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Everyone gets prep. He gets 2 hours of prep and rest between each fight. How far does he go?


Lex Luther and Captains America/ 5 hours prep

Batman and Mr. Fantastic/ 4 1/2 hours prep

Apocalypse and Zoom/ 4 hours prep

Loki and Dr. Fate/ 3 1/2 hours prep

Onslaught and GL(John) 3 hours prep

Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 houre prep

Dr. Doom and Brainiac/ 2 hours prep

Ares and Odin/ 1 1/2 hour prep

Thanos and Darkseid/ 1 hour prep

Galactus(hungry) and Anti Monitor/ 1/2 hour prep

Phoenix Force and Godwave Wonder Woman/ 15 minutes prep

He'll have at least trouble at number two

Clears it, Dr Strange with all of his artifacts isnt someone you want to mess with.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Clears it, Dr Strange with all of his artifacts isnt someone you want to mess with. Agreed. Stranges feats are in a class of their own. He gets far

Number 4 will Stop him dead in his tracks.

He clears it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Number 4 will Stop him dead in his tracks.




Sorcerer Supreme

keyword.

Originally posted by thedude1948



Sorcerer Supreme

keyword.

He isn't any more powerful than Dr. Fate. Adding in Loki and strange gets it. Period.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He isn't any more powerful than Dr. Fate. Adding in Loki and strange gets it. Period.

Stalemating the Infinite Gauntlet > Any feat of Dr. Fate

Loki is an ant compared to Strange with his artifacts.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Stalemating the Infinite Gauntlet > Any feat of Dr. Fate

Loki is an ant compared to Strange with his artifacts.

PIS. Look it up. Anything Strange can do, Fate can as well.

Strange was able to fight off the effects of the Infinty Gauntlet with only a few minutes prep, with 2 hours, he takes just about anyone but LT or Spectre.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Strange was able to fight off the effects of the Infinty Gauntlet with only a few minutes prep, with 2 hours, he takes just about anyone but LT or Spectre.

Strange doesn't have any power of his own. Just knowlege. That being said, fate is just as well versed in the mystic arts as Strange. The helmet passes down mystic knowlege to the user from the past wearers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
PIS. Look it up. Anything Strange can do, Fate can as well.

PIS? please explain..... you cant go around calling things PIS without explaining why, and on the second part no....

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Strange doesn't have any power of his own. Just knowlege. That being said, fate is just as well versed in the mystic arts as Strange. The helmet passes down mystic knowlege to the user from the past wearers.

Do you know anything about Strange? it isnt just his knowledge, his powers mostly come from his artifacts and relationship with the Vishanti.

Originally posted by thedude1948
PIS? please explain..... you cant go around calling things PIS without explaining why, and on the second part no....



Do you know anything about Strange? it isnt just his knowledge, his powers mostly come from his artifacts and relationship with the Vishanti.

The infinity guantlet means God over multiple universes or so i'm told. Strange even remotely being able to stalemate it is PIS. Period. And Stranges artifacts don't trump the helm of Nabu. They are equal. That being said, Loki tips that battle. Loki and Dr. Fate with Prep can come up with some pretty powerful stuff. Loki may well be able to use the Odin force and rune magic on top of his own with Fate helping him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Strange doesn't have any power of his own. Just knowlege. That being said, fate is just as well versed in the mystic arts as Strange. The helmet passes down mystic knowlege to the user from the past wearers.
Yes but with prep, he can CALL on those higher powers. Strange calls on Eternity's avatar, and ends the fight, unless Fate can call on DC's equivelent(I forgot her name). But last time I checked, he couldn't do that. In a no prep fight they would probably stalemate, but Strange with prep has more at his disposal.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The infinity guantlet means God over multiple universes or so i'm told. Strange even remotely being able to stalemate it is PIS. Period.
No that means Strange's artifacts are powerful enough to stalemate the Infinity gauntlet, his artifacts come from gods and abstracts they arent just some random items.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Stranges artifacts don't trump the helm of Nabu. They are equal. do you have any feats of the helm of Nabu that equal stalemating the Infinity gauntlet or anything close?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That being said, Loki tips that battle. Loki and Dr. Fate with Prep can come up with some pretty powerful stuff. Loki may well be able to use the Odin force and rune magic on top of his own with Fate helping him.

Odin Force..... yeah that is going to do alot to Strange....

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Strange doesn't have any power of his own. Just knowlege. That being said, fate is just as well versed in the mystic arts as Strange. The helmet passes down mystic knowlege to the user from the past wearers.
I disagree....alot.

Strange has power of his own, after his five thousand year skyfather war, he had taken every single drop of Earth magic into himself. He drained it dry. He still has that power.

But, fine. Doesn't matter.

Let's look at the gauntlet: (Keep in mind that Strange is a reality AND a time manipulator. Those two hours of prep can turn into years.)


Lex Luther and Captains America/ 5 hours prep
Non-Fight.

Batman and Mr. Fantastic/ 4 1/2 hours prep
Batman is useless here. MF is tough, but in a fight with Strange, MF would just...not wake up one morning. Or Strange simply goes and kills MF's great, great, great, great, great, great granny. Remember, Strange is a time traveler of the highest degree.

Apocalypse and Zoom/ 4 hours prep
Strange threatens Apoc with a chair. Game Over.
Nah.
Zoom is useless here. So, 'poc fights Strange alone. Again, Strange goes and takes Apoc out while Apoc was hibernating a few thousand years ago. No fuss, no muss.

Loki and Dr. Fate/ 3 1/2 hours prep
Two interesting magicians. I know both well and they both are physically superior to Strange....and that's it.
Strange is older than Loki, better than Loki, more powerful than Loki and has more sources of power than Loki. Without prep he's superior to Loki, with prep, he's Loki's daddy.
Fate is powerful, but in Magic, you are only as powerful as the God you invoke. Fate only has Nabu. Strange has....everybody else..i.e LT, Chaos and Order, Eternity, Vishanti, Satannish, Darkhold and so on.

Onslaught and GL(John) 3 hours prep
Depends on which Onslaught. With Franklin, he'd be tough. Without Franklin, he's toast. Telepathy is useless against Strange, so if it's uber Onslaught, his only useful power would be reality manipulation and if Strange can null a"wish" from the I.G, he can do the same with OS. GL is powerful, but Strange can manipulate energy just like GL can. In fact, Strange can absorb an infinite amount of energy and steal it for himself. i.e The infinite or the Uni-force. Hal might just have his power taken away.


Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 hour prep
HoM Scarlet would win. If this isn't HoM scarlet, it's a weak team.


Ares and Odin/ 1 1/2 hour prep
Ares is useless, sorry. But Odin....he's the shit. Strange's feats are on par with Odin's normal feats, but Odin with prep is a monster. Odin would win.

Originally posted by long pig
I disagree....alot.

Strange has power of his own, after his five thousand year skyfather war, he had taken every single drop of Earth magic into himself. He drained it dry. He still has that power.

But, fine. Doesn't matter.

Let's look at the gauntlet: (Keep in mind that Strange is a reality AND a time manipulator. Those two hours of prep can turn into years.)


Lex Luther and Captains America/ 5 hours prep
Non-Fight.

Batman and Mr. Fantastic/ 4 1/2 hours prep
Batman is useless here. MF is tough, but in a fight with Strange, MF would just...not wake up one morning. Or Strange simply goes and kills MF's great, great, great, great, great, great granny. Remember, Strange is a time traveler of the highest degree.

