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okay...from the december solicits, Black Panther and Storm make their way to the united states, and we know they won't be on a pro-registration team. so they might form a new FF with Invisible Woman and Thing in a new title, while the old title will have Johnny and Reed with two other unkowns. That's my guess. However, I don't see BP wanting to leave Wakanda right now. Since Sue and Ben are going to be anti-administration, they probably would have to leave the country, where Wakanda would provide a safe haven. The new FF would be in Wakanda. Just speculation. i can't remember who quit the fantastic four with sue, it was either ben or johnny. if it was johnny, then switch his name for bens and vice versa. so how do you feel about that.

NEW FANTASTIC FOUR

black panther
storm
invisible woman
the thing

or

black panther
storm
invisible woman
human torch

what do y'all think?

Sue and Johnny are together. No matter what. So if SUe left then it was Johnny who went with her. Panther does have a history with the team seeing as how he first appeared in their book and wasn't he and Storm in the list Wizard had a while back.

Nice guess. I think you may be onto something

No

The day Storm joins the FF is the day I go to marvel and shoot Joe Queseda in the head

Originally posted by Grimm22
No

The day Storm joins the FF is the day I go to marvel and shoot Joe Queseda in the head

Then you better start polishing that gun 'o yours.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sue and Johnny are together. No matter what. So if SUe left then it was Johnny who went with her. Panther does have a history with the team seeing as how he first appeared in their book and wasn't he and Storm in the list Wizard had a while back.


yeah, they were on the list. also, storm and sue are suddenly best friends. in black panther 17, storm, shadowcat and sue were all out shopping together.. i am pretty sure they refered to it as "girls day out." also, storm has history with johnny as well, so it makes sense. also, now storm and black have a rivalry with doom. storm literally knocked him on his ass so i've heard.

Originally posted by grey fox
Then you better start polishing that gun 'o yours.

Oh I am sniper

But trust me, Storm is not joining the FF.

If there are going to be new FF members its going to be She-Hulk and somebody else. Trust me

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm literally knocked him on his ass so i've heard.

Which was crap

Storm couldnt hope to hurt Doom in a million years.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Which was crap

Storm couldnt hope to hurt Doom in a million years.

did you see it?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh I am sniper

But trust me, Storm is not joining the FF.

If there are going to be new FF members its going to be She-Hulk and somebody else. Trust me

do you have anything to back this statement up? because it doesn't make any sense. think of it this way, sue and johnny are both gone. that leaves ben and reed. if ben is still there then why do they need she-hulk? and if ben is gone, then they have to get three new members because they only have reed, so they shouldn't even call it the fantastic four anymore if that happens.

The whole Storm/FF bit introduced recently won't make it since the story itself was horrendously awful.

Originally posted by jumpmann
The whole Storm/FF bit introduced recently won't make it since the story itself was horrendously awful.

which story are you refering to?

The last/current BP one.

Originally posted by jumpmann
The last/current BP one.

the one where they got married? the story wasn't that bad

Originally posted by stormfront13
did you see it?

Yes, for some reason I continue to buy BP's book even though its awful.

Honestly, Hudlin has the writing skills of a Wolverine fanboy

I think it's gonna end up being Johnny and Sue staying together to form the new FF with either She-Hulk and Hawkeye or BP and Storm. Also, i think Ben's gonna go solo for a while, or maybe join one of the Avenger teams.

Originally posted by stormfront13
do you have anything to back this statement up? because it doesn't make any sense. think of it this way, sue and johnny are both gone. that leaves ben and reed. if ben is still there then why do they need she-hulk? and if ben is gone, then they have to get three new members because they only have reed, so they shouldn't even call it the fantastic four anymore if that happens.

First, Its apparent you dont know the FF.

Second, Ben is leaving also. The FF have dissembelled for now.

Also, in Wizard #175, Millar hinted that Shulkie and Hawkeye may join the team.

Honestly, as long as its a group of good characters who replace Ben and whoever im fine with it.

She-Hulk has to be one.

