WW vs Surfer

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UniOmni
Prepower up Surfer.

But in a fist fight. Blow for blow.

No superspeed, or amping.

Just punches and blunt durability.

Can she take him down?

Soleran
No other powers WW wins

ppl that oppose that just dont respond, I mean it.

Soljer
Originally posted by Soleran
No other powers WW wins

ppl that oppose that just dont respond, I mean it.

Surfer wins.

batdude123
Yeah, I'd have to say WW as well. Her skills are just so much better than Norrin's. erm

Soleran
Originally posted by Soljer
Surfer wins.


Seriously BS, he's crap on the skill scale for combat

WW should serve Superman in that arena as well but he's just to super you know

Soljer
Originally posted by Soleran
Seriously BS, he's crap on the skill scale for combat

WW should serve Superman in that arena as well but he's just to super you know

One: I merely said that the Surfer wins because you commanded everyone not to.

and two: Why would skill matter? The original poster said "blow for blow" meaning they trade hits till one falls, yes?

Soleran
Originally posted by Soljer
One: I merely said that the Surfer wins because you commanded everyone not to.

and two: Why would skill matter? The original poster said "blow for blow" meaning they trade hits till one falls, yes?


Are you special ed, Norrin is ass in combat.

Big Sexy
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, I'd have to say WW as well. Her skills are just so much better than Norrin's. erm Of course. You have a guy who spent his life as a scientist and wanting peace versus a born warrior.

thedude1948
Surfer takes this because of his durability. He is also pretty underated Hand to hand, even without the Power Cosmic he kicked alot of ass in Planet Hulk.

Soleran
Originally posted by thedude1948
Surfer takes this because of his durability. He is also pretty underated Hand to hand, even without the Power Cosmic he kicked alot of ass in Planet Hulk.

Are you retarded or do you just practice, SS is shit compared to WW.

thedude1948
Originally posted by Soleran
Are you retarded or do you just practice, SS is shit compared to WW. are you? I never said he is more skilled than her moron, I said he is probably more durable.

Soleran
Originally posted by thedude1948
are you? I never said he is more skilled than her moron, I said he is probably more durable.


He doesn't have the durabilty to take WW. Gah so challeneged

Soleran
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, I'd have to say WW as well. Her skills are just so much better than Norrin's. erm


You smoke pole, one thing you need to learn is to shut up.

batdude123
Originally posted by Soleran
You smoke pole, one thing you need to learn is to shut up.

blink

Soleran
Originally posted by batdude123
blink


Stop, just stop

On a lighter note ...................................

Soljer
Originally posted by Soleran
Are you special ed, Norrin is ass in combat.

Did I say he wasn't? I said "Why should skill matter, if the original poster perscribed that they simply trade blows till one of them falls?"

SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by Soleran
You smoke pole, one thing you need to learn is to shut up.

Wow.
You're an ass.

First off, don't enter a debate PMSing with an ill deserved holier-then-thou attitude. You seem to freak out whenever someone remotley consider the possibilty that YOU COULD BE WRONG.
Secondly, wasn't batdude agreeing with you? Do you honestly have a stick shoved so far up you're ass that you find the need to bitterly insult (though not very well) those people who disagree with you, agree with you, and everybody who just sits at their computer realizing what an ass you are?

And, next time you go ballisitic when somebody thinks a different person could win, do them the courtesy of reading why, before demonstrating your hypocritical views on the non-existant mental rettardation of other posters?

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Soleran
You smoke pole, one thing you need to learn is to shut up.

erm

...anyway...let's just move on.

bigbran
Originally posted by Soleran
He doesn't have the durabilty to take WW. Gah so challeneged Ya, he does.
I figured out, by actually reading his whole series, that his duribility get's serverly understimated. He has took planets destroying point zero, and was unaffected.
He took Bannerless Hulk flipping out on him, not even fighting back, and got right back up, and scared Hulk off. Hulk even admitted he was scared.

Here he beats the same Abomination that kicked the christ out of Hulk....in h2h....in a serverly weakened state, and he was regaining his strength. Then he just puts him out with powers.
1. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3897/silversurfer1219yw4.jpg
2. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5774/silversurfer1220qo3.jpg
3. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2044/silversurfer1221kw8.jpg

Here he tries to get Drax off, his board, and look what he does. Both of them are completely unaffected. He also gets attacked, every time he turns around, and jeepers, he hasn't a scratch.
1. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/965/silversurfer03711pk8.jpg
2. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2826/silversurfer03712wx0.jpg
3. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5168/silversurfer03713hf1.jpg
4. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6894/silversurfer03715bs4.jpg
5. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6158/silversurfer03716ql8.jpg
6. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3234/silversurfer03717rp1.jpg
7. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7937/silversurfer03718hm1.jpg
8. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5134/silversurfer03719ab3.jpg

Surfer wins.

dawsey28
Didn't Surfer stand in the middle of a supernova without breaking a sweat? If so, that is pretty durable.

bigbran
Originally posted by dawsey28
Didn't Surfer stand in the middle of a supernova without breaking a sweat? If so, that is pretty durable. He's done lots of shit, but people like to discredit his strength and duribility...a lot!

Accel
Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, he does.
I figured out, by actually reading his whole series, that his duribility get's serverly understimated. He has took planets destroying point zero, and was unaffected.
He took Bannerless Hulk flipping out on him, not even fighting back, and got right back up, and scared Hulk off. Hulk even admitted he was scared.
What, you mean Post-Onslaught Hulk? He wasn't scared of Surfer, he was afraid of dying... in general. He knew he had a short time left to live and it was driving him nuts.

Validus
Originally posted by Soleran
You smoke pole, one thing you need to learn is to shut up.
laughing out loud

Draco69
If Surfer and WW are on the same level in regardance to reflexes, speed and it's just an all-out fist-fight, WW wins.

Surfer can't fight for sh** and if Hercules and Thor can maul his ass....

bigbran
Originally posted by Accel
What, you mean Post-Onslaught Hulk? He wasn't scared of Surfer, he was afraid of dying... in general. He knew he had a short time left to live and it was driving him nuts. Ok, but he was still pissed, and Surfer talked about Death. Doesn't change the fact that Surfer wasn't trying, and was basically letting Hulk stomped all over him, only to get up, without a scratch.

Surfer was talking about death, when he was blasting Hulk away.
1. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4207/silversurfer19971252425bb4.jpg
2. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3645/silversurfer199712526co0.jpg
3. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/7608/silversurfer199712527yl2.jpg
4. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8943/silversurfer199712528ay0.jpg

Now, you tell me, did it look like Surfer was trying?

Keep in mind, this is more of a duribility feat than anything.

bigbran
Originally posted by Draco69
If Surfer and WW are on the same level in regardance to reflexes, speed and it's just an all-out fist-fight, WW wins.

