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Ok I know a lot of people will say Jack left with nothing but the horizon and free life on his hands by the end of movie 2

Well IMO..No he didn't..and the reason why I say this is because of the way movie 1 ended with him and the way movie 2 actually started with him

I think from the offset of this series they always had the Jack/Liz partnership on their minds...the original draft script for movie 1 is a whole lot more Jack/Liz orientated than the movie we see..and even the deleted scenes in that movie all suggest how close these two might get if they were ever given the chance to. "peas in a pod darling"..Its like movie 1 was supposed to be the test to see how people would react to a Jack/Liz thing...because Jack was SUCH a risky character to add..they had to put in Will to balance it out and make it straight

..people loved Jack and alot of people loved the Jack/Liz scenes in the movie the most..they are the most memorable to me as well...even before i was a shipper lol

and what strikes me is the ENDING to movie 1 and how Jack/Liz orientated it actually is...

Now me being my film studies self, I actually look at some parts symbolically like the bird for example.

When Norington asks
"Elizabeth is this where your heart truly lies then?"

and she says
"It is"..

we get Norrington giving a hurt look and background music that suggests sadness..but then it cuts to Jack's reaction too and the this music remains..and all of a sudden we get a pang in the music..and why? because HE is looking sad and hurt too..its like a little emotional realisation pang in the music to make the people realize this emotion he just showed...its a tad late though to make it slightly less obvious in my opinion. This moment is very, very short but that doesn't make it insignificant. Why would he be looking like that if he wasn't sad about something?..Its obviously to what she just said..and its kinda obvious because we just saw Norrington look exactly the same way...they actually repeat this in movie 2 when Liz kissed Will on the beach..although this time Jack shows jealousy..which is what I think Liz intended because she turns round and gives Jack a little smirk as soon as Will kisses her.

anyway movie 1:

When Elizabeth says "it is"(where her "heart lies" notice Jack in the background)
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Norrington's reaction to what she says:
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And of course Jack's reaction to what she says (pretty much frame by frame cuz hes so damn hot):
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IMO when the bird appears its not Jack thinking..Ok I prefer being a free bird anyway..because what happens after this shows us whats really on his mind .IMO the bird tells him.."I know she's a free bird at heart" and then he gives her a look here after seeing the bird and thinking that. (all symbolic by the way..it has a double meaning IMO):

Just after he sees the bird/knows where her heart truly lies:
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He's then like...right then I'm off lol..he ONLY looked at her there before he left after spotting the bird..I think its very significant.but very small and easy to miss..GOD I wish they left all those Jack/Liz deleted scenes in..it would have made it so much clearer whats going on with Jack..

When he's back on the pearl he's singing the song he sang with Elizabeth earlier and smiling he then looks to his compass..smirks and snaps it shut. Yet this huge moment seems to slip the audiences minds a little bit..which I think was the idea but when you watch movie 2 and look at the scenes that were deleted in movie 1 it makea ALL the more sense..had they left in that scene where Elizabeth TAUGHT him that song..and the "peas in a bod scene"..people would have left thinking "OMG he has Elizabeth on his mind and its making him smile!"

Then in movie 2 what do we have? Straight off the bat Jack is thinking of Elizabeth and he must have been thinking about her for a long time because he's now getting vexed at what his compass is showing him..Which according to Ted Elliot (screenwriter) is Port Royal and then the antipode of port royal because by this time I think he is worried about having her in his life or not..because it would "limit his freedom" which IMO is a load of bull. How can he be truly free if he doesn't allow himself what he wants? He then says "why is the rum always gone?" Which is a call back to movie 1 where he was singing that song with Elizabeth

So IMO they have tied in the beginning of movie 2 with how movie 1 ended..so thats with Elizabeth on his mind and his compass telling him he wants her but heading in the opposite direction..and the song she taught him in his mind when they were on te beach with the rum..

yip, excellent!! I've never thought about that, but you're alsolutly right!!

And that he had Elisabeth on his mind is clear in both movies I find (just my impression), was my thought when his compass wasn't pointing in a clear direction at the beginning and his behaviour, too. He just tries to look like everything is fine, but he has changed.

Exactly.....he's sort of in denial.....