Hawkeye? I love the character, but I dont know if he is FF material

Hawkeye is anything material!

It'd be cool to see him on the FF.

I donno

yes...but later in wizard or some other magazine, it was stated that both new members of the FF would have super-powers. hawkeye doesn't, where as both storm and BP do. also at this point, storm and Black Panther make the most sense

Originally posted by stormfront13
yes...but later in wizard or some other magazine, it was stated that both new members of the FF would have super-powers. hawkeye doesn't, where as both storm and BP do. also at this point, storm and Black Panther make the most sense

Bah!

Storm joins then Hawkeye shoots her in the head

Then he joins! N'uff Said

Yo nice sig Grimm22!! I was gonna make and use one too. Hope you dont mind...

And Goliath fans suddenly appear.

I tell ya, sometimes death is the best thing that can happen to a character.

Here's a thought. Instead of two people joining up with Sue and her brother what if there are three new people to join with Reed? Think about, the FF are a public group. I think it would be safe to assume that whoevers on the team gonna be pro-reg. I can't see Reed leaving to say no more FF and I can't see Sue and her brother who are both on the run as of now deciding to break away from the secret avengers to start a new FF. I think we'll have Reed, She-Hulk and two others.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Here's a thought. Instead of two people joining up with Sue and her brother what if there are three new people to join with Reed? Think about, the FF are a public group. I think it would be safe to assume that whoevers on the team gonna be pro-reg. I can't see Reed leaving to say no more FF and I can't see Sue and her brother who are both on the run as of now deciding to break away from the secret avengers to start a new FF. I think we'll have Reed, She-Hulk and two others.

then why call it the Fantastic Four if there are going to be three new people?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
And Goliath fans suddenly appear.

I tell ya, sometimes death is the best thing that can happen to a character.

Nah, i've always liked Goliath

Im just sad he died because of some stupid Thor clone!

Originally posted by Genis101
Yo nice sig Grimm22!! I was gonna make and use one too. Hope you dont mind...

Oh course not. The more the merrier

I don't really like how goliath was brought back for just this

He wasnt brought back for just Civil War

He was brought back last year in Thing #1.

Oh course none of you jerks bought it so it got cancelled and yet Spidey still has 3 monthly books

Originally posted by Grimm22
He wasnt brought back for just Civil War

He was brought back last year in Thing #1.

Oh course none of you jerks bought it so it got cancelled and yet Spidey still has 3 monthly books

Why u like The Thing so much??

Originally posted by Grimm22
He wasnt brought back for just Civil War

He was brought back last year in Thing #1.

What a big difference.

I'll come out of the closet here, at home, i'm a hardcore FF fan if BP and Storm join the team....I will never buy another FF comic aslong as i live. Worst idea ever.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Why u like The Thing so much??

Why does DC like Namor so much?

Why does Batdude like Bats so much?

He's my favorite character thats why

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
I'll come out of the closet here, at home, i'm a hardcore FF fan if BP and Storm join the team....I will never buy another FF comic aslong as i live. Worst idea ever.

Yep

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yep

I may buy a few to see where it goes but the first sign on crap i drop the book and tell the store to cancel my subscription.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh course none of you jerks bought it so it got cancelled and yet Spidey still has 3 monthly books
If it makes you feel better, I almost considered buying one of his books once.

Why,

In the name of god,

Would Black Panther,

Leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world,

Join the Fantastic Four, one of the premiere superhero teams...

OF THE UNITED STATES?!

That's like Namor joining Russian superhero team, or Doctor Doom signing up for membership in Excalibur. No fricking sense at all.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why,

In the name of god,

Would Black Panther,

Leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world,

Join the Fantastic Four, one of the premiere superhero teams...

OF THE UNITED STATES?!

That's like Namor joining Russian superhero team, or Doctor Doom signing up for membership in Excalibur. No fricking sense at all.

and if sue and johnny take up residence in wakanda? also, Fantastic four isn't just a united states team, they haev gone on missions outside of the US. and both storm and BP are US citizens. also, why was everyone okay when someone like shulkie or crystal joined, but when these two join all hell raises?

