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The pissed-off Ghost of Sparda versus the insane SOLDIER with the long-ass sword. This is the Advent Children version of Sephiroth, but with his FF7 stats.

The showdown is at Nibelheim (right after Sephiroth barbecues it)

Sparta *

Originally posted by IceJaw
Sparta *

Oops. My bad. Damn typos.

You mean Sephiroth versus the new God Of War, who beat tons of big ass monsters from Mythologies, f'ucked with the Gods and killed Ares??? I'll say Kratos.

Originally posted by Rewmac
You mean Sephiroth versus the new God Of War, who beat tons of big ass monsters from Mythologies, f'ucked with the Gods and killed Ares??? I'll say Kratos.

In this match, he's not the God of War just yet. He's the pissed-off Ghose of Sparta.

Hmm. Still gotta go with Kratos. Not only do I not like Sephiroth, but Kratos is a much better fighter. Kratos earned his victories and abilities, Sephiroth had them handed to him.

Sephiroth would just use Heartless Angel. End of battle.

Advent children Sephiroth? with FF7 stats?... you mean attacks?

That's what I'm guessing. I mean stats would really be the same from Advent Children and FF7.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
That's what I'm guessing. I mean stats would really be the same from Advent Children and FF7.

I'm just using the Advent Children Sephy for apprarance only. His stats come from the time he is one of the good guys (during Cloud's flashback scene in Kalm).

And they are Riduculously high.

Kratos easily, Grabs sephy by his long hair and ties him down and kicks him in the stomach till he cries like a girl

ooooohhhhh....

Seph whoops Kratos' ass

in that state as awesome as kratos is he's no match
sephiroth out does him in nearly every aspect, expect dying

Originally posted by Kaled
in that state as awesome as kratos is he's no match
sephiroth out does him in nearly every aspect, expect dying

hmm Kratos needs god form then he woops sephiroth

then sephiroth plays his theme song and kills him in god form

So he is not God Of War?? Then does he have the magics unlocked and the Blade Of Artemis. Coz If Sephiroth got his magics Kratos should do too...In that way he can just call the Hordes Of Hades Magic and hit him woth Poseidon's Rage or single handedly using Meduza's Gaze making him a stone and then with the Blades Of Artemis just smash him into pieces.

Come on, this is Sephiroth. Haven't you watched Advent Children or the fight with him on Crisis Core between Angeal and Genesis? Sephiroth is the guy the cuts buildings apart with a swing of a sword, that takes six cuts with six busterswords to kill. No doubt he could slice a mountain apart if he wanted to, something even Kratos couldn't do in a single slash as the God of War. Don't get me wrong, Kratos is definitely bad ass, extremely bad ass, but up against a guy that destroys skyscrapers made of metal like in Advent Children and Crisis Core, Kratos has no chance. It's just an opinion so say what you want

Originally posted by Snafu the Great
I'm just using the Advent Children Sephy for apprarance only. His stats come from the time he is one of the good guys (during Cloud's flashback scene in Kalm).

And they are Riduculously high.

Then you may as well have just said Crisis Core Sephiroth, who Kratos obliterates given the fact, among other reasons, that it's Sephiroth's weakest known state. AC Seph with his AC "stats" (otherwise what I'd consider a "full-powered Sephiroth" would give a full-powered Kratos a much better run for his money.

Originally posted by Roxas XIII
Prove it.

Kratos crushes CC Seph.

this been done? like in the other thread or w/e

like in that one, Kratos wins

Originally posted by Roxas XIII
something even Kratos couldn't do in a single slash as the God of War.

As a God, Kratos could annihilate an entire army with one geture, no doubt it would have the same effect on Crisis Core's Sephiroth. Kratos tossed a living mountain-sized statue to the ground with his bare hands when NOT his God form (his Godly powers were what imbued the statue to life).



Only in this one, Kratos' victory is just short of a curb stomp whereas AC Sephiroth(who has the exact same appearance as CC Sephiroth anyway :/ ) vs. A fully-powered Kratos is a much more fair fight.

Mundus ruled an entire hell dimension. The Greek gods didn't rule the earth, did they? Ares couldn't even destroy a city. Let alone a planet. Not saying that Sephiroth did, but he did have the potential.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Mundus ruled an entire hell dimension. The Greek gods didn't rule the earth, did they? Ares couldn't even destroy a city. Let alone a planet. Not saying that Sephiroth did, but he did have the potential. Wtf does Mundus have to do with this fight?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Wtf does Mundus have to do with this fight?

Oh shit, my bad. I posted in the wrong thread. I was thinking about dante for some reason. Forget what I said before.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Mundus ruled an entire hell dimension. The Greek gods didn't rule the earth, did they? Ares couldn't even destroy a city. Let alone a planet. Not saying that Sephiroth did, but he did have the potential.

In Greek Mythology, Zeus was one of three primary rulers of the universe, and that doesn't seem to have changed with God of War, except for the fact that Kratos, Zeus' son, the new leader of the Titans, and the new controller of time and fate, is dead-set on killing Zeus. Ares only destroyed a city out of a grudge towards Zeus for "casting his favor on Athena".

Originally posted by Burning thought
this been done? like in the other thread or w/e

like in that one, Kratos wins

The other thread where Kratos "won", happened only in your dreams.

Originally posted by SHM
The other thread where Kratos "won", happened only in your dreams. Kratos can physically bend Sephiroth over his knee and spank him, and Seph would not be able to do a thing.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Kratos can physically bend Sephiroth over his knee and spank him, and Seph would not be able to do a thing.

If you ignore all of Sephiroth's abilities... Yeah, sure.

Originally posted by SHM
If you ignore all of Sephiroth's abilities... Yeah, sure. Like what? The ability to be pwned?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Like what? The ability to be pwned?

Nope. The ability to make Kratos his b*tch, with just his theme song.

Which isn't even all that good, and is a mystery as to why all the fat phales in my algebra class orgasmed when one of there fat phale friends' cell phone ringtone came on, and it was Sephs' theme.

Originally posted by SHM
Nope. The ability to make Kratos his b*tch, with just his theme song.

Just because Kratos doesn't have a theme song doesn't mean his game series doesn't have a soundtrack that blows every heavy metal remix(No offense, Black Mages) in the FFVII Compilation and all of it's 3+ One Winged Angel mixes out of the water. If it took good music, then God of War, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. would make FFVII crawl into a fetal position while foaming at the mouth.