Originally posted by LovelyOne


And of course Jack's reaction to what she says (pretty much frame by frame cuz hes so damn hot):
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I never realized how SAD he looks.

LOL I know!! its really short but its really significant IMO

oh and BTW at the start of that post I mean left movie 1 with the horizon on his mind,,not movie 2

as in he didnt REALLY have the free life and horiszon on his mind..

he is so freakin ssexxi!!

I love these pics of Jack - he is soo damn sexy....what a beautiful man...and I've kind of said this before too - where movie one ends with him singing the song and you know he's thinking of Liz and the song and the island...and then in movie 2 he is all confused and vexed because of his mixed emotions about Liz....but I never put is as eloquently as you do LovelyOne...you are so much better at playing it out...this all makes perfect sense to us...but are Ted and Terry this deep - and if they are and if everything is true that we picked up on...it's gotta be a Jack/Liz ending, it's just gotta be...if it's an adult movie...now, if they are going to make it a kiddie movie then it would be Liz/Will...but I've seen many times where Terry/Ted, Jerry and Gore all say this is an adult movie with adult themes..thus the PG 13 rating...

lol yet over 1 million kids under 13 see it!

Hey lovethemtigers..thanks

I think that they had this whole partnership on their minds from the very beginning..the draft scrip origionally had so much more Jack/Liz emotional moments..but they coudlnt mke it too in your face because jack was a risk and they needed to see how the audience would react to him..and even a possible relationship wth the leading lady..so they they origionally threw in lots of suggestive scenes..but IMO if jack had the potential to be the selling point of the movie..and if they gave it to the audience with all those other Jack/Liz scenes..then they would have probably made the audience like that that aspect of the movie..and it would make their intended ending seem pretty weak

which makes me think..why have they just gone an added this whole amazing relationship in movie 2 and end it Will/Liz in movie 3..its going to dissapoint a LOT of people..LOL i mean even wiothout all the added scenes..even the reaction to the one on the island was enough for them to feel pressured into writing movie 2 about Jack/Liz and their possible relationship.

And Yes Jack does say "bring me that horizon" at the end..but then think..He sings the song...and what did we see earlier? Jack/Liz singing that song..plonking down on the beach..talking about freedom looking out at the horizon..Jack puts his arm around her.

lol Jack has been completly infatuated with Elizabeth, both mentally and physially since movie 1.

And during the peas in the pod scene..Jack actually says he admires what she did to him as in the betrayal...so Liz has totally made this man infatuaded with her even back then IMO..

So Jack being angry with Liz after this betrayal?? I dont think so..he's totally going to be in love with her.

r...and IMO this is going to hit Liz too..in that peas in a pod scene..when he showed her how much he liked that about her(betrayal)...she was completly caught up in his eyes..Then norrington comes along and she suddenly gets woken up and composes herself lol..which is similar to what happens with her and him on the pearl..

So true...that is very true about the Peas in a Pod scene....here is such a cute video of JackandLiz on youtube it made me smile and laugh..everyone must watch it..it's great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwmZhIs0hog

in the orginal script it says:

Jack stands at the wheel: he's got his ship back, and all
is right with the world. He begins to unconsciously hum:
"Yo, ho, yo, ho, a pirate's life for me ..."

He realizes what he's doing and smiles , the orchestra takes
over as the Black Pearl sails for uncharted waters




so he's def. thinking about elizabeth!


script:
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean.html

YES EXCATLY OMG THANKS!!

Also all you have to look at after that little realization/knowing( he's just had about Liz fits in well with what he next says..he suddenly goes from looking really sad..realizes that she is in fact a free bird like him..he was thinking over everything on the beach IMO there..realizing that she's basically a pirate like him..and the other scenes that were deleted explain that too..

he then perks up

"Well I', actually feeling rather good about all this. I think we've all arrived in a very special place, spiritually, ecumenically(think thats what he says there lol) dramatically.....then he goes up to Liz "Elizabeth it would have never worked between us darling"..I'm sorry but how FAKE did that sound and look?? he darn KNOWS that it would have especially after what he just realized in that scene about how pirate like she really is..he's just trying to make himself feel a bit better because he's "lost" her at the moment IMO..he's trying to make it sound like he doesnt need her..and it also explains that little look..he looked at her realizing that she is not really happy in that life and then quickly looked down in case people spotted his little emotional weakness just then lol

Originally posted by LovelyOne
YES EXCATLY OMG THANKS!!

