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The UEF decides to send a supreme commander to the planet of Auir to conquer the planet to set up a stronghold in a coming invasion of the entire SC universe. The protoss, terrans and Zerg have analyzed this threat and decide to form an allegiance in order to counter this threat in its early stages. The Supreme Commander has about an hour and a half worths of preparation to prepare for the counter attack forces. The planet cannot be destroyed as it proves valuable somehow to both sides. who wins?

Well... this depends on what point the races are at. The protoss have been devistated, as well as the terrans, so they have very little forces. The zerg have multiple billions, however.

This is before the Zerg had discovered the homeworld of Aiur.

oh, hm..tough battle in my opinion.

the Supreme commander wins, its many times larger than anything in starcraft, its equiped with a supposedly infinate stash of nuklear missles and the thing itself can take many nuke blasts, at the same time the thing can teleport and thats just supreme commander himself

with one hour he can build an entire base of enormous robots, anti air cannos, battle ships, aircraft and perhaps even super untis like the Atlantis and Mobile tank factory, your not gonner beat this guy soon

You can do that in starcraft tp

Originally posted by Blax X
You can do that in starcraft tp

do what it starcraft

I assume that he means that starcraft is capable of stocking nukes, teleporting and building units etc.

Originally posted by doan_m
I assume that he means that starcraft is capable of stocking nukes, teleporting and building units etc.

Starcraft in real life cannot build an army as big as Supreme commanders in an hour of real time, in game time yes, but in an hour, starcraft people couldnt even get a command center up let alone anything else, they build using welding technology sort of thing and their troops are taken from prisons and trained over a period

also they have to build Nukes, Sup Commander simply has them, a lot of them.....and they keep coming because he has the technology called Nano lathing, which is what allows him to build such a large army in an hour or less...

either way i think Starcraft is pwned, they cannot survive the UEF might, their lucky its not the Aeons, they have 400ft tall robots with huge laser cannons and enormous independance day like Ships

LOL for a whole time I was thinking - Are they talking about the ship from Starfox?!

One thing, Protoss Main fleet. The Protoss are highley advanced. Their carriers are not 400ft tall they're like a mile long. Now picture several hundred, if not thousand of these mile long carriers with multipile fighters... Arbiters to cloak, Psionic storms.

Several trillion Zerg forces who defeated a race, the Xel'Naga, who were far more advanced than the Surpeme Commanders are in their most infant stage...

A bunch of Terran BC and the troops. The Battle Cruisers could yamato cannon stuff to death and they have all the nukes they want too...

Sorry, Star Craft wins. Both beceause they're simply too many of them, and the Protoss wouldn't be inferior much if at all to the Supreme Commander...

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
One thing, Protoss Main fleet. The Protoss are highley advanced.
Just saying their highly advanced proves absolutely nothing. The supreme commander literally builds Kilometer sized tanks in under a few minutes out of nothing but energy. Now thats a point about advance.

So what of it? Supreme commanders usually have to contend with independence day sized ships.
Oh yes i'm imagining it. I'm also imagining them all getting shot down by seriously over the top missile spam.


Again just saying their advanced does not prove anything. And trillions of zerg can meet the receiving end of layered nuclear fire. Or simply enough, multi kilometer tank spam. You do know the smallest unit in SupCom measures to 4 meters tall right?


A bunch of Terran BC and the troops. The amount of time they take to charge the damn thing is more then enough time to shoot down the BC's.

YOu dont think realisticley do you? A SupCom would kick one armies ass, but the combined armies of the three most powerful races in the galaxy united. They'd just overpower them by sheer numbers.

Saying they are highly advanced IS something. Seeing as the carriers can survive a yamato cannon easily, a focused nuclear blast into a beam, as well as their shields. Plus the fact that they DONT need to MAKE anything, they just warp them into battle.

One note, Carries can survive medium-yield nuclear warheads...

That is the worst amount of bullshit I've ever seen. One thing, the SupCom dosen't have enoguh nukes to simultaniously nuke several trillion troops, some of which would need more than one nuke to take down. SupCom cant "spam" enough missiles off in time before he gets melted into slag. Think realistically, he dosen't have several million missile launchers, which is about what he'd need.

His nukes wouldn't hit the BC, which would be in orbit, before they dropped several hundred of their own, and their Yamato takes only about 6 seconds to charge, more than enough time to shoot and evade the nukes, which would take several minutes to reach high orbit.

You cant nuke a storm...it's not a physical being or entity, it's a storm.

You didn't think that through did you?

One more thing, the zerg protoss and terran aren't going to attack him with one army at a time. They'll send them all in an a coordinated attack plan. Your SupCom is toast bud.

We really don't know anything about the commander canon wise. And we know next to nothing of the UEF's capabilities with regards to personnel and technology. Didn't they send an expeditionary force in Brood War? And didn't it get wiped out?

By trillions oif zerg, and that was after the force suceeded in taking down the entire terran empire.

starcraft wins due to amount of people

OK...ONE Zerg army completely blacked out a planet from sight in space. COMPLETELY, enough of them to BLOCK the planet from view. Now multiply that times about five hundred. Plus, a fleet of HIGHLY advanced (yes that does matter I dont know how you get the idea technology dosen't matter) Protoss warships with the task of guarding several hundred if not thousnad planets in the galaxy all converged into one spot... Now picture a Human fleet of equal size...

He'd have enough nukes to take out maybe...10% of that in his initial volley, in which the concentrated fire from above in retaliation could easly blast a hole through the planets crust. You said we cant destory the planet. If your dude used that many nukes, one ,he'd destory the planet, and two, he'd kill his own army. Then all the armies of the 3 combined races would go eat him for breakfast.

Thank you. We finally agree on something.

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
YOu dont think realisticley do you? A SupCom would kick one armies ass, but the combined armies of the three most powerful races in the galaxy united. They'd just overpower them by sheer numbers. The Supreme Commander can do likewise you know. He can bring sub commanders into the field which would increase the rate of units going into the battlefield. Given that kind of multiplier effect this is going to turn out badly.



Actual fluff>>game mechanics.

They still have to manufacture the damn thing elsewhere before calling it into battle. Supreme commanders just make it straight up into the field.


And where have you seen that?