Niggaplulz SHM, Perfect Cell's them in DBZ Budokai is better than One Winged Angel.

Well it is.

There is no piece of music in gaming, anime, or television that can match that of One Winged Angel. Only movies have an equal and that's Battle of the Heroes from Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.

hm...

Nah. Overrated theme song from an overrated character.

Yep. One Winged Angel ain't got shit on God of War music.

But NOTHING else in gaming can compare to Phantasy Star Ep.1-2 music. Shit puts you to sleep while playing the game. haermm

The best game that has the best music has always been the Sonic games (lately it's been horrible gameplay but the music is still amazing) but there is no track in any God of War game that can be compared to One Winged Angel.

Yes Sephiroth is overrated and I believe he and Cloud hit it off like two gay howler monkeys in a hot summer day because no straight guy would be thinking about Sephiroth when Tifa and Aerith are basically giving themselves to you; but the song is without a doubt a masterpiece that God of War fails to match.

Never.

And as for anime and shit...Please. There are much better pieces.

A friggin DBZ videogame gave the main villain a better theme than Sephiroth.

And Sonic music is God. That is true. Live and Learn to date is my favorite videogame song.

My favorite is Billy Joel's segment in Halo 3.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
My favorite is Billy Joel's segment in Halo 3.

Stfu homo and MSN me. I is lonely.

Mad World was cool to, though that doesn't really count as game music.

Which reminds me...The character in my sig could beat up all the ones in you guy's sigs. 131

Yeah he'd win in all the contests except for the one that matters: appearance.

He looks like a white gorilla in your avatar.

No way, he looks like Donny Osmond, who you use as a pic of yourself to pic up chicks, or more specifically you use a pic of a guy who looks like him, loser. haermm

Originally posted by ESB -1138
There is no piece of music in gaming, anime, or television that can match that of One Winged Angel. Only movies have an equal and that's Battle of the Heroes from Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.

Someone hasn't played Streets or Rage or Shadow of the Colossus. I can't even pick one single track out of either, the whole soundtrack is awesome. "Time's Scar' from Chrono Cross is another great one that I put on an even level if not above "One Winged Angel."

Sephy's theme is just the far more famous song.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Never.

And as for anime and shit...Please. There are much better pieces.

A friggin DBZ videogame gave the main villain a better theme than Sephiroth.

And Sonic music is God. That is true. Live and Learn to date is my favorite videogame song.

Well then it would seem we just have different tastes when it comes to music then because frankly I found the music in the DBZ games very boring and genetic. And anime is basically what every FPS is turning in to; the same piece of crap that you just went through only with a different character who looks just like another character from an FPS with a story that is laughable and half the time they're telling you that war is bad but instead of doing something about it you are sent out to kill even more until everyone is dead besides you and thus you cannot possibly have anymore wars until the next uninspired sequel (Gundam anyone?).

Originally posted by ESB -1138
The best game that has the best music has always been the Sonic games (lately it's been horrible gameplay but the music is still amazing) but there is no track in any God of War game that can be compared to One Winged Angel.

Yes Sephiroth is overrated and I believe he and Cloud hit it off like two gay howler monkeys in a hot summer day because no straight guy would be thinking about Sephiroth when Tifa and Aerith are basically giving themselves to you; but the song is without a doubt a masterpiece that God of War fails to match.

The Minotaur boss fight alone had a more frighteningly enticing song than One Wiged Angel had ever been for me. The only reasons One-Winged Angel ever has any kind of epicness to it is because of the cicumstances of the scene which is how it became memorable. In that sense, it kind of is overrated. When actually listening to the songs outside of the game, God of War's soundtrack has been considered Triple A film material (not CG fanservice film material), whereas One Winged Angel really is just a typical RPG tune that just so happens to have been remixed like twice, even though only one remix is any good. No offense, but the way you decribe it just proves how overrated One Winged Angel really is.

Even Metal Gear Solid has better music than what FFVII ever offered (in termso f being good music, not a memorable theme song). It doesn't take an ominous tune and repetitious latin lyrics to make a theme song epic. Almost any of God of War's songs could've been used as music for a final boss anywhere else.

Not to mention Crisis Core's recent remix of One Winged Angel practically butchered the song.

As for Sonic games, the only song that had consitently pissed me off was Zebrahead's lyrical version of "His World" (the instrumental version's good though, they were smart to have put that one in Brawl).

sephiroth would kill kratos i mean if kratos gets 8 ft of range he is dead meat

It Sephiroth gets within 15 feet of range he is dead meat. C WUT EYE DID THAR!?

Im still waiting on what Kratos can do against NL, or Sephiroth willpower, speed, etc, all people have stated is who Kratos beat, sorry but thats all PIS involved, just like how link beats ganon all the time, and how cloud beat sephiroth.
In a real fight we judge by the powers, strength, etc..

Originally posted by Terryc250
Im still waiting on what Kratos can do against NL, or Sephiroth willpower, speed, etc, all people have stated is who Kratos beat, sorry but thats all PIS involved, just like how link beats ganon all the time, and how cloud beat sephiroth.
In a real fight we judge by the powers, strength, etc.. NL has NEVER been used in a fight. Willpower............Lol. Speed can be handled by Kratos' many spells. KRatos is stronger and much more skilled.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Im still waiting on what Kratos can do against NL, or Sephiroth willpower, speed, etc, all people have stated is who Kratos beat, sorry but thats all PIS involved, just like how link beats ganon all the time, and how cloud beat sephiroth.
In a real fight we judge by the powers, strength, etc..

His fight against Persephone was not PIS, nor were the Sisters of Fate or any of the Greek heroes or mythical beasts he killed (unless you count a bridge or a mast as PIS, but I just see it as taking advantage of the envrionment). Ares was his only real PIS battle.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
NL has NEVER been used in a fight. Willpower............Lol. Speed can be handled by Kratos' many spells. KRatos is stronger and much more skilled.
But we do know the powers of the lifestream, just because we never seen it in action doesn't mean it doesn't exist, yes willpower. What "spells" can he do against Sephiroths speed? Sephiroth speed is basically instant, as is his teleportation, what is Kratos strength feats anyway?