Also all you have to look at after that little realization/knowing( he's just had about Liz fits in well with what he next says..he suddenly goes from looking really sad..realizes that she is in fact a free bird like him..he was thinking over everything on the beach IMO there..realizing that she's basically a pirate like him..and the other scenes that were deleted explain that too..

he then perks up

"Well I', actually feeling rather good about all this. I think we've all arrived in a very special place, spiritually, ecumenically(think thats what he says there lol) dramatically.....then he goes up to Liz "Elizabeth it would have never worked between us darling"..I'm sorry but how FAKE did that sound and look?? he darn KNOWS that it would have especially after what he just realized in that scene about how pirate like she really is..he's just trying to make himself feel a bit better because he's "lost" her at the moment IMO..he's trying to make it sound like he doesnt need her..and it also explains that little look..he looked at her realizing that she is not really happy in that life and then quickly looked down in case people spotted his little emotional weakness just then lol

yes it was totally fake, and he's saying all that spritiually stuff to convince himself or something, and if i'm right ecumenically means dealing with the church and since christianity was big back then he's like telling himself this is how its suppose to be...something like that idk

LOL yeah..the "marriage is right"..he;s trying to say lol..which IMO is BS in his mind...he knows she's a free bird at heart..


He realizes what he's doing and smiles , the orchestra takes
over as the Black Pearl sails for uncharted waters

So he's thinking of Liz? realizes it and smiles...looks at his compass and it points back to her..and he heads away into no set direction because it is pointing back at her?

I have learned at college how to spot things in the mise en' scene etc in movies..what means stuff in movies and what doesn't..how to spot the real symbolisms and how to not look too deeply for them..If its meant to be symbolic its something quite obvious..and if its symbolic it usually means the writers etc. don't want you to pick up on it until much, much later..when the story has come to a close and you then watch over it again..and at the end of movie 1 we kinda do..its obvious he's thinking of Elizabeth there..and when you look at what Just happened there with his little "realization" that she is in fact a pirate at heart..

which is why DMC is so jam packed with little hints and clues that point to what is really going on but they cant make it too obvious because its not the end of the story yet and from what I see its mostly Jack/Liz hints...later when movie 3 comes out..and if its a Jack/Liz ending..people will look over the 3 films and spot all the hints etc..and notice how it was telling them all along...or if it ends Will/Liz then..we will look back at the hints and think..Ok it was really pointing to Will

which I cant see happening because how will they explain away the fact that the compass pointed at Jack..2 times..I cant see how they could explain that away in movie 3 because there was no obvious hints that it could have pointed to William in movie 2...I know you would say the beach scene was one..but he appears about 1 hr after it pointed to Jack there after they had dug up the chest etc...and by that point what the compass just did is already LONG out of the audiences minds......and IMO thats pretty far fetched if they want us to believe that it was in fact pointing to Will there..I wouldn't buy that for a second..you don't ever see that happen in movies..well all the movies/symbolisms I've learned about..they dont trick you with symbolisms..what a symbollic messahge appears to show you on the surface ..shows you and there's no two ways about it from what I've learned

and even when people say it was pointing to the letters of marque the first time..why did she not take them from his coat where he put them whist she had him chained there if thats what she wanted most in this world?..secondly he wasnt wearing his coat the second time so it couldnt have pointed to him for that reson there either

and they say it first pointed there because it was telling her that he had betrayed Will..no way..how does it answer a question like that?

