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Instead of Mace and friends walking into Palp's office, these 4 do, most are better than Mace's Posse, but not one matches him, who wins who dies?(No Anakin Limb cutting action, and it's ROTS Obi-Wan)

Hey! I've got one!

How bout:

Anakin, Dooku, Ragnos, Exar Kun, Sidious, Luke, Mace vs. Kit Fisto!

lolz, Kit Fisto pwnz.
Anyways, Sidious has this.

Sidious has this? He's an excellent swordsman but since when can he hold off the likes of Obiwan and Qui-Gon with his single blade? And then you have 2 more. I'd say the 4 take it if they don't slice each other up first.

Well he was able to take out Kit, Saesee and Agen in like 3 seconds, while Mace was there. He'd be able to do the same to Vos, Jinn and Aayla, 10 seconds max. Then it's just Obi-Wan, who he pwns.

It's Qui-Gon in this.. And this isn't the movie where he uses his element of surprise as an advantage. Unless he's Yoda and can jump around everybody, sooner or later he's going to get slashed. He's good but he's not THAT good.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's Qui-Gon in this..

And? I'd rate Kit Fisto above Qui-Gon any day.



I didn't realise you set the parameters for this fight.



Right... So only Yoda would be able to pull this off?



No. He is THAT good.

Kit, Saesse, and Agen.

to...

Quinlan, Qui-Gon, and Aayla.

Quinlan is better than all three of them individually. I would say Agen and Aayla are about the same. Qui-Gon is better than Saesse.

Qui-Gon > Saesse
Aayla = Agen
Quinlan > Kit Fisto

Mace > Obi-Wan

Anyway. Vos, Aayla, and Qui-Gon would be able to use their Ataru together. And there's also Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I would say Sidious gets rid of Qui-Gon as quickly as he did to Kit. Then it would two skilled Ataru users and a master of Soresu.

I am not so sure. I would say Sidious MIGHT win but there's a pretty good chance that he could get killed.

Sidious fights them and kills Aayla pretty soon, then he lets them make the duel go into the other room with the window, where he uses the Force to chuck Kenobi at the window with so much Force that the window breaks and Kenobi falls to his death. While doing that, though, Quinlan manages to kick Palpatine in the face, Palpatine staggers and falls , the duo come at him, he lets go of his saber with onhe hand and shoots lightning at them, Quinlan is to eager to finish off the Sith that he had been hunting for so long, gets cocks and gets zapped, flies back towards the Chalcellor's office. Qui-Gon blocks the lightning. I'm not really sure how it'd go from here as Sidious is on the ground and Quinlan wil be back in about 20-30 seconds.

huh, QGJ is one of the top Jedi there is. He's way underrated. Did Fisto learn how to become one with the force? No. Which era QGJ is this? Cause Maul was holding off OB1 and QGJ, no reason to say Sidious cant do the same.

Sidious gets rid of QGJ as fast as he does Kit. He then faces the three for a little while before killing Aayla off. Now like darthsith19 mentioned before, Sids would be in the Window room. So he's facing Obi-Wan and Quinlan. I believe they will work for a little while before Sidious somehow gets rid of Obi and then finally kills Quinlan. However, Sidious could get killed.

no way QGJ wopuld be the first one dead....Aalya goes down as fast as she did on me last night. haha, in my blue womaned dreams!

QGJ or Aayla go down first

In this order, Aayla, Qui-Gon and Quinlan all go down in about ten seconds tops, and then Sidious goes on to pwn Obi-Wan, with or without the force.

No way, Aayla and Kenobi go first, kenobi goes quiokly the same way he went quickly when he and Anakin dueled Dooku, cause Obi-Wan has weak offensive skills and would just get pwnd with the Force. Qui-Gon and Quinlan would definately be last, and it's debatable whether they could take Sidious or not.

Originally posted by darthsith19
No way, Aayla and Kenobi go first, kenobi goes quiokly the same way he went quickly when he and Anakin dueled Dooku, cause Obi-Wan has weak offensive skills and would just get pwnd with the Force. Qui-Gon and Quinlan would definately be last, and it's debatable whether they could take Sidious or not. why would obi go down because of his weak offensive skills hed probly be defending the whole time with a couple of attacks.

The same reason he went down quick with Dooku - cause he'd be forced to use offense to try and mesh with the others and his offensive skills are likely the weakest out of the 4 of these Jedi (not far behind Aayla's, though).

yea, sidious has this one too. id say the biggest challenge would be Qui Gon, and thts just in force abilities. Bring in the others and it makes a good fight, but Sidious still wins.

