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So, you're blaming Columbine on the theory of evolution?

I personally blame Marilyn Manson and Mortal Kombat. It clearly had to with the Columbine shootings.

Originally posted by Draco69
I personally blame Marilyn Manson and Mortal Kombat. It clearly had to with the Columbine shootings.



Well, according to the movie Elephant, it's spitballs and Hitler documentaries.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well, according to the movie Elephant, it's spitballs and Hitler documentaries.

Hmm. But, Marilyn Manson's music was so provocative, I think it clearly brainwashed the teenagers into violence.

Originally posted by Draco69
Hmm. But, Marilyn Manson's music was so provocative, I think it clearly brainwashed the teenagers into violence.



Oh, I have no doubt.

JIA is amazing. I thought he had made the most ignorant thread ever, but then I saw this.

This is for you JIA...

I can only "lol" at this thread

ITSW A NUT!

Can we get this closed?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, you're blaming Columbine on the theory of evolution? Shouldnt be as you have hinted...............it was a sick sick person (s)...............

I can see JIA doing a Columbine type incident.

JIA: "Don't worry! Your brains may be spilling across the pavement, but Jesus and I still love you very, very much!"

What brains...I swear he's just two hands attached to a tape recorder.

JIA was raised like much of us here.....................It will only take time for him to see.......don't be too harsh............

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is it mere coincidence that those innocent people lost their lives to those Darwinian Theory proponents? I say no. I believe that there is a correlation between what we believe and what we do. If we believe that we are just animals then perhaps this will lower our inhibitions to behave like animals. (see bolded text) Ah yes, so you are admitting that Christianity is solely responsible for the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, racism, sexism, prejudice in general? Excellent, we have an apologizer!!!

Originally posted by Strangelove
(see bolded text) Ah yes, so you are admitting that Christianity is solely responsible for the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, racism, sexism, prejudice in general? Excellent, we have an apologizer!!! They are.

Originally posted by Strangelove
(see bolded text) Ah yes, so you are admitting that Christianity is solely responsible for the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, racism, sexism, prejudice in general? Excellent, we have an apologizer!!!

YAY!

why not just blame the jews?

YEAH! ****ING JEWS!

Originally posted by PVS
why not just blame the jews? that sounds like a plan

No, the Jews were never responsible..............It was the Christians that made them that........a scape goat.............and it has followed them all these centuries............."Christ Killers", when infact it was Rome who did the deed.............and that is according to the bible.......other scriptures tell a different story................

Here is a paper written by Marilyn Manson concerning Columbine, a much more thoughtful discussion than the one presented by Frank Peretti, especially considering his music was one of the things held as blame for the occurrence. A proper stance cannot be taken without considering varying positions on a subject.

Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?

and Christianity is that much better... it basically says you can do whatever the hell you want in life as long as you make up with jesus later... oh boy I just went on a killing spree, but as long as I accept Jesus I will be just fine...

Christianity is sooo bad and evil in what was taught and expepected of you..............along with the middle ages......no no no...........I would not chose it................They are only better now cause Napoleon through the bishops and pope was thrown in prison.,........that is when they lost their real power.

All actions are a sumn of consequences anyway. Things like columbine are not linear cause and effect relationships.

So if a religious nut attacks a school then it should teach evolution?

Maybe it could expalin why JIA is so effed up ... creation shure cant ... unless his clay was dropped.

There are other countries that do not teach Christianity and they do not have these kind of shootings.

Originally posted by PVS
why not just blame the jews? lYes lets do that.............everyone does..........sweety.

Originally posted by debbiejo
lYes lets do that.............everyone does..........sweety.

Maybe not everyone, but Mel Gibson sure does...


And JIA: read this. This is the real reason they shot up the school....Plain and simple; Harris was a sociopath and Klebold was a follower.

http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/

so....it was the jews and marilyn manson, plus they were sociopathic....settled

Originally posted by PVS
so....it was the jews and marilyn manson, plus they were sociopathic....settled No actually it was people from NJ......

That school did nothing that was beyond normal.............It was the out cased that did what they did..............just as they live amongst us,..............and this is a free country, it will happen again and did.

Originally posted by debbiejo
No actually it was people from NJ......

That school did nothing that was beyond normal.............It was the out cased that did what they did..............just as they live amongst us,..............and this is a free country, it will happen again and did.

What do people from NJ have anything to do with it?

Oh, it was a joke.............