While the silos get expended,he simply spams more plain and simple, while the nuking is taking place.

There wont be any need to. SupCom spams fighters to engage the forces from orbit. With what I wonder?

which would take several minutes to reach high orbit.



You seriously thought I was talking about the storm and not the source of the storm?

The SupCom dosen't make kilometer long tanks...and even if it took him a few minutes, how many tanks is that compared to everything the SC universe will throw at it?

Also, a several kilometer wide tank divison wont do shit against a several dozen thousand kilometer wide swarm of painless zerg.

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
The SupCom dosen't make kilometer long tanks...and even if it took him a few minutes, how many tanks is that compared to everything the SC universe will throw at it?
Enough to bring forth a severe casualty ratio in favor of the tank division.



Yes it would. Just simply accelerate over and trample those bastards over. You do know that a zerg invasion was repelled by farmers with pitchforks one time right?


Just be happy I'm not using the Core Contingency from Total annihilation.

*sigh* If the storm is up there nuking the source of the storm won't do anything because it'll still ravage your men...

It'd take several hundred if not thousands of SupComs to match the amount of men they're going to run into. And if they all fird off thousands of nukes, they dont have that many nukes, they'd "Destory the planet."

Carries surviving a Yamato cannon is "Actual Stuff". They're shields and hull have the capacity to withstand a nuke (It's in the game, and it's in the books.), and it takes two simultanious Yamato cannons to take one of them down.

Protoss units are always being built. They have thousands pre-made for battle, there is just so much territory to cover that they're spread thinly. In this case...

He can spam as many nukes as he wants, without destroying the planet, but he couldn't make them fast enough, and he nukes everyything in sight he's going to blow up his own armies.

Protoss Carriers main arsenal as a massive array of fighters, and Terran BC's have multipile Wraiths... And the BC's could still yamato/nuke it several times, until the limit of destroying the planet.

That "invasion" was hardly an invasion at all. They released spores into the atmoshpere. The Zerg took over almost every planet in the terran empire in a matter of days or weeks, with one Cerebrate faction... ANd the Protoss were helping the Terrans behind the scenes during this as well.

You cant run over that many Zerg, Zerg claws and acid spores, not to mention the Guardians, can easily cut through or melt the most advanced types of armour, and Zerglings can jump onto the tanks enmasse... Ultralisks could not be run over. Lurkers would be underneath the Ground. Terran and Protoss both have units that are basically tanks.

Yeah run them over, lol. That would be laughable. Zergling claws can cut through five inch steel in a matter of SECONDS. Hydralisk acid spinces can melt through metal in SECONDS. The Zerg will WTF destroy the first division, then simply spawn camp the new arrivals and kill them with superior numbers before SFC's forces can get oriented.

Originally posted by Blax X
Yeah run them over, lol. That would be laughable. Zergling claws can cut through five inch steel in a matter of SECONDS. And who says that the Supreme commander uses anything as primitive as steel hmmmm.....


Given the range at which hydralisk spit, they meet the recieiving end of a tank cannon.

As said before, far outranged for that matter.

The Supcom and his subcoms can do likewise you know. Except they spam stuff stronger then a bunch of lame meatbag killers.

SupCOm uses alloys as his armour...that's obvious...

A tank couldn't shoot the amount of hydralisks attacking them. It'd be like trying to shoot a frieght train with a pellet gun and hope you can whittle it down to nothingness before it hits you.

Range dosen't matter you couldn't kill them fast enough.

The SupCom would never have Superior numbers. He'd have to have every inch of the planet covered in layers of tanks to match the numbers.

Note: The Zerg could also release spores into the atmoshere, and use other methods like glave worms and boodlings to infest the people in the tanks.

And who says that the Supreme commander uses anything as primitive as steel hmmmm.....

Who says he doesn't? Provide proof and info.

Given the range at which hydralisk spit, they meet the recieiving end of a tank cannon.

Hydralisks can shoot a ship thats hundreds of miles in the air. You just cant see it because everything is scaled down due to it being an RTS.

As said before, far outranged for that matter.

Already dealt with.

The Supcom and his subcoms can do likewise you know. Except they spam stuff stronger then a bunch of lame meatbag killers.

No, they can't. Heres the thing, you're assuming that SFC a;ready has men by the time the SC team atatcks. He doesn't. He needs to spawn them first. So as soon as he spawns his first batch they will instantly be destroyed due to being outnumbered 50 to 1. He'll spawn a second batch just to get destroyed, again, 50 to 1.

SFC cant win this unless he gets some prep time to MAKE fleet.

A month of preperation at least. The whole planet would need to be a big fortress... He gets an hour and a half of prep...on the Protoss homeworld... (Because the Protoss are honourable and want to give him at least the illusion of a fighting chance.)

Nah make it Char, the 'toss wouldn't want to damage there homeworld.

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
*sigh* If the storm is up there nuking the source of the storm won't do anything because it'll still ravage your men...
Who says theres any men inside those tanks or mech's huh.


No, thousands is just to cruel to SC. Which is why i choose one inital force to begin with

If your playing by the rules of the OP. You will note I said that THEY cannot destroy the planet. But the Supcom will have no problem with destroying a freaking continent if need be. And besides. Thousands of nukes wont even be able to measure up to enough energy to destroy a planet. Supcom nukes are like what? A few hundred megatons? Compared to SC's paltry 2 to 3 kiloton range. And lets see.If it even takes an hour to destroy a planet. Then you would need to be firing off 617 exotons of power! Thousands of nukes arent going to destroy the planet.

Nowadays making points on "withstanding nukes" is a very lousy response because theres no longer just one nuke plain and simple. There are different scales of nuclear power. One being able to destroy a state(a few megatons), the other only being able to take out a portion of city(15-20 kilotons as demonstrated in Hiroshima).


Likewise for the UEF. They just build faster.

Gunships and SAM sites make wonderful defense against the likes of those. And just about how much can carriers carry really?


They will expend energy from their ships to do paltry damage to a miniturized area of the planet at best. Yamato nuking doesnt exactly extend as far as city wide death.



Indeed.


And the SupCom army needed air since when?
Given terran technology. Thats quite unimpressive.

The rolling is just a side effect as they meet the receiving end of the tank cannon fire.