How is Qui-Gon the biggest threat? Obi-Wan is the biggest since he's the strongest swordsmen. Quinlan is also better than Qui-Gon. Aayla is worse however.

of course they couldve won, one jedi alone (mace windu) almost defeated him and would have if anakin didnt intervene so im sure 4 jedi who dont stand there like idiots like mace's group wouldve surely defeated him.
sidious could probably only hold off two of them at a time leaving him open for attack from the other 2 jedi

It depends. Sidious was too fast for Kolar and Saessee to react. And Fisto died after like 30 seconds. However, I'm sure Obi's Posse is faster than that.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
It depends. Sidious was too fast for Kolar and Saessee to react. And Fisto died after like 30 seconds. However, I'm sure Obi's Posse is faster than that.

yea i agree the jedi masters were probably to sure of them selves.
anakin even told mace's group to straight up kill him but instead tehy walked in there and told him he was under arrest.
i doubt a sith lord is just gonna give up without a fight.
they shouldve been expecting sidiuos to strike at them

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
How is Qui-Gon the biggest threat? Obi-Wan is the biggest since he's the strongest swordsmen. Quinlan is also better than Qui-Gon. Aayla is worse however.
Kenobi would get pwnd Sidious just as he was pwnd by Dooku. Aayla clearly doesn't match either Qui-Gon or Quinlan in skill. That makes either Qui-Gon or Quinlan the biggest threat. Now, Qui-Gon vs. Quinlan would be debatable (I'd actually say Quinlan is superior but only by a hair) but eitehr way it's close. But I think Qui-Gon would pose more of a threat to Sidious since Quinlan might use his anger and that might cause him not to think clearly and make a mistake. Qui-Gon wouldn't use anger and would stay clear-minded.

More like seven seconds.

When was this?

Originally posted by darthsith19
When was this?

He didn't tell Mace to "straight up kill him". He just said that Palpatine is "very powerful" and that Mace will "need me" there. Which, more or less, seemed to be true.

Regardless, Palpatine takes this.

Obi-Wan was only able to handle Count Dooku because of Anakin. The moment that Dooku separated them, and used the Force, Obi-Wan was done. Knocked unconscious and pinned to the floor.

Obi-Wan and Anakin were two of the greatest duelists in the Order. In lightsaber ability, Anakin is better than Dooku, and on par with Mace, Yoda, and Palpatine. And, still, Dooku was able to hold his own against them both (the reason being: without Obi-Wan, Anakin tapped into his rage and was unrestrained by his mentor - giving him the power to crush Dooku). Let's not forget, too, that Anakin and Obi-Wan were an extremely formidable team - complementing eachother's weaknesses and magnifying their strength.

Different fight, true. But, now, you have Obi-Wan - who is proficient in ability, true, but really only in defensive capabilities. He'd be able to keep Palpatine busy in a saber-to-saber confrontation, but Sidious is simply miles ahead of these three in Force abilities.

Palpatine will kill Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon was manhandled by Maul, who was also fighting Kenobi. He will die very easily as well, and which means Quinlan meets an ugly demise.

Palpatine takes this. Obi-Wan may cause a bit of trouble (I doubt it, though), and then he simply slaughters the other two.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
Well he was able to take out Kit, Saesee and Agen in like 3 seconds, while Mace was there. He'd be able to do the same to Vos, Jinn and Aayla, 10 seconds max. Then it's just Obi-Wan, who he pwns.

Sidious does win, obviously.

Its a harder fight for him though.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Shaak Ti state that Kit, Agen, Saesee and Mace were the BEST of the order?

If so, and if even the best could not defeat Palpatine, I do not see how QGJ and crew would be able to last any longer against the sith lord than they did, let alone be able to defeat him.

They were the best in those who were available in the Temple. Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee are not close to the best, there are several Jedi more powerful. Including Quinlan Vos, Luminara Unduli, Depa Billaba, Plo Koon, Cin Drallig, and some others.