JIA... How long has evolution been taught in schools? Around 75 years right? Do you realize that murder, rape, thievery and generally dishonesty have been around FAR longer than that? I know where this sudden 'evolution causes moral decay' cra@p comes from,(it's also being blamed on the Amish school shooting) the Columbine school shooting is being blamed on evolution teachings because the scumbags are claiming that evolution theory lead them to it i.e. the strong survive and one of the kids had a t-shirt printed with "Natural Selection". Both are a FAR reach.

Here's the thing though, do you blame evolution teachings or do you blame the people for their own actions? If you choose to blame evolution and pass the buck, then in all fairness you must then equally or to a greater extent blame God and Religion (Christianity included) as the cause of murder and crimes since there have being many cases when nutjob murders have claimed that "God told me to do it". One fairly recent example, Paul Jennings Hill a Presbyterian minister, he murdered two people because of "God's will"; do you blame God & Christianity on the murders or do you blame the nutjob Paul Hill?

You talk about evolution,............well that may just be true, but not only in this way.............all things changes and that includes thoughts and experiences.................

Originally posted by Robtard
(it's also being blamed on the Amish school shooting) Seriously? I haven't been paying enough attention to that case

Originally posted by Strangelove
Seriously? I haven't been paying enough attention to that case

Not directly, but it is impied.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8095

Excerpt from the story:

In light of Monday's shooting at a Pennsylvania Amish school, CBS invited Brian Rohrbough, the father of a victim of the 1999 Columbine school massacre, to speak on "freeSpeech."

Quite simply, Mr. Rohrbough delivered a powerful and thoughtful editorial. His commentary is a must-read/must-see (link (with video)). Among other things, Mr. Rohrbough said:

This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.

We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. And I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children.

Suicide has become an acceptable action and has further emboldened these criminals. And we are seeing an epidemic increase in murder-suicide attacks on our children.

Sadly, our schools are not safe ...

Oh. Well, he's Amish

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Repercussions of Evolution

Views: 197 Why does it matter that the unscientific farce called evolution is taught in our public schools? Please click below to find out (from www.pluggedinonline.com).

The height of idiocy.

Afterwards they blamed it on everything from Marylin Manson to vidiogames to drugs and all the rest. The claim evolution did this? Absurd.

Oh, and here is a wild idea - do you think gun control might have made a difference?

First of all - there is 0, read IT 0% of statistical evidence that shows evolution and its teaching leads to increases in crime, moral degradation, depression or anything else. Need me to say it again? 0%

Second - Christianity has existed for 2000 years - oh my, all manner of bad things continued through that time. Oh dear, what does that say about Christianity? All that violence? Oh and those people that boil their children? And the ones who beat them for not living up to unnatural biblical standards? Or the gay children who commit suicide after protracted depression due to bad reactions from Christian families? And...

Newsflash: Christians commit crime. Muslims commit crime. Atheists commit crimes. INDIVIDUALS commit crimes.

But to use a bit from Talkorigins.com:



It is a popular Christian claim. One, that sadly, has even less evidence supporting it then most (if that is even possible.)



Well, would you look at that? The point is you couldn't find a single demographer or social scientist that would argue that teaching evolution is the source of mankind's ills. And if you did, well, you would be equally justifying those claims religion is the cause of all war.



And I think any person thinking of becoming a bigoted nincompoop should be made read posts like yours. I suspect many would reconsider faster then you can say "Watch me exploit the dead."

Because I love the way to make your points you feel happy exploiting terrible situations to make claims based on other claims that are viewed as having no legitimacy. "Oooo, all you grieving parents, evolution killed you children. But don't disappear, God loves you, even though he let the bullets fly straight and true." Disgusting.

Isn't there just a point?

Originally posted by Alliance
Isn't there just a point?

For some reason I imagine JIA wielding a tridant like thing, but the wrong away wound, so whenever he tries to hammer home the points it does him more damage then the thing he is attacking.

kind of like the guy who doesn't know which end of the lightsaber the blade comes out of?

Originally posted by Alliance
kind of like the guy who doesn't know which end of the lightsaber the blade comes out of?

Pretty much, though lightsabers are to cool to be owned by people who claim Columbine was caused by teaching evolution.

I bet evolution spawned other evil things like Islam, the world wars, and hot pockets.

Originally posted by debbiejo
JIA was raised like much of us here.....................It will only take time for him to see.......don't be too harsh............ Silly debbie. Much of us here aren't pod people.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Silly debbie. Much of us here aren't pod people.

