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Ok I am going to put together a team more powerful then my orignal team. The team gets 10 days of prep no IG or HOTU


Kubik- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubik

Perrkius- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-perrikus.html

Depowered Tyrant- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/tyrantgalactus.htm

Surtur- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-surtur.html

Ymir- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-ymir.html

Magus- http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Magus_%28Universal_Church_of_Truth%29

Thanos- http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Thanos

Mangog- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-mangog.html

Maelstrom- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom_%28comics%29

High Evolutionary- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-highevolutionary.html

Enslaver- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/enslavermrrungomu.htm

Walker- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/walkermarvel.htm

Chthon- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/chthonother.htm

Ultimus- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-ultimus.html

Set- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/seteldergod.htm

Capatin Marvel III- http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/avengers/captain_marvel3.html & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genis-Vell

Desak- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desak

the team would stomp Anti-Monitor........ i personally believe that kubik could do it on his own.

Anti monitor

Well is very smart characters like High Evolutionary,Thanos,Maelstrom & Depowered Tyant and almost everybody are Skyfather and Kubik I believe is way above Skyfather.

All of these character's listed are pretty much Universal or less. The anti-monitor at the height of his power had absorbed Trillions of Universes. No one has ever had that much power in comics. TRILLIONS. He most certainly would kick the shit out of the entire roster listed here.

Originally posted by golem370
Well is very smart characters like High Evolutionary,Thanos,Maelstrom & Depowered Tyant and almost everybody are Skyfather and Kubik I believe is way above Skyfather.
Even spectre was only able to weaken the anti monitor those guys are nothing compared to the spectre and BTW anti monitor was multiversal at power level

He would lose imo

Kubik could give everybody here a Cosmic Cube making almost Abstract in power.

Originally posted by golem370
He would lose imo

The Anti Monitor was the stronest Comics character in the history of Comics. He had the power of Trillions of Universes. That's a lot of power. He stomps this team in half a pico.

Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All of those guys combined

I would like to see that.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All of those guys combined Originally posted by golem370
I would like to see that.

I really like to see that fight because I believe Spectre is maybe equal to LT and I believe them combined with the prep could defeat LT which means I believe they could beat Spectre or AM

You believe that those guys could beat LT???

All of these guys would be a definet danger to the Universe with prep time. Chthon is a vastly powerful Magic manipulator. High Evolutionary is crazy smart and powerful and Kubik is a very powerful Reality Warper.People said that Genis-Vell could destroy the Universe and there are just alot of very powerful characters in here. Some Smarter then Mister Fantastic or Dr Doom

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You believe that those guys could beat LT???

the team wins 7/10

With ten days of prep. Look at would Mister Fantastic has done with prep and Thanos and High Evolutionary are way smarter then him.

Three other characters I will add
Overlord- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/overlrds.htm
Xorr the God-Jewel- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-xorr.html
Atuma the God Eater- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-atumthegodeater.html

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Anti Monitor was the stronest Comics character in the history of Comics. nope, he was by no means stronger then Spectre (at his full power), Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, Pre ret Beyonder/Molecule Man

Where do you guys get ur info from? The LT is above the IG. And the IG is above all of those guys combined. The Spectre is equal to the LT which means he is above the IG as well. Meaning he is also above those guys. The Antimonitor was more powerful than than the Spectre and he had the power of TRILLIONS AND QUINTILLIONS of universes. So exactly where do these guys get so much power from to be beating the Anti-Monitor?

Originally posted by galan7777777
nope, he was by no means stronger then Spectre (at his full power), Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, Pre ret Beyonder/Molecule Man

Pre Ret Molecule man is over hyped. Dr. Manhatten when he ascended was easily far superior to Molecule man. And The beyonder was only millions of times more powerful than the MU. The Anti-monitor had the power of trillions of universes. Do the math. Your equation is not computing. Lucifer and Michael are part of God. They might as well be god.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All of these character's listed are pretty much Universal or less. The anti-monitor at the height of his power had absorbed Trillions of Universes. No one has ever had that much power in comics. TRILLIONS. He most certainly would kick the shit out of the entire roster listed here.

Thay may be true, but he's also one of the biggest jobbers of all time in any universe.

Get affected by the OMEGA EFFECT? C'mon, let's get real. Even Galactus must have been rolling on teh ground laughing after hearing that. J.O.B - That's what Anti-monitor should list as his greatest accomplishment

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Pre Ret Molecule man is over hyped. Dr. Manhatten when he ascended was easily far superior to Molecule man. And The beyonder was only millions of times more powerful than the MU. The Anti-monitor had the power of trillions of universes. Do the math. Your equation is not computing. Lucifer and Michael are part of God. They might as well be god. you said AM was the strongest character im all of comics with trillions of universes, first of all where does it state he absorbed trillions of universes, and secondly what did he do that would put him anywhere near the characters i named?

Originally posted by boriquaking55
Thay may be true, but he's also one of the biggest jobbers of all time in any universe.

Get affected by the OMEGA EFFECT? C'mon, let's get real. Even Galactus must have been rolling on teh ground laughing after hearing that. J.O.B - That's what Anti-monitor should list as his greatest accomplishment
That happened after the Spectre weakened the Anti Monitor

Originally posted by galan7777777
you said AM was the strongest character im all of comics with trillions of universes, first of all where does it state he absorbed trillions of universes, and secondly what did he do that would put him anywhere near the characters i named?