Apocalypse and Zoom/ 4 hours prep
Strange threatens Apoc with a chair. Game Over.
Nah.
Zoom is useless here. So, 'poc fights Strange alone. Again, Strange goes and takes Apoc out while Apoc was hibernating a few thousand years ago. No fuss, no muss.

Loki and Dr. Fate/ 3 1/2 hours prep
Two interesting magicians. I know both well and they both are physically superior to Strange....and that's it.
Strange is older than Loki, better than Loki, more powerful than Loki and has more sources of power than Loki. Without prep he's superior to Loki, with prep, he's Loki's daddy.
Fate is powerful, but in Magic, you are only as powerful as the God you invoke. Fate only has Nabu. Strange has....everybody else..i.e LT, Chaos and Order, Eternity, Vishanti, Satannish, Darkhold and so on.

Onslaught and GL(John) 3 hours prep
Depends on which Onslaught. With Franklin, he'd be tough. Without Franklin, he's toast. Telepathy is useless against Strange, so if it's uber Onslaught, his only useful power would be reality manipulation and if Strange can null a"wish" from the I.G, he can do the same with OS. GL is powerful, but Strange can manipulate energy just like GL can. In fact, Strange can absorb an infinite amount of energy and steal it for himself. i.e The infinite or the Uni-force. Hal might just have his power taken away.


Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 hour prep
HoM Scarlet would win. If this isn't HoM scarlet, it's a weak team.


Ares and Odin/ 1 1/2 hour prep
Ares is useless, sorry. But Odin....he's the shit. Strange's feats are on par with Odin's normal feats, but Odin with prep is a monster. Odin would win.

Thank you for posting and yes it is HoM Scarlet Witch.

And just for arguments sake how do you think he'd do against the last three teams?

Hmmm...Strange either stops at Odin, Thanos & Darkseid, or Galactus.

I'm really trying to decide...As the above poster said, Odin is a beast, but considering the trouble Strange gave Rune King Thor, I could see him getting a slight majority over Odin. Thanos, though, is also a prep-machine. Perhaps not on the level of Strange, but with Darkseid's brute force backing up thanos'? Hmmm...

Originally posted by long pig
I disagree....alot.

Strange has power of his own, after his five thousand year skyfather war, he had taken every single drop of Earth magic into himself. He drained it dry. He still has that power.

But, fine. Doesn't matter.

Let's look at the gauntlet: (Keep in mind that Strange is a reality AND a time manipulator. Those two hours of prep can turn into years.)


Lex Luther and Captains America/ 5 hours prep
Non-Fight.

Batman and Mr. Fantastic/ 4 1/2 hours prep
Batman is useless here. MF is tough, but in a fight with Strange, MF would just...not wake up one morning. Or Strange simply goes and kills MF's great, great, great, great, great, great granny. Remember, Strange is a time traveler of the highest degree.

Apocalypse and Zoom/ 4 hours prep
Strange threatens Apoc with a chair. Game Over.
Nah.
Zoom is useless here. So, 'poc fights Strange alone. Again, Strange goes and takes Apoc out while Apoc was hibernating a few thousand years ago. No fuss, no muss.

Loki and Dr. Fate/ 3 1/2 hours prep
Two interesting magicians. I know both well and they both are physically superior to Strange....and that's it.
Strange is older than Loki, better than Loki, more powerful than Loki and has more sources of power than Loki. Without prep he's superior to Loki, with prep, he's Loki's daddy.
Fate is powerful, but in Magic, you are only as powerful as the God you invoke. Fate only has Nabu. Strange has....everybody else..i.e LT, Chaos and Order, Eternity, Vishanti, Satannish, Darkhold and so on.

Onslaught and GL(John) 3 hours prep
Depends on which Onslaught. With Franklin, he'd be tough. Without Franklin, he's toast. Telepathy is useless against Strange, so if it's uber Onslaught, his only useful power would be reality manipulation and if Strange can null a"wish" from the I.G, he can do the same with OS. GL is powerful, but Strange can manipulate energy just like GL can. In fact, Strange can absorb an infinite amount of energy and steal it for himself. i.e The infinite or the Uni-force. Hal might just have his power taken away.


Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 hour prep
HoM Scarlet would win. If this isn't HoM scarlet, it's a weak team.


Ares and Odin/ 1 1/2 hour prep
Ares is useless, sorry. But Odin....he's the shit. Strange's feats are on par with Odin's normal feats, but Odin with prep is a monster. Odin would win.

Lotta useless people in ur opinion. I wonder why that is?

People actually thought Strange would clear this gauntlet?

odin takes him down

Strange has my full respect.

But it's been proven on panel that Strange is less than nothing to Wanda.

So he definitely does Not pass her.

And if that's IG Thanos in the picture...oouuch

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Everyone gets prep. He gets 2 hours of prep and rest between each fight. How far does he go?


Lex Luther and Captains America/ 5 hours prep
Silly. They die.

Batman and Mr. Fantastic/ 4 1/2 hours prep
Depends on what artifacts they can get thier hands on. But, that short of notice, I will say none. Unless Richards has the use of a time machine.
Too much what-if. Strange beats them.

Apocalypse and Zoom/ 4 hours prep
Silly. They die.

Loki and Dr. Fate/ 3 1/2 hours prep
Again, a lot of what-if. They could probably come up with artifacts or help from somone/something high-level. Loki is just plain dangerous. He is VERY underated. He has tons of power, knowledge and experience. I think they could stop him.

Onslaught and GL(John) 3 hours prep
They have no chance.

Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 houre prep
They have no chance.

Dr. Doom and Brainiac/ 2 hours prep
Very dangerous. So much tech knowledge, and Doom has taken over entire dimensions with his combination of tech and occult.
Brainiacs mind has defeated the Time-Trapper, and Doom has out-thought the Beyonder.
Pretty tall feats. I say they could stop him.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Everyone gets prep. He gets 2 hours of prep and rest between each fight. How far does he go?


Ares and Odin/ 1 1/2 hour prep
If they just go and try to out-power hi, they die. If they actually try to make use of thier thousands of years of experience, occult knowledge, artifacts and alliances, they can win.

Thanos and Darkseid/ 1 hour prep
They die.

Galactus(hungry) and Anti Monitor/ 1/2 hour prep
They kill poor Steve.

Phoenix Force and Godwave Wonder Woman/ 15 minutes prep
Strange beats them down.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Originally posted by LethalFemme
Everyone gets prep. He gets 2 hours of prep and rest between each fight. How far does he go?


Lex Luther and Captains America/ 5 hours prep
Silly. They die.

Batman and Mr. Fantastic/ 4 1/2 hours prep
Depends on what artifacts they can get thier hands on. But, that short of notice, I will say none. Unless Richards has the use of a time machine.
Too much what-if. Strange beats them.

Apocalypse and Zoom/ 4 hours prep
Silly. They die.

Loki and Dr. Fate/ 3 1/2 hours prep
Again, a lot of what-if. They could probably come up with artifacts or help from somone/something high-level. Loki is just plain dangerous. He is VERY underated. He has tons of power, knowledge and experience. I think they could stop him.

Onslaught and GL(John) 3 hours prep
They have no chance.

Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 houre prep
They have no chance.

Dr. Doom and Brainiac/ 2 hours prep
Very dangerous. So much tech knowledge, and Doom has taken over entire dimensions with his combination of tech and occult.
Brainiacs mind has defeated the Time-Trapper, and Doom has out-thought the Beyonder.
Pretty tall feats. I say they could stop him.