True, true.

Few people know that pod people are also a product of evolution. That, or the IPod craze.

I vote we take the pod people and rejuvenate the Soylent Green industry. Breakfast of champions.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I vote we take the pod people and rejuvenate the Soylent Green industry. Breakfast of champions.

With a side of JesusIsAlive Juice?

Hmmmm. That makes me hungry. I could go for a Soylent Green Burger about now.

HAHAHAHAHA

God created everything, including Klebold and Harris.
Therefore, God is responsible for Columbine.

Of course, God created JIA too...

So God should clearly be censured.

I think even God is annoyed by JIA

Originally posted by crazy
I think even God is annoyed by JIA

Wouldn't you be annoyed if someone was constantly ruining your reputation ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wouldn't you be annoyed if someone was constantly ruining your reputation ?

Its called slander.

Originally posted by Alliance
I bet evolution spawned other evil things like Islam, the world wars, and hot pockets.

Don't forget homosexuality, the greatest of all evils

God Bless

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura

Oh, and here is a wild idea - do you think gun control might have made a difference?


Those two idiots could have just as easily stolen a dump-truck and drove it into the cafeteria. People have been killing each other for centuries, if it's not firearms, it's something else.

No, not natural selection. Video games and loud music are to blame, everyone knows that.

Jesus Christ is Lord. Do you want eternal life? Then admit that you are a sinner, then ask Jesus Christ to give you life eternal. Jesus does not condemn you, He died for you. Will you accept Jesus now? This good news is for anyone to take advantage of. God loves the world and gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ is Lord. Do you want eternal life? Then admit that you are a sinner, then ask Jesus Christ to give you life eternal. Jesus does not condemn you, He died for you. Will you accept Jesus now? This good news is for anyone to take advantage of. God loves the world and gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

So... in failing to support the unsupportable claim teaching evolution leads to immorality or crime you fall back on preprepared "Do you want eternal life?" statements? Statements that serve no purpose but to peddle you view of the world which, in light of this thread, is not on solid ground?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So... in failing to support the unsupportable claim teaching evolution leads to immorality or crime you fall back on preprepared "Do you want eternal life?" statements? Statements that serve no purpose but to peddle you view of the world which, in light of this thread, is not on solid ground?

He is a little kooky. Kind of like a little kid even.

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See that these claims are clearly absurd? Something the rest of us already see? And that it does his cause no good to promote them?



But not in a cool Adam's Family kind of way.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ is Lord. Do you want eternal life? Then admit that you are a sinner, then ask Jesus Christ to give you life eternal. Jesus does not condemn you, He died for you. Will you accept Jesus now? This good news is for anyone to take advantage of. God loves the world and gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

how the hell does that have anything to do with this topic... that was pretty much worthless spam...

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The First chapter of the Book of Romans best describes you and others who hold the Word of God in derision...it would do you well to read it...even if you don't believe it.

Marchello

Jesus is Alive...just not when it matters.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ is Lord. Do you want eternal life? Then admit that you are a sinner, then ask Jesus Christ to give you life eternal. Jesus does not condemn you, He died for you. Will you accept Jesus now? This good news is for anyone to take advantage of. God loves the world and gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

So you basically gave up arguing your point...right?

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
So you basically gave up arguing your point...right?

Argue? I don't argue. I state my opinion and I support it, but I don't argue, or at least I do not attempt to argue.

I don't see it that way at all. I stated my point and then sat back to let you all plug in your opinions to see what you all think.

JIA needs to learn what a source is. And that the internet, while a wonderful organ of free speech, is also uncomparably the worlds most factually incorrect compilation of information.

Now come on Alliance, don't bad mouth the internet like that, quite a lot of websites on the net are a very good recource. (It's just that people don't use them.)

What do you think the percentage the total those websites are?

I use the internet for research especially. But the vast majroity is crap and all these schools are not teaching children what a proper source is.

So they grow up ignorant.

Originally posted by Alliance
What do you think the percentage the total those websites are?

I use the internet for research especially. But the vast majroity is crap and all these schools are not teaching children what a proper source is.

So they grow up ignorant. Well, I can't really say what percentage of the internet is useful recources because 90% is porn. And as for that last comment, it really depends on the country/state/county.

ok...assuming full access to public domain sites. I'd say 10% is credible. If you add in scholarly resources that you need to pay to access copyright, I'd say 20% tops.