Originally posted by Terryc250
But we do know the powers of the lifestream, just because we never seen it in action doesn't mean it doesn't exist, yes willpower. What "spells" can he do against Sephiroths speed? Sephiroth speed is basically instant, as is his teleportation, what is Kratos strength feats anyway? But we don't know how it would function in a fight. Willpower? What would that do? And Kratos is the guy who literally fought his way out of Hades. Easy, Atlas Quake, Zeus' Lightning, Cronos' Rage, AOE spells like that. What are Kratos' strength feats? How about tossing a 200 foot tall moving metal Collossus when it tried to step on him?

In the side story of Denzel, when the lifestream came to destroy meteor, Denzels mom was exposed to the tainted lifestream of Sephiroth, she died instantly, when Sephiroth fell into the lifestream, his body was completely destroyed, the lifestream is not harmless.. also keep in mind that the negative lifestream is tainted with J-cells and can infect beings with geostigma.

What can Sephiroths willpower do? Well it held Holy still for months, Holy is the antithesis of Meteor, and was stated to beable to destroy everything on the planet, not even that could escape it.

yet he held it with his willpower which cannot be registered yet as a feat of strength or as a good one at all, something being powerful as i said does not mean its hard to hold, all Holy is is energy is it not?

So then what do you describe as being hard to hold? Something "not" powerful? Holy is a big mass of destructive energy, if a nuclear bomb were to explode, it would release destructive energy, and yes, it would be hard to hold.. common sense.

power is nothing to do with it, something hard to hold would be something heavy, fast moving etc etc thats something hard to hold, Holy was just seeminly plucked out of the air by willpower, the things made of energy so it has an unkown weight and it wasnt doing anything apart from moving was it not towards it location? so no it would not necessarily be hard to hold, more likely the opposite considering its energy body

what other fiction have you seen that makes you think that something powerful is hard to hold, a non living thing of unkown weght and resistence?

Also a nuclear bombs explosion is completly diffrent to holy, a nuclear bomb is a constant force blastwave once it goes off, we "know" it would be difficult to hold, but Holy isnt giving off a constant blast wave.

Originally posted by Terryc250
In the side story of Denzel, when the lifestream came to destroy meteor, Denzels mom was exposed to the tainted lifestream of Sephiroth, she died instantly, when Sephiroth fell into the lifestream, his body was completely destroyed, the lifestream is not harmless.. also keep in mind that the negative lifestream is tainted with J-cells and can infect beings with geostigma.

What can Sephiroths willpower do? Well it held Holy still for months, Holy is the antithesis of Meteor, and was stated to beable to destroy everything on the planet, not even that could escape it. 1. I know what it can do man. We still have no idea how it would function in battle, if it can at all.

2. Kay. And Willpower, like Holy, is an abstract thing, so we do not know if it can even function physically.

Originally posted by Burning thought
power is nothing to do with it, something hard to hold would be something heavy, fast moving etc etc thats something hard to hold, Holy was just seeminly plucked out of the air by willpower, the things made of energy so it has an unkown weight and it wasnt doing anything apart from moving was it not towards it location? so no it would not necessarily be hard to hold, more likely the opposite considering its energy body

what other fiction have you seen that makes you think that something powerful is hard to hold, a non living thing of unkown weght and resistence?

Also a nuclear bombs explosion is completly diffrent to holy, a nuclear bomb is a constant force blastwave once it goes off, we "know" it would be difficult to hold, but Holy isnt giving off a constant blast wave.

Holy is able to travel continents is seconds (fast) what makes things "heavy" hard to hold is by FORCE, the weight and gravity makes the FORCE powerful, think about it, Holy is a powerful output of energy force that can travel continents in seconds, and it is able to rip through anything in its path.

A nuclear bomb explosion blast is an output of energy travelling outwards, yes the energy would be hard to hold, Holy is an output of energy travelling towards meteor, but the energy was contained by Sephiroth.

*sigh*

Sephiroth can protect himself with a barrier above city-busting attacks(the one around the Crater in FFVII, that couldn't be destroyed by the normal Junon Cannon, the same Cannon stated to be a city-buster, in Before Crisis). He can phase through all of Kratos attacks(intangibility). He can regenerate his entire body in seconds(he did that in AC, by using the J-cells in that box).
Barrier + intangibility + insane regeneration(IIRC he is described as "nigh immortal" in the Ultimania, just because of that). How the fuc* could Kratos kill, or even hurt him?!

And I'm only talking about his deffense. It's not like Sephiroth will stay there doing nothing, while Kratos attacks him.


Seriously, some people in this forum underrate Sephiroth all the time, just because they think he is overrated. It's ridiculous.

Originally posted by SHM
*sigh*

Sephiroth can protect himself with a barrier above city-busting attacks(the one around the Crater in FFVII, that couldn't be destroyed by the normal Junon Cannon, the same Cannon stated to be a city-buster, in Before Crisis). He can phase through all of Kratos attacks(intangibility). He can regenerate his entire body in seconds(he did that in AC, by using the J-cells in that box).
Barrier + intangibility + insane regeneration(IIRC he is described as "nigh immortal" in the Ultimania, just because of that). How the fuc* could Kratos kill, or even hurt him?!

And I'm only talking about his deffense. It's not like Sephiroth will stay there doing nothing, while Kratos attacks him.


Seriously, some people in this forum underrate Sephiroth all the time, just because they think he is overrated. It's ridiculous. 1. Has he ever shown to be able to do a smaller more battle worthy form of that barrier? I think not.

Sephiroth has never used intangibility, the Jenova clones did. And he has NEVER used it in battle.

Regeneration? Bullshit, he was CLEARLY shown to take over Kadaj's body, not regen from nothing. Kadaj transformed into Sephiroth.

With a sword, like Cloud.

What "Jenova clones"? You mean the body parts of Jenova he used? Well see, in AC he has the entire body as himself, in AC he became the newest stage evolution of Jenova.


CC Sephiroth (weakest) doing a smaller barrier (0:35)

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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Has he ever shown to be able to do a smaller more battle worthy form of that barrier? I think not.

Yeah, fine, whatever. He doesn't need it to win anyway.



There isn't any "Jenova Clones" in FFVII. Sephiroth turned intangible by using the powers of a body made of 100% Jenova cells. A body exactly like the one he was using in AC.



