Is the mind an epiphenomenon ? It is... is mind a side-effect of physical causality ?

Is the mind an ephiphenomenon ?

Is the mind just a consequence, a secondary effect, a sympton of the physical causality, or the mind is independent of physical causality, existing freely only by itself ?

An epiphenomenon is a secondary phenomenon that occurs alongside a primary phenomenon.

In philosophy of mind, epiphenomenalism is the view that mental phenomena are caused by physical phenomena, and cannot cause anything themselves.

I dont care. I just do my best and thats all anyone can do.

I've been thinking, about destiny, about predestination, like if time were to roll back and then start again, with no change, would EVERYTHING happen exactly the same? Or are there variables, things that are trully impredictable?
Like if we think chemically everything at an atomic level should follow the same pattern and path, and the brain is also made out of chemical matter, so it should follow the same path every time, so theoretically everything is predictable.

Sorry for going off topic but your question got me thinking.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont care. I just do my best and thats all anyone can do.

No, no, see, if the mind is an epiphenomenon then no one can do their best....

I believe the mind is way seperate from the body.....Only it does affect the body and body can use it, but in essence the mind is bigger.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Is the mind an ephiphenomenon ?

Is the mind just a consequence, a secondary effect, a sympton of the physical causality, or the mind is independent of physical causality, existing freely only by itself ?

An epiphenomenon is a secondary phenomenon that occurs alongside a primary phenomenon.

In philosophy of mind, epiphenomenalism is the view that mental phenomena are caused by physical phenomena, and cannot cause anything themselves.

The "mind" does not exist. There is absolutely no evidence of it, there is more evidence to the existence of God than there is to the "mind." Thinking is not something that occurs outside the physiology of the person, it is the activity of the brains physiology. Thinking and such is not evidence in any way shape or form of a "mind." "Mind" concept is a religion, that requires faith and belief, because there is nothing else to the concept.

have you ever been running for miles and your legs are going but you cannot feel them. Thats what i can understand from this thread

Originally posted by FoxMeister
have you ever been running for miles and your legs are going but you cannot feel them. Thats what i can understand from this thread

Sad.

The body cannot live without the mind.

I think the mind is a independent phenomenon. Physical existence needs the concept of mind to explain its own existence.

I mean, we can only say that the physical world exists because we are aware of it(through our minds). Evidence depends on the awareness of the mind.

Originally posted by Regret
The "mind" does not exist. There is absolutely no evidence of it, there is more evidence to the existence of God than there is to the "mind." Thinking is not something that occurs outside the physiology of the person, it is the activity of the brains physiology. Thinking and such is not evidence in any way shape or form of a "mind." "Mind" concept is a religion, that requires faith and belief, because there is nothing else to the concept.

Some would argue that the activity of the physiology of the brain is the mind, and therefore, an epiphenomenon.

Originally posted by ohhellodear
The body cannot live without the mind.

How do you explain people who are comatose?

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I think the mind is a independent phenomenon. Physical existence needs the concept of mind to explain its own existence.

I mean, we can only say that the physical world exists because we are aware of it(through our minds). Evidence depends on the awareness of the mind.

If the mind exists independently of the body, then explain how do the mind and the body relate to one another.

I think Therefore, ... I am.
We can only prove that our mind is real b/c we think....everything else could simply be a figment of our imagination.
Do you ever think that you are in a coma and this could simply be a dream world... If so I i might not even be typing this right now but simply thinking it...
Sorry, kinda off topic

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Some would argue that the activity of the physiology of the brain is the mind, and therefore, an epiphenomenon.

Originally posted by Regret
Thus the physiological activity is the phenomena often mislabeled as mind, not an epiphenomenon. Thinking and mind are the perception of physiological activity, there is no separate phenomena.

I see. Even if we presume that the physiological activity in question is the mind, it is still the primary phenomenon of physical causality, and therefore, not an epiphenomenon.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I see. Even if we presume that the physiological activity in question is the mind, it is still the primary phenomenon of physical causality, and therefore, not an epiphenomenon.

In QM, physical existence is described as a collapsed wave of probability, and this collapse requires consciousness. This means that physical existence requires consciousness. Because of this, consciousness cannot be derived from physical existence/causality since it needs consciousness to exist.

For example: In QM the brain is described as a wave of probability, but for the brain to be real that wave needs to collapse. You will need consciousness to collapse the wavefunction of the brain. The brain cannot be producing consciousness to make its own collapse if it does not exist before the collapse.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
In QM, physical existence is described as a collapsed wave of probability, and this collapse requires consciousness. This means that physical existence requires consciousness. Because of this, consciousness cannot be derived from physical existence/causality since it needs consciousness to exist.

For example: In QM the brain is described as a wave of probability, but for the brain to be real that wave needs to collapse. You will need consciousness to collapse the wavefunction of the brain. The brain cannot be producing consciousness to make its own collapse if it does not exist before the collapse.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I think the mind is a independent phenomenon. Physical existence needs the concept of mind to explain its own existence.

I mean, we can only say that the physical world exists because we are aware of it(through our minds). Evidence depends on the awareness of the mind.