But at best would as insignificant as roaches on the windshield.

Ultralisks could not be run over.
Now wheres the logic in that. When you have an object about 50 times bigger then another object, it only makes sense that it goes squash against the bigger object.

And blown out in chunks of dirt with cannon fire.

So does the UEF supcom.

Dude you are quite simply a MORON. The SupCom army DOES need air because they are HUMANS you douchebag. Good God your just making up possibilities off the top of your head aren't you?

Ultralisks are not 50times smaller than most of SupComs tanks, they would be bigger.

As stated, your tanks, however advanced, could not shoot every Zerg in sight, the Zerg numbers would tear them to shreds. And if the Zerg jumped on the tanks, which they will, they could easily tear through the armour, and a tank cant shoot at every angle... And nother tank would shoot it's own tank taking all the zerg off of them.

They'd have to FIND the lurkers first. They wouldn't be able to even see the ground let alone target a specific lurker, and the time it would take to aim the barrel would see the tank torn to bits by acid and claws.

The Protoss fighters would defend the carriers from SupCom fighters, not attack a forfified base.

Multiple Yamata connons would reduce the Supreme Commanders Mech to slag. You make your units seem like Gods. I'm sorry to tell you that they're not invincible, no matter how much you want them to be.

OK, so anti-air defenses are good against air? What's your point? The Protoss aren't going to send their air where the most anti-air hostile units are located. They'd coodinate and plan their attack, along with Terran and Zerg...the Zerg could easily wipe out the SupCom due to sheer numbers. Get the picture, your outnumbered like 5000 to one.

Bottom Line:

- THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY YOUR UNITS COULD TAKE OUT THE AMOUNT OF ENEMIES THAT WOULD BE ATTACKING THEM.

- YOUR UNITS ARE NOT ALL 400x MORE POWERFUL THAN THE UNITS THEY WILL BE UP AGAINST.

I dont think you get it. The size of the army you will be up against could completely surround the planet, from all angles, so you couldn't see it from space, and that's JUST the zerg. Add on the Terrans, who's weapons could do a fair amount of damage to the SupCom's. And the Protoss' who's units stand very much on par.

Im going to bed, 'night. *poke poke* Hee hee!

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
Dude you are quite simply a MORON.
Funny, I was thinking the same about you.
The SupCom army DOES need air because they are HUMANS you douchebag. Air is supplied within the SupCom you know. And theres only ONE human on the battlefield. Everything else is piloted by Artificial Intelligence.



Starcraft Ghost cutscene begs to differ.


They shoot they run them over. There flesh is extremely poorly built. Slow moving vans easily kill Zerglings.



and a tank cant shoot at every angle... And nother tank would shoot it's own tank taking all the zerg off of them.
You really would assume that the tanks would fire on each other? And besides its not like they would do anything to the armor. Hydralisk cant even penetrate glass.


Firing while cloaked or burrowed will give away its position easily.

They wouldn't be able to even see the ground let alone target a specific lurker, and the time it would take to aim the barrel would see the tank torn to bits by acid and claws.

The Protoss fighters would defend the carriers from SupCom fighters, not attack a forfified base. The fighters would keep the protoss fighters tied up while missiles come arcing up into the sky to hit the carriers.

If they have any idea where the SupCOm is in the first place,and if they can get past everything else. And besides. The Commander also fields his own set of Sub Commanders who possess the same capabilities of the SupCom. Given that, theres a serious multiplier affect going on.


Of course there not. There just more powerful then SC.


Point is is that that you make your faces seem blatantly like they would have all kinds of safety making attacks on the supcom from the air.


Given the quick build times of the SupCom forces. They could respond rapidly and make it so.



With said multiplier affect. I beg to differ. ANd its not like Ultralisk can do anything to the tanks.

Bottom Line:


You need capslock to bring your point across? How absurd.

And neither is Starcraft. Starcraft is actually one of the most weakest sci-fi universes to have ever existed. Hell it dies easily against the Federation from Star Trek. Now thats humiliating.

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
Dude you are quite simply a MORON.
Funny, I was thinking the same about you.
Air is supplied within the SupCom you know. And theres only ONE human on the battlefield. Everything else is piloted by Artificial Intelligence.



Starcraft Ghost cutscene begs to differ.


They shoot they run them over. There flesh is extremely poorly built. Slow moving vans easily kill Zerglings.



and a tank cant shoot at every angle... And nother tank would shoot it's own tank taking all the zerg off of them.
You really would assume that the tanks would fire on each other? And besides its not like they would do anything to the armor. Hydralisk cant even penetrate glass.


Firing while cloaked or burrowed will give away its position easily.

They wouldn't be able to even see the ground let alone target a specific lurker, and the time it would take to aim the barrel would see the tank torn to bits by acid and claws.

The Protoss fighters would defend the carriers from SupCom fighters, not attack a forfified base. The fighters would keep the protoss fighters tied up while missiles come arcing up into the sky to hit the carriers.

If they have any idea where the SupCOm is in the first place,and if they can get past everything else. And besides. The Commander also fields his own set of Sub Commanders who possess the same capabilities of the SupCom. Given that, theres a serious multiplier affect going on.


Of course there not. There just more powerful then SC.


Point is is that that you make your faces seem blatantly like they would have all kinds of safety making attacks on the supcom from the air.


Given the quick build times of the SupCom forces. They could respond rapidly and make it so.



With said multiplier affect. I beg to differ. ANd its not like Ultralisk can do anything to the tanks.

Bottom Line:


You need capslock to bring your point across? How absurd.

And neither is Starcraft. Starcraft is actually one of the most weakest sci-fi universes to have ever existed. Hell it dies easily against the Federation from Star Trek. Now thats humiliating.

Air is supplied within the SubCom.

That's fine and dandy, but the atmosphere around the SubCom could still get into the Mech after it was hit. It's not safe on the ground, it would get bombarded from orbit. Unless you can kill every enemy within 6 seconds, it will get bombarded.

StarCraft ghost cutscenes beg to differ?

No, they do not. The Ultralisks may be smaller than some of the larger units the SupCom would have, but from the SupCom trailer, they would be larger than about third or half of the tanks.