Originally posted by Horrificus


You seriously think all that?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Scarlet Witch and Circe/ 2/12 houre prep
They have no chance.

Scarlet Witch alone, erases Dr Strange from existence.


When Dr Strange and Xavier went looking for Wanda, she plucked Dormammu from his Realm WHILE SHE was SLEEPING, like nothing, to stop Strange from advancing.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9638/w1kq8.th.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/151/w2mu0.th.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8159/w3cw8.th.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1927/w2nq0.th.jpg


Wanda Has complete control of Reality in both Planes of existence.


Beast explains

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8301/w6el9.th.jpg


Here Wanda summons 16 Million Souls from the Realm of Death on a whim

Xavier confirming the Number
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/472/w11sx3.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1665/w7hv0.th.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7210/w8lp0.th.jpg


continues in the Next Post...

Wanda also Obliterated and Recreated the 616 Universe over TEN times.


After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg

Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg


In plain english:


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg

When Dr Strange is able to warp just a pocket Universe, he may get her attention for 5 seconds.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda also Obliterated and Recreated the 616 Universe over TEN times.


After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg

Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg


In plain english:


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg Thats from house of M right? What issues?

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Thats from house of M right? What issues?

HOM #7, and Exiles tie ins.

One more thing:

Wanda made Xavier and Strange more powerful just by them arriving at Genosha (where Wanda lived)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2752/w21gb8.th.jpg

Mr Master if you want to make your point clear at least post scans....gah! No one will take you serious if you don't...*cough*

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Mr Master if you want to make your point clear at least post scans....gah! No one will take you serious if you don't...*cough*

Originally posted by thedude1948
Stalemating the Infinite Gauntlet > Any feat of Dr. Fate

Loki is an ant compared to Strange with his artifacts.

You realize Fate pimpsmacked an Imp, right?

Originally posted by batdude123
You realize Fate pimpsmacked an Imp, right?
So Infinity Gauntlet>Imp!

Originally posted by Broly92
So Infinity Gauntlet>Imp!

He stalemated the IG for a little bit. DF actually pimpsmacked one, badly.

Originally posted by batdude123
He stalemated the IG for a little bit. DF actually pimpsmacked one, badly.
I know I thought you were comparing an Imp to the IG sorry

If Strange could simply be erased from the universe, I think some of the omnipotent beings he has fought would have done it.

Strange vs Crazy Wanda? hmm

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5222/strange1rh5.th.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/26/strange2kx5.th.jpg
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2476/strange3pe6.th.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2694/strange4dr4.th.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9069/strange5ji5.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scarlet Witch alone, erases Dr Strange from existence.


When Dr Strange and Xavier went looking for Wanda, she plucked Dormammu from his Realm WHILE SHE was SLEEPING, like nothing, to stop Strange from advancing.

I choose not to recognize X-title crap.
In another year or two, there won't even be a mutant left that hasn't become powerful enought to destroy the universe on a whim.

Terrible, terrible writing.
No, wait, thats wrong. The writing isn't terrible. It might actually be "good", if it was no long part of the MU.
Pretty soon, the X-titles will be filled with a bunch of Beyonder-level characters.
It gets boring.

Originally posted by Mr Master
One more thing:

Wanda made Xavier and Strange more powerful just by them arriving at Genosha (where Wanda lived)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2752/w21gb8.th.jpg

Thanks for your scans but, how do you think he does against the rest of the list?

Originally posted by thedude1948
If Strange could simply be erased from the universe, I think some of the omnipotent beings he has fought would have done it.

Strange vs Crazy Wanda? hmm


Those Scans you posted were from BEFORE House of M.

They were BEFORE even the House of M preludes.

Wanda had not developed her powers fully at this stage.

During the Preludes we realize she's getting stronger.

In HOM #1, is the first time Wanda shows power on a Universal scale.

In HOM #7 Strange was around her the entire issue and didn't DARE make a move against her, infact, he was distracting her, in order to give Hawkeye a sneak shot.

Even Wanda's kid, that she herself created from nothing, talks down to Strange

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4746/w24vh8.th.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5554/w25rs4.th.jpg


Dr Strange's friends are being killed right outside and Strange does Not dare to do anything about it.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/57/ipl2.th.jpg


And Wanda is controlling the whole mess subconsciously

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/149/i2qi7.th.jpg

Hawk Eye shot an arrow through Wanda's heart, and 2 seconds later its as though it never happened.

Then Wanda Remakes the Universe again, by having it blow up in her face and then Recreating it.


So again, Strange gets blinked away.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Thanks for your scans but, how do you think he does against the rest of the list?

He stops there.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Those Scans you posted were from BEFORE House of M.

They were BEFORE even the House of M preludes.

Wanda had not developed her powers fully at this stage.

During the Preludes we realize she's getting stronger.

In HOM #1, is the first time Wanda shows power on a Universal scale.

In HOM #7 Strange was around her the entire issue and didn't DARE make a move against her, infact, he was distracting her, in order to give Hawkeye a sneak shot.

Even Wanda's kid, that she herself created from nothing, talks down to Strange

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4746/w24vh8.th.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5554/w25rs4.th.jpg


Dr Strange's friends are being killed right outside and Strange does Not dare to do anything about it.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/57/ipl2.th.jpg


And Wanda is controlling the whole mess subconsciously

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/149/i2qi7.th.jpg

Hawk Eye shot an arrow through Wanda's heart, and 2 seconds later its as though it never happened.

Then Wanda Remakes the Universe again, by having it blow up in her face and then Recreating it.


So again, Strange gets blinked away.

So Either wanda is as powerful as the IG or more Powerful than The IG, or Strange stalemating the IG was pure PIS. He had even more time to prep for wanda and was scared of her. So which is it? Was wanda more powerful than the IG?

Originally posted by Mr Master
He stops there.

I know but, some have expressed that the list may be out of order so let's say he passes Wanda and Circe how do you think he'd fair against each of the remaining teams?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So Either wanda is as powerful as the IG or more so, or strange stalemating the IG was pure PIS.
Except Strange never stalemated the IG. Warlock used each gem separately. It's still impressive as hell for Strange but not the same as stalemating the full power of the IG.

Originally posted by Validus
Except Strange never stalemated the IG. Warlock used each gem separately. It's still impressive as hell for Strange but not the same as stalemating the full power of the IG.

So how come people keep saying he stalemated the IG like he fought the actual power of the IG?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So how come people keep saying he stalemated the IG like he fought the actual power of the IG?

Sweetie sometimes when someone likes a character so much they become a fanboy. Fanboys don't sleep or eat they just masturbate to their favorite character and make shit up. It's how we lost your father.weep

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Sweetie sometimes when someone likes a character so much they become a fanboy. Fanboys don't sleep or eat they just masturbate to their favorite character and make shit up. It's how we lost your father.weep

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Sweetie sometimes when someone likes a character so much they become a fanboy. Fanboys don't sleep or eat they just masturbate to their favorite character and make shit up. It's how we lost your father.weep
What she said.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Those Scans you posted were from BEFORE House of M.

They were BEFORE even the House of M preludes.

Wanda had not developed her powers fully at this stage.

During the Preludes we realize she's getting stronger.
.
.
.
.
.

So again, Strange gets blinked away.

Strange didnt have or utilize any of his artifacts during the HOM.