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Marchello

Marchello , please use the quote feature..its located at the bottom near EDIT button....

It will make it easier to read your worthless posts. Thanks

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Marchello , please use the quote feature..its located at the bottom near EDIT button....

It will make it easier to read your worthless posts. Thanks

Don't bother, everyones opinion is N/A.

Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Don't bother, everyones opinion is N/A.

Saying gun control is the problem would be like saying my pencil made the mistake.

Its PART of the problem.

Originally posted by Zero25
Saying gun control is the problem would be like saying my pencil made the mistake.

Originally posted by Marchello

***Christians are NOT here to "promote" anything. What we are here to do is to "proclaim" the "love of God" for fallen mankind in the Person of Jesus Christ the Lord. Too, you don't have to believe it...that is a choice only you can make...but that does not negate the fact that we, as His disciples, are obligated to tell you and others of His love for you and the mercy that He has extended to you in Christ Jesus.

You could have fooled me. What you are doing is "evangelising" - it is essentially promotion of your religion over all others. You believe it is right and all that jazz - you promote it by proclaiming it as such. You try and promote it by using garbage like this "evolution and teaching it lead to social ills."

I don't have to believe it? Your right. However in not believing it I debate you "authority" to claim you a right. I doubt your authority, and as such I think you should listen to other people - because, you know, they might ACTUALLY know what they are talking about? Just because they are religious doesn't render them wrong. Especially if it turns out there is no God.



Heard it all before from JIA - using Biblical quotes to make yourself feel better then the people that don't agree with you is a poor debating tactic.



Yet yours is? Of course in this case my opinion is based upon common sense and fact - you know, fact? That teaching evolution no way contributes to violence? That such claiming it is is in fact idiocy? Maybe you'd like to, oh, I don't know, find some statistics that prove you claims that weren't cooked up by some lonely priest? Like ones from... the beruo of statistics? Oh wait - there are no statistics that support the claim!



As above - people were quick to blame everything thing but themselves in this tragedy. Games, music, movies, evolution. Weak argument - absurd!



Which is of course why gun control has been shown to be effective in all nations that utilise it in reducing gun related crime?



It is the prosecutions job to provide evidence as to the guilt of something. Why don't you provide some proof?

Or maybe you could look at those quotes I provided?



You ignorance is astounding. I mean I am fairly agog at the extent of it.

You support the claim that "teaching evolution has increased violence and crime"

I point out that violence and crime have existed for ever, including while Christianity was being taught, and it was in fact greater in the past then the present.

So you say:

Crime during religious control - means nothing about Christianity.

Crime while evolution is being taught - Evolution is evil and leads to crime.

Dear me - use you brain, that lump of matter in your head, and see if you can detect your hypocrisy there.




Way to miss the point again.



There is a reason why lectures and university professors warn people off relying on the Internet to form the basis of there argument -

1st: It allows every person to present there evidenced theory.

2nd: As a result it allows other people to use that unevidenced theory and claim it is fact (JIA)

3rd: It is often poorly sourced/plagiarised.

4th: It is full of crippling inaccuracies.

And so on. There is useful stuff assessable by way of the Internet - I frequent journal databases when I can't access a hard copy - Jstore etc etc. But that is simply accessing books and journals stored on the Internet. I have never met a single teacher who would give a pass grade on a paper which only used Internet sources - unless it was using the Internet to access actual, evidenced books and journals and lectures.

That was long.

Originally posted by Alliance
That was long.

Yes, I don't understand it - the site sometimes cuts my posts off as to long, and other times lets me ramble on.

But really I am doing it so if Marcelle wants to respond it will be highly frustrating with his ***

Just imagine him trying to respond to that in any readable fashion.

I can't.

Originally posted by Alliance
I can't.

Exactly. Tis impossible.

He will learn to use the quote feature or...

...or he wont.

Originally posted by Alliance
...or he wont.

Always a risk.

Indeed. People don't understand that people are more willing to listen to their argument if they aren't annoying.

Columbine rejects God?

What a surprise.

Why is that?

Why would a school who lost 13 lives in a shooting, reject God?

Gee I have no clue....

God damn this thread is stupid.

Originally posted by BackFire
God damn this thread is stupid.

Originally posted by BackFire
God damn this thread is stupid.

Amen to that.

Originally posted by Alliance
I bet evolution spawned other evil things like Islam, the world wars, and hot pockets. Evolution sank the Titanic too

Originally posted by Strangelove
Evolution sank the Titanic too

And it is a little known fact but Yoko Ono is a big fan of evolution and is motivated by it. Thus evolution helped break The Beetles up.

