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Can the true blue eyes win it?











No powers..........Just regular human bodies.

Ben......he was in the military. Kent.......was..........well........a farmboy.

Ben finally wins something.

Ben wins.

It's Clobberin time!

Originally posted by Broly92
It's Clobberin time!

The Ever Lovin' Thing Ever Loves Him.

Grimm 10/10.

Wait till batdude123 come's in here.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
The Ever Lovin' Thing Ever Loves Him.

Grimm 10/10.
Nice try but still the saying is...Originally posted by Broly92
It's Clobberin time!

Ben definitely wins.

Why do people keep forgetting Clark actually knows martial arts?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why do people keep forgetting Clark actually knows martial arts? Indeed, he even went toe to toe with Lex, who's a top tier martial artist himself, and knocked him out.

So? he still loses to Ben

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why do people keep forgetting Clark actually knows martial arts?

Do a few ma showings trumph Ben's history??

Ben was a military man, and a bonafide boxing champion.

His history>> Clark's odd ma showing.

And Lex may have the occasional ma showing..........But he'd get his clock cleaned by a street.

Deny it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why do people keep forgetting Clark actually knows martial arts?

Woopdie freakin do

Clark has the martial arts skills of a 10 year old boy.

Ben has mastered numerous forms of combat and is a hell of a lot tougher than the farm boy

Ben 10/10

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Wait till batdude123 come's in here.

Forget about Batdude, just wait until Validius gets here

martial arts skills of a 10 year old? good lord, your horribly wrong. Have you seen the scans when he uses Kyrptonian martial arts? probally not. Plus he has the kwowledge and information of all the martial arts on Earth inside the Fortress of Solitude.

Supes 7/10

Originally posted by Jesse7
Supes 7/10
Grimm 6-8/10

Superman martial arts? I never saw him using this skills.
He alwys looks like a brawler to me than a skilled fighter.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
martial arts skills of a 10 year old? good lord, your horribly wrong. Have you seen the scans when he uses Kyrptonian martial arts? probally not. Plus he has the kwowledge and information of all the martial arts on Earth inside the Fortress of Solitude. How would he know those skills, when he's supposed to be a human here? Are we going to give him T-Vo too, because that's part of his kryptonian skills?

Also, how would Superman turn into a human?

Plus, Ben would win.

Originally posted by bigbran
How would he know those skills, when he's supposed to be a human here? Are we going to give him T-Vo too, because that's part of his kryptonian skills?

Also, how would Superman turn into a human?

Plus, Ben would win.

thats true, kryptonian martial arts wuold probably employ things that require a kryptonian body, seeing that it was made for kryptonians

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
thats true, kryptonian martial arts wuold probably employ things that require a kryptonian body, seeing that it was made for kryptonians
Not exactly think about Karate Kid and his many martial arts

Originally posted by UniOmni
Do a few ma showings trumph Ben's history??
And Lex may have the occasional ma showing..........But he'd get his clock cleaned by a street.

Deny it. Actually, Lex has defeated a decent amount of the street level heros in hand to hand. Granted, he's probably lost a few as well, similar to the Clark Kent showing.

Ben wins.

Originally posted by Validus
Ben wins. Probably, I don't know about 10/10 like some guys were saying though, but he's certainly got more showings for it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Probably, I don't know about 10/10 like some guys were saying though, but he's certainly got more showings for it.
Let's be real here. Nobody is taking Supes or Clark or Kal-El or whatever you want to call him 10/10.

Originally posted by Validus
Let's be real here. Nobody is taking Supes or Clark or Kal-El or whatever you want to call him 10/10.

Originally posted by bigbran
How would he know those skills, when he's supposed to be a human here? Are we going to give him T-Vo too, because that's part of his kryptonian skills?

Also, how would Superman turn into a human?

Plus, Ben would win.

How would he know these skills? you do know Superman is a super genius especially with his recent upgrade. Also why would making him a human make him forget everything he has learned? if you do that, you might as well do that to Ben as well.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
thats true, kryptonian martial arts wuold probably employ things that require a kryptonian body, seeing that it was made for kryptonians

Not really as Superman uses it on a villain who wasn't kryptonian. Also you do relaise when the Krytonians made this style they didnt have super powers like Kal-El on Earth. It's a style of fighting, it's not like muai tai can only be used by humans.