Ok, The Crisis of the infinite Earths. Meaning Infinite Universes. Anti Monitor had absorbed the power of all of those universes save the last 10 I believe. Until it went down to just 1 if I'm not mistaken. The Anti Monitor was able to stand up to the spectre. NON of the beings you named could stand up to the spectre. All the hyperbole aside, none of those characters has the might to fight the wrath of God. If the Spectre was able to hold off the Anti-Monitor, with his trillions of universes might, then surely the spectre can beat any being who is only millions of times more powerful than the MU. NUFF said.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok, The Crisis of the infinite Earths. Meaning Infinite Universes. Anti Monitor had absorbed the power of all of those universes save the last 10 I believe. you didnt answer my question, where does it say that AM not only absorbed trillions of universes, but also that he was as powerful as all of them combined?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Anti Monitor was able to stand up to the spectre. NON of the beings you named could stand up to the spectre. All the hyperbole aside, none of those characters has the might to fight the wrath of God. are you attempting to say lucifer and michael couldnt beat spectre?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If the Spectre was able to hold off the Anti-Monitor, with his trillions of universes might, then surely the spectre can beat any being who is only millions of times more powerful than the MU. it was never stated that beyonders limit was only millions of times the multiverse, thats just all the power he was releasing at the time.... and remember AM may have absorbed some UNIverses, but beyonder was MILLIONS of time more powerful then the MULTIverse combined.... what did AM do that even remotely compared to some of the beyonders feats?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NUFF said. your very cocky for someone that has made no points

Well They could possibly get the Ultimate Nulifer to and the Starbrand and the Cosmic Cubes

Originally posted by galan7777777
you didnt answer my question, where does it say that AM not only absorbed trillions of universes, but also that he was as powerful as all of them combined?

are you attempting to say lucifer and michael couldnt beat spectre?

it was never stated that beyonders limit was only millions of times the multiverse, thats just all the power he was releasing at the time.... and remember AM may have absorbed some UNIverses, but beyonder was MILLIONS of time more powerful then the MULTIverse combined.... what did AM do that even remotely compared to some of the beyonders feats?

your very cocky for someone that has made no points

I"m not falling for any of the pretty scans and interpretations of what people like to say about the beyonder or anyother character. The beyonder was a universe. It doesn't matter how powerful that Universe was, The antimonitor absorbed universes. Making him able to simply absorb the power of the beyonder had they ever met. The anti monitor did have the power of those universes combined. Read the story arc. What did he do with the energy if he didn't absorb it? give it away at a bake sale? Beyonder's Feats aren't really that impressive. he hasn't done anything on panel that other's haven't done or can't do. All the hyperbole aside, most of his on panel feats are descriptive. By description, The Spectre controls the MULTITUDE of realities that are the presences. able to shape and mold them to his bidding. So i'm not impressed with the beyonder. All the scans and twisting of words dont' fool me. And IF God decided to kill Michael or Lucifer, He could give the spectre the power to do so. Or eat micheal himself. They are all God's to do with what he wants.

One more thing, The anti Monitor Repowered himself by asborbing another universe. He was no where near his former might but right there shows that he was absorbing the power of all the universes as he repowered himself when he absorbed a universe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m not falling for any of the pretty scans and interpretations of what people like to say about the beyonder or anyother character. The beyonder was a universe.? Correction, an "Infinite Universe"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It doesn't matter how powerful that Universe was, The antimonitor absorbed universes. Making him able to simply absorb the power of the beyonder had they ever met. HAHA beyonder was far more powerful the "trillions of universes" how many universes do you think are contained in "millions of MULTIVERSES combined?"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The anti monitor did have the power of those universes combined. Read the story arc. What did he do with the energy if he didn't absorb it? give it away at a bake sale? i ask again, what did AM do that even compared to the beyonder?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Beyonder's Feats aren't really that impressive. he hasn't done anything on panel that other's haven't done or can't do. All the hyperbole aside, most of his on panel feats are descriptive. so killing multi-death isnt a feat? destroying galaxy's just by thinking too hard isnt a feat? beating galactus and toying with many other abstracts isnt a feat? thats just a few

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
By description, The Spectre controls the MULTITUDE of realities that are the presences. able to shape and mold them to his bidding. So i'm not impressed with the beyonder. All the scans and twisting of words dont' fool me. And IF God decided to kill Michael or Lucifer, He could give the spectre the power to do so. Or eat micheal himself. They are all God's to do with what he wants. spectre has already encountered Lucifer and was shooed away like a frghtened child, dont attempt to talk about michael and lucifer when you have no clue about them

Originally posted by galan7777777
Correction, an "Infinite Universe"

HAHA beyonder was far more powerful the "trillions of universes" how many universes do you think are contained in "millions of MULTIVERSES combined?"

i ask again, what did AM do that even compared to the beyonder?

so killing multi-death isnt a feat? destroying galaxy's just by thinking too hard isnt a feat? beating galactus and toying with many other abstracts isnt a feat? thats just a few

spectre has already encountered Lucifer and was shooed away like a frghtened child, dont attempt to talk about michael and lucifer when you have no clue about them


First of all. The panel said that the beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the universe. IT never said multi verse. So no, I"m not falling for that multiverse stuff.

Also , where are you getting this multi Death from? Does it ever state on panel it was multi death? or is this someone's interpretation of events using after the fact panels and hyperboling? Death isnt' that hard to kill. Thanos with the IG could do it. Mr. Mxy could do it. The spectre could do it. I"m not impressed. Destroying galaxies isn't that hard to do. Many beings have that type of power. Odin can do that. And the abstracts cowered at the magus with an incomplete ig. I'm still not impressed. As far as the spectre. I said, IF god told the spectre to kill michael or lucifer, he could do it. NOTHING can stand against the wrath of God. Especially if those beings get thier power from the same being as the spectre.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all. The panel said that the beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the universe. IT never said multi verse. So no, I"m not falling for that multiverse stuff. let me address this idiotic comment first, and read the damn scan:
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg OUCH that hurts dosent it?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also , where are you getting this multi Death from? Does it ever state on panel it was multi death? or is this someone's interpretation of events using after the fact panels and hyperboling? Death isnt' that hard to kill. death being erased was felt across the multiverse, so it was obviously multideath or him killing her would have just been felt in one universe.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos with the IG could do it. Mr. Mxy could do it. The spectre could do it. I"m not impressed. Destroying galaxies isn't that hard to do. Many beings have that type of power. Odin can do that. And the abstracts cowered at the magus with an incomplete ig. I'm still not impressed. show me where they killed multi-death........ and also show me where the abstracts cowered from an incomplete IG, i seem to remember LT beating even a complete IG....... nice try though