Also Strange gets blinked away? you mean like the times the In-betweener, Living Tribunal, and Death did?..... oh wait.....

Originally posted by Validus
Except Strange never stalemated the IG. Warlock used each gem separately. It's still impressive as hell for Strange but not the same as stalemating the full power of the IG.

yes

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Sweetie sometimes when someone likes a character so much they become a fanboy. Fanboys don't sleep or eat they just masturbate to their favorite character and make shit up. It's how we lost your father.weep

Originally posted by thedude1948
Strange didnt have or utilize any of his artifacts during the HOM.

Also Strange gets blinked away? you mean like the times the In-betweener, Living Tribunal, and Death did?..... oh wait.....

No. Just like himself.


Wanda gave every being on Earth the ability to make their Wishes become Reality.

Xavier's

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2737/w3dq4.th.jpg

Xavier thinks he's Dreaming at first

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7985/w4wg7.th.jpg

Here Gaby tells him she's existing in another Reality simultaneously, (because of Wanda)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8683/w5au3.th.jpg


Spiderman's

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8833/w18zy4.th.jpg


All the Xmen's really, but I'm not going to bother posting them all, you get the point.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3315/wanda19kr3.th.jpg


Genis-Vell's

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2424/w21lm5.th.jpg

And on and on...and Again, Wanda gave THEM the Power to shape their own Dreams, (Without THEM even noticing)


In conclusion, Wanda was undefeatable, and ended up creating a plot device, to defeat herself in the form of:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5747/l1gf8.th.jpg
Layla Miller


Layla was able to bring back the memories that Wanda took away from the World

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9613/l7em4.th.jpg


Dr Strange was one of the many, that NEEDED Layla's Help

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8194/l6bc9.th.jpg


And like I said, Wanda Created Layla Miller

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1018/lbs8.th.jpg

Wanda did effect Strange with reality warping, but they werent battling eachother at the time. In this thread they are both going head to head and Strange is given prep, a totally different scenario than HOM.

What is Wanda going to do with her 2 1/2 hrs of prep, play with her children probably. She is crazy, she admits she cant control her power, Prep is useless to her.

Strange will probably use his prep to gather all of his artifacts and talismans which makes as much of a difference as Reed Richards with or without prep in a fight.

Strange has also taken reality warping attacks in a battle that are as powerful as anything Wanda can do, and has shrugged them off.

HOM Wanda > Strange not realizing he is being attacked by her or Strange With no prep.
Strange with prep > HOM Wanda.

Ok, let's all look at what's wrong with House of M before we...well, you, Mr.Master, decide it's worth it's weight in dog farts, shall we?

#1. Strange says he can't erase minds in HoM. But, in fact, he's done it at least 30 times before.

#2. Strange is caught in an illusion. First off, impossible. You see, that little thing 'round his neck? Yeah, it makes illusions useless. But, because HoM was PIS, they didn't add that in. Eye of Agg'=Reality Gem. Believe it.

#3.Strange makes NO attempt to rewind time, yet he can on a whim.

#4.Strange hardly has 5 full sentences during the whole damn HoM! Seeing he's the worlds most powerful human, you'd think he'd at least try something, am I right?

Again, HoM is akin to the Onslaught Saga, which is doodoo. It was a plot driven comic made to try and beat Infinite Crisis in sales. Doodoo indeed.

You say Wanda's power is a universal scale, but that's small 'taters. Strange's is on a multiversal scale. Wanda has never "blinked" away a universe....but Strange HAS. An entire dimension...gone because he was pissed.

Originally posted by Mr Master
When Dr Strange is able to warp just a pocket Universe, he may get her attention for 5 seconds.
Pardon? Pocket Dimensions? Strange has pocket dimensions inside each one of his cells. He creates them just for things like shunting people.

Originally posted by Validus
Except Strange never stalemated the IG. Warlock used each gem separately. It's still impressive as hell for Strange but not the same as stalemating the full power of the IG.
He did both. He stalemated each gem and then stalemated all of them together.

If Strange had prep against Uber Wanda, he'd win or at least stalemate. Why? Because she is very powerful, but not very talented. He'd end up out battling her and making her destroy herself, or at the very least steal her power like he has infinites and even Eternity.

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, let's all look at what's wrong with House of M before we...well, you, Mr.Master, decide it's worth it's weight in dog farts, shall we?

#1. Strange says he can't erase minds in HoM. But, in fact, he's done it at least 30 times before.

#2. Strange is caught in an illusion. First off, impossible. You see, that little thing 'round his neck? Yeah, it makes illusions useless. But, because HoM was PIS, they didn't add that in. Eye of Agg'=Reality Gem. Believe it.

#3.Strange makes NO attempt to rewind time, yet he can on a whim.

#4.Strange hardly has 5 full sentences during the whole damn HoM! Seeing he's the worlds most powerful human, you'd think he'd at least try something, am I right?

Again, HoM is akin to the Onslaught Saga, which is doodoo. It was a plot driven comic made to try and beat Infinite Crisis in sales. Doodoo indeed.

You say Wanda's power is a universal scale, but that's small 'taters. Strange's is on a multiversal scale. Wanda has never "blinked" away a universe....but Strange HAS. An entire dimension...gone because he was pissed.


Pardon? Pocket Dimensions? Strange has pocket dimensions inside each one of his cells. He creates them just for things like shunting people.


He did both. He stalemated each gem and then stalemated all of them together.

If Strange had prep against Uber Wanda, he'd win or at least stalemate. Why? Because she is very powerful, but not very talented. He'd end up out battling her and making her destroy herself, or at the very least steal her power like he has infinites and even Eternity.

Didn't you say so yourself if it's HoM Wanda he loses?

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Didn't you say so yourself if it's HoM Wanda he loses? No, if it's SW and Circe he probably loses.

Strange DID beat Uber Wanda before anyways, he beat her during the time she was changing the planet around. HoM Wanda beats anyone because of the fact the writers were in a hurry to finish and comic, not trying to know Strange.

Originally posted by long pig
No, if it's SW and Circe he probably loses.

Strange DID beat Uber Wanda before anyways, he beat her during the time she was changing the planet around. HoM Wanda beats anyone because of the fact the writers were in a hurry to finish and comic, not trying to know Strange.

Okay but, when you originally posted you never said probably if it was HoM SW you just said he loses but, you said he for sure loses at Odin. Either way how do you think he does against each team after Odin?

Originally posted by thedude1948
Wanda did effect Strange with reality warping, but they werent battling eachother at the time. In this thread they are both going head to head and Strange is given prep, a totally different scenario than HOM.

Not exactly.


Strange's Magic has NO effect on Wanda.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3221/w43ch7.th.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1888/w44zq6.th.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3057/w45mk1.th.jpg


Strange had Prep and his enchanted ITEMS during HOM

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7766/w40vf6.th.jpg

It did him little good...


"My DUTIES as Master of the Mystic Arts, to Protect this World from an Attack like This"

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2798/w39tv1.th.jpg
"I FAILED Completely"


Even when he employed Spells, they would Not work to his design

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3797/w41gw6.th.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6939/w42ep2.th.jpg

That's Wanda controlling HIS Power.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9638/w1kq8.th.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/151/w2mu0.th.jpg

Originally posted by thedude1948
What is Wanda going to do with her 2 1/2 hrs of prep, play with her children probably. She is crazy, she admits she cant control her power, Prep is useless to her.

