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Magneto vs Jack Hawksmoor

Jack see Magneto leaving a scene of a crime, they both exchange words and then square off .

They fight in NYC who wins?

hellooooo?

Magneto tears off Jacks feet before finishing it with a blood pull...or a 'planet sized' stroke.

Jack calls in the Doctor who turns Magneto into a pair of clogs

Originally posted by Scoobless
Jack calls in the Doctor who turns Magneto into a pair of clogs

Not before recieving a brain aneurism

Jack has healed instantaneously in a city from a completely shattered spine. Killing him wouldn't be easy, especially once he melds into the city.

There's lots of metal in the city. Also lots of non-metallic concrete. Lots.

Jack ftw. Once he merges with it, the only way to destroy him is basically to destroy the entire city. In a large city, and written correctly, you really need a cosmic level who's capable of simply destroying a city (most of the heralds come to mind) for Jack to lose.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Jack has healed instantaneously in a city from a completely shattered spine. Killing him wouldn't be easy, especially once he melds into the city.

There's lots of metal in the city. Also lots of non-metallic concrete. Lots.

Jack ftw. Once he merges with it, the only way to destroy him is basically to destroy the entire city. In a large city, and written correctly, you really need a cosmic level who's capable of simply destroying a city (most of the heralds come to mind) for Jack to lose.

And Magneto is capable of that. Mags ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
And Magneto is capable of that. Mags ftw.

I knew you'd be the next to post...

I realize Mags has some amazing feats. But he couldn't manipulate even the majority of the city (nothing to magnetize in plastic, concrete, asphalt, etc.). His energy output isn't such that he could just will the entire city into non-existence. We're talking about trillions of tons of material all working together to kill Mags (possibly more, but I don't know what's beyond trillion).

Jack once wore Tokyo as body armor. That's right, he was a giant mech made out of the city of Tokyo. Imagine that with NY whaling the bejesus out of Mags, then tell me he still wins the majority.

P.S. Not trying to convince batdude here....I realize he's too fargone to help. This is for the people with no vested bias toward either character.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I knew you'd be the next to post...

Goody.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I realize Mags has some amazing feats. But he couldn't manipulate even the majority of the city (nothing to magnetize in plastic, concrete, asphalt, etc.). His energy output isn't such that he could just will the entire city into non-existence. We're talking about trillions of tons of material all working together to kill Mags (possibly more, but I don't know what's beyond trillion).

That's fantastic Digi. However, Magneto still has the energy output to beat Hawkesmoor.

Destroying every single machine/electrical device IN THE WORLD.
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg

Can't affect plastic, huh?
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2610/magtakesonplasticandceramic7lu.jpg

Not to mention a few EMP blasts should be enough to destroy the city.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Jack once wore Tokyo as body armor. That's right, he was a giant mech made out of the city of Tokyo. Imagine that with NY whaling the bejesus out of Mags, then tell me he still wins the majority.

Yippee skippy. Magneto then feeds of the EM energies given off by Hawkesmoore. Magneto wins the majority.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
P.S. Not trying to convince batdude here....I realize he's too fargone to help. This is for the people with no vested bias toward either character.

That was cold, Digi.

Originally posted by batdude123
Goody.



That's fantastic Digi. However, Magneto still has the energy output to beat Hawkesmoor.

Destroying every single machine/electrical device IN THE WORLD.
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg

Can't affect plastic, huh?
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2610/magtakesonplasticandceramic7lu.jpg

Not to mention a few EMP blasts should be enough to destroy the city.



Yippee skippy. Magneto then feeds of the EM energies given off by Hawkesmoore. Magneto wins the majority.



That was cold, Digi.

Wasn't he amped for that 1st feat? And it was strictly magnetic stuff, and they certainly weren't fighting back when he shut them down. NYC on the other hand, will be pissed and fighting for its life.

And That 2nd one almost proves my point. Sure, he's tearing up some sh*t that might not be metal, but that's just one small building. We're talking about thousands of buildings here. It would simply overwhelm him.