Well eveyone knows that the little ***** broke them up, so maybe evolution did.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And it is a little known fact but Yoko Ono is a big fan of evolution and is motivated by it. Thus evolution helped break The Beetles up. Evolution, how you hath wronged us!

Originally posted by BackFire
God damn this thread is stupid.

Then can you use your mod-powers to make it go away?

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Why do you have to post in a manner where you come off as a retard, just use the quote function and you will sound that much more intelligent!

I may be out of line, but respectfulness of everyones believes are what we should do..........

(hides now)

I feel a gang up on a belief here and I used to be one of those............hmm

though much opened minded.

Originally posted by Marchello
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BOTTOM-LINE: It's not the lack of use of the quote function that you don't like...it's the CONTENT of my post that you don't like.

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BOTTOM-LINE: It's not the lack of use of the quote function that you don't like...it's the CONTENT of my post that you don't like.

Marchello

We don't like either, but your lack of use of the function just makes it annoying as hell to read.

Its SO damn easy...it even frames it in a nice little box and references the original poster.

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I'm part of this forum to discuss issues, not to ignore people with opinons I don't like.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is what I have labored to convey to them. We proclaim Jesus not religion.

Here are some of my posts on the subject of religion:

Just because you claim not to be professing religion, it is implied. First of all the only religion I can think of Jesus CHRIST being a savior and messiah is CHRISTianity. So your are still pushing your religion unto us.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
We proclaim Jesus not religion.

when there is no difference between the two, they are the same thing. You use Jesus and/or your religion to promote hate and intolerance. Basically, it's not my gay ass burning in hell you should be worrying about. It's your own difference-loathing, intolerate ass.

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BOTTOM-LINE: It's not the lack of use of the quote function that you don't like...it's the CONTENT of my post that you don't like.

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You are right, it is definitely a little of both though. You make it annoying to even attempt to read your arguements.

Originally posted by crazy
You are right, it is definitely a little of both though. You make it annoying to even attempt to read your arguements.

Yeah it's just a little to hectic for the eyes. Too, much going on. sometimes its too much to read your post, so for some your point never reaches.

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Thank you for your post...it is a joyful experience to see "one of my own brothers" proclaiming the Love of Christ to these people on this thread. I am so gratified to know that you take your faith so seriously and labor so intensely to show your love to them by your faithful witness. We must endure to the end for the appearing of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is even at the door...and the chastening of His people Israel has begun. Pray for Israel, dear brother...for they need our prayers. Continue the labor for the fields are ripe for the Harvest...and when He appears He will give us the Crown of Eternal Life.

Marchello

Sounds like someone has overrun a town with children. I think Isaac has changed his name. ermm

Originally posted by Marchello
***Tis not a hard thing to do.

Oh your humor is positively Divine (read nonexistent.)



I am pleased you are able to quibble over something like that. Shocking. Your religion depends on a person - it is still a religion, a set of beliefs organised based upon a holy text.

You are promoting it. If you werent promoting it you wouldn't be presenting the case for it as you are, nor would JIA.



Uh huh. So you go on a misguided offensive against my post where I object logically and rationally about JIA claim teaching evolution led to the school shooting yet you don't actually support his stance?

Logically people would have assumed to you supporting him. Perhaps you could have used you own style of debate on the argument he is presenting if you don't agree with it?



Dear me. You are one of those who believes that a person who doesn't agree with you is instantly a child of Satan? Well here is something to chew on - I don't believe in Satan. Nor God. Now if not believing in God automatically makes one a child of Satan I don't see how not believing in Satan still maeks one a child of him.

Besides - my father is flesh and blood and is currently at home doing paper work.



AH WONDERFUL ARGUMENT! BRILLIANT! STUPENDOUS!

"I don't have to listen to people who disagree with me because they are dead (spiritually) - the only people I listen to are religious, and they don't disagree."

And you call me a fool? Your world view is one of the most evil things I have seen all day. The joke "a person without God is incapable of being good" is so funny it hurts.



Getting funnier by the moment.

JesusIsAlive is a million times preferable to you. At least behind his preaching seems to be a genuine wish to help people.

You on the other hand are hideously judgemental and summery. You belong prosecuting people during Inquisistions:

"You are dead all ready. As the flames consume you I will pray God has mercy on your soul."



