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Originally posted by Soljer
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good to know somebody cares about old extra

HOM Wanda destroyed and re-created the universe numerous times, and she can re-write reality to however she wishes....

Wanda wins 10/10

Since Wanda really didnt have any powerups between Dissassembled and HOM. Strange should still be able to fry her brain with the Eye of Agamotto

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2694/strange4dr4.th.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9069/strange5ji5.th.jpg

In Avengers Dissasembeled didnt he already beat her?

Originally posted by thedude1948
Since Wanda really didnt have any powerups between Dissassembled and HOM. Strange should still be able to fry her brain with the Eye of Agamotto


hysterical2

Even Wanda's kid, that she herself created from nothing, talks to Strange like he's a b*tch...

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4746/w24vh8.th.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5554/w25rs4.th.jpg

Why isn't he frying her brains here?

She only killed a few Avengers and he knocked her out,

the WHOLE World including the Universe is upside down, yet he does NOTHING.

Originally posted by Mr Master
hysterical2

So do you have any evidence that she was powered up between dissassembled and HOM? if you do Ill admit Im wrong, if not it still stands Strange would be able to do the same thing he did to her last time.

Strange

Originally posted by Mr Master
Even Wanda's kid, that she herself created from nothing, talks to Strange like he's a b*tch...

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4746/w24vh8.th.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5554/w25rs4.th.jpg

Why isn't he frying her brains here?

She only killed a few Avengers and he knocked her out,

the WHOLE World including the Universe is upside down, yet he does NOTHING. That's just how kids are though.. that doesn't really show anything.

Originally posted by thedude1948
So do you have any evidence that she was powered up between dissassembled and HOM? if you do Ill admit Im wrong, if not it still stands Strange would be able to do the same thing he did to her last time.

I'll give you one right off the back,

how about going from losing to Strange to withstanding Universal explosions at ground zero like nothing.

Like remaking the 616 Reality over and over again.

You think ANY Avenger would have survived had her powerset been this high?


She made Genis-Vell be able to blink the Universe in and out of existence, a couple of times no less.

Originally posted by Juntai
That's just how kids are though.. that doesn't really show anything.

Read the comic duke, he was being submissive the entire issue.

While the Omni-verse is about to collapse, while the Universe is out of order, while the World is completely warped, and he is doing nothing about.

What happened to brain frying?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll give you one right off the back,

how about going from losing to Strange to withstanding universal explosions at ground zero like nothing.

Like remaking the 616 Reality over and over again.

You think ANY Avenger would have survived had her powerset been this high?


She made Genis-Vell be able to blink the Universe in and out of existence, a couple of times no less.
She was able to warp reality when Strange beat her... She has never withstood Universal explosions either. Dissassembled Wanda = HOM Wanda.

Originally posted by thedude1948
She was able to warp reality when Strange beat her...

Not on a Universal scale.


Originally posted by thedude1948
She has never withstood Universal explosions either.

And this should end this part of the debate.


This is just to show you Wanda with IN the EXPLOSION of a Universe.


After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg

You do see she is right in the center of this explosion.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg

And Remakes the Universe one last time
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/9958/w1nt5.th.jpg



Wanda SURVIVED, like nothing ever happened

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7425/w8cu6.th.jpg


Originally posted by thedude1948
Dissassembled Wanda = HOM Wanda.

Negative.



By the way, incase you think that wasn't the Universe that BLEW up in her face,

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" "AGAIN"!!!
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg


"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg


This is the way Wanda Remade Reality every time, by exploding the Universe and then Recreating it in a different image.

Wanda accelarated Genis-Vell's Power to it's Full potential and beyond with a whim.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3940/w26su2.th.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1056/w27ui9.th.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4992/w28ry5.th.jpg


"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4408/w29xa0.th.jpg



continues in the next post....

continues....



Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg


"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg


"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...


"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg


Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1253/w34cb3.th.jpg


Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg


Finally Genis allows himself to be shut down by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia.

Originally posted by Mr Master

After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything

You do see she is right in the center of this explosion.

And Remakes the Universe one last time
This is just the Artist's interpretation of Wanda warping reality.

And the Genis scans have nothing to do with Wanda, Genis-vell's cosmic awareness showed him that the earth wasnt "right" and he was starting to remember the universe pre-HOM. He was trying to change it back to the way it was before.

Originally posted by thedude1948
This is just the Artist's interpretation of Wanda warping reality.

Like the Artist's "interpretation" of Warlock standing up to Power Gem, let alone the IG?


Describe this type of "interpretation" since you ignored it.


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


Originally posted by thedude1948
And the Genis scans have nothing to do with Wanda, Genis-vell's cosmic awareness showed him that the earth wasnt "right" and he was starting to remember the universe pre-HOM. He was trying to change it back to the way it was before.

This is a funny one.

Genis-Vell has been extremely depowered by this point, WHAT Changing was Genis going to do?


"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4408/w29xa0.th.jpg

Are you not realizing that their Amazed, this is his posse.


Genis can't blink the Universe in and out of existence, thats Insane Genis-Vell.


So the Scans have everything to do with Wanda, Her Warp accelerated his Power to Insane Genis-Vell levels.

there was no explosion she just warped reality there's a diffrence from something being destroyed and rebuilt to something being altered

Originally posted by Mr Master
continues....



Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg


"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg


"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...


"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg


Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1253/w34cb3.th.jpg


Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg


Finally Genis allows himself to be shut down by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia. Awesome. Is that NT 7-12?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like the Artist's "interpretation" of Warlock standing up to Power Gem, let alone the IG?


Describe this type of "interpretation" since you ignored it.


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

Err... I interpret it as Wanda warping reality in the 616 universe... not her making reality warping explosions in her face.


Originally posted by Mr Master
This is a funny one.

Genis-Vell has been extremely depowered by this point, WHAT Changing was Genis going to do?


"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4408/w29xa0.th.jpg

Are you not realizing that their Amazed, this is his posse.


Genis can't blink the Universe in and out of existence, thats Insane Genis-Vell.


So the Scans have everything to do with Wanda, Her Warp accelerated his Power to Insane Genis-Vell levels.

So you are calling Photon Genis-Vell depowered? because he was Photon before HOM happened. it is in his powerset to do everything he showed in HOM. Wanda had nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Err... I interpret it as Wanda warping reality in the 616 universe...

As you wish.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

I see this as Wanda Warping the 616 Universe.

I hope that's what you meant, otherwise....


Originally posted by thedude1948
not her making reality warping explosions in her face.

Maybe this will freshen your memory:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9313/w10sq9.th.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2359/w11xt8.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8791/wyz7.th.jpg

This must be another "illusion" of Wanda standing in the heart of that EXPLOSION....

I'm not going through this again, your bordering fanboy now.


Originally posted by thedude1948
So you are calling Photon Genis-Vell depowered? because he was Photon before HOM happened. it is in his powerset to do everything he showed in HOM. Wanda had nothing to do with that.

If your under the impression that Genis-Vell can blink the Universe In and Out of existence, and Split Time and Space in Two,

You need to read more comics.


Genis-Vell, before being affected by Wanda's Universal Reality Warp, NEEDED PROPULTION BOOTS to FLY

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4408/w29xa0.th.jpg

All of a sudden he's Folding Space to Fly. His teammates are perplexed by this.