See? This type of argument is only used by Sephiroth-haters, who are so desparate to underrate him, that they come with this nonsense bullshit, just because they want him to lose.

Who cares if he never used it in a battle? He CAN turn intangible, and that's the point. What Kratos could do to harm him? Nothing.



That's another reason why some people underrate him: lack of knowledge.
Kadaj didn't transform, because he wasn't even a physical being. He was a spirit.
To return to life, Sephiroth needed a physical body, and then he used the Jenova-cells. That's why Kadaj and the others are after the cells in the first place, to bring him back.
The cells were the host for Sephiroth's consciousness, not Kadaj.

How do I know this? Because of the Reunion Files. Go read it.




But not with Omnislash Version 5, like Cloud, or an attack on the same level.


Now please, stop ignoring his abilities just because you don't like him.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Holy is able to travel continents is seconds (fast) what makes things "heavy" hard to hold is by FORCE, the weight and gravity makes the FORCE powerful, think about it, Holy is a powerful output of energy force that can travel continents in seconds, and it is able to rip through anything in its path.

A nuclear bomb explosion blast is an output of energy travelling outwards, yes the energy would be hard to hold, Holy is an output of energy travelling towards meteor, but the energy was contained by Sephiroth.


Yes its fast BUT heres the rub, how can you prove its heavy? and no, weight and gravity depends on the friction of the object, if the object is just energy you cant prove its weight, it has no density.

It has an output of force and energy, its very diffrent and that depends, hard ot hold for whom? no human has TK and no one has ever even tried to hold a nuclear bomb, theres no TK in the real world so how can you compare something like that hm? Sephiroth ever held a nuclear blast? no ofc not.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes its fast BUT heres the rub, how can you prove its heavy? and no, weight and gravity depends on the friction of the object, if the object is just energy you cant prove its weight, it has no density.

It has an output of force and energy, its very diffrent and that depends, hard ot hold for whom? no human has TK and no one has ever even tried to hold a nuclear bomb, theres no TK in the real world so how can you compare something like that hm? Sephiroth ever held a nuclear blast? no ofc not.

See, this is where YOU don't understand all WEIGHT is, is FORCE of the gravitational pull,(in actual physics, half of FORCE is the acceleration speed) now heres the common logic part, a powerful energy force that can travel continents in seconds (speed) destroying everything in its path, in theory; that is similar to a explosion blast. ( going by your logic " if the object is just energy you cant prove its weight, it has no density." then an explosion blast would be easy to contain right? But we all know thats false.)

No, but we can use our imagination, never has any character in fiction ever held a big explosion with ease with TK, you can think of TK as bringing up a wall, the power of the TK depends on how powerful that wall is, normally an explosion would shatter any wall unless that wall is powerful enough.

Originally posted by SHM
Yeah, fine, whatever. He doesn't need it to win anyway.



There isn't any "Jenova Clones" in FFVII. Sephiroth turned intangible by using the powers of a body made of 100% Jenova cells. A body exactly like the one he was using in AC.



See? This type of argument is only used by Sephiroth-haters, who are so desparate to underrate him, that they come with this nonsense bullshit, just because they want him to lose.

Who cares if he never used it in a battle? He CAN turn intangible, and that's the point. What Kratos could do to harm him? Nothing.



That's another reason why some people underrate him: lack of knowledge.
Kadaj didn't transform, because he wasn't even a physical being. He was a spirit.
To return to life, Sephiroth needed a physical body, and then he used the Jenova-cells. That's why Kadaj and the others are after the cells in the first place, to bring him back.
The cells were the host for Sephiroth's consciousness, not Kadaj.

How do I know this? Because of the Reunion Files. Go read it.




But not with Omnislash Version 5, like Cloud, or an attack on the same level.


Now please, stop ignoring his abilities just because you don't like him. 1. I'll just answer Terry on this subject. He can create a barrier, true, but as he was a SOLDIER at that time, he clearly had materia, and there is materia used to make barriers. Also, there is no proof that barrier was as strong as the one that tanked the canon.

2. Okay. I will rephrase this. A body made from Jenova. O RLY? Then wtf was Kadaj even there for if he can regen from just a friggin head? Also, if he has t3h super regen, why has he NEVER healed from a single wound in battle? What can Kratos do to harm him? Well in a physical fight overpower him and rip in half for one, and let's not forget Kratos' versatility advantage, he can turn Seph to stone in a flash and shatter Seph. Regen from that. Sure, the cells were needed to bring him back, but so was Kadaj, or at least one of the SHM, because if he did not, he should have been able to regen from just the head, but could not. If he did not transform...Then why the hell did we clearly see him do it? We saw Kadaj transform into Sephiroth.

3. Lol, Kratos has no attacks on Omnislash V. 5? The Blade of Olympus pisses on it.

Originally posted by Terryc250
See, this is where YOU don't understand all WEIGHT is, is FORCE of the gravitational pull,(in actual physics, half of FORCE is the acceleration speed) now heres the common logic part, a powerful energy force that can travel continents in seconds (speed) destroying everything in its path, in theory; that is similar to a explosion blast. ( going by your logic " if the object is just energy you cant prove its weight, it has no density." then an explosion blast would be easy to contain right? But we all know thats false.)

No, but we can use our imagination, never has any character in fiction ever held a big explosion with ease with TK, you can think of TK as bringing up a wall, the power of the TK depends on how powerful that wall is, normally an explosion would shatter any wall unless that wall is powerful enough.

No you dont understand, there is zero friction and when the TK hits it, zero force or movement, TK isnt a wall, what are you talking about, this is where YOU go wrong. Its a ball of energy traveling at speeds and suddenly it is stopped moving basically, nothing says here whether its hard to stop, especially since no one else does it, or tries to do it. An explosion blast is unkown to contain, we dont know thats false at all? wtf you talking about, we dont have TK or special fields, we have nothing to even attempt to contain an explosion, we can only use other physical objects of varying density.

Im not speculating with Kratos' god form but peak Sephiroth feats should allow him to take Kratos

Although Kratos has defeated God's, you gotta put in to perspective how powerful those gods were, yeah strong but nothing obsenely powerful. In additino his slaying of Ares wasnt under his own power, wasnt it Pandora's box?

His beating of Zeus WAS his own power and skill though.