Originally posted by Validus
Let's be real here. Nobody is taking Supes or Clark or Kal-El or whatever you want to call him 10/10.

Exactally, their simply dismissing him.

Superman fought for a thousands years in DC Asgard... I think that trumps the experience of a two-bit boxer.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman fought for a thousands years in DC Asgard... I think that trumps the experience of a two-bit boxer.

And yet Batman would beat Thors ass in hth....................Interesting

Well, he's the goddamn Batman.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman fought for a thousands years in DC Asgard... I think that trumps the experience of a two-bit boxer.

Plus 100 years or so during the Gog Wars

Weren't the Gog Wars mostly fought by Doomsday? I know Supes had the Reed Richards style gray temples by the time he was captured.

Originally posted by King_Mungi



Not really as Superman uses it on a villain who wasn't kryptonian. Also you do relaise when the Krytonians made this style they didnt have super powers like Kal-El on Earth. It's a style of fighting, it's not like muai tai can only be used by humans.


Have you ever tried muai tai on an alien before? or a cyborg? i have, and it doesnt work.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Have you ever tried muai tai on an alien before? or a cyborg? i have, and it doesnt work. You probably weren't doing it right. It worked fine for me.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You probably weren't doing it right. It worked fine for me.

Are you serious?? When i tried its like my body was just passing thruogh him (with the alien) and in the cyborgs case, i fractured my spine trying to crush his chest with my thighs.

Originally posted by Validus
Weren't the Gog Wars mostly fought by Doomsday? I know Supes had the Reed Richards style gray temples by the time he was captured.

Both fought, Doomsday did better

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Have you ever tried muai tai on an alien before? or a cyborg? i have, and it doesnt work.

right...so punches wouldn't work on anyone then? or kicks which maui tai predominetly is? it's concussive force regardless.

Originally posted by King_Mungi




right...so punches wouldn't work on anyone then? or kicks which maui tai predominetly is? it's concussive force regardless.

Then you've obviously never been involved in terrestial combat.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You probably weren't doing it right. It worked fine for me.
Yeah. Tony Jaa could totally take down a Terminator.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Then you've obviously never been involved in terrestial combat.

So you going to tell me normal punches or kicks won't work on another species? Seriously? I hope to god your joking

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So you going to tell me normal punches or kicks won't work on another species? Seriously? I hope to god your joking


Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Have you ever tried muai tai on an alien before? or a cyborg? i have , and it doesnt work.



of course im jokeing. lol.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
of course im jokeing. lol.

From some of the comments lately on this board I wasn't sure.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Are you serious?? When i tried its like my body was just passing thruogh him (with the alien) and in the cyborgs case, i fractured my spine trying to crush his chest with my thighs.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7380826

do you think Ben Grimm can do cool shit like this?

I remember Batman taught Clark a couple of nerve pinches.

The thing is Supes MA showings are few and far between. Wheras ben consistently shows that he's a VERY good boxer and judoist . Plus any other MA's that he's learnt while i was ignoring F4 for other comics.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
From some of the comments lately on this board I wasn't sure.


hahaha
its okay

i understand

Originally posted by grey fox
The thing is Supes MA showings are few and far between. Wheras ben consistently shows that he's a VERY good boxer and judoist . Plus any other MA's that he's learnt while i was ignoring F4 for other comics.

Well said, Supes has rarely been portrayed this way where as ben has.

Just because Superman does a nerve punch or two once in a while hes a martial artist now?

Lex, a top martial artist? That was when? When he beat down Nigthwing because he was stronger and not more skilled? Bleh.

Batman and Bronze Tiger are martial artists, not freaking Clark Kent.

Ben was a boxer champion, he takes this one in the cake.

Ben has mastered boxing, wrestling, street fighting (does that count?), judo, grappaling, ect...

A couple of nerve pinches arent really going to work for the farmboy here.