Zerg flesh is poorly built? A slow van could easily kill zerglings?

Armoured Zerg areas can easily stop bullets, for a short amount of time or for an indefinate amount of time. The Zerglings could also move faster than the Tank barrels could track them at close range, quite easily, they're agile. And a Slow moving van might hit one or two Zerglings but it would be torn to shreds within seconds. Like a cow being eaten by paranas.

If they knew were the SupCom was?

They would know exactly where the SupCom was they could detect something that large through scanner sweeps, either Terran or Protoss. Terran might not but Protoss would. They wouldn't need to get past anything else either they could kill it from orbit.

Hydralisks can tear through a foot of titanium, they could easily tear through the armour of a tank it is what they were designed to do. Their acid spines shoot for several miles. Simply put, they could get through the armour of your tanks. So could the Zerglings, and the Lurkers. And to point out Ultralisks being unable to do anything to a tank is simply retarded.

One person leading the armies.

I've seen reports of the armies being led by a single person yes, but that person could still be killed, or infected, once his armour was breached.

SupCom more powerful than SC.

Yes in General SupCom units are more powerful than SC units, but the margine of power through the units they will be up against and those of Protoss would be minimal once the larger Protoss units were brought into the battle. Also, the Zerg would more than match them in powers through the amount of Zerg there would be attacking the SupCom.

Air Defenses

The SupCom would not make enough air defense, nor deploy them in a coordinated enough effort to completely wipe out a joint Terran/Protoss/Zerg attack. Protoss weapons would bevery effective against them, Terran air units use lasers and some rather powerful missiles, and the Zerg acid spores would melt through the armour quite effectively. Say maybe 100 or so Zerg per SupCom unit, at a minimum.

Also, the point still stands, your units are outnumbered. I've seen the SupCom trailer and from that It's obvious there is no way they could build enough men. The Zerg alone would cover that entire map with an army of men severel dozen if not hundreds of layers high. Zerg which would be very capable of destroying your units. Your units are more powerful individually, though the margin slows when things like Carriers, Battle Cruisers, and the other more powerful SC units come into play, but there wont be nearly enough.

(Oh and by the way, if the SupCom destroyed a continent, he'd be blowing up his own armies if not himself...) The Zerg/Terran/Protoss forces could EASILY completely destory that planet, with your SupCom on it, I think they would have a relatively easy time killing your SupCom and his armies. Unless the SupCom's armoes will cover every sqare inch of the planet, then he'll stand no chance whatsoever.

er, Starcraft takes UEF to school and grades it and "F"

Starcraft is likes warhammer 40k, its worlds constantly at war, all the time, Starcraft would domianate this, start to finish. Simple as

Exactly. This Doan guy..can you say "fanboy"?

No offense but your statements aren't backed up much by fact... What you've said so far sounds a lot like...

SupCom units can barely be harmed by SC units, and one SupCom unit could take on about 2000 SC units, and are limited only by their fire range... Which is not true and I dont see how you come to that conclusion...

The SupCom himself is entirely invincible and nothing can harm him as he can stop anything and has infinite ammo and an infinite fire rate... I dont see how you think the SupCom mech itself is so powerful when it's not...

SupCom would have nearly the same amount of units as SC... No, supcum would have about 5-10% of the men SC would have.

Starcraft has vastly superior war technology, and thats as far as it need be taken

Naw SupCom technology is about as good as Protoss, worse in some palces better in others. Zerg are equal to them though in a different kind of way. Terrans would get raped by SupCom... Though the siege tanks, BC, and nukes would do a lot of damage.

haha er protoss tech exceeds Naw, no competion, but w.e

as i said eariler, Starcraft is geared 100% towards war, Uef wouldn't win, its just illogical

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Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
Within the subcom? The Subcom is piloted by AI. Since when did AI require to breath.


That is assuming you penetrate the damn thing in the first place.
It's not safe on the ground, it would get bombarded from orbit.

What your immediately assuming is that simply claiming orbit on any position up in the sky automatically gives you undeniable protection which is simply untrue because of the anti air tech that is possessed within the confines of the Supreme commander

StarCraft ghost cutscenes beg to differ?



Your not following that trailer quite well and you dont know the scale of the tanks do you? And besides the medium tanks measure up to about 5.8 meters tall.

As demonstrated in the Starcraft cut scenes. And the Kevin John Anderson novels which demonstrate Zerglings getting impaled by pitchforks. Given that much, they have poor defense against even conventional fir

Oh please, when was the last time we see any supcom tech firing small arm bullets of any kind.


Splash damage says otherwise, and you really think tank barrels move that slow....


That van effectively killed that particular zergling.


If they knew were the SupCom was?

They would know exactly where the SupCom was they could detect something that large through scanner sweeps, either Terran or Protoss. Terran might not but Protoss would. Assuming that they can deal with the serious missile spam, fighters, bombers gunships etc. And the death of the SupCom will not be the elimination of the entire army either. Your still forgeting the increasing number of Sub commanders that will infest the entire planet and multiply the growth rate of the army by a large magnitude.

Yet they couldn't do jack to that idiot marine in the brood war scene. Good job.



Oh of course they can, that is if there armor was weaker then glass.
I think an idiot of a biological being who think its a good idea to charge a tank with vastly superior firepower deserves nothing less then a fast death.

Also leaded by Artificial intelligence to back him up.

Already addressed.



By many magnitudes.

but the margine of power through the units they will be up against and those of Protoss would be minimal once the larger Protoss units were brought into the battle. Also, the Zerg would more than match them in powers through the amount of Zerg there would be attacking the SupCom.

Air Defenses
Did you even bother to address the sub commanders yet?
To say the least, everything on the ground gets one shot killed.


So does the SupCom. What you think he's completely deprived of said weapons?


You need about 5000 more then said suggestion.

Do you even know the amount of time it took for him to build that base?


That would be proof of idiocy if they think that its a good idea to group in such a small area.


Likewise towards the Zerg.


I dont see the logic in that.


He wouldnt destroy it, just use the entire land mass to create an army.


Oh please, It took approximately 70 specially modified carrier to do the job in a matter of days! Easily my arse.