Maybe she'll just explode the Universe on top of Strange's head, and make another one a Second later where the Doctor does not exist.

"What's happening on 616"
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1783/w20sp4.th.jpg

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



Originally posted by thedude1948
Strange will probably use his prep to gather all of his artifacts and talismans which makes as much of a difference as Reed Richards with or without prep in a fight.

As I showed you Strange had his toys, they didn't help him one bit.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Strange has also taken reality warping attacks in a battle that are as powerful as anything Wanda can do, and has shrugged them off.

When has Strange shrugged off a blast that can erase the Universe?


Originally posted by thedude1948
HOM Wanda > Strange not realizing he is being attacked by her or Strange With no prep.
Strange with prep > HOM Wanda.

I think I proved Wanda blinks, and a New Reality appears and Strange isn't part of it.

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, let's all look at what's wrong with House of M before we...well, you, Mr.Master, decide it's worth it's weight in dog farts, shall we?

I can tell you right from the get, nothing you said here made me raise a brow.

We shall...

Originally posted by long pig
#1. Strange says he can't erase minds in HoM. But, in fact, he's done it at least 30 times before.

Never read that.

And actually it was Strange along with Emma who protected a few heroes from losing their memories

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1184/w38nj4.th.jpg


Originally posted by long pig
#2. Strange is caught in an illusion. First off, impossible. You see, that little thing 'round his neck? Yeah, it makes illusions useless. But, because HoM was PIS, they didn't add that in. Eye of Agg'=Reality Gem. Believe it.

Illusion?

And maybe that "little thing" doesn't protect him against Wanda's Power or influence.


Originally posted by long pig
#3.Strange makes NO attempt to rewind time, yet he can on a whim.

Strange's Magic had NO affect on Wanda or her Powers, so he couldn't re-write what she made into Reality.


Originally posted by long pig
#4.Strange hardly has 5 full sentences during the whole damn HoM! Seeing he's the worlds most powerful human, you'd think he'd at least try something, am I right?


How long has it been since you read HOM?

Strange is an integral part of the story.

Remember there are many Tie ins. (You must of missed those)


Originally posted by long pig
Again, HoM is akin to the Onslaught Saga, which is doodoo. It was a plot driven comic made to try and beat Infinite Crisis in sales. Doodoo indeed.

Ok...

Your opinion.


Originally posted by long pig
You say Wanda's power is a universal scale, but that's small 'taters. Strange's is on a multiversal scale.



Show me where Strange has ever affected Universes simultaneously?

Tell me the issue, I'll post the scans for you, since I have every appearance made by Strange in Marvel scanned.

He happens to be one of my favorite characters.

Originally posted by long pig
Wanda has never "blinked" away a universe....

Actually she Destroyed and Remade the 616 Universe nearly 10 times during HOM.

After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg

Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg

That's correct, a Flash....and a New Universe appears

This is one of almost Ten times.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


Originally posted by long pig
but Strange HAS. An entire dimension...gone because he was pissed.

Again, direct me to the issues where Strange is rubbing out Universes?

Or do you mean something extremely smaller using that term, "dimension"?


Originally posted by long pig
Pardon? Pocket Dimensions? Strange has pocket dimensions inside each one of his cells. He creates them just for things like shunting people.

Pocket dimesions are FAR smaller than pocket Universes.

Strange has Never created a Universe or a pocket Universe.


Originally posted by long pig
He did both. He stalemated each gem and then stalemated all of them together.

Dude, you must be joking.

You need to refresh your memory on that.


Cropping the Scans as we interact.

Originally posted by long pig
If Strange had prep against Uber Wanda, he'd win or at least stalemate. Why? Because she is very powerful, but not very talented. He'd end up out battling her and making her destroy herself, or at the very least steal her power like he has infinites and even Eternity.

Pure Speculation.

On Panel his Power had Zero affect on Wanda.

In fact Wanda was controlling his Power, and Wanda was even making him more powerful than he usualy is.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2752/w21gb8.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
In conclusion, Wanda was undefeatable, and ended up creating a plot device, to defeat herself in the form of:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5747/l1gf8.th.jpg
Layla Miller


Layla was able to bring back the memories that Wanda took away from the World

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9613/l7em4.th.jpg


Dr Strange was one of the many, that NEEDED Layla's Help

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8194/l6bc9.th.jpg


And like I said, Wanda Created Layla Miller

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1018/lbs8.th.jpg
Quick thing here. Wanda didn't create Layla. She existed prior to HOM as seen in X-Factor.

Originally posted by Validus
Quick thing here. Wanda didn't create Layla. She existed prior to HOM as seen in X-Factor.


I should have cleared that up, for the meticulous.


This isn't the original Layla Miller, it's a creation of Wanda's


The Original Layla is a psychic, Wanda's Layla is operating with whole New Power

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7631/w1dd1.th.jpg
"Your Psychic Powers, are psychic but Not psychic, Not like anything I've ever seen"


"Girly WHAT are you?"....."She AIN'T Human"

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8707/l8nv8.th.jpg
"I never felt anything like that"....."None of us have"


This isn't surprising, during her Universal warps (almost 10) Heroes were appearing and disappearing

Like Captain America, who Never became CA

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/581/w2dl3.th.jpg


The long dead Groucho Marx was the Mayor of Phoenix Arizona


So everytime she warped creation, anything was possible....

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, let's all look at what's wrong with House of M before we...well, you, Mr.Master, decide it's worth it's weight in dog farts, shall we?

#1. Strange says he can't erase minds in HoM. But, in fact, he's done it at least 30 times before.

#2. Strange is caught in an illusion. First off, impossible. You see, that little thing 'round his neck? Yeah, it makes illusions useless. But, because HoM was PIS, they didn't add that in. Eye of Agg'=Reality Gem. Believe it.

#3.Strange makes NO attempt to rewind time, yet he can on a whim.

#4.Strange hardly has 5 full sentences during the whole damn HoM! Seeing he's the worlds most powerful human, you'd think he'd at least try something, am I right?

Again, HoM is akin to the Onslaught Saga, which is doodoo. It was a plot driven comic made to try and beat Infinite Crisis in sales. Doodoo indeed.

You say Wanda's power is a universal scale, but that's small 'taters. Strange's is on a multiversal scale. Wanda has never "blinked" away a universe....but Strange HAS. An entire dimension...gone because he was pissed.


Pardon? Pocket Dimensions? Strange has pocket dimensions inside each one of his cells. He creates them just for things like shunting people.


He did both. He stalemated each gem and then stalemated all of them together.

If Strange had prep against Uber Wanda, he'd win or at least stalemate. Why? Because she is very powerful, but not very talented. He'd end up out battling her and making her destroy herself, or at the very least steal her power like he has infinites and even Eternity.

I agree with... um, agree with... Mr. Pig.

From what I understand theres only one Layla. Wanda just altered her powerset to what we saw in HOM.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I should have cleared that up, for the meticulous.


This isn't the original Layla Miller, it's a creation of Wanda's


The Original Layla is a psychic, Wanda's Layla is operating with whole New Power

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7631/w1dd1.th.jpg
"Your Psychic Powers, are psychic but Not psychic, Not like anything I've ever seen"


"Girly WHAT are you?"....."She AIN'T Human"

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8707/l8nv8.th.jpg
"I never felt anything like that"....."None of us have"


This isn't surprising, during her Universal warps (almost 10) Heroes were appearing and disappearing

Like Captain America, who Never became CA

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/581/w2dl3.th.jpg


The long dead Groucho Marx was the Mayor of Phoenix Arizona


So everytime she warped creation, anything was possible....