Originally posted by Accel
If it makes you feel better, I almost considered buying one of his books once.
I considered finding the whole thing via scans but I just said screw it.

Originally posted by Validus
I considered finding the whole thing via scans but I just said screw it.

Ouch.........Didn't even want it if it was free huh?? Vally has no love for the blue eyed thing.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Vally has no love for the blue eyed thing.

does anyone?

I like the Thing

Originally posted by Grimm22
He wasn't brought back for just Civil War

He was brought back last year in Thing #1.

Oh course none of you jerks bought it so it got cancelled and yet Spidey still has 3 monthly books

hey now i got them all it was a good book shame it got canned

and thing was my fave character back when ff wasn't such a lame read

Originally posted by thundercracker
hey now i got them all it was a good book shame it got canned

and thing was my fave character back when ff wasn't such a lame read

Pick up Waid's run on the FF

Best work on the FF since Bryne

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why,

In the name of god,

Would Black Panther,

Leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world,

Join the Fantastic Four, one of the premiere superhero teams...

OF THE UNITED STATES?!

That's like Namor joining Russian superhero team, or Doctor Doom signing up for membership in Excalibur. No fricking sense at all.

EXACTLY!

Heck if anything Reggie Hudlin would just somehow trick Joe Queseda into turning the FF into his dream team...

Black Panther, Luke Cage, Brother Voodo and Storm fear

I swear if that ever happens I will kill Hudlin with my bare hands

Originally posted by Accel
If it makes you feel better, I almost considered buying one of his books once.

Just buy the TPB once it comes out.

Its only going to be like $10 and I gurrantee its some of the best writing i've ever read.

Especially the last issue.

Shame DiVito couldnt stay on for the entire run

Still though amazing book.

If you read this book and still dont like the Thing there's somthing wrong with you

Holy triple post, Batman!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Holy triple post, Batman!

Bah!

Batman is one to talk he makes Quadruple Posts!

Originally posted by stormfront13
and if sue and johnny take up residence in wakanda? also, Fantastic four isn't just a united states team, they haev gone on missions outside of the US. and both storm and BP are US citizens. also, why was everyone okay when someone like shulkie or crystal joined, but when these two join all hell raises?

A) Black Panther is not citizen of United States.

B) Fantastic Four are American superhero team. Their base is there, all of them have born there, and have been there all their lives.

C) And She-Hulk and Crystal have had a GOOD, logical reason to join FF. Unless Black Panther is suddenly kicked off from the throne, there is no freaking reason he would join Fantastic Four.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A) Black Panther is not citizen of United States.

B) Fantastic Four are American superhero team. Their base is there, all of them have born there, and have been there all their lives.

C) And She-Hulk and Crystal have had a GOOD, logical reason to join FF. Unless Black Panther is suddenly kicked off from the throne, there is no freaking reason he would join Fantastic Four.

Actually once when the team broke up after Reed died and Johnny was acting like a p***y and went off and started the Fantastic Force (what an awful 90's idea)

Sue went off and tried to find what happened to Reed since he was all she had to live for (Franklin was a Teen).

And Ben basicly said bah i'll keep the team going on my own and BP offered to join him, but Ben refused the offer

Originally posted by stormfront13
and if sue and johnny take up residence in wakanda? also, Fantastic four isn't just a united states team, they haev gone on missions outside of the US. and both storm and BP are US citizens. also, why was everyone okay when someone like shulkie or crystal joined, but when these two join all hell raises?

Ben had She-Hulk join the team to replace him while he was on Battleworld.

And Crystal was Johnny's Ex, and one of the Inhumans.

The FF has nearly no history with Storm, why the hell would she join?!?