Surfer can't fight for sh** and if Hercules and Thor can maul his ass.... So you think Wonder Woman is as fast as Surfer? Interesting....

I also disagree with your opinion.
Thor only beat Surfer once, and that was when he was flipping out, and he was 10x as strong. (some will argue about that)

Accel
Originally posted by bigbran
Ok, but he was still pissed, and Surfer talked about Death. Doesn't change the fact that Surfer wasn't trying, and was basically letting Hulk stomped all over him, only to get up, without a scratch.

Surfer was talking about death, when he was blasting Hulk away.
1. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4207/silversurfer19971252425bb4.jpg
2. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3645/silversurfer199712526co0.jpg
3. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/7608/silversurfer199712527yl2.jpg
4. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8943/silversurfer199712528ay0.jpg

Now, you tell me, did it look like Surfer was trying?

Keep in mind, this is more of a duribility feat than anything.
I never doubted Surfer's durability. I was just pointing out an error in your other post. Hulk didn't hurt him, but he wasn't scared of Surfer.

bigbran
Originally posted by Accel
I never doubted Surfer's durability. I was just pointing out an error in your other post. Hulk didn't hurt him, but he wasn't scared of Surfer. Of course.

Whats your opinion on the fight?

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
Ok, but he was still pissed, and Surfer talked about Death. Doesn't change the fact that Surfer wasn't trying, and was basically letting Hulk stomped all over him, only to get up, without a scratch.

Surfer was talking about death, when he was blasting Hulk away.
1. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4207/silversurfer19971252425bb4.jpg
2. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3645/silversurfer199712526co0.jpg
3. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/7608/silversurfer199712527yl2.jpg
4. http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8943/silversurfer199712528ay0.jpg

Now, you tell me, did it look like Surfer was trying?

Keep in mind, this is more of a duribility feat than anything.

No, I see it as "Hulk tackles Surfer once. Surfer gets his head stomped. Surfer erects a protective forcefield and blasts Hulk away" feat.

He only got hit twice. And he erected a forcefield to protect himself. If he's so durable, why need the forcefield at all?

Accel

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
So you think Wonder Woman is as fast as Surfer? Interesting....

No.

erm

roll eyes (sarcastic)

WW isn't anywhere NEAR Surfer's speed. I said, if WW and Surfer's reflexes and speed, for this fight, were rendered neutral and the same, than I would go with WW.

It's a fistfight between two characters with nullified speed, reflexes and only relying on their strength, skill and durability.

Surfer can't fight for sh**. He can take alot of damage but Diana's gonna be running rings around him.

bigbran
Originally posted by Draco69
No, I see it as "Hulk tackles Surfer once. Surfer gets his head stomped. Surfer erects a protective forcefield and blasts Hulk away" feat.

He only got hit twice. And he erected a forcefield to protect himself. If he's so durable, why need the forcefield at all? Have you seen the entire fight?
Surfer gets attacked quite a few times. This is the second half, the short one.

He used the force field, because, I'm pretty sure, that no one really wants to get hit, or get there head stomped, repeatidly, by Bannerless Hulk.

Plus, you also can't denie how little Surfer looks like hes trying.

Validus
A weakling like WW can't hurt Surfer.

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
Have you seen the entire fight?
Surfer gets attacked quite a few times. This is the second half, the short one.

Well, he did have the benefit of cosmic energy....

Too bad it doesn't mean anything in this fight

Originally posted by bigbran
He used the force field, because, I'm pretty sure, that no one really wants to get hit, or get there head stomped, repeatidly, by Bannerless Hulk.

He still used the forcefield to protect himself. Thus indicating he has a limited durability when he isn't amping himself with cosmic energy.

Unfortunately for Surfer, he's got no speed, he's got no amping, he's got no cosmic energy, he's got no forcedfields or forcebolts. Nope. The only thing he has for this fight is his own two hands and feet.

Surfer is basically crippled while Diana is precisely in her element.


Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, you also can't denie how little Surfer looks like hes trying.

That's because he has a wealth of cosmic energy to back him.

Draco69
Originally posted by Validus
A weakling like WW can't hurt Surfer.


.....Green Lantern sucks.....

snoopdogg
Well Norrin showed some nice skills when he beat Abomination in h2h combat. But WW is stronger and better fighter than Abom. is so I don't know if that says anything.

Also no board equals no superspeed either.

Inhuman
Just cause surfer doesnt fight h2h often doesnt mean he cant take a punch and isnt durable.

here iron man puts all his might into a punch to surfer having almost no effect.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/surferironman2.jpg
Here she hulk punches surfer in the face having no effect again.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpg

bigbran

Draco69
Originally posted by Inhuman
Just cause surfer doesnt fight h2h often doesnt mean he cant take a punch and isnt durable.

here iron man puts all his might into a punch to surfer having almost no effect.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/surferironman2.jpg
Here she hulk punches surfer in the face having no effect again.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpg

She Hulk & Iron Man<<<<<<<< Wonder Woman

erm

Inhuman
Originally posted by Draco69
She Hulk & Iron Man<<<<<<<< Wonder Woman

erm

I know.
just showing that surfer can take a punch. Hes not some punching bag just cause he doesnt fight h2h all the time.

bigbran
A question, how tough is Captain Atlas?

snoopdogg
Originally posted by bigbran
A question, how tough is Captain Atlas? I don't think anybody care.

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
I kind of thought that beating Abom in h2h(classic) in a weakened state was pretty good. So basically, your saying Surfer can't fight?
Anyways, beating Thanos, in a realm where there powers don't work, is some shitty h2h?
Do you say he has shitty h2h skills, because he mostly blasts?

Of course, Surfer can't fight.

THINK.

What's his past experience? Peaceful man on doomed planet. Herald. Lonely cosmic ranger roaming space.

What hand to hand training does Surfer have? NONE.

How often does Surfer rely on fisticuffs rather than the easier route of cosmic blasts? NONE.

What feats does Surfer have of defeating an opponent solely using hand to hand combat? NONE.

Surfer has absolutely no training (he doesn't need it....) and he solely relies on his cosmic energy powers.

After all, he's a the friggin Silver Surfer. The hell does he need to know about akido for?

Surfer isn't facing a hulking mass of strength. He's facing a highly skilled, highly trained Superman-level opponent who spars with Lady Shiva in her spar time.

Without his cosmic energy, superspeed/reflexes, or anything other than his own hands and feet, he's screwed.

It's like a powerless Superman facing Batman...

Draco69
Originally posted by Inhuman
I know.
just showing that surfer can take a punch. Hes not some punching bag just cause he doesnt fight h2h all the time.

He will be to WW.