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As far as the spectre. I said, IF god told the spectre to kill michael or lucifer, he could do it. NOTHING can stand against the wrath of God. Especially if those beings get thier power from the same being as the spectre. wrong again, dont try and lecture me on lucifer..... lucifer and michael are stated as the 2nd and 3rd most powerful beings in all of creation, Spectre has no hold on beings that cannot die........ the only way to kill them is if God himself did it

Originally posted by galan7777777
let me address this idiotic comment first, and read the damn scan:
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg OUCH that hurts dosent it?

death being erased was felt across the multiverse, so it was obviously multideath or him killing her would have just been felt in one universe.

show me where they killed multi-death........ and also show me where the abstracts cowered from an incomplete IG, i seem to remember LT beating even a complete IG....... nice try though

wrong again, dont try and lecture me on lucifer..... lucifer and michael are stated as the 2nd and 3rd most powerful beings in all of creation, Spectre has no hold on beings that cannot die........ the only way to kill them is if God himself did it
Spectre can kill Lucifer if God grants him enough power it only depends on God

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Spectre can kill Lucifer if God grants him enough power it only depends on God it depends, but most likely God himself would carry out this task....

Originally posted by galan7777777
let me address this idiotic comment first, and read the damn scan:
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg OUCH that hurts dosent it?

death being erased was felt across the multiverse, so it was obviously multideath or him killing her would have just been felt in one universe.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.jpg

show me where they killed multi-death........ and also show me where the abstracts cowered from an incomplete IG, i seem to remember LT beating even a complete IG....... nice try though

wrong again, dont try and lecture me on lucifer..... lucifer and michael are stated as the 2nd and 3rd most powerful beings in all of creation, Spectre has no hold on beings that cannot die........ the only way to kill them is if God himself did it

Fisrt off, it says he was more powerful than millions of the multiverse combined. He's more powerful thant he multiverse cobined. You made it seem like he was more powerful than Multi-Multiverses. Galactus's death can be felt across the multiverse as well. But there are still more than one galactus. I'm not buying that. And God can tell the spectre to kill micheal or lucifer, and god's will be done. Period.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Fisrt off, it says he was more powerful than millions of the multiverse combined. He's more powerful thant he multiverse cobined. millions of times more powerful then the multiverse combined far exceeds any power AM had, prove me wrong....

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You made it seem like he was more powerful than Multi-Multiverses. when did i ever say that? Read what im writing, dont make things up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Galactus's death can be felt across the multiverse as well. But there are still more than one galactus. I'm not buying that. really? a single galactus dying can be felt across the multiverse? the only time his death was felt across the multiverse is when abraxas killed every galactus in every universe..... another nice try, your argument is fading fast

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And God can tell the spectre to kill micheal or lucifer, and god's will be done. Period. blah, blah, blah crazysign

Originally posted by galan7777777
millions of times more powerful then the multiverse combined far exceeds any power AM had, prove me wrong....

when did i ever say that? Read what im writing, dont make things up.

really? a single galactus dying can be felt across the multiverse? the only time his death was felt across the multiverse is when abraxas killed every galactus in every universe..... another nice try, your argument is fading fast

blah, blah, blah crazysign

So exactly where do you get this notion that millions of times more powerful than the multiverse is more powerful than all the power of every single universe ever save 10? seems a little bit shaky to make an assumption based on a numerical figure that only goes into the millions against one that reaches into infinity. When nearly infinite universes where absorbed. That number trumps anything in the millions, no matter how much the millions is. And I'm not impressed with death being killed. He didnt' have the power to bring her back. It takes more to create than to destroy. ANyone who erases all of existance kills death along with it. parallax did that. mr mxy could make every single living thing immortal thus killing death. i'm not budging on my stance that the AM is more powerful than anyone mentioned thus far.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So exactly where do you get this notion that millions of times more powerful than the multiverse is more powerful than all the power of single universe ever save 10? the multiverse is what makes up all the universes in the entire MU, and beyonder was millions of times more powerful then that

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
seems a little bit shaky to make an assumption based on a numerical figure that only goes into the millions. When nearly infinite universes where absorbed. millions of times the power of the MULTIVERSE combined far exceeds trillions of single UNIverses..... and you have yet to show me where its stated that AM absorbed, and was as powerful as trillions of universes

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I'm not impressed with death being killed. He didnt' have the power to bring her back. It takes more to create than to destroy. yet another bunch of gibberish from someone who knows nothing of the beyonder....... read this scan he clearly recreates death:
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectsdeath2ij8.jpg OUCH! burned again

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANyone who erases all of existance kills death along with it. parallax did that. mr mxy could make every single living thing immortal. and where does it say that they killed multideath or even a single death? show me.... or is that just another oppinion of yours?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
i'm not budging on my stance that the am is more powerful than anyone mentioned thus far. because you will never accept facts even when they are provided to you, its pathetic jr_disgust

Originally posted by galan7777777
the multiverse is what makes up all the universes in the entire MU, and beyonder was millions of times more powerful then that

millions of times the power of the MULTIVERSE combined far exceeds trillions of single UNIverses..... and you have yet to show me where its stated that AM absorbed, and was as powerful as trillions of universes

yet another bunch of gibberish from someone who knows nothing of the beyonder....... read this scan he clearly recreates death:
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectsdeath2ij8.jpg OUCH! burned again

and where does it say that they killed multideath or even a single death? show me.... or is that just another oppinion of yours?