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

Alas, Mr. Master, you have been swayed by lies, deceptions and illusions of the X-titles.

It is truly a shame that you are not on the side of "Good".

Hehe.

nevermind

Originally posted by Validus
From what I understand theres only one Layla. Wanda just altered her powerset to what we saw in HOM.

What's your take on this?

First and for most, you seem to forget that Wanda had years of prep while her PIS power somehow seeped into everything. Any magic user with prep is a threat to a world and I can guarantee you if Strange had that amount of time, he could have done the exact same thing...but better.


Obviously.



That's another PIS moment. Strange needs no Emma, he's her superior in telepathy. Again, bad writing for a bad comic.





Little thing?

Please, it's one of the most powerful objects in all the universe. It's power over illusions and minds is infinite.

Gateway, the mutant from Australia...his power was enough to see through her illusions without even trying. Check out the Hulk tie-in.

Gateway>Wanda?





That's the thing you're not getting. There is NO reason WHY his power didn't work on her. None. Zip. His power has worked on beings 10x her power....oh wait, that wasn't a massive x-over when he faught Dormammu or IB or Shuma or the Infinites or Marvel's Satan or LT. The list goes on.

His power not working on her is pure PIS, why? Because Strange in top shape would have ended this before it began.



ROM#24 I believe.

Plus, you realize he gets his power from countless other universes of the multiverse, correct?




Then you should know these things.




Such massive bullshit.


The universe inside the dimensions. A pocket dimension can be larger than our dimension.

But all in all, Strange with prep would at LEAST stalemate crazy Wanda if it was written correctly. Written correctly mean: Taking into account the character's history of feats and NOT cropping powers to make the comic sale.

I won't lie, she's very powerful, a bit more powerful than he, but no where near as smart or as skilled in using such power.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
What's your take on this?
I'll just agree with lp. I don't know shit about Strange and I'm not about to pretend to.

Originally posted by Validus
I'll just agree with lp. I don't know shit about Strange and I'm not about to pretend to. don't take Strange Seriously he pulls to many shit out of his ass.

Anything goes

Originally posted by Validus
I'll just agree with lp. I don't know shit about Strange and I'm not about to pretend to.

So you're pretty much useless?ermm

Originally posted by LethalFemme
So you're pretty much useless?ermm nice sig , banna , whatever u want to call it

Originally posted by LethalFemme
So you're pretty much useless?ermm
Yeah. Generally I don't like to debate mages.

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah. Generally I don't like to debate mages. what happend Lucid?

Originally posted by kgkg
nice sig , banna , whatever u want to call it

I like your too btw where is skeets I miss his ass?

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah. Generally I don't like to debate mages.

That's still better than what I do.

Originally posted by kgkg
what happend Lucid?
Everyone keeps asking.

He's on vacation. I'm carrying the Aquaman torch in the meantime.

have you guys read Dr Strange part 01 of the Oath yet?

He is listening to what u guys call it Gangster hipidihop music

Originally posted by Validus
Everyone keeps asking.

He's on vacation. I'm carrying the Aquaman torch in the meantime.

Who's everyone?

Originally posted by kgkg
He is listening to what u guys call it Gangster hipidihop music

hipidihop music? You're a loser.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
hipidihop music? You're a loser.

Thats what all the girls tell me.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Who's everyone?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/superdante/f2ad9bdf8b1bd4537718f89ac74a2842.gif

Originally posted by Validus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/superdante/f2ad9bdf8b1bd4537718f89ac74a2842.gif Zomg WCW

Originally posted by kgkg


Thats what all the girls tell me.

petpet

Originally posted by Validus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/superdante/f2ad9bdf8b1bd4537718f89ac74a2842.gif

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that.

Originally posted by Validus
From what I understand theres only one Layla. Wanda just altered her powerset to what we saw in HOM.

We could debate it, if Dr Strange would have not made it so clear.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1018/lbs8.th.jpg


Spiderman's X that died, Gwen, came back to life like so many others, her own children were created by her (without conception ) and she was able to channel her power through them.

It was one of her little boys that broke Hawkeye up into little blocks.

Why would Layla be any different?

She recreated everyone else practically.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why would Layla be any different?

Because a different writer retconned her history after HOM?

Originally posted by Validus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/superdante/f2ad9bdf8b1bd4537718f89ac74a2842.gif
Dude, that's ....goddamned sexy.

I like how the ref is standing there wishing he could jump in on that hot action. You can tell he's thinking "Should I?"

Originally posted by Validus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/superdante/f2ad9bdf8b1bd4537718f89ac74a2842.gif UW had Hogans number.

Originally posted by long pig
First and for most, you seem to forget that Wanda had years of prep while her PIS power somehow seeped into everything.

What are you talking about it?


She went insane, killed Avengers, that transitioned into the Preludes in Excalibur where her power grew gradually.

HOM #1, she Destroys and Remakes the 616 Reality.

Period.


Originally posted by long pig
Any magic user with prep is a threat to a world and I can guarantee you if Strange had that amount of time, he could have done the exact same thing...but better.

Pure Speculation


Originally posted by long pig
Obviously.

Obviously it doesn't exist.


Originally posted by long pig
That's another PIS moment. Strange needs no Emma, he's her superior in telepathy. Again, bad writing for a bad comic.

Blame everything on the writing, and dismiss the Fact that Wanda was FAR more powerful than Strange.


Originally posted by long pig
Little thing?

Please, it's one of the most powerful objects in all the universe. It's power over illusions and minds is infinite.

Gateway, the mutant from Australia...his power was enough to see through her illusions without even trying. Check out the Hulk tie-in.

Gateway>Wanda?

Whatever,

Strange used ALL of his Artifacts as ONE against Warlock, and Warlcok was ONLY using the Power Gem seperately from the rest, and still he would of been ERASED in Two more Panels.


ALL of THEM Together as ONE
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3659/s6cx9.th.jpg


"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4613/s7it8.th.jpg

SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!


Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/56/s8yh0.th.jpg


Warlock begins to see his Future

This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, Destroying me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg


The Power Gem.

Now if you believe the Power Gem (Alone) is even remotely close to a being that can Re-write the Universe with a whim, were done.

Originally posted by long pig
That's the thing you're not getting. There is NO reason WHY his power didn't work on her. None. Zip. His power has worked on beings 10x her power....oh wait, that wasn't a massive x-over when he faught Dormammu or IB or Shuma or the Infinites or Marvel's Satan or LT. The list goes on.

What your not getting is how powerful Wanda was.

Dormammu?

Wanda extracted him from his own dimension, and sicked him on Strange.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8159/w3cw8.th.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1927/w2nq0.th.jpg


Shuma?

Pocket dimension at best.

Infinites?

When and where?

LT?




Lets put this fantasy to rest:


LT was never trying to harm Strange, he was testing him to see if he had it in him to save the Planet Earth before LT Erased it.


This is the big wow of the issue for Strange, he breaks free from the Rings of Raggadorr that LT trapped him in.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3640/s3ba0.th.jpg


LT here gives Strange another Test, he's Not trying to Harm him in anyway

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3962/s4ey4.th.jpg
"Let it then be the Final TEST of my Powers"


Strange says about LT....."I sense a Boundless Force"

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3045/s2dw7.th.jpg


So LT sends Dr Strange on his mission or else...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1761/s5wz2.th.jpg


Let's not kid ourselves,

Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6752/s1ro8.th.jpg

Originally posted by long pig
His power not working on her is pure PIS, why?