It just shows you what you want most in this world as in physical object..so she wanted jack to be a dishonest man most in this world as a physicall object??

sorry not buying that either..

anyhoo I'm off to bed..night x

sleep tight!
love all your ideas
your ideas have really made me want to study film!

ditto!!

ow LovelyOne you are so right about jack I always thought he looked sad at that scne but never noticed the bird thing you said...so great and I love the hole beach thing with liz/will kissing and jack getting all jealouse and uncomfortable but that's another reason I LOVE jack/liz relationship see how norrington feels all uncomfortable and looks down at the sand? whilst jack (who is also feeling almighty jealous) looks around and his gaze falls at the ground for a second but than faces their kiss by looking STRAIGHT at them and then he registers her little smirk and takes all the awkwardness out off the moment by asking :"how did YOU get here?"

wow this is so true I always knew jack looks sad in that scene but never noticed that bird thing you said... that was so brilliant! and I love the whole thing you said about the beach scene when liz/will kiss and i love how the camera actually gives us a moment to COMPARE norri and Jack's reaction and it's so amazing how norr being the noble and shy one looks down at his feet but jack's gaze goes all around and falls to the ground but it's like in a second he thinks to himself "I'm captain jack sparrow I don't handle a situation like THIS, savvy?" he looks straight at the just enough time to register liz's smirk which then he realizes what the kiss was FOR and takes the awkwardness out of the moment by askin" what are YOU doing here?" I just love that part

"and even when people say it was pointing to the letters of marque the first time..why did she not take them from his coat where he put them whist she had him chained there if thats what she wanted most in this world?..secondly he wasnt wearing his coat the second time so it couldnt have pointed to him for that reson there either"----LovelyOne

I think I brought up the significance of the compass in that scene (or lack thereof) in that scene. See, Liz already knows she's infatuated with Jack. If she wasn't, and she took out the compass and saw it pointing to him, she wouldn't have been worried. "They're pointing to the letters," or "He knows how to get me to Will" or "Well, he has the kind of life that I want." All those things are nothing to get worried over. But what does Liz assume? "Oh no! It shows I have feelings for him, which is true!" The compass's power in this scene doesn't really matter. She believed it to show Jack, indicating she is thinking of him.
I love what you showed us at the end of the first movie. I did notice Jack kind of poking his head up between Liz and Will and it made me wonder if he symbolically "came between" them somehow, but I never thought of his face showing sadness and then the business with the bird. I thought he was happy to see it because he knew it was Mr. Cotton's and he would live to fight another day, but it could easily have been a reminder that Liz is a freedom-loving gal just like he's a freedom-loving guy.
And yes, we all know what the very end means as he's singing that song..... He can't get her off his mind.

"So true...that is very true about the Peas in a Pod scene....here is such a cute video of JackandLiz on youtube it made me smile and laugh..everyone must watch it..it's great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwmZhIs0hog"


So true! This was a great vid!

oh, yes, pretty sweet, I love it!!


Look that one, I love it too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA_xG9n_s4k

Yes I agree with all of you

and Wilofthewisp..I totally agree with you on that compass thing. LOL!! you know what! I think it pointed to Jack because here Norrington called her smile into question and suddenly the whole thought of having feelings for Jack errupts in her mind..and I think thats the thing that clearly dominates all other thoughts because she WAS just totally smiten with him after that sexual suggestion..she didnt look at it to see if he put her on the dutchman..how can it answer a question like that? It cant and she knows it cant..she's actually asking herself if she DOES want Jack...when someone is in denial it actually makes the feelings for that person much larger because it means they are constantly on your mind..and the more you go into denial the more you start to become infatuated..which is probably why Jack is so far ahead of Elizabeth in this respect..he realized it pointed back at her in movie 1 and set off in the other direction..and he's been thinking about her since way back then and its totally taken him over by the time we get to movie 2

Everyone left thinking that Jack had not learned anything from the adventure..well thats BS because every character has to learn at least something..And Jack has left knowing hes found someone special..and i LOVE IT!..I mean Jack Sparrow the ladies man is totally smitten by a woman..even in movie 1!..that is a HUGE thing to end movie 1 on where we see how someone has actually got to Jack someone has penetrated past his shell of material objects..which explains the dog in movie 1..slowly being tempted by the bone when its only one person tempting him..but he leaves without it..he wants love but is not ready to take..which is what we see at the end of this movie and through out movie 2..


I wish they left those damn scenes in..it would have made it all the more clearer AND movie 2..

the man LOVES how she betrayed him like that..and this is why hes so frigin turned on at the end of movie 2 because shes done it before and he loves it about her..and I WISH they left that scene in I really do..

so Jack being angry in movie 3 because she betrayed him? BULL!

Check this out. It was on wikipedia.