because you will never accept facts even when they are provided to you, its pathetic jr_disgust

Actually What I dont accept is every one trying to make the DCU fit into the Marvel scheme of power. Every one uses the marvel scheme of power and representations and then challenges someone to prove that the very same thing happened in the DCU. What's pathetic is I have enough logic and brains to know that you can't compare the two like that and no one else does. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you destroy the entire creation, every single thing in it, and all divergent timelines as well, that you also destroy that abstracts with in that wrealm. Eternity is the abstract representation of the universe. If you destroy the universe, you destroy him. Being able to destroy Eternity equald being able to destroy Death and Life. I'm not going to play the let's try and make the DCU fit into the marvel scheme of power game and then shoot down every feat in dc cuz it doesn't fit into the scheme of things in mu. that shit happens here on the boards all of the time. I simply wont' accept that bs. That's what I WON"T accept. Parallax destroyed every thing, including DC's death. Multiple Eternities and more. PERIOD. MR. mxy is the strongest imp and the imps have imprisoned the Spectre. Nuff said. The Spectre had to go thru the back door to beat mxy by draining his magic. He didn't outright out power him. SO until then, i'm going to use logic and look at each feat on thier own merits and not try to Squash every DCU feat and being into a marvel scheme of power. It won't work.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually What I dont accept is every one trying to make the DCU fit into the Marvel scheme of power. Every one uses the marvel scheme of power and representations and then challenges someone to prove that the very same thing happened in the DCU. weren't you just doing the same thing untill you were owned?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What's pathetic is I have enough logic and brains to know that you can't compare the two like that and no one else does. you were just comparing them

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you destroy the entire creation, every single thing in it, and all divergent timelines as well, that you also destroy that abstracts with in that wrealm. Again prove to me that they did this, your personal oppinion means nothing

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Eternity is the abstract representation of the universe. If you destroy
the universe, you destroy him. Being able to destroy Eternity equald being able to destroy Death and Life. Its not equal at all, death is multiversal, a single eternity is well, universal

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not going to play the let's try and make the DCU fit into the marvel scheme of power game and then shoot down every feat in dc cuz it doesn't fit into the scheme of things in mu. You just were

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
that shit happens here on the boards all of the time. I simply wont' accept that bs. and you start most of it

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Parallax destroyed every thing, including DC's death. Multiple Eternities and more. PERIOD. MR. mxy is the strongest imp and the imps have imprisoned the Spectre. Nuff said. why are we bringing up Mxy? ohh yeah thats right your a fanboy..... and cant accept that a marvel character can clearly beat a DC character

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Spectre had to go thru the back door to beat mxy by draining his magic. He didn't outright out power him. He still beat Mxy

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO until then, i'm going to use logic and look at each feat on thier own merits and not try to Squash every DCU feat and being into a marvel scheme of power. It won't work. ok well heres some DC beings that would beat AM: Spectre (full power), Lucifer Morningstar, and Michael Demiurgos...... does that work better for you?

Anti-monitor destroyed countless universes, but he wasn't the combined strength of all those universes. IIRC he had the power of a couple universes at most.

Originally posted by galan7777777
why are we bringing up Mxy? ohh yeah thats right your a fanboy..... and cant accept that a marvel character can clearly beat a DC character

He still beat Mxy

ok well heres some DC beings that would beat AM: Spectre (full power), Lucifer Morningstar, and Michael Demiurgos...... does that work better for you?

Actually if you look at the opinion of most of the people on these boards, ALL marvel characters beat thier closest DC counter parts. Every thing else you said means nothing to me. DC doesn't represent it's cosmos the same way as marvel. So you have to look at everything thru a different filter and then determine who's more powerful. To simply as this character was shown erasing death, and this one didn't is silly. Especially since DCu doesn't operate in those terms. That's like saying, Doomsday beat the crap out of Superman and the Odin was never shown beating Superman, so he can't do it. That is exacly what your doing by bringing up the death thing in comparison to parallax. I'm done with it. call me all the fan boy you want.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually if you look at the opinion of most of the people on these boards, ALL marvel characters beat thier closest DC counter parts. Every thing else you said means nothing to me. DC doesn't represent it's cosmos the same way as marvel. So you have to look at everything thru a different filter and then determine who's more powerful. To simply as this character was shown erasing death, and this one didn't is silly. Especially since DCu doesn't operate in those terms. That's like saying, Doomsday beat the crap out of Superman and the Odin was never shown beating Superman, so he can't do it. That is exacly what your doing by bringing up the death thing in comparison to parallax. I'm done with it. call me all the fan boy you want. why just cant you admit that i proved everything you said wrong? id respect you much more if you could just do that....

Being able to destroy a universe is NOT the same as being able to destroy Eternity. Eternity is a representation of the universe itself. So when you battle him, you battle all the power in the universe combined. Destroying a universe, is more like destroying him when he's asleep, and not fighting back.

I'll touch on all of this more later, I've got to go to work.

Originally posted by galan7777777
why just cant you admit that i proved everything you said wrong? id respect you much more if you could just do that....