I think they would have a relatively easy time killing your SupCom and his armies. Assuming they can manage to reach it in time. Only the closest forces will be able to engage. All the other forces will take months to arrive. It takes months if not weeks for a terran fleet to travel from point A to B. Zerg sometimes require decades despite the fact that they open wormholes to get somewhere. Given those amounts of months, thats more then enough time to infest the planet with UEF units.


And Blax put that shite away. Such a declaration is premature, and incorrect to say the least.

I'm dealing with the rest of you in the morning i'm going to bed.

Originally posted by Kaled
haha er protoss tech exceeds Naw, no competion, but w.e
Only in the SC universe. compared to other sci-fi universes, protoss stands a snowballs chance in hell. Bolo tanks shoot megaton nukes as STANDARD projectiles and when its destroyed it self destructs and destroys the entire planet with it. The Star Trek federation easily outclasses ANY protoss ship that they have. Carriers would get one shot killed by Voyagers torpedoes.


Oh please, saying its geared for war is a poor statement. You could arm me with a ****ing stick and I could say that i'm geared for ****ing war.

The SubCom as one and a half hours of prep time, no more than that, it was stated in the first post of this thread. Also, 5000 men means nothing against several trillion.

- Your not following that trailer quite well and you dont know the scale of the tanks do you? And besides the medium tanks measure up to about 5.8 meters tall.

An Ultralisks knee is most liekly oever 6 meters in the air...

- To say the least, everything on the ground gets one shot killed.

That's a bunch of bullshit, while most things would be one shot killed, not all of them, and most things is those directly hit. Youd need to kill about 200 per shot to hope to stem the tide of all the zerg in the SC universe.

- Splash damage says otherwise, and you really think tank barrels move that slow....

Yes I do, I saw the trailer, up close the barrels couldn't move fast enough.

- That would be proof of idiocy if they think that its a good idea to group in such a small area.

They wouldn't, I was merely stating that they could. How many times do I have to say this, you couldn't see the planet, from any angle, because of the amount of Zerg that would be there. Heck you could nuke the orbiting zerg and you wouldn;'t see the explosion from the outside.

- Likewise towards the Zerg.

OK, so the units can destory eachother, we agree on that. There would be more than enough Zerg to take out the tanks...It would literally be like a wave of water washing over them. For ever zerg you kill about 500 more will come.

- I dont see the logic in that.

Larger Terran units would kill tanks and smaller air-craft of the SupCom enmasse.

- Oh please, It took approximately 70 specially modified carrier to do the job in a matter of days! Easily my arse.

Wow, 70... Funny since you'd be against several trillion enemies. Mostly Zerg, but easly thousands upon thousands of carriers.

- Air Defenses

Nice, you have air defenses, not nearly enough to take out the amount of attacking Zerg, you seem to think that your SupCom men can kill everything without being shot, I'm sorry but for most of the Zerg you kill, half of those zerg will shoot back at your air defenses...That's a lot of Zerg shooting back. You wouldn't be able to even see the sky if they attacked together. The armoes would extend from below the cloud layer up into space.

- You need about 5000 more then said suggestion.

100 Zerglings, the weakest of the zerg, would completely own a single SupCom tank, it would not take 5000 zerg to take on one SupCom tank, I dont know why you would think that.

- I dont think your SupCom is depived of weapons, but he couldn't shoot them fast enough, let alone make them fast enough to take out all the enemies, which would have weapons that woudl be more than effective enouh at taking itout considering the amount shooting at it. Several Yamato cannons, say from the Entire Terran fleet, would level your base. One Yamato cannon per building, as the buildings in teh game weren't that big. A single shot would render them useless, but not completely destroyed into nothing.

Amount of men the SupCom would build. The SupCom can build as fast as in game, in your own words. So I think, at a max that's severly exaggereated, say he makes 5 million men. Calculated to what he'd be up against, one trillion, that's 200, 000 units for ever SupCom unit. In the trailer, the bases made weren't all that big, and one army I would be surprised if it reached 5000 men. And I would say 20 minutes minimum to make that base. Minimum. 1 and a half hours? Please, no where near the productional capacity...

As I stated before, dont just talk about possiblities. Base your theories up with fact. You cant just say, my tanks will kill all your zerg by shooting them and running them over, because frankly, they would not.

Also, I dont know what Star Trek has to do with this battle since it's a completely different universe, but no Voyager would have a tough time taking out a Protoss Carrier.

I dont see why you insist on making the StarCraft armies exceedingly weak while making your own armies seem several times stronger than they would be... Even if they were as strong as you think they would be, one Tank taking on 5000 Zerglings, they'd still have a VERY hard time winning.

Originally posted by doan_m
The UEF decides to send a supreme commander to the planet of Auir to conquer the planet to set up a stronghold in a coming invasion of the entire SC universe. The protoss, terrans and Zerg have analyzed this threat and decide to form an allegiance in order to counter this threat in its early stages. The Supreme Commander has about an hour and a half worths of preparation to prepare for the counter attack forces. The planet cannot be destroyed as it proves valuable somehow to both sides. who wins?

Hour and a half preperation. Planet is valuable to BOTH sides. Zerg, Terran, Protoss counter it an hour and a half in, not several months in.

Plus: I dont think they'd just let them land on the Protoss homeworld and make armies for months to attack them. Realistically they'd reduce it to slag in minutes.

EDIT

Starcraft Ghost cutscene begs to differ.

The Starcraft ghost art and story is not cannon because the project was dropped by Blizzard and the game was never made, hence the story never happened. SO anything that derives from Starcrfat ghost happens to be non-cannon.


They shoot they run them over. There flesh is extremely poorly built. Slow moving vans easily kill Zerglings.


There flesh is weak? lmfao. Thsi is hilarious. That truck in the cutscene was easily going over 40, and organic things tend to die when a three ton pick-up truck runs over a two foot tall bug. These same "weak fleshed" zergligns can withstand a direct hit a siege tank, and can take a Terran Marines full clip of ammo.



You really would assume that the tanks would fire on each other? And besides its not like they would do anything to the armor. Hydralisk cant even penetrate glass.

Wait, what? Were'd you get that bullshit from? Tell me again how Hydralisks can cut through multiple inch thick steel and destroy entire capital ships with JUST there acid spines?