WW will laugh at Surfer's pathetic attempt for a punch (he DOES come from a pacifist world that would make Xavier vomit...) and parry his ass into the ground.

thedude1948
Does Surfer get his board in this fight? it is a part of him.

Draco69
Originally posted by thedude1948
Does Surfer get his board in this fight? it is a part of him.

Threadstarter only said hand to hand.

Although it would be funny to see Surfer trying to use his own board to whack WW.

laughing out loud

darthgoober
Originally posted by Draco69
He will be to WW.

WW will laugh at Surfer's pathetic attempt for a punch (he DOES come from a pacifist world that would make Xavier vomit...) and parry his ass into the ground.
Yes Surfer IS a pacifist, meaning that he dislikes violence and tries to avoid it. However, he spent God only knows how much time as a Herald of Galactus, and even if you assume that he NEVER fought h2h during that time(which I find ridiculous), do you know how many fights he's been in just since his first series began? And he DOES spend a lot of the fights going at it h2h. Now if there were no PIS involved, then yes he would just fly around blasting, but the fights don't go down that way. While H2H isn't his specialization, he's still shown the ability to go h2h with plenty of beings(including Champion and Gladiator). I'm not trying to call the match one way or the other, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be a curbstomp for either of them.

thedude1948
He probably has some H2H knowledge from his cosmic awareness also.

Draco69
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes Surfer IS a pacifist, meaning that he dislikes violence and tries to avoid it.

Meaning, trying to learn how to fight or learning any hand to hand combat skills is out.

After all, if you dislike violence why learn how to fight?

Diana on the hand learned how to break bones when she was a toddler...


Originally posted by darthgoober
However, he spent God only knows how much time as a Herald of Galactus, and even if you assume that he NEVER fought h2h during that time

And you're assuming that Surfer jumped of his board and decided to do some roundhouse kicks against any random alien he came across?

While Galactus was devouring a planet, Surfer was going Bruce Lee on it's surviving inhabitants.

No. He was doing what he's been portrayed as for the last 50 odd years. Flying around on his board and blowing sh** up.


Originally posted by darthgoober
do you know how many fights he's been in just since his first series began?

Do YOU have any actual on panel fights documenting Surfer going hand to hand with an opponent and NOT using his cosmic energy on his opponent?

Nope....



Originally posted by darthgoober
And he DOES spend a lot of the fights going at it h2h.

No, he doesn't.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

PLEASE. He's the friggin Silver Surfer. He's as long range and "paladin" as it gets. He never goes hand to hand unless A) he's severely weakened B) he somehow gets knocked of his board or C) he doesn't have his board around and he's jobbing to someone.


Originally posted by darthgoober
Now if there were no PIS involved, then yes he would just fly around blasting, but the fights don't go down that way.

PIS involved?

Are we even talking about the same character?

erm

Surfer DOES just fly around and blast things. That's what he does 99.9999% of the time....

erm


Originally posted by darthgoober
While H2H isn't his specialization,

Specialization? Hah! I would say it doesn't even exist in his reputation.


Originally posted by darthgoober
he's still shown the ability to go h2h with plenty of beings(including Champion and Gladiator).

Champion? Got his ass kicked. Was resting on a makeshift alien hospital bed.

Gladiator? Was getting his ass kicked...until he used radiation on the guy.

Nope. Surfer doesn't have ANY feats of defeating an opponent (much less a SKILLED opponent like WW...) soley by means of hand to hand.


Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not trying to call the match one way or the other, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be a curbstomp for either of them.

It's kinda obvious....

It's like a powerless Superman vs. Batman.

Or Tony Stark without his armour vs. Iron Fist

Or a powerless Silver Surfer vs. Batman...wait....

bigbran
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't think anybody care. It's a serious question, because Surfer put him down with one punch, after he got jumped.

Originally posted by Draco69
Of course, Surfer can't fight. Have you read any of his books?

Originally posted by Draco69
THINK. I'm trying.

Originally posted by Draco69
What's his past experience? Peaceful man on doomed planet. Herald. Lonely cosmic ranger roaming space. Interesting because I just read a comic, showing him in a scooter, getting jumped by some people. Plus, the Kree and the Skrull were at war all the time.

Originally posted by Draco69
What hand to hand training does Surfer have? NONE. You could sya that about a lot of characters.

Originally posted by Draco69
How often does Surfer rely on fisticuffs rather than the easier route of cosmic blasts? NONE. Why would he? Do you think he's going to go h2h with Galactus?

Originally posted by Draco69
What feats does Surfer have of defeating an opponent solely using hand to hand combat? NONE. He's out musceled Gladiator.
He's put down Captain Atlas in one punch.
Crushed a cosmic powered Doombot, that had stolen all of Surfer's energy.
Hit Super Skrull once, and took out a big chunk of his face.
Beat the hell out of Mephisto, a couple times.
Etc.

Originally posted by Draco69
Surfer has absolutely no training (he doesn't need it....) and he solely relies on his cosmic energy powers. He throws punches all the time. I showed you Surfer, using skill to take down Abom, and yet, you still go on, saying he can't fight.

Originally posted by Draco69
After all, he's a the friggin Silver Surfer. The hell does he need to know about akido for? What the hell is Dr Strange beating Wolverine in h2h doing in comics? Dr Strange doesn't show it every comic, but when he needs to resort to it, he has it. Same case.

Originally posted by Draco69
Surfer isn't facing a hulking mass of strength. He's facing a highly skilled, highly trained Superman-level opponent who spars with Lady Shiva in her spar time. Of, course, but I'm showing you SS beating a strong foe, using skill, and you just throw that right out the window, and say that he can't fight?

Originally posted by Draco69
Without his cosmic energy, superspeed/reflexes, or anything other than his own hands and feet, he's screwed. So Surfer doesn't get any reflexes for this fight? He is just going to stand there and throw punches? I thought you needed some reflexes for fighting, I was wrong....
Whats WW going to do? She gets to run around, while Surfer is super glued to the floor.
Well, in that case, WW will win, pretty easily.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's like a powerless Superman facing Batman... Except, that where would Supes strength be at?

Draco69
Originally posted by thedude1948
He probably has some H2H knowledge from his cosmic awareness also.

No proof of that.

No on-panel feats of his vaunted hand to hand skills.

Face it guys.

Without his speed, reflexes, cosmic powers, or board, Surfer is screwed against WW.

He's facing an opponent who spars with Lady Shiva and Batman in her spar time.

You're not saying that Surfer is better at hand to hand than Batman or Shiva are you?

erm

Flame On!!
Originally posted by Draco69
No proof of that.

No on-panel feats of his vaunted hand to hand skills.

Face it guys.

Without his speed, reflexes, cosmic powers, or board, Surfer is screwed against WW.