You didnt' prove me wrong. Not in my ideological sense. You corrected me on some on panel things, but you haven't proven me wrong. This board tries to put every DC feat and character into the marvel hierachy and it leaves the DC characters on the short end of the stick. If you dont' believe me, just take a look at the major battles. i'm not wrong, You can compare The beyonder erasing death to any character in DC becuz no character in DC has erased Death. But you can logically see that if a character can destroy the universe and everything in it, othe multiverse, then they are also destroying death in the dcu as well. I'm over it like I said. I know how this forum works and what rules they abide by. Every thing is on a marvel slider. Period. They even rate the strength lvls on a marvel slider. Class this, and class that. DC doesn't even have that class rating. hell aquaman is class 100 if that is the case. w/e. I won't be arguing infinite beings any more becuz people will just try to use the marvel system instead of using a bit of logic.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Being able to destroy a universe is NOT the same as being able to destroy Eternity. Eternity is a representation of the universe itself. So when you battle him, you battle all the power in the universe combined. Destroying a universe, is more like destroying him when he's asleep, and not fighting back.

I'll touch on all of this more later, I've got to go to work.

But if the DCU has no Eternity per say, then you have to be reasonable and make the connection. Or every single damn thing done in marvel that has to do with top tiers and up trumps every thing that DC top tiers and up do. Don't have to touch on it. I know exactly what it will go into. Trying to peg the DCU into the Marvel U scheme when they dont' have the representations that Marvel does, makes these arguments infuriating.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You didnt' prove me wrong. Not in my ideological sense. You corrected me on some on panel things, but you haven't proven me wrong. any "points" you tried to make i proved wrong with actual evidence, just admit that much at least

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This board tries to put every DC feat and character into the marvel hierachy and it leaves the DC characters on the short end of the stick. If you dont' believe me, just take a look at the major battles. i'm not wrong, but you persistantly put DC characters in the Marvel hierachy, so whats the difference?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can compare The beyonder erasing death to any character in DC becuz no character in DC has erased Death. you were JUST arguing otherwise, im glad to see that your coming around

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But you can logically see that if a character can destroy the universe and everything in it, othe multiverse, then they are also destroying death in the dcu as well. nope even when Thanos had THOTU he didnt absorb death, even though he absorbed the entire multiverse

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm over it like I said. I know how this forum works and what rules they abide by. Every thing is on a marvel slider. Period.They even rate the strength lvls on a marvel slider. Class this, and class that. DC doesn't even have that class rating.hell aquaman is class 100 if that is the case. crazysign

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I won't be arguing infinite beings any more Good

Originally posted by galan7777777
any "points" you tried to make i proved wrong, just admit that much at least

but you persistantly put DC characters in the Marvel hierachy, so whats the difference?

I only use what is available to me here. People act like they only respond to marvel hierarchy.

you were just arguing otherwise, im glad to see that your comind around

The Reason no one in DC has killed death is becuz the only death abstract being is part of the endless. And maybe the DCU cosmics have enough sense not to mess with stuff like that. The point being, how can a dcu being kill death when it's not the same representation as it is in marvel. **** it. your right. And Thor is stronger than Superman cuz he has the odin force, Which doesn't exist in DC either.


nope veen when Thanos has THOTU he didnt absorb death, even though he absorbed the entire multiverse

Thanos absorbed the universe and all the HE KNEW. He wasn't simply destroying everything that was. There is a difference.

crazysign

Good

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you have been proven wrong throughout this entire thread, just admit it so we can move on

When comparing Universes, You can only compare things that are concrete in both Universe. For instance, You can compare Moondragon to Saturn girl becuz Telepathy is represented the same way. You can compare strength from Superman to Thor becuz Superstrength is represented in the same way. When you start trying to compare abstracts and who did what to them, it makes things more difficult becuz they are not represented in the same way. You can't compare apples to apples in some battles and then compare apples to oranges in other battle and still use the same ground rules that you used when comparing apples to apples. You have to do some logical thinking. It's ludicris to say that The beyonder killed death and that automatically gives him some universal feat that no one else can do, when one, the story called for him to do it to drive the story and may not have been needed in other stories, and for two, when death isn't even represented the same way in the DCU. Rediculous to compare things in a simple fashion when they aren't simple. We can compare speed to speed becuz it's represented the same way. Should we say that Takion beats every single marvel being under abstract simply becuz he is the sources representitive and the MU doesn't have a source? this is what this BS sounds like to me.

Originally posted by galan7777777
you have been proven wrong throughout this entire thread, just admit it so we can move on
what ever you say. but you cannot deny that you can't compare the two fairly. plain and simple. not with the simple apples to apples garbage some people try to use on these boards.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
what ever you say. but you cannot deny that you can't compare the two fairly. plain and simple. not with the simple apples to apples garbage some people try to use on these boards. Just admit i have proved what you stated wrong.... i have beaten this horse to death 2dedhorse

Originally posted by galan7777777
Just admit i have proved what you stated wrong.... i have beaten this horse to death 2dedhorse

you haven't proved anything. Just becuz The presence hasn't been shown on panel destroying Death doesn't mean he can't do it. Hence many of the feats you used as back up to your claim mean nothing to me. Especially when trying to say that someone from another universe hasn't done it and there is no equiv for them to do it to. You'll figure out what i'm saying a hundred years from now. I won't relent and neither will u. Good day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you haven't proved anything. Just becuz The presence hasn't been shown on panel destroying Death doesn't mean he can't do it. Hence many of the feats you used as back up to your claim mean nothing to me. blah, blah, blah........ now your just looking for a way out, anyone who reads this will see that not only have you proven nothing, but what you did provide was proven wrong time and time again v

Originally posted by galan7777777
blah, blah, blah........ now your just looking for a way out, anyone who reads this will see that not only have you proven nothing, but what you did provide was proven wrong time and time again v

If you say so. But it still remains the same, parallax wiped out all of reality. All of them. To insist that he must some how on panel be shown killing death as well to make him on the lvl of the beyonder is rediculous. Or that he must be shown wiping out the multiverse in an instant to show that he was on the lvl of the Un is even more rediculous as Time had no meaning to him. That the story teller decided to make it more dramatic doesn't change the fact that he wiped it out and remade it. You are free to feel as if you really did something. ANd the people who are advanced enough to see my true argument are free to feel that way as well. You can compare strength, speed, durabilty, even time. These things are constant thru out comics. You can even compare lvl of power. But you can't compare feats against beings for which there is no equiv. They beyonder killing death cannot be compared and used against any DCU character becuz death isn't represented in the same light as marvel death. Period. Maybe you will get it sometime in the future.