"Jack considers himself a ladies' man, explaining that he has a, "tremendous intuitive sense of the female creature." However, he is seemingly unable to commit to a long-term relationship, although Elizabeth Swann seems to be the first woman Jack is unable to forget. Interestingly, in the novelization of the second film, Jack tells Elizabeth that he likes marriage because it is, "like a wager to see who will fall out of love first.""

Wonder why that line is in the novelization? Could that mean that the scene was longer and we saw a cut version? It's just such a funny way to describe marriage, even for Jack. It's almost as if he's daring her to marry him, which is kind of hot.

that is hot!!!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9314/potc1jz0.jpg

In this pick..as soon as she says "it is" (where her heart truly lies) notice how Wills face is totally not even in the shot..you would have thought if it was meant to look as if she had chosen will and it was an emotionally strong statement that these 2 were meant to be then then why is it only Jack and HER in the shot? Its as if its saying.."no it belongs with Jack..but she just doesn't know it yet...."

Also you would think that If movie 1 was about making Will realize his place in life..you would think that would be what he's most happy about..but no..he's actually helped Elizabeth realize how good it feels to be a free pirate too and she has completely made him infatuated..and THAT is what he smiles about..its like its saying.."yeah he helped Will..but hes learned something a whole lot more interesting by the end of it"

willofthewisp..I think they cut that line(if it was ever in the script) out because they made that scene more about "sex" more than anything else..Elizabeth only seems to be interested in sex and not her wedding day really..and if that line was there it would contradict the main theme..which is "Liz is gagging for sex" IMO

I also see that line as how Jack really views marriage..its pretty bleak..as in if you get married there will no longer be any excitement in the relationship and they will fall out of love

Good point, LovelyOne, but it is JACK that says it. I wish I knew where it fit into their conversation, but that could have been the thing to make her get up and be disgusted with him, like if it followed the suggestion that he could "perform a marriage right here, right now." Horny bastard.
But it kind of reveals a lot about his character, specifically that he sees marriage as a challenge rather than as an inconvenience. That's very interesting.

yes that is true.

He may have said that once she got up after the digusted look she gave him..because it was clearly about sex in that scene IMO..then he may have said something serious about marriage..

The way he says it "I could perform a marriage..right here..right on this deck..right...NOW!"..to me..the second I saw that i thought..OMG he's on about sex..but after that the convo turns a bit more about how theycould work together in the long run..so maybe thel line was right after he made that sexual suggestion and she got up.

and dont you think its so cute that he spotted her looking sad and wanted to comfort her because he cares about her and her happiness?..when does he EVER do that for anyone?.you wouldnt think Jack with his big ego would never risk letting people see he is caring about a womans feelings..but for Liz..he will

yeah that was totally sweet..I know this is off topic sorta but I read something that is supposed to be the script of the POTC3 trailer and I really didn't believe the 56 page script I read but this was really believeable it was on that threat "jack's dad-KIETH RICHARDS" or something like that and there was this shot when jack sorta had to be saved by barbossa and I'm so bummed right now cause iwould really suck if jack has to be saved from sinking in the sand by BARBOSSA liz would have been nice...even will would've done it..but barbossa? I mean in the said shot jack is all like "I don't want to be saved by the likes of you." and barbossa is like"and I don't want to be saving ya but i don't see any sea turtles coming to your rescue" still jack has to accept...
though it could be fake..I mean IMO the script was either a REAL early draft or completely fake but when you read this it maked TOO MUCH sense

yes, you're absolutly right... that's so cute!

...but have you seen when he sits down next to her he looks at her face...then she says she is soo ready to be married, his eyes go deeper on her like as if he's imagining how she would look like nacked and then he starts thinking to make her the "marriage propose"...or am I wrong?

first time I saw that shot I thought he was staring at her chest lol since that's where the camera pointed to but after seeing it a few more times I got that he's actually THINKING about what he's gonna say

or thinking of her naked both go the same I guess cause it's not actually marriage talk it's sex talk

I think she's thinking of sex in that "I'm so ready to be married" scene and he then responds to her thinking of it..like what we saw with the persuade me scene..

she was totally horny when when she said to him about being able to handle a sword...why did she feel the need to go up so close behind him and whisper in his ear and say the words so sexually?..LOL..