Where did you get your education? You attack my post, disputing what I said, yet you don't disagree with it? You didn't mention evolution but you are came off as defending a theory it was responsible for a school shooting?

Maybe you should have debated the theory JIA posted?



Oh no. You don't argue. You state.



Um.... no I wasn't. Your ignorance is greater then I would have suspected if you somehow believe violence only occurs in Catholic religion. Christianity as a whole has violence in it. As does Islam. And all the rest - you don't seem to understand: Crime was not less while creationism was being taught. In fact it seems it was higher - not just for Catholics. But for Protestant and Methodist and all the rest.

Don't imply Catholics alone are responsible for crime.

Oh my. This has gotten out of hand.

well, you guys do realize these two are the same person, don't you?

What gives you that impression?

If you google religous issues, this site pops up...hence why I think we've been seeing a rise in nuts.

Because JIA is Whob. And now their following his ridiculous pattern of different members finding each other to agree and then verbally masturbating each other.

I don't know what's more sad. The fact that I can see the pattern, or that it exists at all.

All these people do is masturbate eachother, its the only way they can feel right in a world that is 100% against them.

Its isolating, and isolation leads to radicalism and further delision...ala North Korea.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
well, you guys do realize these two are the same person, don't you? But socking is against Jesus! scared

Really?

Originally posted by Strangelove
But socking is against Jesus! scared

I used to jerk off into socks

thats awesome. every JIA thread topic should be changed to 'masturbation tecniques'

I'll request that the mod's change them

Originally posted by Alliance
Really? I would assume

Originally posted by Robtard
Not directly, but it is impied.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8095

Excerpt from the story:

In light of Monday's shooting at a Pennsylvania Amish school, CBS invited Brian Rohrbough, the father of a victim of the 1999 Columbine school massacre, to speak on "freeSpeech."

Quite simply, Mr. Rohrbough delivered a powerful and thoughtful editorial. His commentary is a must-read/must-see (link (with video)). Among other things, Mr. Rohrbough said:

This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.

We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. And I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children.

Suicide has become an acceptable action and has further emboldened these criminals. And we are seeing an epidemic increase in murder-suicide attacks on our children.

Sadly, our schools are not safe ...

And that was from the father of a Columbine victim?


Perhaps JIA isn't as "crazy" as you'd like him to be.


Perhaps others (half of this country by most accounts) are conservative in values, and Christian in beliefs.


Perhaps.....

God is REAL.

Hmm... this is the religion forum after all.

If God is real, what then?

Where do all of your arguments go?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
well, you guys do realize these two are the same person, don't you?

A sound theory.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Perhaps JIA isn't as "crazy" as you'd like him to be. Not crazy? My world is crashing down around me cry

Evolution is not to blame for Columbine. The individual actions of two disturbed kids are to blame. More often than not, the blame doesn't go further than the people involved

Originally posted by Strangelove
Not crazy? My world is crashing down around me cry

Evolution is not to blame for Columbine. The individual actions of two disturbed kids are to blame. More often than not, the blame doesn't go further than the people involved

I say that using a theory as a scape goat is pathetic. And not only that, but using it in a way that will make the truth disappear denial. It might be a harsh opinion but thats how I see it.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that was from the father of a Columbine victim?


Perhaps JIA isn't as "crazy" as you'd like him to be.


Perhaps others (half of this country by most accounts) are conservative in values, and Christian in beliefs.


Perhaps.....

God is REAL.

Hmm... this is the religion forum after all.

If God is real, what then?

Where do all of your arguments go?

Listen, I know you're big on your faith, but JIA is beyond rationality, even for most religious people.

"God is REAL" is not an argument, its is not fact, it is not supported, especially not in a realistic sense.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that was from the father of a Columbine victim?


Perhaps JIA isn't as "crazy" as you'd like him to be.


Perhaps others (half of this country by most accounts) are conservative in values, and Christian in beliefs.


Perhaps.....

God is REAL.

Hmm... this is the religion forum after all.

If God is real, what then?

Where do all of your arguments go?

I know... because the shattered father of a shooting victim is of course a valid source of commentary on why exactly the shooting happened.

When the next malaria outbreak happens in Africa I am going over there to interview the poor father whose baby died as to why he think it happened and he'll give a valid lecture on disease vectors and the lack of centralised medical systems.

And maybe an car accident victim can be made talk about all the design faults inherent in the engineering theory of the new car.