I'll try to explain it one more time in normal terms. Two little boys both have a bat. One little boy lives in a room full of glass. The other boy lives in a room full of plastic. You tell them both to swing as hard as they can for 30 seconds. The little boy who had the glass in his room is going to have done more dmg to the glass on the surface. But the little boy who had the platic isn't any weaker, his bat wasn't smaller, he just dind't have any glass to hit, he only had plastic. So to compare and say one little boy is stronger becuz he broke all the glass in his room when the other little boy didn't even have glass in the first place is unfair and not a good analysis of the situation. This is what is happneing here every time something is compared from marvel to which there is no equiv in dc. that's just my two cents. Good day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you say so. But it still remains the same, parallax wiped out all of reality. All of them. To insist that he must some how on panel be shown killing death as well to make him on the lvl of the beyonder is rediculous. Or that he must be shown wiping out the multiverse in an instant to show that he was on the lvl of the Un is even more rediculous as Time had no meaning to him. That the story teller decided to make it more dramatic doesn't change the fact that he wiped it out and remade it. You are free to feel as if you really did something. ANd the people who are advanced enough to see my true argument are free to feel that way as well. You can compare strength, speed, durabilty, even time. These things are constant thru out comics. You can even compare lvl of power. But you can't compare feats against beings for which there is no equiv. They beyonder killing death cannot be compared and used against any DCU character becuz death isn't represented in the same light as marvel death. Period. Maybe you will get it sometime in the future.

I'll try to explain it one more time in normal terms. Two little boys both have a bat. One little boy lives in a room full of glass. The other boy lives in a room full of plastic. You tell them both to swing as hard as they can for 30 seconds. The little boy who had the glass in his room is going to have done more dmg to the glass on the surface. But the little boy who had the platic isn't any weaker, his bat wasn't smaller, he just dind't have any glass to hit, he only had plastic. So to compare and say one little boy is stronger becuz he broke all the glass in his room when the other little boy didn't even have glass in the first place is unfair and not a good analysis of the situation. This is what is happneing here every time something is compared from marvel to which there is no equiv in dc. that's just my two cents. Good day. yet again more gibberish and oppinion, when will you learn that personal oppinion means nothing if you cant back it up? nothing in your response is worth mentioning because its all your own oppinion, not fact

nvrbeenwthagirl, quote the first sentace in the second issue of infinity crusade.
Than continiue.

Originally posted by galan7777777
yet again more gibberish and oppinion, when will you learn that personal oppinion means nothing if you cant back it up? nothing in your response is worth mentioning because its all your own oppinion, not fact


OK what ever you say. But when you show me death being represented in the DCU the same exact way it is in marvel, when you show me the abstracts and the hierarchy of Marvel shown in the exact same light in the DCU then I'll concede. Until then, it's not my opinion, it' a fact that they are not represented the same way. I could care less if you think what I said means nothing or is personal opinion. I know i'm right. How the heck can you compare they beyonder's killing death to anything when one, it was part of the drive of the story, any fiction student can tell you that, and two death doesn't exist in the same way in the DCu as she does in MU. Hwo the hell can parallax swing at glass if he's in the room full of plasic? That's all i'm saying. Some of the more advanced thinkers will take the time to see what i'm saying and think about it. those who dont', don't have to.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
nvrbeenwthagirl, quote the first sentace in the second issue of infinity crusade.
Than continiue.

What does the Infinity crusade have to do with DC and this discussion? I"m at work and can't just get to my books right now. What's your point?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OK what ever you say. But when you show me death being represented in the DCU the same exact way it is in marvel, when you show me the abstracts and the hierarchy of Marvel shown in the exact same light in the DCU then I'll concede. Until then, it's not my opinion, it' a fact that they are not represented the same way. I could care less if you think what I said means nothing or is personal opinion. I know i'm right. How the heck can you compare they beyonder's killing death to anything when one, it was part of the drive of the story, any fiction student can tell you that, and two death doesn't exist in the same way in the DCu as she does in MU. Hwo the hell can parallax swing at glass if he's in the room full of plasic? That's all i'm saying. Some of the more advanced thinkers will take the time to see what i'm saying and think about it. those who dont', don't have to. you do realize that earlier in this thread (before you were owned), you were comparing them also dont you?

Originally posted by galan7777777
you do realize that earlier in this thread (before you were owned), you were comparing them also dont you?

I wasn't comparing them in the same way that you are. Which is what I have been saying all along. I think my argument was a bit too complicated. I said you can't compare apples to oranges as if you were comparing apples to apples. YOu have to compare them with some thought. Of course I compared them. But I had to use some thought. Parallax can't destroy death itself becuz it's not represented the same way in the DCU. So i said, he destroyed the entire multiverse, which would include death. I had to use a comparison based on what was available to the character.

And for the record, Owning means nothing to me. if it makes you feel better. don't. Cuz Owning would imply that I gave a damn. I'm trying to prove a conceptual argument. Not some petty feat that only the beyonder could do becuz death only exist in his company in that way. Congrats. You owned me. welcome to the club.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I wasn't comparing them in the same way that you are. Which is what I have been saying all along. I think my argument was a bit too complicated. I said you can't compare apples to oranges as if you were comparing apples to apples. YOu have to compare them with some thought. Of course I compared them. But I had to use some thought. Parallax can't destroy death itself becuz it's not represented the same way in the DCU. So i said, he destroyed the entire multiverse, which would include death. I had to use a comparison based on what was available to the character.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Congrats. You owned me. welcome to the club. thanks, thats all i needed to hear smokingcowboy

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Anti Monitor was the stronest Comics character in the history of Comics. He had the power of Trillions of Universes.