And I didn't mean to be cold. You know it's all in good fun.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Wasn't he amped for that 1st feat? And it was strictly magnetic stuff, and they certainly weren't fighting back when he shut them down. NYC on the other hand, will be pissed and fighting for its life.

And That 2nd one almost proves my point. Sure, he's tearing up some sh*t that might not be metal, but that's just one small building. We're talking about thousands of buildings here. It would simply overwhelm him.

And I didn't mean to be cold. You know it's all in good fun.

1. No

2. He also took apart two missles like they were nothing.

I'm not even sure Hawkesmoor could get passed Magneto's shields, to be honest. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to, considering Magneto has LAUGHED at extremely strong physical forces trying to penetrate the shields.

And a few (3 or 4) EMP blasts should be enough to take Manhattan down.

Yes, well this is my opinion. You're certainly entitled to yours.

I think I just can't get used to Magneto as a cosmic.



P.S. ...this is still a close fight, and I stick to my opinion.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I think I just can't get used to Magneto as a cosmic.



P.S. ...this is still a close fight, and I stick to my opinion.

1. Orly??? shock

Tell that to the Avengers:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto88.jpg

And Cable:
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce2537vp1.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce2538ku3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce2539bz2.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce2540jn1.jpg

Mag's can tear apart new york with ease.

Most buildings (or at least quite a few) have metal embedded within their structures to help them stay 'upright' (especially in NY where you Americans like everything big and tall) Magneto simply tugs on them and Half of the city goes crumbling.

Magneto also can increase thew ferromagnetic properties of an item, EVERYTHING has a FM charge. Mag's simply increases it and then he can control it.

Only certain materials are ferromagnetic. The bonds that hold molecules together are based on electromagnetic forces.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Only certain materials are ferromagnetic. The bonds that hold molecules together are based on electromagnetic forces.

True , but then from that couldn't magneto control ..well everything ?

Or is 'bonds that hold molecules together ' only for the specific 'certain materials' that you mentioned ?

Chemical bonds are based on electromagnetic force. Magneto hasn't shown sufficient control of things at a molecular level to lead me to believe he could control an entire, largely non-ferromagnetic city.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Chemical bonds are based on electromagnetic force. Magneto hasn't shown sufficient control of things at a molecular level to lead me to believe he could control an entire, largely non-ferromagnetic city.

M'kay

I'm just not uber at science like you guys....

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Chemical bonds are based on electromagnetic force. Magneto hasn't shown sufficient control of things at a molecular level to lead me to believe he could control an entire, largely non-ferromagnetic city.

Regardless, the city would be laid to waste after Magneto was through.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Only certain materials are ferromagnetic. The bonds that hold molecules together are based on electromagnetic forces.

All metals are magnetic if the field is strong enough. EMR machines are calibrated using Aluminiun disks.

- FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
All metals are magnetic if the field is strong enough. EMR machines are calibrated using Aluminiun disks.

- FO!!

That's probably what i meant . I must have gotten confused between 'everything' and all metals.

Hawksmoor is essentially an "elemental" of cities. He can control their substance regardless of substance. Those parts of the city that have ferromagnetic properties Hawsmoor can control. Under this premise, Magneto is just a man in a city he can't do anything to.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hawksmoor is essentially an "elemental" of cities. He can control their substance regardless of substance. Those parts of the city that have ferromagnetic properties Hawsmoor can control. Under this premise, Magneto is just a man in a city he can't do anything to.

And Magneto can also control it, but I see what you're saying. Regardless of whether he can transmutate parts of the city, how exactly would he know to change metal into a non-ferromagnetic substance (although this doesn't really matter much considering Magneto can make his own magnetic waves and can thus polarize ANY material) while Magneto was fighting him? Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power, unless Hawkesmoor can completely ELIMINATE electromagnetic forces from the city (which he couldn't, because the city would cease to be) Magneto can at least control some parts of the city. I'm not saying it would be the whole city, however that point is irrelevant. A few EMP blasts, and New York would be down for the count. And I doubt Hawkesmoor would be able to penetrate Magneto's shields, either. Magneto can use electromagnetic waves to fuse particles out of the very air itself, and he's got an entire city to work with here. But, we can discuss whether or not Magneto could control parts of Hawkesmoor all day long (which he could), but the simpler route is simply saying Magneto destroys it via EMP blasts w/ his shields up.