Firing while cloaked or burrowed will give away its position easily.

No... A Wraith moves liek 20 times faster the sound. By the time whatever SupCom untit gets hits the Wraith will be a mile away, try again.



If they have any idea where the SupCOm is in the first place,and if they can get past everything else. And besides. The Commander also fields his own set of Sub Commanders who possess the same capabilities of the SupCom. Given that, theres a serious multiplier affect going on.

Again, liek it matters. FOr every 50 SupCom units created, they will be instantly be destroyed by trillions of Zerg alone.


Of course there not. There just more powerful then SC.

My blaxican butt they are.


Point is is that that you make your faces seem blatantly like they would have all kinds of safety making attacks on the supcom from the air.


Given the quick build times of the SupCom forces. They could respond rapidly and make it so.

Not nearly rapidly enough. For every THOUSAND supcom units created, theres a billion Zerg alone (Not including protoss and terran) waiting to take them out.

ANd its not like Ultralisk can do anything to the tanks.


Way to not support your post at all.


You need capslock to bring your point across? How absurd.

Sometimes yelling is neccisary when trying to get something through a fools thick skull.

And neither is Starcraft. Starcraft is actually one of the most weakest sci-fi universes to have ever existed. Hell it dies easily against the Federation from Star Trek. Now thats humiliating.

Sounds like bullsh*t to me. Were'd you get that from? Its even been PROVEN that the Galactic Empire alone can defeat the entire star trek universe six times over with minimal casualties.

StarCraft ghost cutscenes beg to differ?

Not-Cannon.

As demonstrated in the Starcraft cut scenes. And the Kevin John Anderson novels which demonstrate Zerglings getting impaled by pitchforks. Given that much, they have poor defense against even conventional fire.

Smells like more BS. In one Star Craft novel zerglings can be killed by pitch forks, yet in another one Zergling alone can withstand a MArines entire clip of ammo from his assault rifle.

Splash damage says otherwise, and you really think tank barrels move that slow....

Its a know fact that tank barrels move that slow. Especially when you've got thousands of critters that can run as fast as a speeder bike.

That van effectively killed that particular zergling.

Already been over that.

Assuming that they can deal with the serious missile spam, fighters, bombers gunships etc. And the death of the SupCom will not be the elimination of the entire army either. Your still forgeting the increasing number of Sub commanders that will infest the entire planet and multiply the growth rate of the army by a large magnitude.

And YOUR assuming that there'll BE a spam. There will be no spam against the SC team, quiet the opposite. The SupComs THOUSANDS will be getting spammed by the TRILLIONS of SC units.

Yet they couldn't do jack to that idiot marine in the brood war scene. Good job.

Last time I checked the first marine was killed, and the second was aboutto bite it when he got saved. Good job.

Oh of course they can, that is if there armor was weaker then glass.

Already been over this stupid glass theory.

I think an idiot of a biological being who think its a good idea to charge a tank with vastly superior firepower deserves nothing less then a fast death.

You really are excellent at making completely unsupported aassumptions. Your love for SupCom has clearly dulled your mind.

An Ultralisk can shrug off multiple direct hits from a siege tank and can rip solid steel objects in half in a matter of seconds. Not too mention of course that it will be 20,000 ultralisks versus 100 tanks.


Air Defenses

= WTFpwned by more units then there sensors can even handle.

To say the least, everything on the ground gets one shot killed.

Yayyyy another unsupported assumption! I can easily say every SUpCom unit will explode because of a computer virus created by the Terrans. Doesn't sound to good now does it, being unuspported and all.

You need about 5000 more then said suggestion.

Okay, how about ten thousand to one? That woudl actually be more ideal.

Do you even know the amount of time it took for him to build that base?

Can you even begin to comprehend how badly outnumbered SupCOm is?

Likewise towards the Zerg.


Yes, for every 1 zerg unit killed, multiple thousands take its place. Cant say the same for SupCom.

I dont see the logic in that.

I'll spell it out for you.

Unit-to-unit, the SupCOm units are stronger then the starcraft ones. However, that doesn't matter because SupCom is outnumbered 10000 to 1. Numbers>>>>> Superior technoligy, in this case.


He wouldnt destroy it, just use the entire land mass to create an army.

Yeah too bad that land is occupied by billions of SC units, and if SupCOm or any of his subs tried to get with a hundred miles of it they would be blown to kingdom come.

Assuming they can manage to reach it in time. Only the closest forces will be able to engage. All the other forces will take months to arrive. It takes months if not weeks for a terran fleet to travel from point A to B.

Depends on were there coming from. You never specified, so we can make any assumption.

Zerg sometimes require decades despite the fact that they open wormholes to get somewhere.

No...the Terran Confederacy remarked that the Zerg were taking over multiple systems in weeks. Billions of Zerg were going from system to system in only a matter of weeks. Try again.


Eh..sorry. Im in a bad mood because I'm tired, lol. So ignore the insults.

er, more of the reasons you thin UEF would win aren't so, your just kinda hoping and assuming it is, your not even close

Originally posted by doan_m
Within the subcom? The Subcom is piloted by AI. Since when did AI require to breath.

so its venerable to the terrain science balls, taht can disable an electrical circult, assuming the protoss didn't just wipe it out

Originally posted by doan_m
That is assuming you penetrate the damn thing in the first place.
It's not safe on the ground, it would get bombarded from orbit.

inter-space battles protoss's superior technology would ruin the EUF in fractions of a second

Originally posted by doan_m
What your immediately assuming is that simply claiming orbit on any position up in the sky automatically gives you undeniable protection which is simply untrue because of the anti air tech that is possessed within the confines of the Supreme commander

really depends whats up there i didn't read blax's post


Originally posted by doan_m
StarCraft ghost cutscenes beg to differ?

....wait wait wait, their canon all of a sudden?


Originally posted by doan_m
Your not following that trailer quite well and you dont know the scale of the tanks do you? And besides the medium tanks measure up to about 5.8 meters tall. your making a bad point, if its bigger its slower are fast more vunerable to zerg attacks

Originally posted by doan_m
As demonstrated in the Starcraft cut scenes. And the Kevin John Anderson novels which demonstrate Zerglings getting impaled by pitchforks. Given that much, they have poor defense against even conventional fir er yeah because its a novel and is questionably uncanon, since its was stated at some point before hand how tough their skin was

Originally posted by doan_m
Oh please, when was the last time we see any supcom tech firing small arm bullets of any kind. when was the last time you reveiwed the facts?