I think your terribly confusing INSANE Genis, with the subject at hand.


Any other counters on this, take it up with Marvel the Company that created these scenerios.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Err... I interpret it as Wanda warping reality in the 616 universe... I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

This is what the entire scan says word for word:

"The important thing is that our scanners say she's starting to remake reality six-one-six again."

How can you just interpret the scan simply as Wanda warping reality when its clearly stated that she is remaking the entire 616 universe?

Originally posted by Galan777
I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

This is what the entire scan says word for word:

"The important thing is that our scanners say she's starting to remake reality six-one-six again."

How can you just interpret the scan simply as Wanda warping reality when its clearly stated that she is remaking the entire 616 universe?

That's my little monster, yes, it's alive, it's ALIVE!


Just one thing my brother, the word Warp can be used to substitute the word remake, (they basically mean the same thing) still though,

I think he's trying to say that Wanda only Warped Reality WITH IN the 616 Universe, (Which is WRONG!)

Wanda Warped/Remade the 616 Universe completely, by Exploding the Universe IN Her face, and then Remaking it a second later.

Like you pointed out so clearly, like the issue points out so clearly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think he's trying to say that Wanda only Warped Reality WITH IN the 616 Universe, (Which is WRONG!) Thats what I gathered he was saying as well, and if he would have read the saga he would be thinking differently. Its much more then just the 616 reality, its the 616 universe that is being refered to

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda Warped/Remade the 616 Universe completely, by Exploding the Universe IN Her face, and then Remaking it a second later. That happened a few times, as your scans scans show... of course she can re-write reality, but she also clearly re-made the universe, a feat far beyond what strange could do......

There is no arguing that

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)

I see this as Wanda Warping the 616 Universe.

I hope that's what you meant, otherwise....

Warping reality remaking same thing...



Originally posted by Mr Master

Maybe this will freshen your memory:

This must be another "illusion" of Wanda standing in the heart of that EXPLOSION....

I'm not going through this again, your bordering fanboy now. Yeah it really makes sense that the only way she can use her reality warping powers is to explode Universes in her face........ tell me this doesnt sound stupid


Originally posted by Mr Master
If your under the impression that Genis-Vell can blink the Universe In and Out of existence, and Split Time and Space in Two,

You need to read more comics.


Genis-Vell, before being affected by Wanda's Universal Reality Warp, NEEDED PROPULTION BOOTS to FLY

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself" Go read New Thunderbolts 1-10 he didnt need propulsion boots.... He was also able to manipulate people at the molecular level.



Originally posted by Mr Master
All of a sudden he's Folding Space to Fly. His teammates are perplexed by this. Wow..... you realize they are still in the HOM mindset right? And when Photon was changing back into his form that he was before HOM (by his own power), they were suprised.


Originally posted by Mr Master
I think your terribly confusing INSANE Genis, with the subject at hand.

Any other counters on this, take it up with Marvel the Company that created these scenerios. You have no clue who Photon is do you, he was shown to be insanely powerful before HOM.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Warping reality remaking same thing...

And, I know that.

I thought you were saying Wanda didn't Warp the 616 Universe, just reality within it.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Yeah it really makes sense that the only way she can use her reality warping powers is to explode Universes in her face........ tell me this doesnt sound stupid

No.

But it seems her method for Warping the 616 Universe entire included first BLOWING up the Universe.

Right a letter to Marvel and complain, otherwise stop dreaming that your word will overwrite whats On Panel.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Go read New Thunderbolts 1-10 he didnt need propulsion boots.... He was also able to manipulate people at the molecular level.

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4408/w29xa0.th.jpg

Again, complain to the Writers of the Comic.

They're the ones that are DEFYING your knowledge of Genis


Originally posted by thedude1948
Wow..... you realize they are still in the HOM mindset right? And when Photon was changing back into his form that he was before HOM (by his own power), they were suprised.

What does this mean?

Changing back?

Are you talking toward the end of the issue?

If so your wrong about that too.

Genis was attacked by a member of his own squad, then he was made Catatonic with some bio-agent.

They had to do this because he couldn't "turn back"

Originally posted by thedude1948
You have no clue who Photon is do you, he was shown to be insanely powerful before HOM.

Point out for me where Photon has been shown blinking the Universe In and Out of existence, and I'll agree.

And Bisecting Time and Space.

Originally posted by Mr Master

No.

But it seems her method for Warping the 616 Universe entire included first BLOWING up the Universe.

Right a letter to Marvel and complain, otherwise stop dreaming that your word will overwrite whats On Panel. What is wrong is your interpretation of the scan. The explosion is the artists interpretation of Wanda warping reality, it is a stretch (and pretty ridiculous) to think that she is blowing up universes in her face.




Originally posted by Mr Master
"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4408/w29xa0.th.jpg

Again, complain to the Writers of the Comic.

They're the ones that are DEFYING your knowledge of Genis
The writers did nothing wrong. The HOM Genis needed propulsion boots, but when his cosmic awareness kicked in he was regaining the powers of his pre-HOM self and that is why he didnt need propulsion boots.



Originally posted by Mr Master

Point out for me where Photon has been shown blinking the Universe In and Out of existence, and I'll agree.

And Bisecting Time and Space.
These scans are all from Photon pre-HOM

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7639/cosmicawaredm6.th.jpg
Photon tells his teammates that he has cosmic awareness (which explains why he was able to sense that HOM wasnt the true reality.)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/434/photon1wu4.th.jpg
Radioactive man explaining to Genis his powers over Photons, this shows why he was able to fly without propulsion boots after he was regaining his Pre-HOM powers (which happened when he realized that HOM wasnt the true reality from Cosmic Awareness.)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8451/photonmolai6.th.jpg
Here Photon shows he is able to invert multiple people's molecular structure through interspace, seems pretty impressive.

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4968/photonnukeqp8.th.jpg
And this is Photon redirecting a nuke into a spacial rift that he created...

All of this shows that what he did in HOM was not out of his powerset, There is zero proof that Wanda boosted Photon's powers why? because she never did. What she did was try to depower him, which he realized because he is cosmically aware.

Originally posted by thedude1948
What is wrong is your interpretation of the scan. The explosion is the artists interpretation of Wanda warping reality, it is a stretch (and pretty ridiculous) to think that she is blowing up universes in her face.

Complain to Marvel.


Everytime Wanda Warped 616, it was set off the same way, Universal destruction to creation.



Originally posted by thedude1948
The writers did nothing wrong. The HOM Genis needed propulsion boots, but when his cosmic awareness kicked in he was regaining the powers of his pre-HOM self and that is why he didnt need propulsion boots.

Of all your scans, I'll only concede to this one.


Originally posted by thedude1948

These scans are all from Photon pre-HOM

All of this shows that what he did in HOM was not out of his powerset,

Your trying to pull that stunt again, like in the Strange Gauntlet (unlike other people I read the scans)


NONE of those scans show Photon Splitting Reality in Two.
(You thought that was a spacerift?)

Bisecting Time and Space is beyond opening a hole into another dimension.


And NONE of those scans even remotely indicates that Your Photon can blink the Universe In and Out of Existence.



Originally posted by thedude1948
There is zero proof that Wanda boosted Photon's powers why? because she never did. What she did was try to depower him, which he realized because he is cosmically aware.