That, or Magneto could just stay away from Hawksmoor's reach and blast the whole city into nothingness...

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5876/magblastswv6.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4888/magblastblowsthroughmountainwitheasewm1.jpg

Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg

Or this:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1890/magforceblastskilleverythingwithradiousofmilevk5.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
That, or Magneto could just stay away from Hawksmoor's reach and blast the whole city into nothingness...

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5876/magblastswv6.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4888/magblastblowsthroughmountainwitheasewm1.jpg

Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg

Or this:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1890/magforceblastskilleverythingwithradiousofmilevk5.jpg

Ideed.

How does Magneto know his powers are based off the city?

Originally posted by Juntai
How does Magneto know his powers are based off the city?

Huh?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg

"Retards"

Would this not suggest his control over atomic particles is vast'ish?
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00413fg2.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00414fg9.jpg

Plus he can control adamantium, and molecular control is required to change it's form.

Originally posted by batdude123
And Magneto can also control it, but I see what you're saying. Regardless of whether he can transmutate parts of the city, how exactly would he know to change metal into a non-ferromagnetic substance (although this doesn't really matter much considering Magneto can make his own magnetic waves and can thus polarize ANY material) while Magneto was fighting him? Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power, unless Hawkesmoor can completely ELIMINATE electromagnetic forces from the city (which he couldn't, because the city would cease to be) Magneto can at least control some parts of the city. I'm not saying it would be the whole city, however that point is irrelevant. A few EMP blasts, and New York would be down for the count. And I doubt Hawkesmoor would be able to penetrate Magneto's shields, either. Magneto can use electromagnetic waves to fuse particles out of the very air itself, and he's got an entire city to work with here. But, we can discuss whether or not Magneto could control parts of Hawkesmoor all day long (which he could), but the simpler route is simply saying Magneto destroys it via EMP blasts w/ his shields up.

MY BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg


Jesus, what a dick

I think Magneto can manipulate non metallic substances as well because everything has an electromagnetic field. I saw Magneto in New Mutants lift a bunch of rocks with Hercules on top of it.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Jesus, what a dick

More than Doom? I think not...

Originally posted by batdude123
More than Doom? I think not...

Hmmm

I would say they are about even.

Magneto destroying a city just because he could is just as bad throwing your arch rival's son in hell because he screwed up your experiment in college

Originally posted by Grimm22
Hmmm

I would say they are about even.

Magneto destroying a city just because he could is just as bad throwing your arch rival's son in hell because he screwed up your experiment in college
I would say the latter is far worse.

Originally posted by Validus
I would say the latter is far worse.

In a sense yes

But Mags is a dick on a larger scale

Originally posted by batdude123
And Magneto can also control it, but I see what you're saying. Regardless of whether he can transmutate parts of the city, how exactly would he know to change metal into a non-ferromagnetic substance (although this doesn't really matter much considering Magneto can make his own magnetic waves and can thus polarize ANY material) while Magneto was fighting him? Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power, unless Hawkesmoor can completely ELIMINATE electromagnetic forces from the city (which he couldn't, because the city would cease to be) Magneto can at least control some parts of the city. I'm not saying it would be the whole city, however that point is irrelevant. A few EMP blasts, and New York would be down for the count. And I doubt Hawkesmoor would be able to penetrate Magneto's shields, either. Magneto can use electromagnetic waves to fuse particles out of the very air itself, and he's got an entire city to work with here. But, we can discuss whether or not Magneto could control parts of Hawkesmoor all day long (which he could), but the simpler route is simply saying Magneto destroys it via EMP blasts w/ his shields up. I wasn't saying he'd change metal into non-ferromagnetic substance. I'm saying Hawksmoor can control the substance of the city regardless of its substance. He can control the ferromagnetic and non-ferromagnetic substances that comprise it. I'm questioning whether Magneto can do anything at all.

Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power is just hyperbole. He hasn't shown sufficient control of non-ferromagnetic materials to suggest that in the least.

The visible strain of making something as small as a comb is apparent.

Hawksmoor can become intangible. He can also make the city intangible and just have it swallow Magneto

An EMP damages electronics and causes surges. It doesn't cause a tremendous amount of physical structural damage sufficient to destroy a city AFAIK. The misconception could be that they're often generated by nuclear explosions.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wasn't saying he'd change metal into non-ferromagnetic substance. I'm saying Hawksmoor can control the substance of the city regardless of its substance. He can control the ferromagnetic and non-ferromagnetic substances that comprise it. I'm questioning whether Magneto can do anything at all.

Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power is just hyperbole. He hasn't shown sufficient control of non-ferromagnetic materials to suggest that in the least.

The visible strain of making something as small as a comb is apparent.

Hawksmoor can become intangible. He can also make the city intangible and just have it swallow Magneto

An EMP damages electronics and causes surges. It doesn't cause a tremendous amount of physical structural damage sufficient to destroy a city AFAIK. The misconception could be that they're often generated by nuclear explosions.

Of course Magneto can do "something."

No, everything is under Magneto's control (or can be potentially controlled by him) considering everything discharges an electromagnetic field. Magneto can also create his own electromagnetic forces in order to heighten their magnetic properties. That's exactly why he's able to control things such as plastic and ceramic.

Did you read all of the scans? He was struggling to draw in the metallic particles OUT OF THIN AIR which is extremely sparse. He was discharging an electromagnetic field in order to draw in the metallic particles out of the air that could "raise a small city."

Magneto has an answer for intangibility.... his shields. Both Shadowcat and Vision have failed to penetrate Magneto's shields while they were in their intangible states. He beat them both...

Let's just say he does a couple EMP blasts, the electrical mechanisms and the machines would be laid to waste in the entire city. And don't act like he's limited to that. Look at DarkCrawler's post. Hawksmoor gets owned.

Whether he can do something at all is open to interpretation.

Ferrite is a ceramic. He shows some control of non-ferromagnetic substances, he hasn't shown sufficient control to lead one to believe he can do so to an entire sentient city. Akin to your single scan of the single instance that ambiguously possibly shows some gravitational control, which doesn't lead me to believe he has any great measure of control over gravitational forces.

The sparsity of the particles? Or just the act in itself. Methinks the latter. Forming the chemical bonds is what's causing the strain. "raise a small city" is akin to "infinite" "limitless" "all powerful" sounds cool, doesn't mean much.

Shadowcat has phased into him before. When does she try and fail to penetrate his shield. I don't recall the instance.

New York City has a population of >8 million people. It has an area of approximately 800 square kilometers. The Empire State Building weighs 350,000 tons, and that's just a single building. If Magneto wants to waste his energy making combs and killing the people withing 0.1% of the area while it swallows him alive he's more than welcome to.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot


The sparsity of the particles? Or just the act in itself. Methinks the latter. Forming the chemical bonds is what's causing the strain. "raise a small city" is akin to "infinite" "limitless" "all powerful" sounds cool, doesn't mean much.



Think again.
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magcollectsferrousparticlesmk1.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magironeverywherest2.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfusesmetal1ce2.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfusesmetal2nx9.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whether he can do something at all is open to interpretation.

Ferrite is a ceramic. He shows some control of non-ferromagnetic substances, he hasn't shown sufficient control to lead one to believe he can do so to an entire sentient city. Akin to your single scan of the single instance that ambiguously possibly shows some gravitational control, which doesn't lead me to believe he has any great measure of control over gravitational forces.

The sparsity of the particles? Or just the act in itself. Methinks the latter. Forming the chemical bonds is what's causing the strain. "raise a small city" is akin to "infinite" "limitless" "all powerful" sounds cool, doesn't mean much.

Shadowcat has phased into him before. When does she try and fail to penetrate his shield. I don't recall the instance.