Hell Marvel has been making a mess of her character by forcing this marrige to BP on her

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A) Black Panther is not citizen of United States.

yes, he has dual citizenship in both wakanda and the united states



they may be based in the unoted states, but they face threats all over the world. take doom for example, and galactus also. both of them are world-wide threats.



no reason? how about to protect wakanda? Wakanda doesn't have a superhero team, maybe they'll be based there. sue talked about moving there.




no hostory?? she has worked with the F4 multiple times, and knows all of them. besides she is great friends with both sue and johnny, as is the black panther.



yet she had no real history with the team before that

Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, he has dual citizenship in both wakanda and the united states

they may be based in the unoted states, but they face threats all over the world. take doom for example, and galactus also. both of them are world-wide threats.

no reason? how about to protect wakanda? Wakanda doesn't have a superhero team, maybe they'll be based there. sue talked about moving there.

no hostory?? she has worked with the F4 multiple times, and knows all of them. besides she is great friends with both sue and johnny, as is the black panther.

yet she had no real history with the team before that

BP only joined the avengers to spy on them

He's freinds with the FF he has no reason to join them.

Sue never said she would move to Wakanda.

Storm isnt joining the FF, Marvel has ruined her character get over it

Originally posted by Grimm22
BP only joined the avengers to spy on them

when did i mentionthe avengers



and what was crystals and medusa's reason? as well as spidermans breif stint



hm....maybe it was someone else...oh yes, it was luke cage



hm...what is with the attitude? i'm just stating what i think is going to happen, and some agree with it and some don't. you obviously don't and that's fine, but no reason to get rude or anything. i'm not the only one who thinks this. if you don't, then just say you don't and move on. this thread is for the people who think this also.

the black panther is a wakandan diplomat. that makes him a "citizen" in the least technical way possible. black panther is, in no way, an american. what possible reason would he have for joining the first american superhero team immediately after he just crowned his queen?

Originally posted by stormfront13
when did i mentionthe avengers



and what was crystals and medusa's reason? as well as spidermans breif stint



hm....maybe it was someone else...oh yes, it was luke cage



hm...what is with the attitude? i'm just stating what i think is going to happen, and some agree with it and some don't. you obviously don't and that's fine, but no reason to get rude or anything. i'm not the only one who thinks this. if you don't, then just say you don't and move on. this thread is for the people who think this also.

Crystal and Medusa joined the FF because they needed to members

How do you get Luke Cage mixed up with Sue?!?!

And im angry because I cant believe anyone would try to justify such a stupid idea

Originally posted by Disappear
the black panther is a wakandan diplomat. that makes him a "citizen" in the least technical way possible. black panther is, in no way, an american. what possible reason would he have for joining the first american superhero team immediately after he just crowned his queen?

Bah, they will be divorced by the end of 2009, I gurrantee it kwasny

Originally posted by Grimm22
Crystal and Medusa joined the FF because they needed to members

same as now...what's the difference?



it may be stupid to you...buyt many people on many boards actually like the idea. if you don't like the idea, then simply don't buy the book. easy as that. don't try and ruin it for others just because you don't like it. i personally don't like many books and ideas, but do you see me screaming around like a two year old?

Originally posted by Disappear
the black panther is a wakandan diplomat. that makes him a "citizen" in the least technical way possible. black panther is, in no way, an american. what possible reason would he have for joining the first american superhero team immediately after he just crowned his queen?

hey...both of them are american citizens...that's all that matters

My call :

Thor (real one returning from death)
Sue
Jonny
???????

Originally posted by stormfront13
hey...both of them are american citizens...that's all that matters

BP isnt an american citizen!

Originally posted by stormfront13
hey...both of them are american citizens...that's all that matters
Err, no. It's not all that matters.

I can't see a single good reason for a change like this, if it ever happens.

Originally posted by stormfront13


they may be based in the unoted states, but they face threats all over the world. take doom for example, and galactus also. both of them are world-wide threats.

Yeah, so does every other superhero team, like...Justice League of AMERICA.

Doesn't mean that they are still not AMERICAN superhero team.


Originally posted by stormfront13

no reason? how about to protect wakanda? Wakanda doesn't have a superhero team, maybe they'll be based there. sue talked about moving there.