And the Blade of Olympus pisses on Seph in terms of power.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. I'll just answer Terry on this subject. He can create a barrier, true, but as he was a SOLDIER at that time, he clearly had materia, and there is materia used to make barriers. Also, there is no proof that barrier was as strong as the one that tanked the canon.

2. Okay. I will rephrase this. A body made from Jenova. O RLY? Then wtf was Kadaj even there for if he can regen from just a friggin head? Also, if he has t3h super regen, why has he NEVER healed from a single wound in battle? What can Kratos do to harm him? Well in a physical fight overpower him and rip in half for one, and let's not forget Kratos' versatility advantage, he can turn Seph to stone in a flash and shatter Seph. Regen from that. Sure, the cells were needed to bring him back, but so was Kadaj, or at least one of the SHM, because if he did not, he should have been able to regen from just the head, but could not. If he did not transform...Then why the hell did we clearly see him do it? We saw Kadaj transform into Sephiroth.

3. Lol, Kratos has no attacks on Omnislash V. 5? The Blade of Olympus pisses on it.

If you dont address materia as his own power, thats like regarding his sword as a foreign power as well but even so thats ok. He does use materia when he uses Wall in his Seraph/Safer Sephiroth form, which is techniqually the only version of him thats actually his physical person minus CC which you seem to count his powers from materia.

All of the in game feats are actually Jenova taking the appearance of Sephiroth and before you go off on how its not Sephiroth, he has excerted his will over Jenova and she has embraced him as her actual "son" as expressed in the translation of the new One Winged Angel. All of his in game appearance feats are resonable to attribute to himself, even if it was a Jenova replication, those of which would include intangibility (as seen on right before Jenova Birth fight and Ancients temple before Red Dragon), Flight (Through out the game, Crisis Core, Advent Children), Teleportation (Ancients temple), Telekenesis (Advent Children on the buildings, and right before the final fight in the original game on the entire party), mind manipulation/control/invasion/ telepathy (Cloud multiple times in the game), Astral Projection (multiple times in game, mainly Ancients temple to monitor what the party is doing), Immunity to status effects (petrification, slowing, poison, etc.)

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
If you dont address materia as his own power, thats like regarding his sword as a foreign power as well but even so thats ok. He does use materia when he uses Wall in his Seraph/Safer Sephiroth form, which is techniqually the only version of him thats actually his physical person minus CC which you seem to count his powers from materia.

All of the in game feats are actually Jenova taking the appearance of Sephiroth and before you go off on how its not Sephiroth, he has excerted his will over Jenova and she has embraced him as her actual "son" as expressed in the translation of the new One Winged Angel. All of his in game appearance feats are resonable to attribute to himself, even if it was a Jenova replication, those of which would include intangibility (as seen on right before Jenova Birth fight and Ancients temple before Red Dragon), Flight (Through out the game, Crisis Core, Advent Children), Teleportation (Ancients temple), Telekenesis (Advent Children on the buildings, and right before the final fight in the original game on the entire party), mind manipulation/control/invasion/ telepathy (Cloud multiple times in the game), Astral Projection (multiple times in game, mainly Ancients temple to monitor what the party is doing), Immunity to status effects (petrification, slowing, poison, etc.) 1. Well here is the thing, does Sephiroth have said materia in this fight? If this is AC Seph, then no, the only materia he could possibly have is any Kadaj did. Seph in CC was a SOLDIER, who typically use materia.

2. But here is the thing, we have never seen any being who was actually Sephiroth use intangibility(which was also never used in battle btw). Flying, teleportation, TK, and TP he HAS shown to be able to use, as in Seph himself has. Regeneration is just bullshit though, if Seph had any kinda friggin healing factor, he wouldn't have had the shit kicked out of him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you dont understand, there is zero friction and when the TK hits it, zero force or movement, TK isnt a wall, what are you talking about, this is where YOU go wrong. Its a ball of energy traveling at speeds and suddenly it is stopped moving basically, nothing says here whether its hard to stop, especially since no one else does it, or tries to do it. An explosion blast is unkown to contain, we dont know thats false at all? wtf you talking about, we dont have TK or special fields, we have nothing to even attempt to contain an explosion, we can only use other physical objects of varying density.
You dont need "friction" you just need a power force pushing against it, TK is breakable depending on how powerful the user is, you're talking like Holy is some harmless thing, no its a powerful energy, that was stated could destroy everything on the planet, so there you have a powerful force that can destroy/disintegrate everything in its path, and we see it travelling continents in seconds, so there we have speed, common logic; poweful force(enough to destroy everything no the planet) + powerful speed (fast enough to travel continents in seconds) = hard to hold.

If we go by your theory, hell, a nuclear explosion should be easily contained with TK, but obviously common logic tells us its not.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Well here is the thing, does Sephiroth have said materia in this fight? If this is AC Seph, then no, the only materia he could possibly have is any Kadaj did. Seph in CC was a SOLDIER, who typically use materia.

2. But here is the thing, we have never seen any being who was actually Sephiroth use intangibility(which was also never used in battle btw). Flying, teleportation, TK, and TP he HAS shown to be able to use, as in Seph himself has. Regeneration is just bullshit though, if Seph had any kinda friggin healing factor, he wouldn't have had the shit kicked out of him.

You do know the negative lifestream grants him magic right? All materia does is aid the user into tapping magic out of the lifestream, Sephiroth has power over the negative lifestream which grants him magic.

Sephiroth does have access to all these powers and has shown he has the ability to do them, just because he didnt use it in a 10 minute fight with Cloud (in which he purposely didn't use his powers) doesnt mean he's unable to do them.

Originally posted by Terryc250
You dont need "friction" you just need a power force pushing against it, TK is breakable depending on how powerful the user is, you're talking like Holy is some harmless thing, no its a powerful energy, that was stated could destroy everything on the planet, so there you have a powerful force that can destroy/disintegrate everything in its path, and we see it travelling continents in seconds, so there we have speed, common logic; poweful force(enough to destroy everything no the planet) + powerful speed (fast enough to travel continents in seconds) = hard to hold.

If we go by your theory, hell, a nuclear explosion should be easily contained with TK, but obviously common logic tells us its not.

