NYC mulls ban on trans fats in eateries

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dawsey28
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/ap_on_he_me/diet_trans_fat_ban





Your thoughts? Good idea or bad idea?

Kinneary
The government should pave my roads and shut up. They have no right to ban a food additive because it's unhealthy.

Quiero Mota
Definitely a good thing. Americans are as fat as it is; the last thing we need is an artificial fat that's addicting.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Kinneary
The government should pave my roads and shut up. They have no right to ban a food additive because it's unhealthy.

Back in the days when mercury was used in hat making and lead contaminated tinned food due to the sealing process...

Would you have complained then as well? "The government should pave the roads and shut up. They have no right to ban deadly metals used in the canning process."

Soleran
Tens of thousands of premature deaths caused by trans-fats, bullshit. Article lost crediblity right there.

spidermonkey
Originally posted by Soleran
Tens of thousands of premature deaths caused by trans-fats, bullshit. Article lost crediblity right there.

Well, that is a quote from someone. Not exactly the article's "saying."

But anyway, I think Dawsey just really wanted to know if you think this would be a good idea or not. I don't think there is much concern about the credibility of the article.

Soleran
If its a good idea or not they are using words from guys that have Harvard so and so's to validate their position in "doing the right thing."

Retarded, just retarded.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Soleran
If its a good idea or not they are using words from guys that have Harvard so and so's to validate their position in "doing the right thing."

Retarded, just retarded.

Wait... I'm confused.... so its retarded to quote a health experts oppinion on the subject?

Soleran
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Wait... I'm confused.... so its retarded to quote a health experts oppinion on the subject?

No, they posted his opinion of trans-fats without any proof to validate it.



He said they are ALMOST surely causes TEN of THOUSANDS of PREMATURE deaths each year. Such marketing bullshit loaded into that its scary. Whats worse is you not actually taking the time to read it as it's written and looking to validate it.


Next we're going to have a Vegan specialist get quoted for the various PREMATURE deaths steak is involved in each year, yeah whatever.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Soleran
No, they posted his opinion of trans-fats without any proof to validate it.

Well, it is a Internet news article - they aren't always known for loading down the stories with all the medical journal articles and the like that have been done on subjects such as this.

I believe it is fair to assume, from what I know of people in such posts at universities, that they generally don't make sweeping statements for no reason. There is likely a good reason why the Harvard Health expert is saying it... could it be because he has reason to think it is a good move? Could it be the fault of the article alone, and not so much the Harvard chap and the people behind this move, that is causing you dismay?



As above - I am believe there is likely a reason why a health expert at a major educational institute would be saying it. Maybe it is because... there are studies that support the claim, and just because the articles author doesn't see fit to include them does not invalidate the claim.

Maybe you should dispute the science of the matter, rather then the way one of the quoted sources words his sentances?

Kinneary
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Back in the days when mercury was used in hat making and lead contaminated tinned food due to the sealing process...

Would you have complained then as well? "The government should pave the roads and shut up. They have no right to ban deadly metals used in the canning process."
I think you totally missed the point of my post.

It's no business of the government how much fat I eat. If I weigh 450 pounds, the government has no right to say that I have to stop eating french fries (unless I'm being taken care of on the state's dime, which is a whole different issue). The government is responsible for providing for the general safety of the populace, and should they decide to launch an ad campaign highlighting the dangers of trans fats, that's one thing. Banning it because it's not healthy is something else.

Darth Macabre
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Definitely a good thing. Americans are as fat as it is; the last thing we need is an artificial fat that's addicting.

I'm not fat, and I live in NYC...I'll take my trans fat, thank you very much.smile

I see why they're doing it, but I don't think it's right, personally.

WrathfulDwarf
Well, there goes the New York Pizza slice. no

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Kinneary
I think you totally missed the point of my post.

It's no business of the government how much fat I eat. If I weigh 450 pounds, the government has no right to say that I have to stop eating french fries (unless I'm being taken care of on the state's dime, which is a whole different issue). The government is responsible for providing for the general safety of the populace, and should they decide to launch an ad campaign highlighting the dangers of trans fats, that's one thing. Banning it because it's not healthy is something else.

I think you are confused - you do know there are different types of fat correct? That banning trans fat isn't the same as banning all fat? That you can still weigh 450 pounds even without trans fat?

Unlike every other type of fat there are zero health benefits or dietary requirements for eating it. In fact it is highly detrimental for health, with a correlation having been shown between trans fat and blood problems/heart disease. You can completely remove trans fats and it is not going to adversely affect the taste of food, or your ability to get fat - why? Because the other fats remain that, in moderation, are actually a part of a balanced diet.

Trans fats however are not - they are comparable to the lead example I gave - they can occur naturally in small amounts, or be a by product of processing - like the lead. And like the lead they have a detrimental affect on health (just slower then the lead.) There is not a single valid reason why they shouldn't be removed from foods when they serve no purpose and actually are harmful in the long run.

Bashar Teg
*bump*

remember when people were programmed to get triggered over simpler things, like being robbed of their precious body-rotting trans fats? remember when this was going to ruin the taste of mcdonalds, kfc, doritos, etc? meanwhile it all tastes the same, the doom&gloomer internet hobbyists were all wrong, they never lost their freedom to become obese and diabetic by over-consuming junk food, and they still love doritos. isn't that weird?

see? none of this silliness is new, we just changed topics. merry christmas, all smile

Flyattractor
Hey! Remember when Grave Digging Old Threads was considered a Bannable Offence!?

Yeah I do. Good Times.

I hope all of your Holidays are Pure Bullshit!!!!!

Go to Hell Robtard!

Bashar Teg
oh ethneostarflyofbrooklyn, I'm sorry thaf you're triggered on christmas. feel better sad

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