Go get more scans and prove it.

Cause so far,

Strange and ALL of is Talismans COMBINED CAN'T stand upto the Power Gem ALONE.

Wanda Blew up the Universe in her face.

Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

Wanda accelerated Genis's power to Insane Genis-Vell Levels.

Originally posted by Mr Master
NONE of those scans show Photon Splitting Reality in Two.
(You thought that was a spacerift?)

Bisecting Time and Space is beyond opening a hole into another dimension.


And NONE of those scans even remotely indicates that Your Photon can blink the Universe In and Out of Existence.
If you want a scan of him Blinking the Universe in and out of existence before HOM, than you are being ridiculous. I have already showed scans of him manipulating space. It would be a stretch to say Spider-Man could do those things on his own power but it isnt with Photon.



Originally posted by Mr Master
Go get more scans and prove it.
Show me a SCAN of Wanda powering up Genis.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange and ALL of is Talismans COMBINED CAN'T stand upto the Power Gem ALONE. Probably not directly, but he did stalemate Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet until he came to his senses

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda Remade the 616 Reality
I Agree

Originally posted by Mr Master

Wanda accelerated Genis's power to Insane Genis-Vell Levels. Dude Photon > Insane Genis. Photon is an Omniversal Telepath...

Originally posted by thedude1948
If you want a scan of him Blinking the Universe in and out of existence before HOM, than you are being ridiculous.


Come on Dude, don't give me logic.

has he done it on panel, yes or no?

If No,

then it is courtesy of Wanda he was able to blink the Universe In and Out of existence, period.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I have already showed scans of him manipulating space. It would be a stretch to say Spider-Man could do those things on his own power but it isnt with Photon.

You haven't shown me anything, except for a Spacerift, which is hardly the same as rendering Space and Time in Two.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Show me a SCAN of Wanda powering up Genis.

I already did, but here it is again.


Genis, Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg


"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg


Your right about his Cosmic Awarness making him realize it's a changed Reality, but his sudden uber increase in Power was NOT due to his awareness, Wanda's Warp is at fault there.


Originally posted by thedude1948
I Agree

kewl.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Dude Photon > Insane Genis. Photon is an Omniversal Telepath...

I hope your not saying that Photon's Cosmic awareness in on an Omniversal Scale.

And until you show me, or point to me (I have all of his issues) when and where Photon blinked the Universe In and Out of existence, I'll stand by the On Panel evidence till it's dismissed.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Probably not directly, but he did stalemate Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet until he came to his senses

Your going to make this claim again, after I disproved it?


Warlock Never tried to hurt Strange, he was trying to convince him to concede to his PLAN of eradicating ALL Evil from the Universe.


So he used the Gems on Strange, INDIVIDUALLY (ONE by ONE) ON THEIR OWN!


Time Gem:

First: Warlock tries to make him see his PLAN in the Future.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4307/s2hi5.th.jpg
"but IF TIME will Not make You reconsider Your Opposition to my Scheme"


Space Gem:

Second: Warlock sends him deep in Space (into darkness), to scare Strange
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6199/s3qt8.th.jpg
"Then if Time and Space hold No TERRORS for you" (he only mentioned Time because he had just used it before, check the issue if you wish)


Reality Gem:

Third: Warlock warps the Reality around them, attempting to mess with their senses
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9317/s4mw5.th.jpg
"How do you Reason Out a defense, when Reason itself shift its stance?"


Mind Gem:

Fourth: Warlock uses the Mind
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5918/s5rv5.th.jpg
"If my MIND GEM cannot seduce you from your purpose, THEN...I will Strike at You"


The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)


Power Gem:

"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3659/s6cx9.th.jpg
"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"


"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4613/s7it8.th.jpg
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon" (I thought You said it wasn't only the Power Gem) --- whoops ---


SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!


Soul Gem:

Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/56/s8yh0.th.jpg


Strange tells Warlock of the Future, and Warlock sees that it is true


This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg

Warlock ALWAYS Knew the outcome of this drama
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5962/s10by0.th.jpg


ONLY the Power Gem VS ALL of Strange's TALISMANS, and Strange is still saying that after TWO Panels, he will be Destroyed.

(Not just saying it, he actually saw it in the very NEAR future (or as Strange puts it, "ANY MOMENT NOW"


continues in the next post

continues...


There are only TWO instances in that issue where Warlock uses his true Power.

Here he completely overwrites Dr Strange's ability, when Strange evokes Oshtur's name (One of the Three Vishanti)
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4494/s13ro5.th.jpg


Here Warlock is juggling the Solar System at an incredible speed, without harming anything
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9074/s11xy9.th.jpg

He puts the Solar System back into Orbit like nothing
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9195/s12fb5.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Genis, Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

Your right about his Cosmic Awarness making him realize it's a changed Reality, but his sudden uber increase in Power was NOT due to his awareness, Wanda's Warp is at fault there. I looked through those scans but I dont see Wanda/Scarlet Witch mentioned anywhere.


Originally posted by Mr Master

I hope your not saying that Photon's Cosmic awareness in on an Omniversal Scale.

And until you show me, or point to me (I have all of his issues) when and where Photon blinked the Universe In and Out of existence, I'll stand by the On Panel evidence till it's dismissed. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3889/photonbb8.th.jpg


And yes I've read the issue with Strange vs the IG. Adam Warlock had the upperhand the whole time, but Strange was just holding him off until he came to his senses which he eventually did. That is why I consider this a stalemate.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7854/strangeub0.th.jpg

And look who was too scared to show up during this.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3439/eternitypissinghispantscn6.th.jpg

Originally posted by thedude1948
I looked through those scans but I dont see Wanda/Scarlet Witch mentioned anywhere.

Well then,

you mentioned Scarlet Witch when you said his Cosmic Awareness made him mindful of this Warped Reality.

Now, there is no mention of Scarlet Witch, even though it's an HOM tie in.


You claimed I was reaching, See, this...is what reaching truly is.

Originally posted by thedude1948
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3889/photonbb8.th.jpg

Learn from me,

You see you post valid proof, and I must agree, because on panel evidence is everything to me.

Nice work.


Originally posted by thedude1948
And yes I've read the issue with Strange vs the IG. Adam Warlock had the upperhand the whole time,

True.


Originally posted by thedude1948
but Strange was just holding him off until he came to his senses which he eventually did. That is why I consider this a stalemate.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7854/strangeub0.th.jpg

How this scan proves, "Strange was holding him off" I have no idea.

Be a gentleman and concede,

that like you saw in my perfectly illustrated Scans, Strange with ALL his Talismans VS just the Power Gem, was a child.

Stalemate my ass.

You know it and I know it and anyone else that saw and read my post knows it.


Originally posted by thedude1948
And look who was too scared to show up during this.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3439/eternitypissinghispantscn6.th.jpg

More like concerned than afraid, for countless worlds that would die in a confrontation with the IG.

Still, how can you not expect him to be afraid, he was owned and Replaced by the IG.

It's you thats under the impression that Strange was battling the IG.

Strange ONLY battled the Power Gem, it lasted TWO Panels, had it gone One more, Strange would have been "DESTROYED" (his own words)

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg


I can't believe your still confused about the IG and Strange incident, how is it you can't see that Warlock was NEVER trying to hurt Him, until Warlock used the Power Gem, ALONE against ALL of Strange's Talismans TOGETHER as One.