No nothing points to how powerful the user is, if something needs ot move, yet your just stopping it with your mind, then nothings actually pushing against it, its just being stopped, and yes it is a harmless thing when its not hitting anything. Yeh and its travelling towards nothingness yet stops because of it, it cannot have any power against simply nothing can it? no ofcourse not. So no, thats not common logic, powerful speed of a piece of popcorn would not make it harder to top if you could use TK to pluck it out of the air, and the powerful force is not excisting until it hits, otherwise its just energy since it doesnt explode when Sephiroth grabs it. So powerful energy but harmless due to it not hitting anything+an unkown weight factor due ot it being energy anyway=common logic telling us it wasnt hard to hold at all.

No, no logic tells us that, and technically thats wrong, according to my theory a nuclear explosion is not able to be measured against TK because humans dont have it, so you cant say common logic tells us its not since we dont have TK, so you dont know what your talking about here, furthermore ive already explained this, the nuclear missle itself flying towards the target is more like holy when Sephiroth takes it, and that can be stopped since like Holy its power is not expressed yet, the explosion of a nuke itself is nothing like holy when Sephiroth takes it, since Sephiroth would never be able to stop the nuclear explosion, yet we can see him stopping holy.

Originally posted by Terryc250
You do know the negative lifestream grants him magic right? All materia does is aid the user into tapping magic out of the lifestream, Sephiroth has power over the negative lifestream which grants him magic.

Sephiroth does have access to all these powers and has shown he has the ability to do them, just because he didnt use it in a 10 minute fight with Cloud (in which he purposely didn't use his powers) doesnt mean he's unable to do them.

Can you prove this? can you prove that having simply raw lifestream is the same as having Materia, you said to me once that Materia is specially made.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you prove this? can you prove that having simply raw lifestream is the same as having Materia, you said to me once that Materia is specially made.

Well he doesnt have ne materia in his Seraph/Safer Sephiroth form, and he casts magic... although he has had like 5 years exposure to the pure life stream

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Well here is the thing, does Sephiroth have said materia in this fight? If this is AC Seph, then no, the only materia he could possibly have is any Kadaj did. Seph in CC was a SOLDIER, who typically use materia.

2. But here is the thing, we have never seen any being who was actually Sephiroth use intangibility(which was also never used in battle btw). Flying, teleportation, TK, and TP he HAS shown to be able to use, as in Seph himself has. Regeneration is just bullshit though, if Seph had any kinda friggin healing factor, he wouldn't have had the shit kicked out of him.

If ur going by AC Sephiroth, then it is Jenova in taking the form of Sephiroth because Sephiroth wills jenova to do so. Going by that sinces its techniqually Jenova, all of the Jenova Sephiroth feats apply. If your going by Crisis core, he gets materia. If your going by original game form (minus Seraph/Safer an Bizzaro) then all feats of Jenova apply. Sephiroth himself at the end of the game (his actual physical person, not Jenova in the form of Sephiroth) shows shapeshifting, TK, Flying, magic, Teleportation (or possibly invisibility then turning visible).

Originally posted by Burning thought
No nothing points to how powerful the user is, if something needs ot move, yet your just stopping it with your mind, then nothings actually pushing against it, its just being stopped, and yes it is a harmless thing when its not hitting anything. Yeh and its travelling towards nothingness yet stops because of it, it cannot have any power against simply nothing can it? no ofcourse not. So no, thats not common logic, powerful speed of a piece of popcorn would not make it harder to top if you could use TK to pluck it out of the air, and the powerful force is not excisting until it hits, otherwise its just energy since it doesnt explode when Sephiroth grabs it. So powerful energy but harmless due to it not hitting anything+an unkown weight factor due ot it being energy anyway=common logic telling us it wasnt hard to hold at all.
Actually yeah, if a person has weak TK, it cannot hold something as powerful as an explosion, telekinesis CAN be broken if whatever is pushing against it is powerful enough, just like how wind can push through a wall if the wind is powerful enough, it does not need to have "density" it just needs "force". TK has been broken through by sheer force MANY times in fiction, and has shown people with different levels of power with TK from Kain who is able to only lift up human sized objects, to Jean Grey, to Mewtwo who is able to lift up many giant things.
Btw that is not "comon logic" that is you trying to make things complicated to attempt at downplaying Sephiroths feat, re-read what you're typing and you'll see thats what you are actually doing.

Travelled towards nothingness? It was summoned to stop meteor, however it was STOPPED by Sephiroth as it was stated in the game, and even in the novel, that is why at the end when finally Sephiroth was defeated it freed Holy and Holy shot out to stop meteor but was too late, and thats why it needed the lifestream.


Again, TK can infact be broken through, it has happened MANY times in fiction, all you need is a force powerful enough.

A detonated nuclear bomb explosion that would destroy an entire city would be HARD to contain with TK just as a powerful wind would break through a wall, don't give me the "well its never happened in real life so you cant know" TK has been broken through MANY MANY times in fiction, all you need is a force powerful enough



Ive said it many times before all materia does is, aid the user into tapping into the power of the lifestream, if you have power over the lifestream you don't need materia.

Thats why we see the SHM were able to summon shadow creeps without any materia, they had a little bit of control over the negative lifestream, Sephiroth has full control as he is the creator of it.

Originally posted by Terryc250
You do know the negative lifestream grants him magic right? All materia does is aid the user into tapping magic out of the lifestream, Sephiroth has power over the negative lifestream which grants him magic.

Sephiroth does have access to all these powers and has shown he has the ability to do them, just because he didnt use it in a 10 minute fight with Cloud (in which he purposely didn't use his powers) doesnt mean he's unable to do them. 1. The Negative Lifestream is corrupted Lifestream(obviously), and is different than the real thing. We don't know if it grants the same powers. Although Sephiroth doesn't really need materia compared to his powers he has shown with his blade in all honesty.

2. No, Jenova has shown the power to use them.

Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo (they have some control over the NL) used the lifestream as magic in FF7 AC movie, so there is proof right there.

Silver Haired Men were created by Sephiroth out of his Negative Lifestream, he can make things out of it, just like his sword.