He's facing an opponent who spars with Lady Shiva and Batman in her spar time.

You're not saying that Surfer is better at hand to hand than Batman or Shiva are you?

erm

Although she has her speed and strength when she spars with them wink

I'm guessing you like WW. That's fair enough.

- FO!!

Validus
The only logical argument for Surfer is his durability. Trying to argue his skill against WW of all bricks is futile.

bigbran
Originally posted by Validus
The only logical argument for Surfer is his durability. Trying to argue his skill against WW of all bricks is futile. I'm only arguing that Surfer does indeed have fighting skills.

I'm not saying he's anywhere near WW in that department, but I'm defending him.

Validus
Originally posted by bigbran
I'm only arguing that Surfer does indeed have fighting skills.

I'm not saying he's anywhere near WW in that department, but I'm defending him.
But what's the point? Even if he does have "skills" WW still creams him 8 different ways from Sunday in that department.

Inhuman
So WW is more durable than surfer?

bigbran
Originally posted by Validus
But what's the point? Even if he does have "skills" WW still creams him 8 different ways from Sunday in that department. Maybe, but he he still has skills, and the people who don't read his comics, say he doesn't.
Originally posted by Inhuman
So WW is more durable than surfer? No!

UniOmni
WW is easily more skilled than Surfer.

But in this match, blow for blow was my vision.

Not skills being utilized.

I know WW is less durable than Surfer.

But is WW stronger than Surfer??

Can she drop him, before he drops her?

But i'm trying to gauge how strong Surfer is seen as being in comparison to WW and other top tier bricks.

This is a slugfest. Nothing but brawn and grit.

No skills!!


WW is to Surfer skillwise, as Robin is to Superman. There is no comparison.

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran


Have you read any of his books?

Yes. Have you? You saying Surfer is ANYWHERE near as skilled as Diana?

Good luck with that....

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm trying.

Try harder....

Originally posted by bigbran

Interesting because I just read a comic, showing him in a scooter, getting jumped by some people. Plus, the Kree and the Skrull were at war all the time.

"Some people" Were any of these people, Daredevil, Captain America or Elektra? Did any of them portray any sort of skill that puts them at Surfer's level?

Nope. Sounds like a random mob that was stupid enough to dogpile a cosmic herald....

Originally posted by bigbran
You could sya that about a lot of characters.

Are deliberately be facetious? The above response is obviously just an attempt to show you're "debating" by just responding with an off-kileter remark....

Surfer's got no HTH skills. Diana has loads. It's not so difficult...

Why would he? Do you think he's going to go h2h with Galactus?

Originally posted by bigbran
He's out musceled Gladiator.

Um. No. He outPOWERED Gladiator. With his cosmic energy....


Originally posted by bigbran
He's put down Captain Atlas in one punch.

Atlas is rather weak. Thing has gone HTH with Atlas with success...

And Atlas isn't anywhere near Surfer's power level in regards to speed or power regarding cosmic energy...


Originally posted by bigbran
Crushed a cosmic powered Doombot, that had stolen all of Surfer's energy.

I'm assuming A) the "cosmic-powered" Doombot must have got his energy stolen back or some plot device helped Surfer out. After all, if he's completely drained.... B) the robot didnt' fight like Captain Americe did it? Nope, it's was the usual lumbering robot with constrained appendages....

Originally posted by bigbran
Hit Super Skrull once, and took out a big chunk of his face.

With his cosmic energy....

Originally posted by bigbran
Beat the hell out of Mephisto, a couple times.

With his cosmic energy...

erm

Come on now....


Originally posted by bigbran
He throws punches all the time. I showed you Surfer, using skill to take down Abom, and yet, you still go on, saying he can't fight.

Is Abomination ANYWHERE near Diana's skill or strength. No....

Abomination is a huge hulking mass of muscle that Surfer used wit, his own strength and his own durability to defeat.

Good luck to Surfer, fighting an opponent that knows nearly every DCU martial art and makes Surfer's skills look rather retarded in comparision...

Originally posted by bigbran
What the hell is Dr Strange beating Wolverine in h2h doing in comics? Dr Strange doesn't show it every comic, but when he needs to resort to it, he has it. Same case.

Yeah. There's a difference between Dr. Strange and SS.

We've actually seen Strange fight with HTH against other skilled opponents AND we've actually seen him TRAIN his HTH skills.

You're just spewing this nonsense that Surfer learned how some alien martial art from some alien planet and got black belt off-panel...

Originally posted by bigbran
Of, course, but I'm showing you SS beating a strong foe, using skill, and you just throw that right out the window, and say that he can't fight?

It's not being thrown out the window...it's being thrown out the bloody door....

Do you have ANY onpanel feats showing Surfer defeating a highly-skilled opponent like Diana using ONLY his own HTH skills and NO cosmic energy whatsoever?

NOPE. Good luck finding that.

Defeating a lummox like Abomination does NOT equate to defeating a highly skilled Amazon who spars with Lady Shiva every Saturday afternoon....

Originally posted by bigbran
So Surfer doesn't get any reflexes for this fight? He is just going to stand there and throw punches? I thought you needed some reflexes for fighting, I was wrong....

Oh, don't be crude. You know what I meant.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

SUPER-reflexes. Ya know, the translightspeed reflexes Surfer so often projects?

If Diana and Surfer's reflexes are rendered the same and normal for this fight, than Diana's gonna kick his ass....



Originally posted by bigbran
Whats WW going to do? She gets to run around, while Surfer is super glued to the floor.
Well, in that case, WW will win, pretty easily.

No, I see her dancing around Surfer's clumsy attempts of attack and honing her uber-MA skills to kick his ass...repeatedly..



Originally posted by bigbran
Except, that where would Supes strength be at?

Around Thor and Hercules level or above.

erm

Draco69
Originally posted by Flame On!!
Although she has her speed and strength when she spars with them wink

I'm guessing you like WW. That's fair enough.

- FO!!

No, there have been times of many depowerments when she was forced to fight without her powers at all.

Actually a third of career was just her and her MA skills against the world.

Validus
Originally posted by UniOmni
WW is easily more skilled than Surfer.

But in this match, blow for blow was my vision.

Not skills being utilized.

I know WW is less durable than Surfer.

But is WW stronger than Surfer??

Can she drop him, before he drops her?

But i'm trying to gauge how strong Surfer is seen as being in comparison to WW and other top tier bricks.

This is a slugfest. Nothing but brawn and grit.

No skills!!


WW is to Surfer skillwise, as Robin is to Superman. There is no comparison.
Do we even have a basis for a "non amped" Surfer?

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe, but he he still has skills, and the people who don't read his comics, say he doesn't.
No!

Surfer's "skills" aren't ANYWHERE near WW's skills.