PIS, because she's just too Powerful for him.

Is this the only counter?

Originally posted by long pig
Because Strange in top shape would have ended this before it began.

More Speculation.


Originally posted by long pig
ROM#24 I believe.

Please my friend, point out the page for me, where Strange is affecting Universes simultaneously.

Lest I post the entire issue so you can show me.


Originally posted by long pig
Plus, you realize he gets his power from countless other universes of the multiverse, correct?

No, I did not know Strange gets his Power from "countless other universes"

He called on Eternity (one Universe) once, but he did not have his Power.


Originally posted by long pig
Such massive bullshit.

Dr Strange being a match for LT in ANY way, is Bull shit for sure.


NOW, Wanda Re-Creating the 616 Reality nearly Ten times, is NOT.

"What's happening on 616"
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1783/w20sp4.th.jpg


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg


Originally posted by long pig
The universe inside the dimensions. A pocket dimension can be larger than our dimension.

So now you have Strange making Universes bigger than 616 Eternity.

And yet the Power Gem which is FAR FAR below a Universal destroyer Owns him.

Originally posted by long pig
But all in all, Strange with prep would at LEAST stalemate crazy Wanda if it was written correctly. Written correctly mean: Taking into account the character's history of feats and NOT cropping powers to make the comic sale.

Strange has never done anything to resemble the Power of destroying a Universe (616 UNIVERSE that is)

and Remaking it a Second later in any way one wishes.


Originally posted by long pig
I won't lie, she's very powerful, a bit more powerful than he, but no where near as smart or as skilled in using such power.

Don't need much smarts to think the Universe is not there, and it happens.

"Dr Strange your not there"

"Dr Strange?"

"Stephen?"

Originally posted by Mr Master

Whatever,

Strange used ALL of his Artifacts as ONE against Warlock, and Warlcok was ONLY using the Power Gem seperately from the rest, and still he would of been ERASED in Two more Panels.


ALL of THEM Together as ONE

"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"

SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!


Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem

Warlock begins to see his Future

This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, Destroying me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"

The Power Gem.

Now if you believe the Power Gem (Alone) is even remotely close to a being that can Re-write the Universe with a whim, were done.
....

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8252/ig10bk.th.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6906/ig22xt.th.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6981/ig41up.th.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6981/ig41up.th.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3861/ig58iz.th.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5825/ig67se.th.jpg

Doesnt look like he was just using the power gem......

If Strange were an equal of the IG you'd think he would have done a little more against Thanos while he was in possession of it instead of not entering the battle and letting earth's heroes and the cosmics get their ass kicked.

Originally posted by long pig
Dude, that's ....goddamned sexy.

I like how the ref is standing there wishing he could jump in on that hot action. You can tell he's thinking "Should I?"

...um, uh, yes... "Mr. Pig". Um...sexy.



hehe

Great.
I'm glad we all agree that the entire storyline dealing with Wanda should be ignored!
Excellent.
Let's move on.

Wanda manipulating Dormammu? Good God!
What's next, Cypher vs. the Vishanti?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not exactly.


Strange's Magic has NO effect on Wanda.

Strange had Prep and his enchanted ITEMS during HOM
Look at the context of the scan... They were talking about if Strange could help her recover, he said he couldnt, that doesnt mean that his magic has no effect on Wanda..


Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange had Prep and his enchanted ITEMS during HOM no he didnt..


Originally posted by Mr Master
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7766/w40vf6.th.jpg


It did him little good...

..... this scan isnt even from the HOM, it is the prelude....

Originally posted by Mr Master
Even when he employed Spells, they would Not work to his design

That's Wanda controlling HIS Power.

Wanda wasnt controlling his power this whole scene was an illusion also... Magneto was manipulating Wanda at the time too.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6285/xstrangepre3zl6.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
What your not getting is how powerful Wanda was.

Dormammu?

Wanda extracted him from his own dimension, and sicked him on Strange. This wasnt even real..... it happened when Strange and Prof. X were going through Prof. X memories, it was an illusion, and this was also from Magneto manipulating Wanda.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8935/xstrangepre1cx4.th.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6391/xstrangepre2er1.th.jpg
Originally posted by Mr Master
One more thing:

Wanda made Xavier and Strange more powerful just by them arriving at Genosha (where Wanda lived)

Actually just Xavier, it was never stated that Strange was getting more powerful.

Also, do you have any proof that The Wanda became anymore powerful from the time of Avengers Dissassembled to the HOM? I dont ever remember reading anything that stated she gained power....

This deabte really does deserve its own thread.
If i made it, woudl you guys Conitnue it there? (HOM Scarlet Witch vs Dr Strange w/prep)

Originally posted by Validus
Because a different writer retconned her history after HOM?

But how does that dismiss what happened in HOM?

One writer retconned the entire HOM series because of Layla Miller?

I say this because to change Layla Miller's history during HOM, is to change the events that took place in HOM, Layla was a huge integral part of the story.

Actually just like Captain America is himself again and Gwen is dead again, and Hulk is normal like so many others,

when Wanda remade Reality for the last time she put everything back in place except for the Mutant's Powers of many, which are no more.

Originally posted by Wally West
If Strange were an equal of the IG you'd think he would have done a little more against Thanos while he was in possession of it instead of not entering the battle and letting earth's heroes and the cosmics get their ass kicked.

Strange is a joke, next to the IG.


The Dr himself said,

"Compared to the Infinity Gems even being Sorcerer Supreme is like being a School-Crossing Guard"
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9420/s1ha4.th.jpg

Originally posted by thedude1948
Doesnt look like he was just using the power gem......

Ok lets start with this.


Warlock Never tried to hurt Strange, he was trying to convince him to concede to his PLAN of eradicating ALL Evil from the Universe.


So he used the Gems on Strange, INDIVIDUALLY (ONE by ONE) ON THEIR OWN!


Time Gem:

First: Warlock tries to make him see his PLAN in the Future.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4307/s2hi5.th.jpg
"but IF TIME will Not make You reconsider Your Opposition to my Scheme"


Space Gem:

Second: Warlock sends him deep in Space (into darkness), to scare Strange
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6199/s3qt8.th.jpg
"Then if Time and Space hold No TERRORS for you" (he only mentioned Time because he had just used it before, check the issue if you wish)


Reality Gem:

Third: Warlock warps the Reality around them, attempting to mess with their senses
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9317/s4mw5.th.jpg
"How do you Reason Out a defense, when Reason itself shift its stance?"


Mind Gem:

Fourth: Warlock uses the Mind
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5918/s5rv5.th.jpg
"If my MIND GEM cannot seduce you from your purpose, THEN...I will Strike at You"


The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)


Power Gem:

"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3659/s6cx9.th.jpg
"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"


"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4613/s7it8.th.jpg
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon" (I thought You said it wasn't only the Power Gem) --- whoops ---


SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!


Soul Gem:

Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/56/s8yh0.th.jpg
"it is the one (Soul Gem) through which I can possibly REACH his inner being"


Strange tells Warlock of the Future, and Warlock sees that it is true

This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg


Warlock ALWAYS Knew the outcome of this drama
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5962/s10by0.th.jpg

It was ONLY the Power Gem vs ALL of Dr Strange's TALISMANS,

AND

Strange would of been "DESTROYED" had the struggle lasted any longer than what was it? Oh yes, more than Two Panels.