Just because he lost someone doesn't actually make him an authority. In fact it means his motives and the like have to be scrutinised even more closely. It was emotional. Heart rendering. Moving - but far from accurate, and fails to take into account the actual trends in crimes, child mentality and all the rest. And like in far to many cases blame is targeted against things that aren't responsible and religious biases come out. It is one of those things that happens in grief - ones own pain and views eclipses all else. One feels that pain validates their views - religious, moral, political, artistic.

Abortion, evolution the rest - they are not responsible for what happened. And this is a rather Americanised view - evolution is taught in Australian schools. English schools. New Zealand schools. And the idea of "expelling God from the school" has had no negative impact on school safety in the schools of this nation. This seems to suggest that perhaps it is society that should be examined. Not easy to blame things like video games and evolution.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that was from the father of a Columbine victim?


Perhaps JIA isn't as "crazy" as you'd like him to be.


Perhaps others (half of this country by most accounts) are conservative in values, and Christian in beliefs.


Perhaps.....

God is REAL.

Hmm... this is the religion forum after all.

If God is real, what then?

Where do all of your arguments go?


So what exactly is your point ?

How are you trying to link Evolution with the Columbine Shootings? Did God punish the school for teaching evolution by sending two "plagues" to shoot the infidels ? Is this another example of God's wrath ?

Or did Satan plant this evil through the teaching of evolution which somehow evolved into two miserable men killing innocent people ?


Because I happen to recall that the Christian Church's history isn't too clean bro....ALL THEY TAUGHT was creationism and theology, yet the Church is responsible for more tragedies than any other organization combined (look up: Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquistion, Crusades, Indulgences, etc.)

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***Not so. JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational. It is you and others of your persuasion that are irrational for you have no moral compass for your beliefs...and depend on your own "opinions" and "rationalizations" based on your corrupt belief system that has no God...a belief system that elevates MAN to the position of God.

Contrary to what you and the world believes...most "religious" people are NOT Christians...they are "religious" but LOST. What JIA believes is based on the "truth" of the Scriptures and because of this...he is NOT part of the so-called "religious" community of "christians" who do NOT hold to the Scriptures as the SOLE AUTHORITY in things pertaining to God . I, as does JIA, believe that the ONLY revelation of God to mankind is the Scriptures...and they ALONE are the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY by which we are to believe and live our lives in service and obedience to Him .

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***The Scriptures do NOT defend the existence of God...they DECLARE Him: "In the Beginning God..." You are not compelled to believe in Him...that is your choice ...but because you don't believe He exists is NOT proof that He DOESN'T exist.

We, as Christians, believe that God exists...that He visited man in the person of Jesus Christ ...and was "clothed" in flesh and dwelt among us...went to the Cross and SUBSTITUTED Himself on our behalf and took the punishment of our sins upon Himself to REDEEM us from the consequences of those sins in HELL!...and He remembers our sins NO MORE. That is what He did for us...He laid it down...and took it UP AGAIN...and because He did...we who trust in Him will ARISE also to ETERNAL life IN HIM. All others will ARISE...but will ONLY see CONDEMNATION and DEATH without Him.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
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***Not so. JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational. Yes, from the Scriptures, not reality

Originally posted by Marchello
JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational.

Deleting the rest of your post, which is simply preaching and not adding anyhting to the discussion....


If JIA was so correct, the all the evidence in the world should support his Gods existance, and it clearly does not.

There is only ONE thing that supports his god's existance, and that the Scripture, which he blatantly mininterprets to his own ends.

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***Not so. The reason that you say it doesn't add anything to the discussion is because you do not want to face the truth...it inflames your "sensibilities"...you do not want to face the fact that you are a sinner...that there is a God that does not look kindly upon sin...and that He requires that all men repent of their sins or face the penalty for them. In your convoluted way of thinking...if you can eliminate God from existence...then you can become the God of your own existence...answerable to no one!

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***Yes it does...God holds all men responsible for their refusal to acknowledge what He has shown them of Himself in His creation. Even those who have never had an opportunity to hear the Gospel have received a clear witness about the existence and character of God...and have suppressed it. If a person will respond to the revelation he has, even if it is solely a natural revelation, God will provide some means for that person to hear the Gospel.

Man is conscious of God's existence, power, and divine nature through general revelation...but they refuse to acknowledge that every good thing they enjoyed comes fron God. Man's search for meaning and purpose produces only vain, meaningless conclusions. When man rejects the truth, the darkness of spiritual falsehood replaces it .