I agree if the fight with Adam Warlock went any longer Strange would have died. But it would have done alot of damage to the universe considering how Eternity reacted to the battle.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I agree if the fight with Adam Warlock went any longer Strange would have died.




Originally posted by thedude1948
But it would have done alot of damage to the universe considering how Eternity reacted to the battle.

Not at all, it was only the Power Gem.

Now had it been vs Eternity, he would of used the Gems in unison, and that would have been a whole different story.


The funny thing is that other dude "pig" or whatever, had the nerve to say Strange stalemated the Infinites and LT

I disproved both claims conclusively ofcourse.

Originally posted by Mr Master





Not at all, it was only the Power Gem.

Now had it been vs Eternity, he would of used the Gems in unison, and that would have been a whole different story.


The funny thing is that other dude "pig" or whatever, had the nerve to say Strange stalemated the Infinites and LT

I disproved both claims conclusively ofcourse.
Um, no...no I didn't. And no, no you didn't. Read more, friend. Talk much less. It's a wise choice for someone in your...less than knowledgeable position.

I said his power worked on LT and it did. I said his power beat the infinitely powered being of Shuma and it did. His power has worked on Eternity and IB, all of which are above Wanda.

Both feats were brought up to show why Strange's power NOT working on Wanda was PIS. And it was.

I disagree on the fact that the whole of HoM was full of PIS and bad writing. I see Gateway, the mutant being powerful enough to totally be free of Wanda's power but Strange unable. That's called PIS. I see Strange needing Emma, even though she is his lesser in everything. That is PIS as well.

The whole thing stunk as well as the Onslaught saga, and everyone here discounts the OS saga because of it.

Can he beat Wanda? Of course. He has.

Can she beat him without prep? No.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your going to make this claim again, after I disproved it?


Warlock Never tried to hurt Strange, he was trying to convince him to concede to his PLAN of eradicating ALL Evil from the Universe.


So he used the Gems on Strange, INDIVIDUALLY (ONE by ONE) ON THEIR OWN!


Time Gem:

First: Warlock tries to make him see his PLAN in the Future.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4307/s2hi5.th.jpg
"but IF TIME will Not make You reconsider Your Opposition to my Scheme"


Space Gem:

Second: Warlock sends him deep in Space (into darkness), to scare Strange
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6199/s3qt8.th.jpg
"Then if Time and Space hold No TERRORS for you" (he only mentioned Time because he had just used it before, check the issue if you wish)


Reality Gem:

Third: Warlock warps the Reality around them, attempting to mess with their senses
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9317/s4mw5.th.jpg
"How do you Reason Out a defense, when Reason itself shift its stance?"


Mind Gem:

Fourth: Warlock uses the Mind
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5918/s5rv5.th.jpg
"If my MIND GEM cannot seduce you from your purpose, THEN...I will Strike at You"


The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)


Power Gem:

"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3659/s6cx9.th.jpg
"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"


"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4613/s7it8.th.jpg
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon" (I thought You said it wasn't only the Power Gem) --- whoops ---


SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!


Soul Gem:

Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/56/s8yh0.th.jpg


Strange tells Warlock of the Future, and Warlock sees that it is true


This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg

Warlock ALWAYS Knew the outcome of this drama
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5962/s10by0.th.jpg


ONLY the Power Gem VS ALL of Strange's TALISMANS, and Strange is still saying that after TWO Panels, he will be Destroyed.

(Not just saying it, he actually saw it in the very NEAR future (or as Strange puts it, "ANY MOMENT NOW"


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You downplay this and it makes you look foolish.

Wanda couldn't do the same feat, she's possibly powerful enough, but not skilled enough. In the comic itself it says that both Warlock and Strange were literally putting out enough power to destroy many worlds.

Wanda could NOT stalemate the power gem. Neither could Galactus as seen earlier.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1848/houseofm02page13ux5.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1848/houseofm02page13ux5.th.jpg

She had years of prep.

Give Strange a month of prep and he'd do the same except better.

Meh. She's the queen of retcon. She was retconned to have the power of retcon. I don't get how exactly years of prep comes into play.

But, we're off the point.

Strange with prep can call on forces that are as far above Wanda as Wanda is above normal humans.

With prep, Strange wins the majority.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh. She's the queen of retcon. She was retconned to have the power of retcon. I don't get how exactly years of prep comes into play.
She used years of prep to slowly turn the world into something else. And, by sheer PIS, no one saw it. Not even the watcher.

HoM Wanda is so full of holes it's stupid.

Yeah, but for HoM they retconned her to have the power to turn the universe into something else on a crazy whim. HoM came into being instantly, and the post-HoM 616 did the same.

Originally posted by long pig
Um, no...no I didn't. And no, no you didn't. Read more, friend. Talk much less. It's a wise choice for someone in your...less than knowledgeable position.

Your the one with NO knowledge, and spewing fallacies left and right.

You got nerve homie to come back like your saying something,

"less than knowledgeable position"

Your beginning to crumble into a joke right now with that smart mouth.


Originally posted by long pig
I said his power worked on LT and it did.

BULL shit


"Strange vs LT" lmfao

LT was never trying to harm Strange, he was testing him to see if he had it in him to save the Planet Earth before LT Erased it.


This is the big wow of the issue for Strange, he breaks free from the Rings of Raggadorr that LT trapped him in.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3640/s3ba0.th.jpg


LT here gives Strange another Test, he's Not trying to Harm him in anyway

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3962/s4ey4.th.jpg
"Let it then be the Final TEST of my Powers"


Strange says about LT....."I sense a Boundless Force"
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3045/s2dw7.th.jpg


So LT sends Dr Strange on his mission or else...
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1761/s5wz2.th.jpg


Let's not kid ourselves, Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6752/s1ro8.th.jpg


Don't play yourself my boy, this is my house.

Originally posted by long pig
I said his power beat the infinitely powered being of Shuma and it did.

Infinite?

Your kidding right?

When Strange absorbed Shuma's Power he was able to manipulate a pocket dimension youpi

You want the scans, it's a pain cropping them especially seeing your overlooking them and making an ass of yourself by insulting me.

Originally posted by long pig
His power has worked on Eternity and IB, all of which are above Wanda.

"His power has worked" That's a vague statement if I seen one.


And Yes of course Eternity is above Wanda,

Wanda only REMADE Him, oh I don't know, 8 TIMES? Or was it 7? No, I'm pretty sure it was 8 freaking TIMES.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (several times my boy)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


IB, don't make laugh, not worth acknowledging.


Originally posted by long pig
Both feats were brought up to show why Strange's power NOT working on Wanda was PIS. And it was.

Why?

Because Strange can't defeat Eternity and Wanda destroyed and recreated Eternity several TIMES?

It only would have been PIS if Strange would have done more than be a submissive puppy around her.



Originally posted by long pig
I disagree on the fact that the whole of HoM was full of PIS and bad writing. I see Gateway, the mutant being powerful enough to totally be free of Wanda's power but Strange unable.

Which is why reading the story meticulously could help your understanding.

That was pre-designed.

Originally posted by long pig
That's called PIS. I see Strange needing Emma, even though she is his lesser in everything. That is PIS as well.