If Surfer were rendered completely powerless with human durability, SPOILER could kick his ass....

Draco69
Originally posted by Validus
Do we even have a basis for a "non amped" Surfer?

No. Not really.

I could argue that all displays of him going "HTH" were just him amping his strength...

UniOmni
Draco I'd agree with everything but the Abom being weaker than Diana thing.

He beats on the Hulk, and Hulk is easily onpar with Diana.

Draco69
Originally posted by UniOmni
Draco I'd agree with everything but the Abom being weaker than Diana thing.

He beats on the Hulk, and Hulk is easily onpar with Diana.

Abom to my knowledge is as strong as Hulk when he isn't very angry. Which is why when Hulk gets stronger than him via anger, Hulk kicks his ass.

thedude1948
I dont think anyone is debating that Surfer is more skilled than Wonderwoman. Surfer wins because Wonderwoman isnt going to hurt him H2H.

Flame On!!
Originally posted by Draco69
No, there have been times of many depowerments when she was forced to fight without her powers at all.

Actually a third of career was just her and her MA skills against the world.

I have got time to reply to this before I leave this forum.

Not the third of her life when she sparred with the two you mentioned. smile

Give her the Godwave it's the only way she beats the Surfer. wink

- FO!!

Draco69
Originally posted by Flame On!!
I have got time to reply to this before I leave this forum.

Not the third of her life when she sparred with the two you mentioned. smile

Give her the Godwave it's the only way she beats the Surfer. wink

- FO!!

She depowers herself when facing Shiva via prayer to the gods. For Batman, she doesn't. She merely holds back her strength and speed.

There's no point in practicing in MA if you can lift a battleship is there?

WW knows this and either holds back or temporarily depowers herself so she can actually get some real practice.

In an all-out battle against Surfer, she would lose of course.

Draco69
Originally posted by thedude1948
I dont think anyone is debating that Surfer is more skilled than Wonderwoman. Surfer wins because Wonderwoman isnt going to hurt him H2H.

And Thor, Hercules and other bricks have managed to?

thedude1948
Originally posted by Draco69
And Thor, Hercules and other bricks have managed to?

PIS!...... smile

Draco69
Originally posted by UniOmni
WW is easily more skilled than Surfer.

But in this match, blow for blow was my vision.

Not skills being utilized.

I know WW is less durable than Surfer.

But is WW stronger than Surfer??

Can she drop him, before he drops her?

But i'm trying to gauge how strong Surfer is seen as being in comparison to WW and other top tier bricks.

This is a slugfest. Nothing but brawn and grit.

No skills!!


WW is to Surfer skillwise, as Robin is to Superman. There is no comparison.

No skills?

Then WW most likely loses.

We can't properly gauge Surfer's strength or durabiliy level WITHOUT cosmic energy because we have no feats of thus.

WW's basis for winning is her vast superiority of skill.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Draco69
Meaning, trying to learn how to fight or learning any hand to hand combat skills is out.

After all, if you dislike violence why learn how to fight?
Maybe because he had to? I personally dislike fighting, but unfortunately I've been forced to defend myself numerous times, and as a result, I can at least hold my own in most situations. I learned the old fashion way, trial and error. And just so you know, I HAVE had my share of fights with people who where more skilled than I was(in the aspect of actual training in martial arts), some I won, some I lost, but no matter what, I was able to deal it while the fight was going down(though it WAS difficult with the more skilled ones). Now I know that the people I fought were nowhere near as skilled as WW, but I'm pretty sure I'm nowhere near as skilled as Surfer.


Originally posted by Draco69 And you're assuming that Surfer jumped of his board and decided to do some roundhouse kicks against any random alien he came across?

While Galactus was devouring a planet, Surfer was going Bruce Lee on it's surviving inhabitants.

No. He was doing what he's been portrayed as for the last 50 odd years. Flying around on his board and blowing sh** up.
What makes you think that Galactus was always around? He was Galactus's HERALD. That means that he flew ahead. And I'm sure he was attacked on numerous occasions.


Originally posted by Draco69 Do YOU have any actual on panel fights documenting Surfer going hand to hand with an opponent and NOT using his cosmic energy on his opponent?

Nope.... So your saying that any fight WW had where she used her tiara, lasso, etc. at any time, proves nothing about her skill h2h? That only the ones where she fought COMPLETELY h2h have any relevance?





Originally posted by Draco69 No, he doesn't.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

PLEASE. He's the friggin Silver Surfer. He's as long range and "paladin" as it gets. He never goes hand to hand unless A) he's severely weakened B) he somehow gets knocked of his board or C) he doesn't have his board around and he's jobbing to someone.
Have you ever even read a Surfer comic? I can't think of a single instance where he won PURELY though energy blast during the climactic fight in the book. Yes he uses mostly energy blast against the like of minions and such, but during the big fights, he goes at it h2h as much as he blast.



Originally posted by Draco69 PIS involved?

Are we even talking about the same character?

erm

Surfer DOES just fly around and blast things. That's what he does 99.9999% of the time....
You want to make a bet on that. I tell you what, how about I post some instances of him fighting with someone h2h, and for every instance I find, YOU have to find 99 of him not using h2h at all. Up to it?





Originally posted by Draco69 Specialization? Hah! I would say it doesn't even exist in his reputation.
Which shows how little you know about Surfer.



Originally posted by Draco69 It's like a powerless Superman vs. Batman.Actually it would be like Batman vs a much more durable Superman

Originally posted by Draco69 Or Tony Stark without his armour vs. Iron Fist More like Ironman with his armor, with the strength, beams, etc. shut off.

Like I said, I'm not arguing for him to win necessarily, I'm just saying that it's a lot closer than YOUR making it out to be.

Flame On!!
As Robin is to Superman?

Hmmmm.........

Superman is an expert in the sum matial arts of his people who are far more ancient than humans.

- FO!!

complexbrother
Simply put Silver Surfer is that dude that routinely flies through stars, and the heart of black holes. he's that dude that nucular bombs do absoluty nothing to . his durability far outstrips Wonder Woman's and he would outlast her in a slugfest. it's not about skill .

thedude1948
Originally posted by Draco69
We can't properly gauge Surfer's strength or durabiliy level WITHOUT cosmic energy because we have no feats of thus.

Surfer didnt have his cosmic energy during his appearance in Planet Hulk (Because of that blue thing on his chest.), the only thing that seemed to be different is his ability to fly and not being able to produce energy blasts or anything else energy related.

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversavagewk6.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversavage2wi9.jpg
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complexbrother
Originally posted by Draco69
Surfer's "skills" aren't ANYWHERE near WW's skills.

If Surfer were rendered completely powerless with human durability, SPOILER could kick his ass....

hell under them conditions Leapfrog could kick his ass.