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There are only TWO instances in that issue where Warlock uses his True Power.


Here he completely overwrites Dr Strange's ability, when evoking Oshtur's name (One of the Three Vishanti)
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4494/s13ro5.th.jpg


Here Warlock is juggling the Solar System at an incredible speed, without harming anything
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9074/s11xy9.th.jpg

He puts the Solar System back into Orbit like nothing
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9195/s12fb5.th.jpg


yawn

Let us proceed, I see you have more.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Great.
I'm glad we all agree that the entire storyline dealing with Wanda should be ignored!

Spoke to soon daddy.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Look at the context of the scan... They were talking about if Strange could help her recover, he said he couldnt, that doesnt mean that his magic has no effect on Wanda..

Yes.


Originally posted by thedude1948
no he didnt..

Yes he did.


Originally posted by thedude1948
this scan isnt even from the HOM, it is the prelude....


HOM PRELUDE

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7226/hlp9.th.jpg

Ever heard of Tie ins/crossovers?

They count too.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Wanda wasnt controlling his power this whole scene was an illusion also... Magneto was manipulating Wanda at the time too.

Wrong.


Dr Strange and Xavier were at Genosha, that was all happening, it began as a cleansing of Xavier's mind before reaching their destination.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3984/h1iu0.th.jpg



Originally posted by thedude1948
This wasnt even real..... it happened when Strange and Prof. X were going through Prof. X memories, it was an illusion, and this was also from Magneto manipulating Wanda.

Explained right above.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Actually just Xavier, it was never stated that Strange was getting more powerful.

Not specifically like in Xavier's case,

But if Wanda gave Genis-Vell the ability to blink the Universe in and out of existence, and tear Time and Space in Two, it stands to reason that everyone's Power was increased.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Also, do you have any proof that The Wanda became anymore powerful from the time of Avengers Dissassembled to the HOM? I dont ever remember reading anything that stated she gained power....

Well you had no proof that Strange could stand up to the Power Gem, let alone the IG, yet you posted a bunch of Scans as though I was wrong.

You'l have your proof, have to crop scans now, just for your viewing pleasure.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You'l have your proof, have to crop scans now, just for your viewing pleasure. What scans from HOM will you be posting mr m?

Originally posted by Galan777
What scans from HOM will you be posting mr m?

No big deal,

just showing this guy that when Wanda killed those Avengers she was not as powerful as when the HOM series began, Preludes and all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No big deal,

just showing this guy that when Wanda killed those Avengers she was not as powerful as when the HOM series began, Preludes and all. When Wanda was in HOM her strength FAR exceded any of her previous versions, there is no way to argue that.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
This deabte really does deserve its own thread.
If i made it, woudl you guys Conitnue it there? (HOM Scarlet Witch vs Dr Strange w/prep)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t424747.html


everyone that was debateing hom scarlet witch vs strange go here!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t424747.html

Sorry Extramision, this is my last post on the matter.


Ok

I made a mistake when I posted a Reply to this:
Originally posted by thedude1948
Wanda wasnt controlling his power this whole scene was an illusion also... Magneto was manipulating Wanda at the time too.

This wasnt even real..... it happened when Strange and Prof. X were going through Prof. X memories, it was an illusion, and this was also from Magneto manipulating Wanda.



Sorry about that Scan, it does not prove that ALL of the events inside Xavier's mind were Real.

A Reality in his mind.


These are the appropriate Scans:


Magneto was manipulating Wanda, to Create a Reality inside Xavier's mind that was connected to the Real World
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5554/j2ct5.th.jpg
In this Reality, Magneto wanted Xavier to Kill Him and his Daughter (thus dying in the Real World)


"If Magneto truly wants you to Stop him, he certainly isn't making things easy"
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6851/j3xd9.th.jpg


Strange had his "bag of Tricks" with him by the way.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9251/j14rz7.th.jpg
"the ALL-Seeing Eye of Agamotto"


"If this is ALL Inside my head, can that Trinket Work"?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3258/j13tl3.th.jpg
"The EYE and I are Not BOUND by Human...Limitations"


This isn't La La Land, it's a Reality in another plane of existence inside Xavier's mind created by Wanda.



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It's a Reality "designed around (Xavier's) memories and limitations"
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2166/j4nn4.th.jpg
Xavier says, "we need to Change the Rules & cut straight to the chase"


Strange replies, "I have a Spell that SHOULD Work wondefully"
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1219/wgq2.th.jpg
Only it doesn't, it can't, it won't, Wanda is in charge.


"This is as Far as I can go"
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4764/cgq9.th.jpg
"Whatever Magneto and his child have Planned, I'm Not to be part of it"


Dormammu says, "I Know Not by WHAT Power you have Brought me to THIS Place"
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1250/j8rr3.th.jpg

Why would an illusion be aware of itself?


Actually even the Writer says, "ONLY the Power of the Scarlet Witch could have BROUGHT Dormammu HERE
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1927/w2nq0.th.jpg


"Assuming Magneto (by Manipulating Wanda) is DEFINING this Scenario"
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7333/j5rn9.th.jpg
"He can't decide whether it's best to Save his Daughter or Sacrifice her"

How can he Kill her in a Reality of "illusions"?


Here Gaby tells him she's existing in the Real World simultaneously
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8683/w5au3.th.jpg


How can an "illusion" rationalize its own existence?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1513/j9bn9.th.jpg



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This is also odd,

Here Xavier is close putting a bullet in Mr Sinister's face, Sinister seems confident at first
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/873/j11nh5.th.jpg


But when it seems he might Really Die, he shows Fear and begins to actually SWEAT,
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1181/j12rh0.th.jpg
Xavier still thinks it isn't real though.

How can an "illusion" fear for it's Life?


Magneto (by manipulating Wanda) finally allows Xavier to reach him
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2662/j7es2.th.jpg
"However it is Your Manipulating Her, you're done"

This is obviously NO "illusion"


So the question is, what was the point of all this?
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7229/jdk0.th.jpg


"This is Your Solution? Helping Her retreat into a fantasy"
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6194/b1mp7.th.jpg
"While I put a Bullet in Her Brain"?


Magneto summoned Xavier to KILL his Daughter Wanda while she slept.

Wanda, the "illusion"

It'd take up a lot less space if you pasted the scans as just links y'know?

Originally posted by Accel
It'd take up a lot less space if you pasted the scans as just links y'know?

Nah,

Many don't use the links, the pretty thumbnail makes you click, and I want them to click, I want them to see I'm just telling it like it is.

I make mistakes, and I'm also right,

we learn as we go...

That whole scene with Xavier was meant to be ambiguous until the end when Strange said "My spell has run its course." The whole thing was because of Strange's spell.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3984/h1iu0.th.jpg

It was not clearly an illusion until the end. The last page was the only real part in the whole issue

Originally posted by thedude1948
That whole scene with Xavier was meant to be ambiguous until the end when Strange said "My spell has run its course." The whole thing was because of Strange's spell. It was not clearly an illusion until the end. The last page was the only real part in the whole issue


Dude, read the Scan,

Xavier says, "WERE BACK"

Strange replies, "On Genosha, Yes, my spell has run it's course"

Where were they?

And why would the Writer add, "ONLY the Power of the Scarlet Witch Could bring Dormammu HERE"?


Read my take in the above scans...