New York City has a population of >8 million people. It has an area of approximately 800 square kilometers. The Empire State Building weighs 350,000 tons, and that's just a single building. If Magneto wants to waste his energy making combs and killing the people withing 0.1% of the area while it swallows him alive he's more than welcome to.

Please. Magneto could do MORE than "something" to Hawksmoor.

Did I say he was going to control the entire city? No, in fact, I said he probably wouldn't even be able to. Read in CONTEXT x. He still has sufficient enough power to destroy New York. That's for damn sure.

Check DC's post.

Phase into Magneto WITH his shields up? I've never seen that happen before. She's not been able to do it when he has his shields up. Hell, even teleporter's can't enter his shields. And Vision hasn't been able to phase through his shield either. I like how you didn't adress that one.

Is this a joke? Making combs? Yeah, he made it from the particles out of THIN AIR. The field was stronger than you want to give credit for. I think you purposely under sell Magneto, honestly. Again, I refer you to DC's scans up above me. Couple blasts combined with him controlling the ground/earth beneath New York, and Hawksmoor is f*cked. Magneto has more than enough sufficient energy output to destroy a city. Atop of that, Hawksmoor can't penetrate his shields. Done deal, Magneto ftw.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Think again.
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magcollectsferrousparticlesmk1.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magironeverywherest2.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfusesmetal1ce2.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfusesmetal2nx9.jpg The first scan just contradicts batdude's thing about the sparsity. He destroys something Beast throws at him, and he coats Moira in metal.
Originally posted by batdude123
Please. Magneto could do MORE than "something" to Hawksmoor.

Did I say he was going to control the entire city? No, in fact, I said he probably wouldn't even be able to. Read in CONTEXT x. He still has sufficient enough power to destroy New York. That's for damn sure.

Check DC's post.

Phase into Magneto WITH his shields up? I've never seen that happen before. She's not been able to do it when he has his shields up. Hell, even teleporter's can't enter his shields. And Vision hasn't been able to phase through his shield either. I like how you didn't adress that one.

Is this a joke? Making combs? Yeah, he made it from the particles out of THIN AIR. The field was stronger than you want to give credit for. I think you purposely under sell Magneto, honestly. Again, I refer you to DC's scans up above me. Couple blasts combined with him controlling the ground/earth beneath New York, and Hawksmoor is f*cked. Magneto has more than enough sufficient energy output to destroy a city. Atop of that, Hawksmoor can't penetrate his shields. Done deal, Magneto ftw. Based on? Hawksmoor controls cities. He controls what comprises them, metal or not. There's no conclusivity as to whether Magneto could do anything.

Show me a scan where she's failed to phase through Magneto's shields, because I have proof positive that she can phase into him and the energy which he produces. Unless one is to assume that the shield isn't composed of the same energy, which is a stretch.

I think you oversell Magneto. The volcano thing involved tech iirc. New York swallows him alive.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The first scan just contradicts batdude's thing about the sparsity. He destroys something Beast throws at him, and he coats Moira in metal.
Based on? Hawksmoor controls cities. He controls what comprises them, metal or not. There's no conclusivity as to whether Magneto could do anything.

Show me a scan where she's failed to phase through Magneto's shields, because I have proof positive that she can phase into him and the energy which he produces. Unless one is to assume that the shield isn't composed of the same energy, which is a stretch.

I think you oversell Magneto. The volcano thing involved tech iirc. New York swallows him alive.

Whether he could actually control parts of the city is debatable, you're right. However, I'm NOT saying that's how Erik would win. It's only a possibility that can be explored. Nothing more.

DC has the scans somewhere. I'll try and get them when he gets back on. You're still missing the part about Vision, and the teleporter.

Hawksmoor isn't going to do anything to Magneto with his shields up. Magneto simply stands back and blasts, and New York goes down for the count. Magneto wins.

Or the city swallows him. Shadowcat has phased through him, Occam's Razor says she can phase through his shield.