UniOmni
Originally posted by Draco69
No skills?

Then WW most likely loses.

We can't properly gauge Surfer's strength or durabiliy level WITHOUT cosmic energy because we have no feats of thus.

WW's basis for winning is her vast superiority of skill.

Yeah we can.

The only clearcut time Surfer was amped, was when he absorbed that red sun. Then he was clearly amped.

You saying that, is akin to someone saying we can't judge supermans durability without solar energy coming into play.

Of course...... Superman is powered with sunlight, while Surfer is with pc.

Surfer as he normally is.

The same durability.

And the same strength he used when he knocked out anybody else without blasting them with pc.

Validus
Originally posted by UniOmni
Yeah we can.

The only clearcut time Surfer was amped, was when he absorbed that red sun. Then he was clearly amped.

You saying that, is akin to someone saying we can't judge supermans durability without solar energy coming into play.

Of course...... Superman is powered with sunlight, while Surfer is with pc.

Surfer as he normally is.

The same durability.

And the same strength he used when he knocked out anybody else without blasting them with pc.
This post is bullshit.

Mindship
I think this is probably an instance where...

Surfer is so friggin' durable, there probably isn't much WW can do to hurt him.

On the other hand...

WW is so friggin' skillful at h2h, there probably isn't much SS can do to take her down.

I'd say this is a stalemate, but one where WW puts up a much better showing.

UniOmni
Originally posted by Validus
This post is bullshit.

U mad ?








sick @ homotional whiners. I bet you loved IC, huh?!

Validus
Originally posted by UniOmni
U mad ?








sick @ homotional whiners. I bet you loved IC, huh?!
IC gets too much flack especially coming from guys who love Civil War despite it's fundamental flaws but thats a whole different rant from me.

UniOmni
I love neither.

But i was enjoying Annihilation quite a bit.

Validus
Originally posted by UniOmni
I love neither.

But i was enjoying Annihilation quite a bit.
Annihilation is thus far more enjoyable than both. So long as they don't ruin it with Thanos becoming God again, it'll stay that way.

bigbran
Originally posted by Draco69
Yes. Have you? You saying Surfer is ANYWHERE near as skilled as Diana?

Good luck with that....First off, your assuming. Find the damn post, where I said he was as skilled as WW!
Seriously, do it.



Originally posted by Draco69
Try harder....Maybe you should heed that advice, and see what my main argument is. It's not about Surfer being as skilled, or even close, it's arguing about you saying that Surfer has absolutely no h2h skills.



Originally posted by Draco69
"Some people" Were any of these people, Daredevil, Captain America or Elektra? Did any of them portray any sort of skill that puts them at Surfer's level? They had guns pointed at him.
They jumped his ship. I'm saying that Surfer's world wasn't as violence free as you think.

Originally posted by Draco69
Nope. Sounds like a random mob that was stupid enough to dogpile a cosmic herald....It's a good thing you read the comic. It happened before Norrin became Galactus's herald.




Originally posted by Draco69
Surfer's got no HTH skills. Diana has loads. It's not so difficult...See this is the whole damn reason, this started.
Surfer has h2h skills. Your saying he has none.
So your also saying that you have to have skill to beat anyone?
So would this also, mean that Batman is unbeatable, because most people aren't as skilled as him.

Originally posted by Draco69
Why would he? Do you think he's going to go h2h with Galactus?Am I supposed to answer this? Didn't I direct this at you?



Originally posted by Draco69
Um. No. He outPOWERED Gladiator. With his cosmic energy....No, he didn't.
He outpowered him, without using his energy.

Plus, isn't Surfer's power source, the power cosmic? So wouldn't that mean he uses it in every fight?




Originally posted by Draco69
Atlas is rather weak. Thing has gone HTH with Atlas with success...

And Atlas isn't anywhere near Surfer's power level in regards to speed or power regarding cosmic energy...Surfer used absolutely no speed. Surfer got jumped by two people.
He hit Atlas once, and put him down.



Originally posted by Draco69
I'm assuming A) the "cosmic-powered" Doombot must have got his energy stolen back or some plot device helped Surfer out. After all, if he's completely drained.... B) the robot didnt' fight like Captain Americe did it? Nope, it's was the usual lumbering robot with constrained appendages....
The first part "I'm assuming"
Surfer was dieing in space, Legacy came, he revived Surfer, gave him some power.
Surfer then went and found the Doombot, he hit him a couple times, basically shattering him, he ripped him apart, using his hands, then when he ripped his whole body apart, he took his head, and absorbed back his power cosmic.


Originally posted by Draco69
With his cosmic energy....



With his cosmic energy...

erm

Come on now....No, I don't believe he did.




Originally posted by Draco69
Is Abomination ANYWHERE near Diana's skill or strength. No....Never said he was.

Originally posted by Draco69
Abomination is a huge hulking mass of muscle that Surfer used wit, his own strength and his own durability to defeat.
Skill. Plus Surfer was regaining his energy back. He was extremly weakened priar to.
Originally posted by Draco69
Good luck to Surfer, fighting an opponent that knows nearly every DCU martial art and makes Surfer's skills look rather retarded in comparision...First off. How does Hulk beat Thor, Hercules, etc? Since Hulk doesn't have too many fighting skills.


Originally posted by Draco69
Yeah. There's a difference between Dr. Strange and SS.

Just like theres a difference to everyone.

Originally posted by Draco69
We've actually seen Strange fight with HTH against other skilled opponents AND we've actually seen him TRAIN his HTH skills.
We have, but we have also seen Wolverine use his way more.


Originally posted by Draco69
You're just spewing this nonsense that Surfer learned how some alien martial art from some alien planet and got black belt off-panel...I'm not spewing anything. I'm saying that he does have some skills, you said he had none.



Originally posted by Draco69
It's not being thrown out the window...it's being thrown out the bloody door....When?

Originally posted by Draco69
Do you have ANY onpanel feats showing Surfer defeating a highly-skilled opponent like Diana using ONLY his own HTH skills and NO cosmic energy whatsoever?I have never said that Surfer was as skilled as Diana, now have I?
I said, he had skills.

Originally posted by Draco69
NOPE. Good luck finding that.What about holding his own with Thanos? What about beating Thanos in a realm where there powers don't work?

Originally posted by Draco69
Defeating a lummox like Abomination does NOT equate to defeating a highly skilled Amazon who spars with Lady Shiva every Saturday afternoon....No, but I showed Surfer using skill to do it.
So your saying that a super strong person like WW, can only "spar" with a Batman leveler?



Originally posted by Draco69
Oh, don't be crude. You know what I meant.

roll eyes (sarcastic)You said it, not me.