Originally posted by doan_m
Splash damage says otherwise, and you really think tank barrels move that slow.... sortof yeah, any maybe you missed the fact they are billions upon billions in numbers so it really wouldn't make much difference becaue as soo as they get close Euf would start hitting its own tanks because as you so kindly pointed out splash damage


That van effectively killed that particular zergling.


Originally posted by doan_m
If they knew were the SupCom was?

oh please don't be think

Originally posted by doan_m
They would know exactly where the SupCom was they could detect something that large through scanner sweeps, either Terran or Protoss. Terran might not but Protoss would. Assuming that they can deal with the serious missile spam, fighters, bombers gunships etc. And the death of the SupCom will not be the elimination of the entire army either. Your still forgeting the increasing number of Sub commanders that will infest the entire planet and multiply the growth rate of the army by a large magnitude.

As i have stated many time Protoss tech is HIGHER than UEF, and your constant denied tells me if thats true UEF goes down and hard, which i also know is true
yeah the zerg can do that too, but quicker n better and on a larger scale

Originally posted by doan_m
Yet they couldn't do jack to that idiot marine in the brood war scene. Good job. special circumstances



Originally posted by doan_m
Oh of course they can, that is if there armor was weaker then glass.
I think an idiot of a biological being who think its a good idea to charge a tank with vastly superior firepower deserves nothing less then a fast death. yeah, you've said the same thing for each thing about sergs so i'm going to stop defeating you now

Originally posted by doan_m
but the margine of power through the units they will be up against and those of Protoss would be minimal once the larger Protoss units were brought into the battle. Also, the Zerg would more than match them in powers through the amount of Zerg there would be attacking the SupCom. in open battle cerg would dominate
Originally posted by doan_m
Air Defenses
Did you even bother to address the sub commanders yet?
To say the least, everything on the ground gets one shot killed.
hhahahaha yeah riiiight! good one oh your not joking

Originally posted by doan_m
So does the SupCom. What you think he's completely deprived of said weapons? nope their just irrelevent


Originally posted by doan_m
You need about 5000 more then said suggestion. well its a good thing they are, huh

Originally posted by doan_m
Do you even know the amount of time it took for him to build that base? *sighs* your hopeless


Originally posted by doan_m
That would be proof of idiocy if they think that its a good idea to group in such a small area. I dont see the logic in that.
wow, they you understand what its been like me for me, i don't understand any of your logic either

Originally posted by doan_m
He wouldnt destroy it, just use the entire land mass to create an army. yes, of course he would/could


Originally posted by doan_m
Oh please, It took approximately 70 specially modified carrier to do the job in a matter of days! Easily my arse. ugh yes it did actully

Originally posted by doan_m
mmkay not idea where you got that from


Originally posted by doan_m
And Blax put that shite away. Such a declaration is premature, and incorrect to say the least.

I'm dealing with the rest of you in the morning i'm going to bed. dealing with?? your bluffing so badly its untrue how much you've assuumed and supposed, yo would be wise to not post again, its really not kidding anyone, except perhaps yourself

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire
The SubCom as one and a half hours of prep time, no more than that, it was stated in the first post of this thread.
No thats an hour and a half before they can actually start moving. I did not state that everybody is above Aiur. Just that in an hour and a half, thats when they start to mobilize.


Oh yeah sure. Its like saying 5000 human beings are completely ****ed over by several trillion ants.




Get some glasses why dont you? Ultralisk knees dont even measure as tall as a terran marine.
- To say the least, everything on the ground gets one shot killed.

That's a bunch of bullshit, while most things would be one shot killed, not all of them, and most things is those directly hit. If they were attacking all at once. But still given their piss poor FTL capabilites, they wont be.


They dont need to. If they wish to shoot an object from far away they wouldnt have to make a significant turn of the barrel to hit any zerg.


They wouldn't, I was merely stating that they could.
Are we still toting those "trillion" numbers around? By the manual, Zerg number in the billions. Not to mention heres a rundown of thier fleet.
Tiamat Brood (command fleet) - 6,500,000
Fenris Brood (hunter swarm) - 5,500
Baelrog Brood (terror swarm) - 6,000
Garm Brood (assault swarm) - 10,000
Jormungand Brood (support swarm) - 3,000,000
Surtur Brood (heavy support swarm) - 2,600,000




Tanks will prove a very viable threat to any Zerg offence, but they wont be the only damn things around.


Moving at a slower pace then rapid waves and being fended off by sheer tank and mech spam of all sizes.
Lovely. More come to die.

- I dont see the logic in that.

Larger Terran units would kill tanks and smaller air-craft of the SupCom enmasse.

- Oh please, It took approximately 70 specially modified carrier to do the job in a matter of days! Easily my arse.

Who will not be rushing to the gates all at once.

Are you even reading the damn thing? It said specially modified. And they did not have to deal with the likes of opposition in space.



Given the multiplier affect that I mentioned, its going to be more then enough.


SThat's a lot of Zerg shooting back. You wouldn't be able to even see the sky if they attacked together. The armoes would extend from below the cloud layer up into space.

- You need about 5000 more then said suggestion.


The same zerglings who can get impaled by pitchforks and get ****ed up by shotgun rounds? Oh yeah, i'm shaking in my boots.
Standing alone of course not, but with combined firepower, its rolling thunder.

-
Wait, the SupCom is doing the shooting? Hes just laying back in the base building more tanks jets, dropships, gunships, mechs. navy ships etc.

Already addressed.


If there willing to remain stationary like that for too long over what would be heavy anti air defenses.

They would be big ****ing idiots for deciding to bring so much valuable equipment over such a small amount of airsopace.




Again i already addressed that its not going to be a trillion men. The Terran empire is only 23 billion human beings. The zerg have not even hit the trillion mark and it would be absurd to even begin to think that the protoss would outnumber the zerg.


Of course it isnt. Did you not notice that there was enemy intervention in the area with a Cybran supreme commander ready to oppose him? Or did you just decide to take that out of the context?