Man rationalizes his sin and proves his utter foolishness by devising and believing his OWN philosophies about God, the universe, and himself .

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***You are no expert on the interpretation of Scripture and, therefore, not in a position to make such a statement from a position of certified knowledge. Therefore your pronouncement is purely personal and subjective...not one based on fact...and must be rejected out of hand.

Marchello

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
...JesusIsAlive is a million times preferable to you. At least behind his preaching seems to be a genuine wish to help people.

You on the other hand are hideously judgemental and summery. You belong prosecuting people during Inquisistions:

"You are dead all ready. As the flames consume you I will pray God has mercy on your soul...."


I reject the characterization that you hold of me being a million times preferable to my brother in Christ Marchello. I am on equal footing with my brother in Christ, and I give preference to him.

My brother in Christ has a genuine a desire to help people as I do (if not more so than I), this fact is conspicuously apparent in his posts. I have not found at all, in no way, shape, or form that my brother in Christ is even remotely judgmental. He labors as do I in the face of relentless opposition and biting criticism to convey the message of the gospel out of bona fide concern and love for all on this forum, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. The old divide and conquer strategy (preferring me above my brother in Christ to inspire in me an air of superiority over him) would lead to division among us. But I nip this tactic in the bud, it will not prevail here, and it will proceed no further. For we are one in Christ Jesus. I am no better than my brother in Christ in any respect, again, if anything I give preference to my brother in Christ.

Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;

Originally posted by Marchello
The reason that you say it doesn't add anything to the discussion is because you do not want to face the truth...it inflames your "sensibilities"...you do not want to face the fact that you are a sinner...that there is a God that does not look kindly upon sin...and that He requires that all men repent of their sins or face the penalty for them. In your convoluted way of thinking...if you can eliminate God from existence...then you can become the God of your own existence...answerable to no one!

You're ignorance is continually astounding. I don't care if I sin in your religion. Its YOURS, not mine. Then only thing "inflaming" about your argument is your inability to present one, then you parading it around as if it were factial.

Oh and by the way....I answer to my nation, humankind, and this planet....which is more than I can say for you. You life your life so blinded that you miss everything else about the world.

Originally posted by Marchello
Yes it does.

Great argument. I can only assume that since you can do nothing but preach, you are incapable of arguing.

You fail to self-analyze. You are darkness. You are the wolf in sheeps clothing, come to destroy religion by making others hate it. Let me tell you. You are vain. You are proud. And you will pay dearly for it. You have been taken by the devil. Turn away from him.

Your god is a creation of man. You worship false gods.

Originally posted by Marchello
You are no expert on the interpretation of Scripture and, therefore, not in a position to make such a statement from a position of certified knowledge. Therefore your pronouncement is purely personal and subjective...not one based on fact...and must be rejected out of hand.

Your argument is based on one heavily altered scripture that is not accepted by all members of your faith. Its not factual, so become as much as an expert on it as you like...it means nothing. You have done nothing but prove my point that NOTHING proclaims gods existance except for your scripture.

I'm not the worlds leading authority on CHirstian mythology, but untill you've read the original transcripts in Greekl, neither are you. And since you're using this argument, I better not hear you make any judgements outside of the scripture, ever, because you are CLEARLY not intelligent enough to judge.

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***You are hard of hearing...for I have told you that I have no "religion"...for I worship a "person" ...who came to save me...a "bad guy" ...that's NOT "religion." Someone told me about Him years ago...and I accepted Him as my Saviour and God on July 14th, 1996...and He made me a "new creation" IN HIM...and I have NEVER been the SAME since the moment that He became my Lord!!...Blessed is His name.

Your protestations that you "don't care if I sin in your religion" has no relevance to the issue at hand...for your sin is against God and NOT against or in anyone's "religion."

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You are correct, however, in your assessment that it "is more than I can say for you..." I, indeed, do NOT answer to my nation, humankind...or this planet...all of which are CREATED by God and NOT the CREATOR themselves.

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***When I was in grad school, I had to defend my thesis...and I defended it well and earned my Masters in the process. Your "assumption" is obviously without merit.

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*your scripture.

I'm not the worlds leading authority on CHirstian mythology, but untill you've read the original transcripts in Greekl, neither are you. And since you're using this argument, I better not hear you make any judgements outside of the scripture, ever, because you are CLEARLY not intelligent enough to judge."]

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Marchello