if she wasn't being sexually driven there she would have probably said it out loud and went in front of his face...and would have said it in a different tone but no she says it quietly in his ear so that no one can hear whats on her dirty little mind the hussy lol joking

and then Jack actually picks up on the fact that SHE is the one who is suggesting sex for once which is something she NEVER does, this time so he takes it to the next step..he is DEAD serious..and incrediby close and forward to her when he responds with "as I said..PERSUADE ME" .and this knocks her backwards..usually she has something feisty to say but she totally realized how serious he was. she walks off and we see that she's secretly smiling about the fact Jack has just stepped it up a notch..

hahaha yeah SOOOOOOO much tension in that scene. LOVE IT. they are hilarious together...

i love how Lizzie is ALWAYS trying to impress him. Like saying things like "Will taught me how to handle a sword" or how she acquired the letters through "persuasion" or flaunting her knowledge of "he did say something about a chest".... she's trying really hard to be "in the know" and have information that Jack wants--- she wants to prove to him that she can play the game as well as him, be as sneaky as him, as persuasive as him, etc. she's trying to live up to his standard. that's hott.

yeah I think so too she always wants to prove she's as good as him..why else would she even SHOW the letters to jack , she knew he wasn't gonna buy the whole thing and if she wanted it for will she should have kept it a secret until they found will but she wants to show that she got the leter herself and give jack a hance to appreciate her and accept beckts offer

I agree with you kate..

but I also just think the girl is just horny.plain as lmao...she was robbed of her "wedding night" in her own words and she was looking really forward to it and then she gets ripped away from dear ole Will..and along comes a tempting waffle..she can hardly resist..and whats more..its not just sex..feelings begin to develop..thats why the compass points there

I was so surprised that Disney implied that a sword was a "pecker"....and the fact that LIZ said it..she has spouted a sexuality all of a sudden..and its not because of Will lol..when do you ever see such a sexually confident woman in a Disney movie?

yeah its so true.... Liz is hott under the collar the whole film, and being completely CONTROLLED by her physical desires... ya know? its like she cant even think straight or make good decisions.... she's at the mercy of her emotions/physical needs.

I'm really, really into the whole scene in Tia's hut... it is just SO significant. its so telling of each character.

jack already has all the information... he's just snooping around stealing things and refusing to ask tia about the black spot or why his compass doesnt work... LOL... he is so proud! he hates asking for help. i like that. he's just so independent. and he hates to be lowered in front of his crew---- like when Gibbs and Pintel and Ragetti freak out about the black spot... you can tell he is really uncomfortable because he likes people to think he is like, immortal.... ya know? like nothing bad can really happen to him???

Will is just so interesting in this scene. when Tia says the line "what service may I do you?" she is directing that line at Will. AND Jack makes sure Will is sitting by Tia. I dont know... Tia just seems really INTO him, and Will seems really INTRIGUED by her... not saying anything is going on there (cause Will is still in love with Liz there) but Tia is pretty mesmerizing, ya know? Like when she touches them, she could be pulling something we dont know about.

AND the final scene... when they are all there... Will and Tia have another little moment. And why does Will suggest they go get Jack? that STILL bothers me--- he has NO IDEA Tia can bring people back... or does he???? thats what makes me think there may have been a deleted scene between Will and Tia, where he finds the voodoo doll or something. Or that Tia has given Will some sort of secret information. I dont know. It just seems totally random and out of character for Will to just all of a sudden think they might be able to bring people back from the dead.

Did Liz still have the compass at the end of 2??! Cause Jack had it when he was rowing away... but was it on him when he went down??? i never can tell. I wondered if maybe Liz pawned it during the kiss or something.

Originally posted by katelovespirate
yeah its so true.... Liz is hott under the collar the whole film, and being completely CONTROLLED by her physical desires... ya know? its like she cant even think straight or make good decisions.... she's at the mercy of her emotions/physical needs.

I'm really, really into the whole scene in Tia's hut... it is just SO significant. its so telling of each character.

jack already has all the information... he's just snooping around stealing things and refusing to ask tia about the black spot or why his compass doesnt work... LOL... he is so proud! he hates asking for help. i like that. he's just so independent. and he hates to be lowered in front of his crew---- like when Gibbs and Pintel and Ragetti freak out about the black spot... you can tell he is really uncomfortable because he likes people to think he is like, immortal.... ya know? like nothing bad can really happen to him???