He didn't need her, they needed each other.


Originally posted by long pig
Can he beat Wanda? Of course. He has.

Can she beat him without prep? No.

sign23

Originally posted by long pig
You downplay this and it makes you look foolish.

Again, your mouth is your worst weapon.

Downplaying it cause it's NOT what you thought it was.

Strange was OWNED by the Power Gem ALONE, period.

Originally posted by long pig
Wanda couldn't do the same feat, she's possibly powerful enough, but not skilled enough.

"skill"?

"Your there, your not there", it takes alot of skill.


Originally posted by long pig
In the comic itself it says that both Warlock and Strange were literally putting out enough power to destroy many worlds.

In they're 3 panel struggle between the Power Gem ALONE VS ALL of Strange's TALISMANS Together as One.

And Strange still was going to be DESTROYED if it had lasted One more Panel:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg


Yes, the Power Gem ALONE would be to much for her, she's better off Destroying and Recreating the entire Universe than daring to tangle with the Power Gem....oh my

The Power Gem runforhills


Originally posted by long pig
Wanda could NOT stalemate the power gem.




Originally posted by long pig
Neither could Galactus as seen earlier.

Call me when Galactus begins to Re-Write 616 Eternity.

sleep

Oh please, I've read every Strange comic there is. And because of that, I can tell you haven't.


Also, stop showing the same cropped/taken out of context scans, please.

And no, she didn't recreate friggin' eternity. Go to Marvel.com and see that the common thought is she was a illusion master....the same way they retconned the Beyonder.

Again, since you don't know what you're saying, the infinite being HAD infinite power and Strange stole that power.

Seriously, you didn't even know Strange has multiversal power and sources. You don't even know that Eternity is multiversal....unless you think that 616 is a small dimensoin which you obviously do.

Anyway, this is all going over your head so this is what happens:
Strange beats her because he's better skilled and has a larger range of power.

Hell, Strange wins 10/10 with prep. Why? Well, he kills her parents before she's born. Strange's timetravel is better than Kang's even.

o'course, you'd need to READ Strange before knowing.

As for the I.G, the powergem can do anything. But Strange has held off the I.G when it's used with all gems like I said.

Originally posted by long pig
Oh please, I've read every Strange comic there is. And because of that, I can tell you haven't.Also, stop showing the same cropped/taken out of context scans, please.And no, she didn't recreate friggin' eternity. Go to Marvel.com and see that the common thought is she was a illusion master....the same way they retconned the Beyonder.Again, since you don't know what you're saying, the infinite being HAD infinite power and Strange stole that power.
Seriously, you didn't even know Strange has multiversal power and sources. You don't even know that Eternity is multiversal....unless you think that 616 is a small dimensoin which you obviously do.Anyway, this is all going over your head so this is what happenstrange beats her because he's better skilled and has a larger range of power.Hell, Strange wins 10/10 with prep. Why? Well, he kills her parents before she's born. Strange's timetravel is better than Kang even.
o'course, you'd need to READ Strange before talking.


blahblah

Originally posted by Mr Master
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So, you don't think he could kill her parent, thus killing her? You're that much in denial?

You must have forgotten Strange's time travel powers...oh wait, you didn't know he had them.

If you say he can't do that, and it wouldn't offer him a 10/10 win, you're just trolling.

Strange beat her when she had no prep before and he'd do it again. If she had those many years prep, she would win. The only difference between HoM Wanda and the other Wanda is she was unable to use her prep because she was taken off guard.

Originally posted by long pig
So, you don't think he could kill her parent, thus killing her? You're that much in denial?

Of course not you silly child, Wanda was in FULL Control of Time, she Rearranged Time 8 TIMES OVER.

"Illusion Master"

I can picture you smoking a joint and laughing at me.

Cause you can't be a serious person.


Originally posted by long pig
You must have forgotten Strange's time travel powers...oh wait, you didn't know he had them.

Time travel vs someone that controls ALL aspects of Reality including Time.


Originally posted by long pig
If you say he can't do that, and it wouldn't offer him a 10/10 win, you're just trolling.

I have to concede to your outlandish unsounded speculation, or I'm a troll.

Doesn't leave much room for choice.

In this case I'll take the troll (death before dishonor)


Seriously how can you expect me to take you serious, with all the exaggerated claims you've made?

Had it been just your bull shit that would of been fine, but then you have the nerve to critique my knowledge and now perception of comics, when your pumping either extreme mis-interpretations, or wierd fascinations of hate towards Wanda or it could be your just a LIAR.

Full control my ass, she never once went into the past as Strange does. If she was able, she'd have went to the past to have her real children instead of her illusions.

You still fail to grasp the fact that Strange would kill her before she was ever born. Wanda doesn't have prep here, Strange does. And that's why he wins 10/10. 100% every time.


That's what she was, an illusion master. Case in point: Hawkeye saw through it, he saw through her paper thin illusion over reality. So did Gateway.



Yes, you HAVE to. There is only two way to see my statement. Either fact, or a place to troll. All because what I said is irrefutable.


I do critique your knowledge and your ability to tell the truth. I also question your motives and your way of cutting out feats that suit your needs even out of context things.

I do all this because you have consistently tried to dodge facts and or totally ignored them.

I DON'T think you've read as much Strange as me and I DON'T believe you know more about him than me. Why? Because your words prove it.

Now, again, Strange wins 10/10 because of his larger power source, time travel and his connection to the multiverse. Also he's unable to die and he has beaten worse.

Originally posted by long pig
Full control my ass, she never once went into the past as Strange does. If she was able, she'd have went to the past to have her real children instead of her illusions.

Do you even know what CAUSALITY is?


Strange telling us that's what Wanda does, (control causality)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6681/w10if9.th.jpg

CAUSALITY is the relationship between cause and effect.

Meaning, she can change the Past the Present and the Future, by altering a Cause to achieve a different Effect.


Which is why Groucho Marx was the Mayor of Phoenix Arizona, Why Gwen (Spiderman's long dead X) was alive and well, why Captain America became a 100 year old man who had never taken the SSS:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6033/c1bd8.th.jpg

Just to name a few of many many more.


GO READ COMICS!

Originally posted by long pig
You still fail to grasp the fact that Strange would kill her before she was ever born. Wanda doesn't have prep here, Strange does.

Strange with Prep and ALL of his TALISMANS TOGETHER as ONE (every weapon at his disposal) can't even handle the POWER GEM ALONE, ALONE, ALOOOOOOONE!!!


The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)


"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3659/s6cx9.th.jpg

"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"



"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4613/s7it8.th.jpg

"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"

Gamora clarifies it for Intransigent individuals such as yourself, it was the POWER GEM, ALONE VS ALL of Strange's Power and reserves.


AFTER Three Panels (NOT even a Full Page)

Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6055/s9me6.th.jpg


GO READ COMICS!

Originally posted by long pig
That's what she was, an illusion master. Case in point: Hawkeye saw through it, he saw through her paper thin illusion over reality.

You don't know anything about what your talking about.

Hawkeye saw through her alright

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9418/w9cn5.th.jpg

HAHAHAHAHA!!!


Go READ COMICS!

Originally posted by long pig
Yes, you HAVE to. There is only two way to see my statement. Either fact, or a place to troll. All because what I said is irrefutable.