Pfft, even more crazy idea. What would two superhumans change? Wakanda is one of the most technically advanced nations ever. They have defended their country for centuries without outside help. They have plans against Galactus and other threats. Wakanda is a proud nation more then capable of protecting itself with their technology.

Originally posted by Grimm22
BP isnt an american citizen!

yes...he is. he became one when he joined the avengers




if you don't like the idea, then don't read the book. I don't like namor or the thing, but you don't see me writing to marvel and complaining about how they are such stupid characters. i just don't buy their books and leave it at that



bad example...considering that the justice league has members from all over the universe. this basically just proves my point even more



yeah, this doesn't matter that much. yes, wakanda can take care of itself, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a home-based team


look, this debate is getting no where. we're debating wether or not this is a good idea, whoch is based 100% purley on opinion.

It saddens me how ANYONE would want to make this kind of change.

People like Stromfront are powering people like JMS!

Originally posted by Grimm22
It saddens me how ANYONE would want to make this kind of change.

People like Stromfront are powering people like JMS!

look, if you don't like the idea...then don't buy the book...simple as that

No, because the FF shouldnt be reduced to such crap.

Originally posted by Grimm22
No, because the FF shouldnt be reduced to such crap.

only crap in your opinion. go to multiple different boards, and many people love the idea

Originally posted by Grimm22
No, because the FF shouldnt be reduced to such crap.

Dude. Take it easy. Its only one suggestion, and one persons opinion. What are you getting so worked up for?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Dude. Take it easy. Its only one suggestion, and one persons opinion. What are you getting so worked up for?

i've been asking the same question

Regardless, whilei don't think thats gonna happen (Fantastic Four set up shop in Wakanda), I think it would be cool mini or one shot. Main reason I don't see BP and Storm with the Fantastic Four is that it would require Sue and Johhny to leave the country, something I don't see happening. She's made it quite clear she wants to fight and Johhny is sticking with her through it.

One thing that might work in the favor of your idea though is that I can't see the Fantastic Four (whoever they are) as rebels. Thats exactly what they would be if Sue and Johhny are on a USA based team. In Wakanda they are no criminals so there is no such constraint.

Maybe She-Hulk and Hawkeye might be the two to make it on the new FF with Reed and someone else. Unfortunately that only leaves one charter member from the original team unless Ben comes back (which probably wouldn't happen since they already have a strong person on the team). Most minds seem to think it'll Sue and Johhny with two new people, but unless those people are also anti-reg I don't see how it'll work. Maybe they'll throw in Luke Cage (he has ties to them) and a smart person (Spidey?).

Originally posted by marvelprince
Dude. Take it easy. Its only one suggestion, and one persons opinion. What are you getting so worked up for?

Erg it just bothers me, how Marvel keeps on destroying great teams and books to revamp them with more popular character

well both johnny and sue are anti-registration, and she-hulk is pro-registratiuon, so that might not work. also, in wizard magazine it was stated that that both of the TWO new members had powers. notice how it is only two? that means that it'll more than likely be sue and johnny revamping the fantastic four. anyway hawkeye doesn't have powers, unless he gets some kind of re-vamp. and prince, you bring up a good point, now both sue and johnny are criminals according to U.S. law, so they might re-locate, and the only safe place i can think of is wakanda

Bah, if Storm joins the FF the only reason I would buy an issue would be to burn it

Originally posted by Grimm22
Bah, if Storm joins the FF the only reason I would buy an issue would be to burn it

why is it so different from someone like crystal or medusa joining?

Because Storm dosent belong in the FF.

She has little to no history with the FF.

You may as well have Wolverine join the FF

Originally posted by Grimm22
Because Storm dosent belong in the FF.

because....?



and neither did she-hulk, spidey, crystal, and medusa

Originally posted by stormfront13
because....?



and neither did she-hulk, spidey, crystal, and medusa

Crystal and Medusa were freinds with the FF long before they joined

She-Hulk is fine because Ben said she could join.