Originally posted by galan7777777


thanks, thats all i needed to hear smokingcowboy

ur welcome.

Originally posted by Inhuman


And i'm supposed to not think ur biased for marvel with a name like the inhuman and the runner as your title?

But I'm the only one in this whole entire forum who is called biased. HAH!!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And i'm supposed to not thing ur biased for marvel with a name like the inhuman and the runner as your title?

Your like a dc sheep. I if you read something in a comic you think its 100% fact. Meaning lets say you read that wonderwoman could beat the spectre if she wanted you would go for it. Then in that same comic she gets beaten by lets say darkseid.
It is also stated that spiderman with the uniforce was the most powerful hero in the universe.
There is a difference with something being stated and by looking at actual FEATS. Thats why you think that antimonitor was the most powerfull comics character ever. because it says the trillions nonsense. He was defeated was he not. Thats why you think Mr. Myx is all powerfull as well. And that is why you also think the ALE is uber powerfull & multiversal. Not by feats but by what is stated. By the comic characters nontheless


FEATS> What is stated.

Originally posted by Inhuman
FEATS> What is stated. This is 150% correct.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Your like a dc sheep. I if you read something in a comic you think its 100% fact. Meaning lets say you read that wonderwoman could beat the spectre if she wanted you would go for it. Then in that same comic she gets beaten by lets say darkseid.
It is also stated that spiderman with the uniforce was the most powerful hero in the universe.
There is a difference with something being stated and by looking at actual FEATS. Thats why you think that antimonitor was the most powerfull comics character ever. because it says the trillions nonsense. He was defeated was he not. Thats why you think Mr. Myx is all powerfull as well. And that is why you also think the ALE is uber powerfull & multiversal. Not by feats but by what is stated. By the comic characters nontheless


FEATS> What is stated.

Thank you for your analysis of me knowing nothing about me. ON panel, the beyonder hasn't done anything more than any other uber powerful being in comics. It's what's stated about him that gives him his power. The pic only showed him oozing out shiny power particles. It is the STATEMENT that he was millions of times more powerful than the multiverse that gives his feats much more weight it seems than anyone else on panel. Your like a marvel sheep who only thinks in your small and narrow view of things and since your OBVIOUSLY marvel biased, which you are even if you dont' see it. And the Reason why I extrapolate the ALE as being Multiversal in powerful is becuz one fraction of it is enough to control the universe. SO what the hell am I supposed to think if one small part of it has the power to rule a universe. It's your own small thinking and marvel is better than everything attitude that doesn't allow you to see things much more clearly when it comes to atually having to think about a dc character. now take that and chew on Rocks. And one more thing, ur analygy of the whole WW thing was stupid. Since I never talk in those simple terms and since I have never argued for a charcter like WW to be able to beat a character like the spectre, without some outside power up, then all your doing is trying to hyperbole me with a stupidly rediculous statement about what you think I would say. It's a pure and simple tactic of trying to make it seem as if I would do something so rediculous so that your assessment of me can stand up better. You can chew bricks for that one buddy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thank you for your analysis of me knowing nothing about me. ON panel, the beyonder hasn't done anything more than any other uber powerful being in comics. It's what's stated about him that gives him his power. The pic only showed him oozing out shiny power particles. It is the STATEMENT that he was millions of times more powerful than the multiverse that gives his feats much more weight it seems than anyone else on panel. Your like a marvel sheep who only thinks in your small and narrow view of things and since your OBVIOUSLY marvel biased, which you are even if you dont' see it. And the Reason why I extrapolate the ALE as being Multiversal in powerful is becuz one fraction of it is enough to control the universe. SO what the hell am I supposed to think if one small part of it has the power to rule a universe. It's your own small thinking and marvel is better than everything attitude that doesn't allow you to see things much more clearly when it comes to atually having to think about a dc character. now take that and chew on Rocks. And one more thing, ur analygy of the whole WW thing was stupid. Since I never talk in those simple terms and since I have never argued for a charcter like WW to be able to beat a character like the spectre, without some outside power up, then all your doing is trying to hyperbole me with a stupidly rediculous statement about what you think I would say. It's a pure and simple tactic of trying to make it seem as if I would do something so rediculous so that your assessment of me can stand up better. You can chew bricks for that one buddy.

as it still stands by on panel feats whether you like it or not:

IG>incomplete IG>Ultimate nullifier=Mr. Myx>ALE

Originally posted by Inhuman
as it still stands by on panel feats whether you like it or not:

IG>incomplete IG>Ultimate nullifier=Mr. Myx>ALE

As it stands, Since MR Mxy and the ALE are in a Different Universe than the IG and the UN, It's all purely Speculation on your part and the part of your Teacher to which you all sit in class like little kids and take his interpretation as forum law. I choose not to belive Mxy is Less than the IG becuz you can't prove that he isn't. You can put a million IG feats on panel, until you show someone wearing and IG and beating Mr. Mxy, Then I'm not going to fall for it. IT's the same thing as the many many people who think Superman far exceeds Thor in strength lvl. I dont' happen to agree but it's all speculation. YOu guys act as if becuz the majority on this forum see it the way your teacher has so masterfully laid it out for you to feed upon like babes to milk, that it is law. It's only speculation and opinion. ANd as such, You cannot fualt me for thinking the way I want to. At least I have enough sense to question things and not blindly go with it. I'm going with Independant thought. Try it sometimes. And since you chose to insult me first, I'm going to be nice and just insult you a little bit. Sheep.

