazo needs...

1. Take out Flash via Telepathy(Amazo and Flash have the same reflexes)
2.Copy Wanda's powers
3.End of Match... actually the post i made had nothing to do with Amazo, i was just stating that i didnt feel that wanda would be able to react fast enough to wipe out the flash before he KO'd her

Originally posted by galan7777777
actually the post i made had nothing to do with Amazo, i was just stating that i didnt feel that wanda would be able to react fast enough to wipe out the flash before he KO'd her

I'm wondering,

How does Flash hurt Wanda again?


UNIVERSES blowing up her face and nothing happens to her.


HOW does Flash KO that?


Don't bring up the stupid Hawkeye moment, Wanda was distracted by Dr Strange, while maintaining a Reality Outside her home, and creating a Reality Inside her home, where she goes through 4 pages of emotional Drama with Quicksilver her brother.

THEN...

Hawkeye sneaks up from behind and shoots an arrow in her heart. ONE panel later and everything IS as WAS...like it never happened.

Originally posted by galan7777777
actually the post i made had nothing to do with Amazo, i was just stating that i didnt feel that wanda would be able to react fast enough to wipe out the flash before he KO'd her

Fair enough...

Wanda takes this alone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm wondering,

How does Flash hurt Wanda again?


UNIVERSES blowing up her face and nothing happens to her.


HOW does Flash KO that?


Don't bring up the stupid Hawkeye moment, Wanda was distracted by Dr Strange, while maintaining a Reality Outside her home, and creating a Reality Inside her home, where she goes through 4 pages of emotional Drama with Quicksilver her brother.

THEN...

Hawkeye sneaks up from behind and shoots an arrow in her heart. ONE panel later and everything IS as WAS...like it never happened. even though she was distracted by strange it shows that wanda does have the ability to be KO'd, and i just cant accept that if she was punched in the face by flash running 1000's of times the speed of light (or more), that she would not be KO'd, even if its only for an instant forum rules state a KO=a victory....... im not trying to argue, but it just dosent logically make any sense to me

Originally posted by galan7777777
even though she was distracted by strange it shows that wanda does have the ability to be KO'd, and i just cant accept that if she was punched in the face by flash running 1000's of times the speed of light (or more), that she would not be KO'd, even if its only for an instant forum rules state a KO=a victory....... im not trying to argue, but it just dosent logically make any sense to me



"if she was punched in the face by flash running 1000's of times the speed of light (or more), that she would not be KO'd"

Question,

do you really believe that Flash punching Wanda no matter how many times, equals to MORE than UNIVERSES Blowing up in Wanda's Face?

Wanda cannot be harmed, if she's ready,

just like she wasn't harmed the 12 Times or so the UNIVERSE BLEW Up in Her Face.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"if she was punched in the face by flash running 1000's of times the speed of light (or more), that she would not be KO'd"

Question,

do you really believe that Flash punching Wanda no matter how many times, equals to MORE than UNIVERSES Blowing up in Wanda's Face?

Wanda cannot be harmed, if she's ready,

just like she wasn't harmed the 12 Times or so the UNIVERSE BLEW Up in Her Face. no i dont think a punch from flash at that speed would be greater then a universal explosion, but honestly if flash was running at those speeds and hit wanda, what would really be left?

Originally posted by galan7777777
no i dont think a punch from flash at that speed would be greater then a universal explosion, but honestly if flash was running at those speeds and hit wanda, what would really be left?

But honestly,

Flash would be punching an indestructible object, while Wanda laughs in his face.

Then (with ALL the time in the world) turns him into a pack of greyhounds running around a track at the speed of light for ever,

for her kids's amusement.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But honestly,

Flash would be punching an indestructible object, while Wanda laughs in his face.

Then (with ALL the time in the world) turns him into a pack of greyhounds running around a track at the speed of light for ever,

for her kids's amusement. but, would she not basically be decsintegrated by the flash at those speeds? granted she could reform and come back, but then flash hits her again, then again, etc......... like i said im not trying to argue, but it dosent make sense to me how wanda could really beat the flash before she was hit

Originally posted by galan7777777
but, would she not basically be decsintegrated by the flash at those speeds? granted she could reform and come back, but then flash hits her again, then again, etc......... like i said im not trying to argue, but it dosent make sense to me how wanda could really beat the flash before she was hit

You don't want to argue?


HOW many times am I going to tell you,

Wanda had more than 10 Universes blow up in her face

and nothing happened to her...NOTHING, she's smiling in the heart of such explosions.

She is invulnerable, indestructible, untouchable, if she's ready.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You don't want to argue?


HOW many times am I going to tell you,

Wanda had more than 10 Universes blow up in her face

and nothing happened to her...NOTHING, she's smiling in the heart of such explosions.