Sephiroth is Jenova, all powers of Jenova and everything it is, is Sephiroth

Here is a direct quote from the UOG

"Sephiroth, the New Evolution of Jenova:

Sephiroth became the newest stage of evolution for Jenova, and anything "Jenova" does in the game's present day is simply Sephiroth invoking his new powers ("the will of Jenova as a human is the result of it channeling Sephiroth's spirit". When Sephiroth came into the picture, the minds of the two joined, and Sephiroth made himself the core of the viral entity that Jenova was, with his ambitions being fueled by its parasitic instincts and his desire to destroy all the humans he despised. Thus, his will manifested through Jenova's extensive psionic powers. "

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Okay. I will rephrase this. A body made from Jenova. O RLY? Then wtf was Kadaj even there for if he can regen from just a friggin head? Also, if he has t3h super regen, why has he NEVER healed from a single wound in battle? What can Kratos do to harm him? Well in a physical fight overpower him and rip in half for one, and let's not forget Kratos' versatility advantage, he can turn Seph to stone in a flash and shatter Seph. Regen from that. Sure, the cells were needed to bring him back, but so was Kadaj, or at least one of the SHM, because if he did not, he should have been able to regen from just the head, but could not. If he did not transform...Then why the hell did we clearly see him do it? We saw Kadaj transform into Sephiroth.

3. Lol, Kratos has no attacks on Omnislash V. 5? The Blade of Olympus pisses on it.

To regenerate his body, Sephiroth needed to have one.
This is why he created the SHM(who are part of him). To seek Jenova cells, to seek a new physical body for him.
After Kadaj drunk the cells and Sephiroth returned to life, he didn't need the SHM anymore, because they had fulfilled their purpose. After that, the only thing he really needed were the J-cells of his new body, and his Negative Lifestream.

Why he never healed from a single wound in battle? He did more than that dude. Sephiroth regenerated his entire body from a few cells in a box. After that, he didn't need to regenerate anymore, because Cloud wasn't able to harm him during the fight(with exception of Omnislash).
If Sephiroth wanted, he could let Kratos rip him apart just for fun, and then regenerates a second later.

He can turn Seph to stone? I didn't knew status-effect worked on Seph? I could swear they didn't.

And the fact Omnislash Version 5 destroyed a guy who could regenerate his whole body in a few seconds, is proof of how powerful the attack really is.
I want to see Kratos do something like that.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Ares was his only real PIS battle.

In that case you might as well call every single boss battle in every game PIS

Originally posted by Kazenji
In that case you might as well call every single boss battle in every game PIS

Why, because every character in the history of video games managed to obtain a plot-based weapon described as being the only thing capable of giving a non-God the power to kill a God? Or because this was the only final fight where Kratos was literally given extra power to level the playing field instead of actually fighting without such a power against other bosses obviously more powerful than Ares (Kratos fought Zeus on his own with and without the Blade of Olympus, and defeated the first two Sisters of Fate simultaneously)?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo (they have some control over the NL) used the lifestream as magic in FF7 AC movie, so there is proof right there.

Silver Haired Men were created by Sephiroth out of his Negative Lifestream, he can make things out of it, just like his sword.


Sephiroth is Jenova, all powers of Jenova and everything it is, is Sephiroth

Here is a direct quote from the UOG

"Sephiroth, the New Evolution of Jenova:

Sephiroth became the newest stage of evolution for Jenova, and anything "Jenova" does in the game's present day is simply Sephiroth invoking his new powers ("the will of Jenova as a human is the result of it channeling Sephiroth's spirit". When Sephiroth came into the picture, the minds of the two joined, and Sephiroth made himself the core of the viral entity that Jenova was, with his ambitions being fueled by its parasitic instincts and his desire to destroy all the humans he despised. Thus, his will manifested through Jenova's extensive psionic powers. " Is that Sephiroth in your sig?

He looks more and more like a woman in each successive game. I wonder why they make him look so feminine.

Originally posted by SHM
To regenerate his body, Sephiroth needed to have one.
This is why he created the SHM(who are part of him). To seek Jenova cells, to seek a new physical body for him.
After Kadaj drunk the cells and Sephiroth returned to life, he didn't need the SHM anymore, because they had fulfilled their purpose. After that, the only thing he really needed were the J-cells of his new body, and his Negative Lifestream.

Why he never healed from a single wound in battle? He did more than that dude. Sephiroth regenerated his entire body from a few cells in a box. After that, he didn't need to regenerate anymore, because Cloud wasn't able to harm him during the fight(with exception of Omnislash).
If Sephiroth wanted, he could let Kratos rip him apart just for fun, and then regenerates a second later.

He can turn Seph to stone? I didn't knew status-effect worked on Seph? I could swear they didn't.

And the fact Omnislash Version 5 destroyed a guy who could regenerate his whole body in a few seconds, is proof of how powerful the attack really is.
I want to see Kratos do something like that. 1. Right, so he needed Kadaj to drink the cells and Kadaj became Sephiroth. Like what happened in the movie.

2. Nope, Kadaj drank some cells in a box which made Kadaj Sephiroth. Hell, on-board the airship, they were even saying that Kadaj was the chrysalis who would BECOME Sephiroth. Sephiroth has never healed from any wound.

3. Gameplay first of all, but I will concede this, he can also just use his many lightning attacks, Seph is not faster than lightning.

4. O RLY? Kadaj transformed into Sephiroth, he didn't regen from some cells in a box, canon supports this.

The Blade of Olympus, which has only gotten stronger since Kratos obtained it, in one blow defeated the Titans(whose bodies are supposed to be indestructible) and ended the Great Titan War. Kratos defeated Zeus while he was wielding the Blade of Olympus and stole it.

Oh, and before you freak out and say I'm just a Sephiroth hater who wants him to lose, I actually like Sephiroth. I just don't ride his boloni-pony.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Or because this was the only final fight where Kratos was literally given extra power to level the playing field instead of actually fighting without such a power against other bosses obviously more powerful than Ares (Kratos fought Zeus on his own with and without the Blade of Olympus, and defeated the first two Sisters of Fate simultaneously)?

Exactly that !!

Seriously kratos was taught to fight brutal since an early age and top it off in GOW1 he finds out he needs pandora's box to beat a god and what has Ares fought......probably just the titans most likey

so all up yes it was possibly for him to beat Ares and it was'nt PIS and if you still call it PIS then him ploughing through all of Ares's army(Minotaurs, undead soldiers, cyclops's) back in athens must also be PIS and not to mention back then he was still a mortal .