Originally posted by Draco69
SUPER-reflexes. Ya know, the translightspeed reflexes Surfer so often projects?Surfer thinks in superspeed.

Originally posted by Draco69
If Diana and Surfer's reflexes are rendered the same and normal for this fight, than Diana's gonna kick his ass....Too bad, Surfer's reflexes are quite high.





Originally posted by Draco69
No, I see her dancing around Surfer's clumsy attempts of attack and honing her uber-MA skills to kick his ass...repeatedly..Oh, ok. So tell me, how does, someone like





Originally posted by Draco69
Around Thor and Hercules level or above.

erm So your saying that Supes with no powers, speed, etc, would get his ass kicked, in h2h if he still had his super strength?

You think I'm stupid, to not know Supes strength?

I asked where his strength would be at when he fights Bats.

Draco69
Originally posted by Mindship
I think this is probably an instance where...

Surfer is so friggin' durable, there probably isn't much WW can do to hurt him.

On the other hand...

WW is so friggin' skillful at h2h, there probably isn't much SS can do to take her down.

I'd say this is a stalemate, but one where WW puts up a much better showing.

Pretty much.

Draco69
Originally posted by Validus
IC gets too much flack especially coming from guys who love Civil War despite it's fundamental flaws but thats a whole different rant from me.

IC gets flak because A) they didn't understand it B) They don't know nothing about DC's history.

Civil War is simple and easy to understand.

bigbran
Originally posted by Draco69
IC gets flak because A) they didn't understand it B) They don't know nothing about DC's history.

Civil War is simple and easy to understand. Am I the only one who actually liked IC?

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
Am I the only one who actually liked IC?

I hated the inconsistant art. Phil Jimenez's art was good in the first issue but it was obviously rushed and hurried in the latter issues.

And when it wasn't Jimenez, it was so lackluster artist I've never heard before doing it.

They couldn't find Michael Turner or Jim Lee to the Infinite Crisis?

erm

bigbran
Originally posted by Draco69
I hated the inconsistant art. Phil Jimenez's art was good in the first issue but it was obviously rushed and hurried in the latter issues.

And when it wasn't Jimenez, it was so lackluster artist I've never heard before doing it.

They couldn't find Michael Turner or Jim Lee to the Infinite Crisis?

erm I thought the art was good.
But nevertheless, I don't think art should take away from the story....unless it's like the art from the She-Hulk vs Thanos.

Draco69
Originally posted by bigbran
I thought the art was good.
But nevertheless, I don't think art should take away from the story....unless it's like the art from the She-Hulk vs Thanos.

I also didn't like the ending. ALWAYS has to end with friggin' Superman....

bigbran
Originally posted by Draco69
I also didn't like the ending. ALWAYS has to end with friggin' Superman.... Ok, there you got me.

They should have had like all the heros jumping him. Or the corps getting pissed off, and getting back at him.
But no, Damnit, Superman has to do it!

Validus
Originally posted by Draco69
I hated the inconsistant art. Phil Jimenez's art was good in the first issue but it was obviously rushed and hurried in the latter issues.

And when it wasn't Jimenez, it was so lackluster artist I've never heard before doing it.

They couldn't find Michael Turner or Jim Lee to the Infinite Crisis?

erm
They fixed some of the art in the hardcover especially in #7. Perez redid the hero spread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/paulnewell/Infinite%20Crisis/icspread.jpg

Seriously though, Lee and Turner? Lee can't seem to get a book out on time these days. Turner? No.

Validus
Originally posted by bigbran
Am I the only one who actually liked IC?
1-6 were classic. #4 is one of my favorite individual issues ever. #7 sucked though.

Draco69
Originally posted by Validus
They fixed some of the art in the hardcover especially in #7. Perez redid the hero spread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/paulnewell/Infinite%20Crisis/icspread.jpg

Seriously though, Lee and Turner? Lee can't seem to get a book out on time these days. Turner? No.

That's a HELL of a lot better than that piece of crap spread we got the last time.

Those guys were just examples. A top-tier artist should have done the crisis. Not Lopezwhatizname....

bigbran
Originally posted by Validus
They fixed some of the art in the hardcover especially in #7. Perez redid the hero spread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/paulnewell/Infinite%20Crisis/icspread.jpg

Seriously though, Lee and Turner? Lee can't seem to get a book out on time these days. Turner? No. "I'de say things are in good hands." That's funny, considering they have Black Adam was in the middle...

Validus
Originally posted by Draco69
That's a HELL of a lot better than that piece of crap spread we got the last time.

Those guys were just examples. A top-tier artist should have done the crisis. Not Lopezwhatizname....
Marvel did it right with CW. Delaying the issues to ensure all McNiven goodness was the right choice. I would kill for 7 straight issues of IC done by Jimenez.

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by Validus
1-6 were classic. #4 is one of my favorite individual issues ever. #7 sucked though.

They tried to wrap it up too quick. They should simply have extended it about 2 more issues and had some massive battles.

Mr. Universe
Not enought durability to match Diana? You mean the guy that flies through stars and survives super novas. He outclasses her durability wise. I don't know if her fighting skills enough to compensate for that. He'd take anything she could dish out.

lol@Wanda

Validus
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
They tried to wrap it up too quick. They should simply have extended it about 2 more issues and had some massive battles.
You're not kidding. The whole space part was practically pointless. Donna gathers some of the most powerful people on Earth (leaving it near defenseless btw) and all they do is blow off one of Alex's fingers? Wonderful job.

Avalonofthewind
Originally posted by Validus
You're not kidding. The whole space part was practically pointless. Donna gathers some of the most powerful people on Earth (leaving it near defenseless btw) and all they do is blow off one of Alex's fingers? Wonderful job.

It amazed me that with months of planning and incredibly well done tie in's...THAT was the best way they thought of ending it?

The high point was by far #4. I saw it running out of steam by 5 but thought they could bring it around by 7.... Boy was I wrong.

It wasn't horrible...but definitely anti-climatic.

Validus
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
It amazed me that with months of planning and incredibly well done tie in's...THAT was the best way they thought of ending it?

The high point was by far #4. I saw it running out of steam by 5 but thought they could bring it around by 7.... Boy was I wrong.

It wasn't horrible...but definitely anti-climatic.
#4 was definitely the high point with the Flash family sacrifice and the re-appearance of Earth-2. At the time I looked at 5 as the calm before the storm, setting up for something big in space and the huge brawl in Metropolis. The Superman/Superman fight wasn't what it should have been unless you read the tie in Superman issues. Whoever made the decision to have the majority of their fight take place in tie in issues needs to be shot.