ONe more thing, The only thing ever shown on Panel to defeat the IG is The LT. The only thing ever shown on panel to defeat Mxy is The Spectre. Seems like they are more even than you wish to give them credit for when the only beings able to defeat either of them happen to be equal to each other. ANd it seems that the LT beats the IG much in the same way the Spectre Beats Mxy. By simply depowering them. In now way actually fighting.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As it stands, Since MR Mxy and the ALE are in a Different Universe than the IG and the UN, It's all purely Speculation on your part and the part of your Teacher to which you all sit in class like little kids and take his interpretation as forum law. I choose not to belive Mxy is Less than the IG becuz you can't prove that he isn't. You can put a million IG feats on panel, until you show someone wearing and IG and beating Mr. Mxy, Then I'm not going to fall for it. IT's the same thing as the many many people who think Superman far exceeds Thor in strength lvl. I dont' happen to agree but it's all speculation. YOu guys act as if becuz the majority on this forum see it the way your teacher has so masterfully laid it out for you to feed upon like babes to milk, that it is law. It's only speculation and opinion. ANd as such, You cannot fualt me for thinking the way I want to. At least I have enough sense to question things and not blindly go with it. I'm going with Independant thought. Try it sometimes. And since you chose to insult me first, I'm going to be nice and just insult you a little bit. Sheep.

You do know that mostly all the fights here in the vs. forum have never happened right? So your telling me that the only way youll have an opinion on anything is if you see scan of hero A beating down hero B? that is utterly reatrted. On panel feats are vastly more credible as point of views/opinions.
So I can also say that Daredevil will crush ION. You disagree with me? ok then show me a pic of ION defeating Daredevil.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/barker.gif

LT>Spectre
LT=Spectre will full backing of Presence.

So if Spectre depowered Mxy... and it wasn't Spectre backed by Presence... then you had a weaker entity... depowering an even weaker one.

Did spectre have to talk to Mxy, have to try to convince him to give up the power... as if Mxy were an equal....

Where do you get off making comments that LT>IG. If anything IG is almost certainly at LTs level. Or at least close enough to LT that LT had to reason the owner into giving it away, rather then trying to take it by force.

So what have you proven, that the IG may be more powerful then spectre when he isn't backed by the presence... for example DOV spectre.

Originally posted by Inhuman
You do know that mostly all the fights here in the vs. forum have never happened right? So your telling me that the only way youll have an opinion on anything is if you see scan of hero A beating down hero B? that is utterly reatrted. On panel feats are vastly more credible as point of views/opinions.
So I can also say that Daredevil will crush ION. You disagree with me? ok then show me a pic of ION defeating Daredevil.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/barker.gif

You missed the entire point of my argument. NVM. YOu obviously can't grasp what I'm saying.

Originally posted by rotiart
LT>Spectre
LT=Spectre will full backing of Presence.

So if Spectre depowered Mxy... and it wasn't Spectre backed by Presence... then you had a weaker entity... depowering an even weaker one.

Did spectre have to talk to Mxy, have to try to convince him to give up the power... as if Mxy were an equal....

Where do you get off making comments that LT>IG. If anything IG is almost certainly at LTs level. Or at least close enough to LT that LT had to reason the owner into giving it away, rather then trying to take it by force.

So what have you proven, that the IG may be more powerful then spectre when he isn't backed by the presence... for example DOV spectre.


Escuse me, you obviously dont' know what is going on or what is being said. And the LT is above the IG

OK, I've tried to stay out of the whole Mxy vs IG debate when it comes up. But since people INSIST on bringing it up(again, and again, and again), I would just like to point something out. ANYONE wielding the infinity gauntlet(the way it should be) could NEVER be tricked by Superman into saying their name backwards. And before anyone starts pointing out Nebula taking the gauntlet from Thanos, she only managed to do it because he subconsciously wanted her to. To my knowledge, the only being to ever actually dupe a wielder of the IG, was Mephisto, which seems more PIS than anything(but maybe not, because Thanos IS arrogant, and deception is Mephisto's specialty). So while Mxy MIGHT theoretically have as much power as the IG, the IG has a greater level of omniscience, and therefore, IG wins.

I only have 1 issue of Crisis(so I may be mistaken), but didn't the Anti-Monitor utilize tech to destroy/absorb Universes?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can put a million IG feats on panel, until you show someone wearing and IG and beating Mr. Mxy, Then I'm not going to fall for it.

Ok then, I've never seen Micheal beat Wolverine.......


I've actually never seen any DC characters beat Wolverine, yes!!!!
I've also never seen any Marvel characters beat Robin. I guess Robin could beat the whole Marvel omniverse, I knew it!!!

You see how screwed this is now?

Originally posted by bigbran


Ok then, I've never seen Micheal beat Wolverine.......


I've actually never seen any DC characters beat Wolverine, yes!!!!
I've also never seen any Marvel characters beat Robin. I guess Robin could beat the whole Marvel omniverse, I knew it!!!

You see how screwed this is now?

I think ur missing the point. the point was how can people just arbitrarily rate Mxy or Parallaxe's power lvls and then rate them next to marvel items of power. There is no way to do that. Not when you get into those upper lvls of universal might. That is what I meant. I"m basically saying, where do they get the authority to rate character's of such high tier lvls and it just be "law" and anyone who disagrees is a noob or a fanboy. Sorry I missed the classes where the Teacher post scans and interprets them and sets the standards of power that everyone just goes with. I also said it's easy to compare strenth for stregth and speed for speed becuz these things are constant thru out all comics universe. But when you getinto abstract beings and obscene power lvls, youcan't just decide to make up some equation favorable to ur favorite characters and then decide it's law and every one elsebetter follow suit.