Vision is a robot. EM would disrupt his circuitry. Teleporters move along magnetic lines and their powers can be interferred with by magnetism.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or the city swallows him. Shadowcat has phased through him, Occam's Razor says she can phase through his shield.

Vision is a robot. EM would disrupt his circuitry. Teleporters move along magnetic lines and their powers can be interferred with by magnetism.

Hawksmoor isn't going to be "swallowing" Magneto.

No, it wasn't that Vision didn't want to do it because of the repercussions. It was literally that he COULDN'T do it. When he tried, he couldn't phase through the shields. The magnetic force wouldn't let him get through.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or the city swallows him. Shadowcat has phased through him, Occam's Razor says she can phase through his shield.

Vision is a robot. EM would disrupt his circuitry. Teleporters move along magnetic lines and their powers can be interferred with by magnetism.

Hey X remember we had that discussion about phasing and Magnetos shields before...and I said I recalled an incident where he did it once...well I have to apologize because I was wrong...it was actually Exodus posing as Magneto....who forced Kitty tangible....

I know it's off topic but I wanted to clear things up...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Hey X remember we had that discussion about phasing and Magnetos shields before...and I said I recalled an incident where he did it once...well I have to apologize because I was wrong...it was actually Exodus posing as Magneto....who forced Kitty tangible....

I know it's off topic but I wanted to clear things up...

Magneto could basically do the same thing. Manipulate the iron in her blood to turn her tangible again? That's what he did to Vision once....

Isint Vison's phasing different than Kittys? Becuase Vison can become somewhat solid inside of someone, Kitty can't do that without dying.

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe 'cause he's never attempted it before. Doesn't mean he couldn't do it... he did it to Vision.


Meh...never said he couldn't just that he didn't....anyway the point was to just apologize to X....

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The first scan just contradicts batdude's thing about the sparsity. He destroys something Beast throws at him, and he coats Moira in metal.

Ever thought that the other place just had less metal on atmosphere? It was another planet.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Based on? Hawksmoor controls cities. He controls what comprises them, metal or not. There's no conclusivity as to whether Magneto could do anything.

There is lot of conclusivity when you pit Magneto's control of metal against his control of cities...both are pretty much absolute.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Show me a scan where she's failed to phase through Magneto's shields, because I have proof positive that she can phase into him and the energy which he produces. Unless one is to assume that the shield isn't composed of the same energy, which is a stretch.

Only time she tried to phase him was when she had an ice spike...Magneto dispersed the molecules of the ice spike to hydrogen and oxygen and electrocuted her.

And considering that neither teleporting OR phasing has ever worked on him, I don't see him phasing through anything.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/612/magbigforcefieldjj2.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3586/tfindflawtv0.jpg

And considering that PHOTONS don't get through his shield if he does not want them to, Jack isn't phasing through them.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think you oversell Magneto. The volcano thing involved tech iirc. New York swallows him alive.

He has able to do the same thing with or without tech. We are talking about a guy who has lifted an mountain and threw it on his opponents.

That reminds me, he could just throw New York city in space:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8148/spowerstoflingavalonoy2.jpg

And New York isn't swallowing anything. Magneto can fly with Mach 100 and faster, anything Jack can do will not pass his shields, and he can just be invisible and soundless.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8260/tnoticehimif0.jpg

New York will get blasted to pieces, thrown into space or swallowed by the ground under it. Jack is powerful, but faaar behind Magneto on powerlevel.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Only time she tried to phase him was when she had an ice spike...Magneto dispersed the molecules of the ice spike to hydrogen and oxygen and electrocuted her. Meh no time lately. Just want to point out Shadowcat has phased into Magneto before, when she was new and inexperienced no less. She was still calling herself Sprite or Ariel and wore a horrible technicolour costume. This only confirms that, as a second time she has phased things into him. If the forcefields are physical she can phase through them, if they're energy based unless one is going to make some stretch that his forcefield isn't composed of the same energies he controls and that are within him - she can phase through them.

As aforementioned Magnetism can interfere with teleportation. That has no bearing on phasing.

Magneto wins.