I've Disproved all your BULL shit claims,

like Strange stalemating the IG, when he couldn't even last more than THREE Panels againt the POWER GEM ALONE, LOLOLOLOL...

like Strange stalemating LT, the biggest LIE I think I have ever seen on kmc.

like Strange affecting the Infinites (HAHAHAHAHAHA!)

You even made Strange a Multi-versal power (HAHAHAHAHAH!)


GO READ COMICS!


Originally posted by long pig
I do critique your knowledge and your ability to tell the truth. I also question your motives and your way of cutting out feats that suit your needs even out of context things.

More gibberish, from a person who has nothing left, but attempt to belittle the facts.

I INVITE Anyone to go check out the issues your BULLSH*TTING about,


On the Strange stalemating the IG (Check Dr Strange vol 1-#36)

On the Strange stalemating LT (Check Strange Tales #158)

On the Strange doing anything to the Infinites (Check Avengers Infinity #1-4)


GO READ COMICS!

Originally posted by long pig
I do all this because you have consistently tried to dodge facts and or totally ignored them.

Are you on drugs?

I have addressed every LIE you have posted.


Originally posted by long pig
I DON'T think you've read as much Strange as me and I DON'T believe you know more about him than me. Why? Because your words prove it.

I don't think you've read anything, since your only LYING in your claims.

I thought you was just mis-interpreting or talking out your ass, but your actually a LIAR I have come to notice.

Your pissed at me because I brought that to light with ON PANEL PROOF.
All you have is your wise mouth, that spits garbage.


Originally posted by long pig
Now, again, Strange wins 10/10 because of his larger power source, time travel and his connection to the multiverse. Also he's unable to die and he has beaten worse.

Again, Wanda thinks, No more Strange, and No more Strange it is.

Wanda 10/10 times because she can DESTROY and RECREATE the 616 Universe with a passing whim.


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg


GO READ COMICS!

Strange has shielded himself, Silver Surfer, and Adam Warlock from universal reality warping by the Infinity Gauntlet (with all the gems used as one).

With prep he should be able to shield himself from Wanda.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8214/counteractigms2.th.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/955/counteractig2jg4.th.jpg

Originally posted by thedude1948
Strange has shielded himself, Silver Surfer, and Adam Warlock from universal reality warping by the Infinity Gauntlet (with all the gems used as one).

I know your not like the other guy, so I'll take it as a misinterpretation of yours.

Strange NEVER shielded himself or any other from the IG, or anything the IG did.
The universal warp Nebula did had NOTHING to do with harming Strange or any of the others you mentioned.

Nebula simply put the Universe back the way it was 24 hours ago.


First of all, lets get it right.

Nebula NEVER had a chance to have absolute control of the Gauntlet
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/1518/ig2wp9.th.jpg
"Nebula's inexperience and CONFUSION is our EDGE"


Thanos said it
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2915/ig12bg7.th.jpg
"You haven't the VISION necessary to properly EXPLOIT the Infinity Gems"


For a moment the Cosmics actually had a chance
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1366/ig13cy2.th.jpg
"Her Full strength is NOT Allowed to be brought into play, As EXPECTED, Nebula DOESN'T SEE this and has Fallen Victim"


This of course WOULD NEVER and did NEVER happen to Thanos
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/397/ig14ew9.th.jpg
Thanos defeated himself as you know


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continues....


OK, now back to Strange


Warlock, Strange, Surfer and Thanos realize Nebula can't sense Warlock
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1060/ig3jr9.th.jpg


Warlock points at Strange, Then Doc does some hex behind his back
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/977/ig15be9.th.jpg

Nebula then Waprs the Universe back to what it was 24 hours ago, she's such an idiot that she nearly lost right there and then, because 24 hours ago she was ROTTING FLESH with life.


Warlock sneaks up on Nebula and touches the IG, that was his plan, in order to enter the Soul Gem (which he is bonded to)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4845/ig6cf9.th.jpg
Warlock enter the Soul Gem and takes the Surfer with him


As you can see, Nebula NEVER attacks Strange in ANY way, if anything it SEEMS she attacks the Surfer, but we quickly learn that was not the case a few pages later.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8282/ig7dv5.th.jpg
Warlock falls away, Surfer is comatose (or Soulless) and Strange is kneeling beside him.

Nebula STILL has NOT attacked Strange in anyway.

This is wierd, Nebula says, "How is it that you still remain"? When she NEVER attacked them.


Then Nebula seems to think Strange had something to do with it, but to DO with WHAT? She NEVER attacked them.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1103/ig8fj2.th.jpg
He must of played a trick on her confused mind, but even I have no idea what she's referring to,
I only know for SURE she did NOT attack him.

Thanos does say, "ANOTHER Error in Judgement"
Perhaps he's letting us know, that Nebula is totally clueless as to what is going on in this scene.


Anyhow, BACK to Warlock and Surfer:

This Proves that Nebula did NOT attack Surfer

"It is ALL part of the Plan"
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4919/ig9qb5.th.jpg
It was Warlock that brought Surfer to Soul World when he touched the IG.


And this is the reason for Warlock bringing Surfer here
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3492/ig10mz3.th.jpg
Warlock needed Surfer to be a Spiritual Anchor to sustain him while he takes control of the IG from within Soul World.


Originally posted by thedude1948
With prep he should be able to shield himself from Wanda.

With prep, Strange was a child with ALL his TALISMANS Together as One versus the POWER GEM ALONE!!!

When the Power Gem ALONE, begins Destroying then Re-Writing the 616 Universe, I'll consider your opinion on that specific matter.

Nebula didnt attack Strange directly she remade the universe exactly as it was 24 hours ago raising all the people who died. EVERYONE was effected by this except those that Strange shielded.

Adam Warlock signals to Strange to cast some spell, right after Nebula remakes the Universe.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8214/counteractigms2.th.jpg

Next page you see that everything is the same as it was 24 hrs ago, with half of the people in the universe resurrected and destroyed planets realigned, everything that happened here is on a larger scale than anything Wanda has ever done.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1710/counteractig3fk6.th.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2807/counteractig4dt4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nebula STILL has NOT attacked Strange in anyway.

This is wierd, Nebula says, "How is it that you still remain"? When she NEVER attacked them.

Then Nebula seems to think Strange had something to do with it, but to DO with WHAT? She NEVER attacked them.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1103/ig8fj2.th.jpg
He must of played a trick on her confused mind, but even I have no idea what she's referring to,
I only know for SURE she did NOT attack him.
She just warped reality and she was wondering why Strange and Surfer was still there because she INCLUDED them in the reality warp.
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/955/counteractig2jg4.th.jpg

She then realized it was Strange who casted the shield that protected him and Surfer from her powers.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1103/ig8fj2.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nebula NEVER had a chance to have absolute control of the Gauntlet
"Nebula's inexperience and CONFUSION is our EDGE"
And Wanda isnt confused?



Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos does say, "ANOTHER Error in Judgement"
Perhaps he's letting us know, that Nebula is totally clueless as to what is going on in this scene.
Thanos was referring to the cosmic beings who showed up on the bottom of the very same page. It was an error in judgement because even the abstracts were effected by the reality warp placing them where they were 24 hours ago which is at that same place.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5156/ig1ki8.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
When the Power Gem ALONE, begins Destroying then Re-Writing the 616 Universe, I'll consider your opinion on that specific matter.
Maybe, but reality warping by the Infinity Gauntlet > reality warping by Wanda. I also think any person with the Infinity Gauntlet > HOM Wanda. and he DID shield himself from Universal reality warping that was done by a person more powerful than Wanda, there is absolutely no reason that he cant shield himself from Wanda if he is given prep.

I also do agree with you that Thanos and Adam with the IG > Nebula with the IG. But Nebula still has more control over the IG, than Wanda does with her power. and the IG still is more powerful than any of Wanda's power.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Nebula didnt attack Strange directly she remade the universe exactly as it was 24 hours ago raising all the people who died. EVERYONE was effected by this except those that Strange shielded.

Adam Warlock signals to Strange to cast some spell, right after Nebula remakes the Universe.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8214/counteractigms2.th.jpg

Warlock is pointing at Strange BEFORE she does the Warp.

How did he know she was going to do that?

If he's only pointing a finger, and this lets Strange know what to do, they must of came with a pre-meditated plan, which they did if you check issue #5 (the exact Plan is not known in #5 though)

And since when did Strange and the rest NOT exist 24 hours ago?

If Nebula changed everything to what it was, while would Strange & company NOT REMAIN, since they were there before?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9930/w3ts7.th.jpg
"With the EXCEPTION that I Retain possession of the IG, let EVERYTHING be as it was"

If you can point out to me when Nebula said, EVERYTHING be as it was EXCEPT for my IG and the Existence of Dr Strange and company, I'll agree.

Otherwise, Strange NEVER shielded himself or anyone else from a Universal Reality Warp.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Next page you see that everything is the same as it was 24 hrs ago, with half of the people in the universe resurrected and destroyed planets realigned,

Not exactly.

Half the population was resurrected, that's accurate.
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7002/w1vs7.th.jpg

And ONE Planet was put back in orbit, thats it.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/592/w2fn4.th.jpg

In Fact, Nebula DIDN'T even Warp the whole Universe, just those areas that were affected by Thanos.

Originally posted by thedude1948
everything that happened here is on a larger scale than anything Wanda has ever done.

Laughable.

Resurrecting Half the population of the Universe, and Replaceing the ORBIT of ONE Planet.

Versus

REMAKING the ENTIRE 616 Universe, (Not Half but ALL the population, ALL Planet, Stars, Galaxies...do I need to continue?)

Originally posted by thedude1948
She just warped reality and she was wondering why Strange and Surfer was still there because she INCLUDED them in the reality warp.
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/955/counteractig2jg4.th.jpg

Speculative.

There is NO mention ANYWHERE of what your claiming.

Strange and Surfer were there 24 Hours ago, there is NO reason whatsoever for you to suggest Nebula included them in her Warp (as to NOT Remain)


Originally posted by thedude1948
She then realized it was Strange who casted the shield that protected him and Surfer from her powers.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1103/ig8fj2.th.jpg

Protected him from what powers?

All Nebula did was UNDO what Thanos had Done.

What did Thanos do?

Erase Half the population and take ONE Planet out of it's Orbit.

If you can't prove (and I know you can't) that Nebula specifically wanted Strange and Surfer NOT to REMAIN after she undid what Thanos had done, you got nada.



Originally posted by thedude1948
Thanos was referring to the cosmic beings who showed up on the bottom of the very same page. It was an error in judgement because even the abstracts were effected by the reality warp placing them where they were 24 hours ago which is at that same place.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5156/ig1ki8.th.jpg

I agree.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Maybe, but reality warping by the Infinity Gauntlet > reality warping by Wanda.

Not in Nebula's case, since she didn't Warp the entire Universe, only undid Thanos's past actions.

And why would the Reality Warping be any different?

Wanda was the GOD of the 616 Universe during HOM. She REMADE Reality more times than Thanos ever did.

Thanos topped her when he actually became Eternity, Wanda never displayed that capacity.


Originally posted by thedude1948
I also think any person with the Infinity Gauntlet > HOM Wanda.

Speculative.


Originally posted by thedude1948
and he DID shield himself from Universal reality warping that was done by a person more powerful than Wanda,

Well I think you now know, it wasn't the Universe that was warped.

Just Half the Population was resurrected and ONE Planet was put back in orbit.


Originally posted by thedude1948
there is absolutely no reason that he cant shield himself from Wanda if he is given prep.

Well until Strange proves that On Panel, I must disagree.


Originally posted by thedude1948
But Nebula still has more control over the IG, than Wanda does with her power.

Lets save that for that thread.


Originally posted by thedude1948
and the IG still is more powerful than any of Wanda's power.

I agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock is pointing at Strange BEFORE she does the Warp.

How did he know she was going to do that?
"Your reign as a supreme being is a blasphemy which cannot be allowed to stand! And by the power of the infinity gems I shall ee that it does not!" when Nebula said this it probably signaled to Adam that she was about to do something drastic.

Originally posted by Mr Master

If he's only pointing a finger, and this lets Strange know what to do, they must of came with a pre-meditated plan, which they did if you check issue #5 (the exact Plan is not known in #5 though) Probably, the plan was for Strange to put a shield around them when Nebula was going to use her powers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And since when did Strange and the rest NOT exist 24 hours ago? They did exist but Strange and Surfer were all at Strange's house.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If Nebula changed everything to what it was, while would Strange & company NOT REMAIN, since they were there before?
They werent there.


Originally posted by Mr Master
"With the EXCEPTION that I Retain possession of the IG, let EVERYTHING be as it was"

If you can point out to me when Nebula said, EVERYTHING be as it was EXCEPT for my IG and the Existence of Dr Strange and company, I'll agree.

Otherwise, Strange NEVER shielded himself or anyone else from a Universal Reality Warp. It is a pretty good assumption that EVERYTHING included Strange and Surfer.




Originally posted by Mr Master

Not exactly.

Half the population was resurrected, that's accurate.

And ONE Planet was put back in orbit, thats it.

In Fact, Nebula DIDN'T even Warp the whole Universe, just those areas that were affected by Thanos. She changed the universe to be exactly as it was 24 hours ago so I am assuming she changed everything at least slightly.


Originally posted by Mr Master

Laughable.

Resurrecting Half the population of the Universe, and Replaceing the ORBIT of ONE Planet.

Versus

REMAKING the ENTIRE 616 Universe, (Not Half but ALL the population, ALL Planet, Stars, Galaxies...do I need to continue?)
If she said make everything the way it was .00000001 seconds ago, she is still remaking the entire universe, even if it isnt noticeable. Also did Wanda effect any abstracts?



Originally posted by Mr Master

There is NO mention ANYWHERE of what your claiming.

Strange and Surfer were there 24 Hours ago, there is NO reason whatsoever for you to suggest Nebula included them in her Warp (as to NOT Remain). They werent there... When half of the universe died Strange was holding Surfer in his house while he was crying.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4441/strangeholdingsurferpk6.th.jpg

"How is it that you two still remain?" it is 100% clear she included them in her reality warp, there is no arguing this.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Wanda was the GOD of the 616 Universe during HOM. She REMADE Reality more times than Thanos ever did.