And I would say 20 minutes minimum to make that base. Minimum. 1 and a half hours? Please, no where near the productional capacity... An hour and a half before the nearest forces can engage. And you do know that the trailer did not even mention that there were sub commanders there so how would you know huh?

Originally posted by Liquid_Fire

Also, I dont know what Star Trek has to do with this battle since it's a completely different universe,
Its a statement made comparing how weak starcraft is compared to other sci-fi universes.
You said so yourself. two yamato cannons to take out a carrier. Both the equivalent of a nuke. Voyagers photon torpedoes alone measures up to about 5 gigatons. Thats about at least ten times the magnitude of firepower in both of those yamato cannon shots. Not to mention the deliverence of said firepower is far more effective then that lousy six second wait to fire a single burst of energy out.

Because they are. There exceedingly weak and idiotic. Those idiots decide to use PLEXIGLASS as the windows on a military grade goliath. See what I mean? Sheer idiocy.





You think that coalition will be above the planet by the time the ticker ends. They'd have to actually move thier forces there first.


There not landing, there just teleporting in and making an army. After an hour and a half thats when they begin to mobilize forces.

Realistically it wouldnt be a full head on charge, to even pull off said feats.

Originally posted by doan_m
Its a statement made comparing how weak starcraft is compared to other sci-fi universes.

er, thats beyond bias, you can stop talking now, Starcraft is a very powerful universe. UEF is infact the weakest that comes to mind to me on the spot

Dr Who is probably the strongest of all the Sci'fi realities, plasma blasts have nothing on daleks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzc6ZtxU7BA

Originally posted by Blax X
Starcraft Ghost cutscene begs to differ.

But was still published officially by the Blizzard company. Hell they even madea 5 minute trailer for it.




Impaled by a farmer with a pitchfork. Yes, zergliing flesh is very weak.
lmfao. Thsi is hilarious. That QUOTE] These same "weak fleshed" zergligns can withstand a direct hit a siege tank
Thier carapace is specialized more towards bullets. If they can die easily to shotgun runs they wont be able to take the same hits from supreme commander tanks.

Oh please, Terran marine guns dont even shoot straight. And Terran marine guns are a piss poor peice of shit. Hypervelocity bullets my ****ing ass.




Read a Kevin John Anderson Starcraft novel. He puts in all kinds of stuff that makes the SC universe so much weaker.
The Hydralisk shooting down BC's is a representation in game just to make it more balanced.


The point was directed towards units over the ground. ANd any wraith attacking the base would get snared onto the radar screens.


Already addressed that "trillions of zerg" statement.




The fact that i sent ONE commander. A micro of a sliver of the UEF says otherwise.


Given the quick build times of the SupCom forces. They could respond rapidly and make it so.


Yes i know that the GE can beat the ****ing shite out of ST 5000 times over. The point is is that even Star Trek is considered a low end universe, but still posseses enough power to beat the living snot out of SC.


Published by Blizzard. WIth a five minute extended trailer. Yes its canon.




As said before, Terran rifles are a piss poor piece of shit.

Splash damage says otherwise, and you really think tank barrels move that slow....


As fast as a speeder bike? The fact that any human being with half a mind can see the damn thing move does not put the anywhere near said speed.

Already addressed the trillion issue. And the fact that it would be days or months before reinforcements arrive to attack that planet. Those thousands could just as well be triple digit billions to single digit trillions.
Yet they couldn't do jack to that idiot marine in the brood war scene. Good job.
Point is that Hydralisk did not demonstrate any of those said feats in the cutscene.


I think an idiot of a biological being who think its a good idea to charge a tank with vastly superior firepower deserves nothing less then a fast death.

Your clear jerking around with SC as this decent sci-fi universe has dulled your mind.

All comes crashing down since they wont be getting close enough to bring said force to bear upon the enemy.
Not too mention of course that it will be 20,000 ultralisks versus 100 tanks. Its amusing how the ultralisk is the highest order of zerg ground units whie the tanks are just about the lowest order of units of the UEF.






If they can even hit those number in time.



I consider one supcom a fair fight. If I didnt I would have brought 100.


mobilized over the course of days. Too long I say.

I dont see the logic in that.

I'll spell it out for you.

Magntiudes stronger.
However, that doesn't matter because SupCom is outnumbered 10000 to 1. Numbers>>>>> Superior technoligy, in this case. Oh please thats like saying a Star Destroyer would get owned because theres 10,000 enterprises attacking it.



They wouldnt be able to mobilize the forces in time.
I doubt they can even shoot that far.


Your still limited by FTL speeds. Feel free to even bring forces from the farthest reaches of the galaxy but they have to comply with thier FTL speeds.

Originally posted by Kaled
er, thats beyond bias, you can stop talking now, Starcraft is a very powerful universe. UEF is infact the weakest that comes to mind to me on the spot

Dr Who is probably the strongest of all the Sci'fi realities, plasma blasts have nothing on daleks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzc6ZtxU7BA

UEF loses badly accept it please

- You have an hour and a half preperation, not months.

- Niether force can use weapons to the extent of ruining the planets value. You have an HOUR AND A HALF to prepare.

- You cant compare the events of one cutescene and say that's univerally what will happen. You can't take SC at it's weakest form and say that's the form we use. Other SC books have Zerglings and Hydraks being hit by highly explosive missiles and they keep on coming. You pick a medium, not the weakest possible form you can make them as.

- About 200, 000 SC units per SupCom unit. I did the calculations.

- You also seem to think that the SupCom will have pretty much every environmental advantage. This is a Versus thead, as such both forces are already there, ready to fight. If you want to think about it realisticlly the SupCom would be destroyed minutes within showing up on Aiur, but as the rules stated it has an hour and a half to make it's base/army.

- The trailer bases weren't all that big, I'd be surprised if the numbers of the tanks exceeded 2000. And of the stronger units, there were like...2 or 3. So, at an hour and a half of time, I doubt he'd even make a million men. 5 million max, and that's being way overly generous.

- The Giant Spider walker was destroyed by the tank fire, so a Battle Cruiser could easily turn it to slag, or a barrage of Siege Tank fire. You own tanks are limited by range as well.