Originally posted by Kazenji
Exactly that !!

Seriously kratos was taught to fight brutal since an early age and top it off in GOW1 he finds out he needs pandora's box to beat a god and what has Ares fought......probably just the titans most likey

so all up yes it was possibly for him to beat Ares and it was'nt PIS and if you still call it PIS then him ploughing through all of Ares's army(Minotaurs, undead soldiers, cyclops's) back in athens must also be PIS and not to mention back then he was still a mortal .

The fact is that he didn't have Pandora's Box when he fought Ares' armies, or the legions of Hades, he wasn't boosting himself with any particular extra power, and they weren't invulnerable to anything besides another Godly power--the only thing that's killed a God of War God is just that. Kratos was given so many advantages in his fight with Ares that he wasn't given aginast the likes of Zeus, that it shows he was either that much more powerful as of God of War II, or was held back by the Gods in God of War I. If his fight with Ares wasn't PIS, nothing was.

PIS? wut that stand for? anyways, kratos takes this, and even tho he need pandoras box to beat ares, that still puts him at a disadvantage, because ares still has stronger powers thatn kratos does. all pandoras box did was give kratos a small chance to win, as of before he had no chance. and even with a small chance, kratos still won, and still pwned. kratos takes this fight easy.

PIS means Plot Induced Stupidity.

Good fight, but Sephiroth would use Sin Harvest Angel, the end.

Wait.... You think THIS is a good fight, but you think he slaughters Pyron?

Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
Wait.... You think THIS is a good fight, but you think he slaughters Pyron? I know, the hilarity of his noobishness hurts. haermm

This is no good fight, Kratos takes this fight quite easily.

Yeah. He can destroy worldsI will admit that but he is no match for Sephiroth, but maybe Kratos.

He destroys galaxies, you bloody christmas tree ermm He could throw the moon on Earth from far away. That way staying out of Sephiroth's range and still killing them all.

Sephiroth can destroy planets as well.

Yeah yeah yeah, I have heard it before. While he uses abilities, Pyron destroy planets by stumbling over them or playing bowling in the galaxy. I do not care how many planets Sephiroth would destroy in the future, he is not in the same league as Pyron.

Pyron EATS planets.

In his most recent appearance, he had devoured countless galaxies.

So Pyron is galaxies strong.

Seph will NEVER be able to fight that.

In your dreams Pyron could beat Sephiroth. This is the real world.

Actually, it is the fictional world. And in this fictional world, Sephiroth has nothing against Pyron.

Originally posted by Wil7
In your dreams Pyron could beat Sephiroth. This is the real world. If you think that prove he can in the thread I made.

srry kratos, but pyron pwns too badly.... i mean he EATS GALAXIES. thats just too much to mess with. anyways kratos takes this in a stomp.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Right, so he needed Kadaj to drink the cells and Kadaj became Sephiroth. Like what happened in the movie.

2. Nope, Kadaj drank some cells in a box which made Kadaj Sephiroth. Hell, on-board the airship, they were even saying that Kadaj was the chrysalis who would BECOME Sephiroth. Sephiroth has never healed from any wound.

3. Gameplay first of all, but I will concede this, he can also just use his many lightning attacks, Seph is not faster than lightning.

4. O RLY? Kadaj transformed into Sephiroth, he didn't regen from some cells in a box, canon supports this.

The Blade of Olympus, which has only gotten stronger since Kratos obtained it, in one blow defeated the Titans(whose bodies are supposed to be indestructible) and ended the Great Titan War. Kratos defeated Zeus while he was wielding the Blade of Olympus and stole it.

Oh, and before you freak out and say I'm just a Sephiroth hater who wants him to lose, I actually like Sephiroth. I just don't ride his boloni-pony.

LOL

You are basically ignoring everything I say, and repeating the same thing over and over again.

And what is really funny, is that you are helping my argument.
If Sephiroth possesed Kadaj's body(a body 100% made of Negative Lifestream) as you said, that means his regeneration would be even better than if he was using the cells.
Because his entire body would be made of spirit energy, and under his complete control(he have total control over the NL). He could regenerate in seconds, exactly like Omega Weapon(another being formed 100% of Lifestream) could do, and did, in DoC.

A body composed of J-cells, or a body composed of Negative Lifestream. One way or another, he can regenerate in seconds.

You lost.

Originally posted by SHM
LOL

You are basically ignoring everything I say, and repeating the same thing over and over again.

And what is really funny, is that you are helping my argument.
If Sephiroth possesed Kadaj's body(a body 100% made of Negative Lifestream) as you said, that means his regeneration would be even better than if he was using the cells.
Because his entire body would be made of spirit energy, and under his complete control(he have total control over the NL). He could regenerate in seconds, exactly like Omega Weapon(another being formed 100% of Lifestream) could do, and did, in DoC.

A body composed of J-cells, or a body composed of Negative Lifestream. One way or another, he can regenerate in seconds.

You lost. You're an idiot.

Kadaj TRANSFORMED into Sephiroth.

Sephiroth needed Kadaj to come back, he can't do it at a whim, if he killed, he wouldn't have been permabanned by the Omnislash V. 5.

Kratos holds most possibly advantages over Sephiroth, let's just say you are right and Sephiroth can regen from anything.

Kratos can still just kill Lucretia in the past ftw.

Beat that.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
You're an idiot.

Kadaj TRANSFORMED into Sephiroth.

Sephiroth needed Kadaj to come back, he can't do it at a whim, if he killed, he wouldn't have been permabanned by the Omnislash V. 5.

Kratos holds most possibly advantages over Sephiroth, let's just say you are right and Sephiroth can regen from anything.

Kratos can still just kill Lucretia in the past ftw.

Beat that.
Indeed. Kratos murders sephiroth, and just for the fun of it kills him by decapitating him and keeps his head.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
You're an idiot.

Kadaj TRANSFORMED into Sephiroth.

Sephiroth needed Kadaj to come back, he can't do it at a whim, if he killed, he wouldn't have been permabanned by the Omnislash V. 5.

Kratos holds most possibly advantages over Sephiroth, let's just say you are right and Sephiroth can regen from anything.

Kratos can still just kill Lucretia in the past ftw.

Beat that. ...Was I like, drunk or tired when I wrote that?

Cause my grammar and spelling sucked in that post...