Thanos topped her when he actually became Eternity, Wanda never displayed that capacity. Wanda has no control over her powers. I would think God would have at least some control over his.

Please don't tell me you think that Nebula w/IG MEANT not overpower Strange?

Don't be unintelligent.

Strange simply negated the entire I.G attack with a single gesture. And guess what? That's not his greatest feat.

Oh, mister, prove Wanda (tries not to laugh at you) remade Eternity, Death, IB and the rest.
Prove that she killed them.

She didn't, just as any high grade illusionist couldn't.

Of source, due to PIS, Strange didn't attempt any attack. It's a way to simply keep the plot going.

Hell, let's list the OOC and PIS moments from Strange in HoM:

1:He was unable to overpower...and he was oblivious to Wanda's illusions.
Stupid. Strange can see through any illusion. If Haweye or Gateway could, he could as well. That there calls into question the entire HoM.

His power didn't affect her as much as it has others(Death, Eternity, Galactus, LT, Infinite Shuma being etc).

Stupidity. He power had worked on higher beings why not Wanda? PIS.

Strange didn't see wanda's threat before hand

Now THAT'S stupid. Strange can become an all seer, he know everything about everything dealing in magic, yet Wanda slipped through? PIS

Strange didn't take her power away
There is no limit to what Strange can absorb. He could have simply taken her power.

He didn't do anything
Strange always fights tooth and nail.

There are hundreds more but it doesn't matter. I'm correct and that's what matters.

This is a real debate, and I like it, unlike the other comedy (no pun intended towards you Dude) your respected as a debater.

Ok.


Originally posted by thedude1948
"Your reign as a supreme being is a blasphemy which cannot be allowed to stand! And by the power of the infinity gems I shall ee that it does not!" when Nebula said this it probably signaled to Adam that she was about to do something drastic.

"Drastic"?

I suppose.

Nebula resurrected Half the Population of the universe, and put ONE Planet back in Orbit.

Her Resurrection Feat:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7002/w1vs7.th.jpg


Her Replacing ONE Planet back into Orbit, thats it.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/592/w2fn4.th.jpg

In Fact, Nebula DIDN'T even Warp the whole Universe, just those areas that were affected by Thanos.



Originally posted by thedude1948
Probably, the plan was for Strange to put a shield around them when Nebula was going to use her powers.

After examining the issue thoroughly, I concede that your correct.

I noticed Thor, Doom and Hulk ended up back on Earth when they were right next to Nebula before she changed everything back.

So yes, Strange resisted being teleported away by Nebula.


But in NO way will I submit that Strange can resist the IG.

In Nebula's hand it wasn't as effective at that point.
Because Nebula wasn't able to sense Warlock.
Because Nebula almost killed herself by returning things back to 24 hrs ago.
Because the Cosmics (EXCLUDING ETERNITY) for a moment had a chance.

Bottom line:

Because she was defeated by Force, something that would NEVER had happened to Thanos or Warlcok with the IG.



Originally posted by thedude1948
She changed the universe to be exactly as it was 24 hours ago so I am assuming she changed everything at least slightly.

I corrected myself for using the term "changed the universe"...

Because as I have proven, the ONLY Warp that Nebula executed was Changing what IS to what WAS.

Resurrecting Half the Population of the universe, and putting ONE Planet back in Orbit.

So we can't ASSUME anything, because they are telling us EXACTLY WHAT it was she did.


Originally posted by thedude1948
If she said make everything the way it was .00000001 seconds ago, she is still remaking the entire universe, even if it isnt noticeable.

Nebula did not remake the entire universe, On Panel it clearly states WHAT she did.

Resurrecting Half the Population of the universe, and putting ONE Planet back in Orbit.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Also did Wanda effect any abstracts?

Wanda REMADE the 616 Reality, that happens to be the most powerful Abstract of all, ETERNITY!


Nebula NEVER confronted ETERNITY and NEVER Remade the Universe.


Originally posted by thedude1948
Wanda has no control over her powers.

I disagree.

The use of her powers was chaotic and irresponsible, but she REMADE Eternity anytime she wished.

And in the end, Wanda Remade the Universe the way it was originally, except for the majority of Mutants, which she cancelled out their powers.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I would think God would have at least some control over his.

If that were true, God would not have lost to Warlock ALONE practically.

Who defeated Wanda during HOM?

NO ONE.

Originally posted by long pig
Of source, due to PIS, Strange didn't attempt any attack. It's a way to simply keep the plot going.

Your unsupported and unsound opinion.


Originally posted by long pig
1:He was unable to overpower...and he was oblivious to Wanda's illusions.
Stupid. Strange can see through any illusion.

Illusion?

What illusion?

The 616 UNIVERSE was REMADE ENTIRELY, that was NO Illusion.

You don't like it, to bad, complain to Marvel, your babble will NEVER overcome the On Panel Evidence.

Originally posted by long pig
If Haweye or Gateway could, he could as well. That there calls into question the entire HoM.

The only question I have, is how much more BULL shit are you going to include in your posts?

Hawkeye was just as clueless as anyone else about WHAT happened.

It was Wolverine that told him what Wanda had done.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6521/h1vy8.th.jpg


Hawkeye SPEAKING: "What about me? WHAT WAS I, BEFORE the World went White"?
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/9630/h2av8.th.jpg


"You were DEAD Clint"
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7558/h3qw4.th.jpg


On the Gateway issue, Banner had become part of Gateway's clan, Banner meditated LONG and HARD, and Gateway was with him in these meditations.
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/4641/h4eh7.th.jpg


Gateway was CLUELESS too, just like Hawkeye.
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9681/h5kh4.th.jpg
Until Banner's LONG and HARD meditation broke his ignorance.


In fact, Gateway ONLY Knew about what happened to Reality because of Banner,
Banner gained this knowledge but had it locked INSIDE of him, luckily for Gateway, he was able to see inside Banner's sub-conscience


AT the end of the issue, Gateway figures it out, from what he saw inside Banner.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7791/h6va5.th.jpg


Originally posted by long pig
His power didn't affect her as much as it has others(Death, Eternity, Galactus, LT, Infinite Shuma being etc)

You can pump this FALLACY all you want,

I already proved that Strange is NOTHING to LT

Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6752/s1ro8.th.jpg

I already proved that Eternity is NOTHING to Wanda

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... AGAIN" (AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

Death?
Wanda is Immortal.

Galactus?
Don't make me laugh.

Shuma?
Even a bigger joke than Galactus.


Originally posted by long pig
Stupidity. He power had worked on higher beings why not Wanda? PIS.

In your fantasies yes, On Panel? NO.


Originally posted by long pig
Strange didn't see wanda's threat before hand

Because she's FAR FAR beyond his power.


Originally posted by long pig
Now THAT'S stupid. Strange can become an all seer, he know everything about everything dealing in magic, yet Wanda slipped through? PIS

Because she's FAR FAR beyond his power.


Originally posted by long pig
Strange didn't take her power away
There is no limit to what Strange can absorb. He could have simply taken her power.

Yes, Strange is the undercover One Above ALL


Originally posted by long pig
He didn't do anything
Strange always fights tooth and nail.

Because he couldn't, try and except the facts.


Originally posted by long pig
I'm correct and that's what matters.

If you wasn't so intransigent, you would notice how ridiculous you must seem to whoever reads our posts.