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If there are some guys that know a lot about these 2 characters, I would like to know what you think.

Is this Ronnie Raymond?

Let's say

1. Original Firestorm, Ronny Raymond

2. Firestorm, Elemental

How do they do against Gladiator?

Firestorm turns Gladiator into a muffin.

yeah, couldn't he just transform gladiator into a raggedy ann doll or somrthing? I dunno if he can use those abilities on sentient beings...

He was able to do that stuff? Holy Crap!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Is this Ronnie Raymond? Doesn't matter with the Prof back.

Firestorm can't transmute organic matter but he could what he did in IC and whip up some anti matter.

Originally posted by Validus
Firestorm can't transmute organic matter but he could what he did in IC and whip up some anti matter.

If Captain Atom>Firestorm, then what chance does Firestorm have against somebody like Gladiator???!!!

Speedblitz and Firestorm is dead

Originally posted by batdude123
If Captain Atom>Firestorm, then what chance does Firestorm have against somebody like Gladiator???!!!
Firestorm and Captain Atom have both beaten each other but Firestorm has a solid record against everyone else unlike CA.

Originally posted by Validus
Firestorm and Captain Atom have both beaten each other but Firestorm has a solid record against everyone else unlike CA.

Captain Atom has beaten him twice.

Originally posted by batdude123
Captain Atom has beaten him twice.
And Firestorm has beaten Atom a few times. They had a nice rivalry going. Firestorm also went solo against the PC JLA.

Isn't Firestorm some hulking mass of undefiniable nuclear quantum energy? Isn't speedblitzing him kinda redudant...?

Originally posted by Validus
And Firestorm has beaten Atom a few times. They had a nice rivalry going. Firestorm also went solo against the PC JLA.

Atom has beaten Jordan.

Jordan has his bad days. Must have been really bad if he lost to Nate.

Originally posted by Validus
Jordan has his bad days. Must have been really bad if he lost to Nate.

Not really.

Atom can transmutate as well...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/ZeroExecute/ea8c3a40.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainatomtransmutatinglu9.jpg

Originally posted by Draco69
Isn't Firestorm some hulking mass of undefiniable nuclear quantum energy? Isn't speedblitzing him kinda redudant...?

Typically when I bring science into a discussion of comic characters it's side stepped.

Guess what now I am sidestepping your science and Gladiator SPEEDBLITZS for the win.

How often does Firestorm confront Superman and win, huh, huh??

Originally posted by Soleran
Typically when I bring science into a discussion of comic characters it's side stepped.

Guess what now I am sidestepping your science and Gladiator SPEEDBLITZS for the win.

How often does Firestorm confront Superman and win, huh, huh??

How often does ANYBODY win against Superman?

Originally posted by batdude123
How often does ANYBODY win against Superman?


Wait a second I'm on the phone with Silver Surfer he's telling me how badly he would own Superman and make him his whipping boy............................

Yeah, I just read that Firestorm isn't even "alive" actually.
He is sentient power.

Originally posted by batdude123
How often does ANYBODY win against Superman?

Pharallax, Captain Marvel, Spectre, Shazam come to mind.

Originally posted by Soleran
Wait a second I'm on the phone with Silver Surfer he's telling me how badly he would own Superman and make him his whipping boy............................

I'm talking to Dominus, Darkseid, Eradicator, Imperiex, Maggeddon, Queen of Fables, this King of Hell dude, a shit load of skyfather level beings, etc... and they all say they lose against the man with an "S" on his chest. People winning against Superman doesn't happen often. In a comic, Surfer would get wasted...

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Captain Marvel

Billy and Superman usually stalemate.

Originally posted by batdude123
Billy and Superman usually stalemate.

He three punched him during the Morisson run. He did pretty well in Kingdom come aswell.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm talking to Dominus, Darkseid, Eradicator, Imperiex, Maggeddon, Queen of Fables, this King of Hell dude, a shit load of skyfather level beings, etc... and they all say they lose against the man with an "S" on his chest. People winning against Superman doesn't happen often. In a comic, Surfer would get wasted...


Seriously though you're delusional, those are just comic characters. Silver Surfer is real and so is Wolverine so don't even try it or Chuck Norris will round house kick you and you'll never leave puberty!

Besides what kind of eff'ing phone system do you have there, I have heard of 3 way what's that like 15 way?!?!?! Thats how I really knew you were making up your piece Batdude!

It's a tough night for Batdude.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
He three punched him during the Morisson run. He did pretty well in Kingdom come aswell. Wasn't that a cheap shot? And Cap later admitted he was lucky?

What can I say we didn't give the Bat prep, so he goes down!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't that a cheap shot? And Cap later admitted he was lucky?
I think most of us agree it was not a straight up fight and that Cap and Supers were more or less equals.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't that a cheap shot? And Cap later admitted he was lucky?
Both times Marvel knocked out Superman were cheap shots with magic-charged fists.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
He three punched him during the Morisson run. He did pretty well in Kingdom come aswell.

Most of their fights have been stalemates with a slight edge to either combatant.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm talking to Dominus, Darkseid, Eradicator, Imperiex, Maggeddon, Queen of Fables, this King of Hell dude, a shit load of skyfather level beings, etc... and they all say they lose against the man with an "S" on his chest. People winning against Superman doesn't happen often. In a comic, Surfer would get wasted...

Hold on, I am on the phone with the WRITERS over at DC. They say they only write Superman to always win, because he spends lots of time under thier desks.