She is invulnerable, indestructible, untouchable, if she's ready. no im not trying to argue, you should know by now that i always try to keep my arguments civil, as do you........ i guess what im really wondering is how could wanda put up any defenses before she was hit? her reaction time wouldnt be fast enough. yes she did survive the universes exploding in her face but that was her own power, she controlled it to the fullest.... could she not have been protecting herself from it?

Originally posted by galan7777777
i guess what im really wondering is how could wanda put up any defenses before she was hit? her reaction time wouldnt be fast enough.

Thats what has yall confused, this reaction time nonsense.

If the Universal explosions CAN'T scratch her, Flash CAN'T either.


Originally posted by galan7777777
yes she did survive the universes exploding in her face but that was her own power, she controlled it to the fullest.... could she not have been protecting herself from it?


All I see is the Universe blowing up in her Face,

do you see something else?


http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg


Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thats what has yall confused, this reaction time nonsense.

If the Universal explosions CAN'T scratch her, Flash CAN'T either.





All I see is the Universe blowing up in her Face,

do you see something else?


http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg


Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg just because her own power couldnt harm her dosent mean that the flash couldnt harm her before she could defend herself...... and again even though she was distracted by strange, it still proves that she can be KO'd when she dosent have time to mount a defense, and that she isnt invulnerable

Originally posted by galan7777777
just because her own power couldnt harm her dosent mean that the flash couldnt harm her before she could defend herself......

What the hell are you talking about?

That's the Universe BLOWING UP, NOT her power.

Her power is blowing the Universe up,

but the Universe is still exploding in her Face.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and again even though she was distracted by strange, it still proves that she can be KO'd when she dosent have time to mount a defense,

The Thread is HOM Wanda and Amazo vs This JLA.


It is NOT DISTRACTED HOM Wanda and Amazo vs This JLA.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and that she isnt invulnerable

bangin

Originally posted by Mr Master
What the hell are you talking about?

That's the Universe BLOWING UP, NOT her power.

Her power is blowing the Universe up,

but the Universe is still exploding in her Face.




The Thread is HOM Wanda and Amazo vs This JLA.


It is NOT DISTRACTED HOM Wanda and Amazo vs This JLA.




bangin so u still maintain that she is totally invulnerable even though she has momentarily been killed on pannel? well thats cool, we both have our own oppinions, but i was just curious about my previous question, thanx for answering smokingcowboy

Originally posted by galan7777777
so u still maintain that she is totally invulnerable even though she has momentarily been killed on pannel?

You must of missed this:



Dr Strange is trying to find out what happened to Xavier, while convincing Wanda to explain why is she allowing all the madness outside
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/351/w7wx1.th.jpg


Wanda is the one manipulating ALL of it of course
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/779/w6fc4.th.jpg


Wanda instead CREATES a Reality where she meets up with Quicksilver, so Strange can hear it straight from Quicksilver's mouth
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4139/w1vy3.th.jpg
While she is still in her room with her children (that she created) and Strange


This isn't surprising, Wanda (with total control of the UNIVERSE) can create copies of herself on a whim
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6157/w5uu5.th.jpg


This scenario involving Wanda and Quicksilver lasted 4 pages
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1251/w2jv3.th.jpg


Wanda becomes very emotional
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4700/w3rp1.th.jpg


This is when Hawkeye sneaks up on her
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9733/w4dn4.th.jpg


While she's controlling Reality Outside, CREATING a Reality INSIDE and on top of that, she just went through FOUR pages of emotional turmoil with her brother, Hawkeye caught her unaware.


But when Wanda was AWARE:

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6125/w8gg5.th.jpg
THIS time...Wanda KNEW it was coming, observe the difference now folks


Wanda breaks Hawkeye up into little blocks...forget the arrow.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9418/w9cn5.th.jpg


Besides the FACT, that the 616 UNIVERSE blew up in her face more than 10 times,


Flash is NOT touching Wanda, Not now not ever.

And this....courtesy of Xmarksthespot


"Wanda made Hawkeye in HoM. She made the walking plot device that is Layla Miller.

She made Layla Miller perchance to meet Hawkeye and the human resistance and give them their memories of the reality that existed before she remade it to suit her.

She didn't lose in HoM she engineered her own defeat. And even then she wasn't really defeated."

Flash drops a multiverse on her domepiece.

Heres my two cents:

First off- If Wanda enters this fight knowing what she's up against, she takes this alone. Becuase, if she knows that, she'll expect to be speedblitzed. And, if she expects that, she won't be harmed. IF SHE IS READY, SHE WILL NOT BE HARMED. Thats why she can take a raw explosion, survive multiple Big Bangs, because she knew it was going to happen. Thats why Hawkeye KO'd her- because she didn't know she was going to be attacked. And forum rules state that a contestant enters any contest with limited knowledge of their opponents and their capabilities. Therefore, Wanda enters immortal.