Will is just so interesting in this scene. when Tia says the line "what service may I do you?" she is directing that line at Will. AND Jack makes sure Will is sitting by Tia. I dont know... Tia just seems really INTO him, and Will seems really INTRIGUED by her... not saying anything is going on there (cause Will is still in love with Liz there) but Tia is pretty mesmerizing, ya know? Like when she touches them, she could be pulling something we dont know about.

AND the final scene... when they are all there... Will and Tia have another little moment. And why does Will suggest they go get Jack? that STILL bothers me--- he has NO IDEA Tia can bring people back... or does he???? thats what makes me think there may have been a deleted scene between Will and Tia, where he finds the voodoo doll or something. Or that Tia has given Will some sort of secret information. I dont know. It just seems totally random and out of character for Will to just all of a sudden think they might be able to bring people back from the dead.

Did Liz still have the compass at the end of 2??! Cause Jack had it when he was rowing away... but was it on him when he went down??? i never can tell. I wondered if maybe Liz pawned it during the kiss or something.

i LOVE this theory kate!!

and i also have a feeling that the compass will also play a BIG part in movie 3...its too big to miss out. Maybe jack will confront liz about it?

We ALL know there is going to be a confrontation between the two in the 3rd film, and they will get eachother where it hurts most, but where it matters most also.

But this is why i LOVE the pairing! They feel attracted to the parts of eachother that they ultimately shouldnt.

They are almost complete polar opposites (shown in the curiosity scene) ..and yet they both want eachothers freedom.
And this is why it works so well for them, and the writers obviously know this...

T&T are clever little sausages, ill give them that!!!

In order for us to try not to interpret the ending, they need to encrypt everything...
but also, they want us to overthink things, because they want us all confuzzled and doubting our own theories...i bet they love it!

Hi, I'm so very new here and I just wanted to say that you guys have so wretched open my eyes to show me the wonderful possiblility of Jack and Elizabeth. I was dying because I knew all these crazy Will/Liz fans were right about a stupid fairytale ending with the Whelp and Lizzie, but then I stumbled apon this.

You guys have really helped me in realizing that Jack/Liz is POSSIBLE! And most likely to happen too. Thank God!

But there is something I'd like to share with you all. You know that part in Pirates of The Caribbean Curse of the Black Pearle, when Elizabeth and Will and Jack are on the ship and Barbosa is attacking them?

When Will got trapped in the cellar place, and Elizabeth and Jack were talking. He spun her around and they croutched down to talk. Then she tried to slap him and he refused and blocked her.

HE REFUSED TO LET HER SLAP HIM BECAUSE ALL THOSE OTHER GIRLS SLAPPED HIM, BUT HE DIDN'T WANT HER TO BE "ONE OF THOSE GIRLS".

She's his Lizzie, and he wouldn't let her become just another girl in his life.

Yay.......I'm so glad now.......that I got that out. It was burning me inside.

Hi, I'm so very new here and I just wanted to say that you guys have so wretched open my eyes to show me the wonderful possiblility of Jack and Elizabeth. I was dying because I knew all these crazy Will/Liz fans were right about a stupid fairytale ending with the Whelp and Lizzie, but then I stumbled apon this.

You guys have really helped me in realizing that Jack/Liz is POSSIBLE! And most likely to happen too. Thank God!

But there is something I'd like to share with you all. You know that part in Pirates of The Caribbean Curse of the Black Pearle, when Elizabeth and Will and Jack are on the ship and Barbosa is attacking them?

When Will got trapped in the cellar place, and Elizabeth and Jack were talking. He spun her around and they croutched down to talk. Then she tried to slap him and he refused and blocked her.

HE REFUSED TO LET HER SLAP HIM BECAUSE ALL THOSE OTHER GIRLS SLAPPED HIM, BUT HE DIDN'T WANT HER TO BE "ONE OF THOSE GIRLS".

She's his Lizzie, and he wouldn't let her become just another girl in his life.

Yay.......I'm so glad now.......that I got that out. It was burning me inside.