LethalFemme
If I can get back on topic I see Surfer being WW's dream come true a life size dummy for beating.happy

Validus
Originally posted by LethalFemme
If I can get back on topic I see Surfer being WW's dream come true a life size dummy for beating.happy
You of all people trying to get back on topic? laughing out loud

LethalFemme
Originally posted by Validus
You of all people trying to get back on topic? laughing out loud

There are only TWO occasions when going off topic is acceptable.

1. I dislike the actual topic and the off topic is more interesting.

2. The topic becomes good things about me.

mhm

Validus
Originally posted by LethalFemme
There are only TWO occasions when going off topic is acceptable.

1. I dislike the actual topic and the off topic is more interesting.

2. The topic becomes good things about me.

mhm
Well whaddya know, I have a ton of good things to say about you. laughing out loud

LethalFemme
Originally posted by Validus
Well whaddya know, I have a ton of good things to say about you. laughing out loud

You too good to me.in_love

Validus
Shutupho!

LethalFemme
_talk_to_the_hand_

batdude123
stfu2

Mindship
LethalFemme, I gotta tell ya: thong's look uncomfy enough as is, but to have one all sharp and pointy up there...Hokey Smokes!

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindship
LethalFemme, I gotta tell ya: thong's look uncomfy enough as is, but to have one all sharp and pointy up there...Hokey Smokes!

She gets a kick out of that kind of shit. ermm

Validus
Originally posted by Mindship
LethalFemme, I gotta tell ya: thong's look uncomfy enough as is, but to have one all sharp and pointy up there...Hokey Smokes!
Actually thongs are pretty comfortable. smile

Mindship
Originally posted by Validus
Actually thongs are pretty comfortable. smile

< wonders about a razor-wire thong, though.

Big Sexy
Originally posted by Validus
Actually thongs are pretty comfortable. smile Wonders how Validus knows this.fear

LethalFemme
Originally posted by Validus
Actually thongs are pretty comfortable. smile

yes

Lord Slaydo
I think the root is the matter is the durability of Surfer's exterior...only extremely powerful magic and power cosmic users have ever pierced it.

The Galactic Glaze he's coated in is a product of Galactus' alien science...and for all we know his whole molecular structure is now composed ot the galactus glaze. WW's fist ain't gonna do it.. Neitheri is supermans.

And it's not clear if its just not him being able to use the power cosmic or him being not able to absorb it, because any place in the universe there's ambient energy...which is everwhere in the cosmos, the Silver Surfer can draw the Power Cosmic....so even if he can't use it against WW he's still amped by it regardless...the fight would have to take place in a n area where there's no cosmic energy....and the only such place would be at a point billions of light years distance that no cosmic radiation has ever reached.

Planet hulk still showed him able to wreck the Hulk even without the Power Cosmic.

Granted Diana supposedly has Superman level strength and mad fighting skills, but her durability is low.. her skins been pierced by bullets...like in the WW #70-80 issues I believe.

I'd say she would knock the living stuffing out of him if he can't absorb power cosmic or is temporarily burned out(like Wonder Man did during the Infinity Crusade), but if he can still absorb the PC and just can't use it in energy blasts he takes her cause he can amp his strength to cosmic levels and he'll be able to fight long after Diana collapses.

She'd give him a drudging in the start because of her skill, but eventually he would wear her down and because the Surfer never quits he would win.....

If he can still absorb the Power Cosmic....

Without it she's gonna knock him all around the landscape..maybe not unconscious,, but it's gonna go bad for my man Norrin

bigbran
Originally posted by Lord Slaydo


I'd say she would knock the living stuffing out of him if he can't absorb power cosmic or is temporarily burned out(like Wonder Man did during the Infinity Crusade) Didn't SS punch him out?
Are you talking about the one where Storm and Wonder Man were there?

Lord Slaydo
Yeah, Big.

And Silver Surfer did whoop his ass after he rested for like 30 secs. He knocked the s#$t out of Wonder Man in like 5 seconds. Yeah, storm was there and she hit the Surf with a lightning bolt from behind. It took him by surprise, but he didn't lay the smack down on her in his great mercy.

And as far as Infinite Crisis goes, it all pretty much blew...except for the Flash's sacrifice...that was about the only thing good in the whole series.

It was a big disappointment...

The only ones that didn't any thing that made sense were the flashes...nothing else made sense....like Geoff Johns didn't really know what he was writing..

Superboy P flying through OA to start a Big Bang?????????????

Superboy P punching a wall in another dimension to explain all the Retcons in the past 20 years?

How would Superboy fight Superboy P for even a second when he was moving planets around? Superboy P would have taken his head off with the first punch?

How would Superman fight Superman 2 IF HE COULD MOVE PLANETS? He would have taken his head off!

Even the flashes....how could they use their speed against Superboy P if he had pre crisis speed and was ever bit as fast as the flashes?

All Donna troy and crew did in space was watch the Giant hand....they were like gnats when they interfered?

Why were the other worlds unstable? They were just blowing up for no reason?

Why did Superboy P go bad....from his actions in Crisis he was anything but a selfish young punk...even considering his time in the Paradise dimension...

IC was supposed to be big for Power Girl, but she gets knocked out with one punch from Superboy prime and does nothing for the rest of the series?

Why was the Spectre allowed to kill so many magical beings when all it takes is the spear of destiny to stop him?

Krptonite from this universe and magic don't affect Superboy prime, but red sun does?

Infinite Crisis blew big donkey dick.

I don't see how hardcore fans could like it..maybe little kids that don't think much about continuity. Nothing made sense and the plot holes were big enough to drive a bus through.

bigbran
Originally posted by Lord Slaydo
Yeah, Big.

And Silver Surfer did whoop his ass after he rested for like 30 secs. He knocked the s#$t out of Wonder Man in like 5 seconds. Yeah, storm was there and she hit the Surf with a lightning bolt from behind. It took him by surprise, but he didn't lay the smack down on her in his great mercy.

Nah. Wonderman grabbed an unconcious Surfer, and started to beat the hell out of him. Like seriously, Surfer was wrapped around a tree when they found him.

Surfer was also weakened. Then he hit him into the woods. 2 seconds later Surfer comes out, beat the bejesus out of him. Nearly kills him. Then he tries to heal him. Storm flies up, shoots lightening. Surfer grabs her hand one panel later, tells her to wait, then he goes and heals Wonderman.

I just don't want people to make it look like the duo beat up Surfer.

Lord Slaydo
I kind of think your knitpicking big, but if its to defend the surfer its all good.

I still dont think the thread condition has enough info to really answer the question.

bigbran
Originally posted by Lord Slaydo
I kind of think your knitpicking big, but if its to defend the surfer its all good.

I still dont think the thread condition has enough info to really answer the question. I'm nitpicking because If I don't then someone is going to say, "if Wonderman can beat up Surfer, then WW can"

I'm just telling the full story.

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