And they needed big lifter on the team.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Crystal and Medusa were freinds with the FF long before they joined

same with bp and storm



so if sue and johnny say that bp and storm can join then it'd be okay?



not all teams need a big lifter, and bp does have super-strength

Originally posted by stormfront13
same with bp and storm



so if sue and johnny say that bp and storm can join then it'd be okay?



not all teams need a big lifter, and bp does have super-strength



BP in no way has super strength.

Originally posted by Grimm22


BP in no way has super strength.

actually he does, however limited it may be, he still does

Sure he does

The same way Cap has super strength

This is funny...

Well, what if you have Spider-Man and Luke Cage join? I am pretty sure they're both gonna be on the New Avengers, but out of any of the other anti-reg heroes I can think of at the moment they seem to fit the best. Both of them have legit ties with the team, Luke fits the role of strongman, Spider-Man can fill the scientist mold, You have get characterization with Peter and Johhny and even have Luke and Sue discuss how both of them have been separated from their kids and spouses because of this war. Just a thought

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well, what if you have Spider-Man and Luke Cage join? I am pretty sure they're both gonna be on the New Avengers, but out of any of the other anti-reg heroes I can think of at the moment they seem to fit the best. Both of them have legit ties with the team, Luke fits the role of strongman, Spider-Man can fill the scientist mold, You have get characterization with Peter and Johhny and even have Luke and Sue discuss how both of them have been separated from their kids and spouses because of this war. Just a thought

well...spidey wasn't on the list for new candidates

Black Panther would fill Mr Fantastic's role as the thinker pretty well, but Storm doesn't really fit a niche in a possible FF team.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Black Panther would fill Mr Fantastic's role as the thinker pretty well, but Storm doesn't really fit a niche in a possible FF team.


yeah, i was thinking the same thing. usually there's that special role for everyone.

thing=muscle
torch=elemental
reed=thinker
sue=power house

now, there's no role for storm. the closest thing i can think of is

sue=muscle
torch=elemental
storm=power-house
t'challa= thinker

im still doubting that it would be tchalla and storm..he's a head of a country and we've all seen how passionatley he feels about his nation and his ppl. to him the ends justify the means as long as his sovreignty, and the welfare of his ppl is secure..ergo i dont think he's gonna up and leave again. we all know that he joined the avengers to spy on them, but he's deep friends with most of the hero community now, well, except the xmen, sure he's married storm but the mutants usually kept to themselves...and the FF certainly wouldnt end up in wakanda cuz in wakanda, there is zero everything...Zero crime, poverty, disease, illteracy, and they have universal healthcare...its actually identical to latveria with the exception that t'challa doesnt keep his subjects as pets, and he doesnt oppress them...and with the climate of the US govt. and the SHRA he wouldnt want to have anything to do with american super hero teams any way

Bah, once BP breaks out of the curse he is under from Hudlin, he will just divorce Storm and get back to his baddass/pimp roots

Originally posted by stormfront13
well...spidey wasn't on the list for new candidates

I know. Wizard tends to be misleading at times. Besides, that was more of a thought than an actual guess at the roster

Originally posted by manjaro
im still doubting that it would be tchalla and storm..he's a head of a country and we've all seen how passionatley he feels about his nation and his ppl. to him the ends justify the means as long as his sovreignty, and the welfare of his ppl is secure..ergo i dont think he's gonna up and leave again. we all know that he joined the avengers to spy on them, but he's deep friends with most of the hero community now, well, except the xmen, sure he's married storm but the mutants usually kept to themselves...and the FF certainly wouldnt end up in wakanda cuz in wakanda, there is zero everything...Zero crime, poverty, disease, illteracy, and they have universal healthcare...its actually identical to latveria with the exception that t'challa doesnt keep his subjects as pets, and he doesnt oppress them...and with the climate of the US govt. and the SHRA he wouldnt want to have anything to do with american super hero teams any way

Exactly.

Having Black Panther and Storm join Fantastic Four doesn't just make sense. At all. There is no logical point to it unless Black Panther and Storm are just going to drop being leaders of their country. It's a fact, not opinion.