Actually, that's about it besides Mundi and Shaak Ti might be stronger than some of the 3, Kenobi, Skywalker, Yoda (of course) and that one green Jedi in the comic Star Wars Republic: Into the Unknown. And who cares what Shaak Ti says, anyways, Lucas says "Mace brought the "B" team." and nothing can contradict that except anotehr quote from Lucas.

if they were all equal as being the best in the order, then they would all have virtually put up the same degree of a fight, and as i recall, Mace lasted longer than the others, and then Yoda lasted even longer(only cause Anakin saved Palps, but whatever.) the best were Yoda, Mace, Slywalker, Kenobi, Ki, and Plo. Not in that order mind you. That obviously wasn't the A team, as lucas himself stated.

Best is Yoda, Mace, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Cin, Plo (in that order, of course)

Originally posted by Escape81
He didn't tell Mace to "straight up kill him". He just said that Palpatine is "very powerful" and that Mace will "need me" there. Which, more or less, seemed to be true.

Regardless, Palpatine takes this.

Obi-Wan was only able to handle Count Dooku because of Anakin. The moment that Dooku separated them, and used the Force, Obi-Wan was done. Knocked unconscious and pinned to the floor.

Obi-Wan and Anakin were two of the greatest duelists in the Order. In lightsaber ability, Anakin is better than Dooku, and on par with Mace, Yoda, and Palpatine. And, still, Dooku was able to hold his own against them both (the reason being: without Obi-Wan, Anakin tapped into his rage and was unrestrained by his mentor - giving him the power to crush Dooku). Let's not forget, too, that Anakin and Obi-Wan were an extremely formidable team - complementing eachother's weaknesses and magnifying their strength.

Different fight, true. But, now, you have Obi-Wan - who is proficient in ability, true, but really only in defensive capabilities. He'd be able to keep Palpatine busy in a saber-to-saber confrontation, but Sidious is simply miles ahead of these three in Force abilities.

Palpatine will kill Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon was manhandled by Maul, who was also fighting Kenobi. He will die very easily as well, and which means Quinlan meets an ugly demise.

Palpatine takes this. Obi-Wan may cause a bit of trouble (I doubt it, though), and then he simply slaughters the other two.

I think this is pretty close to 100% accurate.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Best is Yoda, Mace, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Cin, Plo (in that order, of course)

Although I'm not sure about Plo, in terms of overall skill this list seems good.

In terms of Saber Ability I'd say:

>Dooku>>Plo/ Everyone else.

In terms of saber ability, by ROTS, I'd say it's Yoda, Mace, Skywalker, Kenobi, Luminara, Cin Drallig, Kit Fisto, Quinlan Vos.

Well, Plo's slightly above FP Qui-Gon, who's slightly above TPM Qui-Gon and I'd say TPM Qui-Gon is stronger than all ROTS Jedi save the onnes I mentioned + Luminara and Quinlan, so.

There's a thread I made called the The Top Ten Jedi During the Clone Wars. Read if it and see if you can find a list you like. My list was:

1.) Yoda
2.) Mace
3.) Anakin
4.) Obi-Wan
5.) Cin Dralig
6.) Depa Billaba
7.) Plo Koon
8.) Luminara Unduli
9.) Quinlan Vos
10.) Kit Fisto
Honorable Mentions: Shaak Ti, Agen Kolar, Saesse Tiin, Jai Maruk, the green guy in Star Wars Republic: Into the Unknown, Ki-Adi Mundi, Tholme, etc.

Here's mine:
1. Yoda.
2. Mace Windu.
3. Anakin Skywalker.
4. Depa Billaba.
5. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
6. Luminara Unduli.
7. Kit Fisto.
8. Quinlan Vos.
9. Cin Drallig.
10. Plo Koon.

Those who just missed it: Tholme, Shaak Ti, Tsui Choi, maybe a few others.

You honestly believe Depa > Obi-Wan???

Mace said that Depa rivals - and possibly exceeds - himself in sheer swordsmanship. That's easily more than enough to put her above Obi-Wan.

And, Medvock, it was a producer saying "Mace brought the B-Team", noticing how quick and easily Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto died. Lucas's response was simply that Palpatine is just so much better than them - and you have to be either Mace or Yoda to rival Palpatine in power.

Mace said she apparently exceed him in sheer swordsmanship, which is not true at all. Obi-Wan rivals Mace as well, as he is close to Anakin and Anakin is on par with Windu. I highly doubt Depa's Vapaad is greater than Kenobi's Soresu. In addition, Mace seemed to fight Depa comfortably in Shatterpoint.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Mace said she apparently exceed him in sheer swordsmanship, which is not true at all. Obi-Wan rivals Mace as well, as he is close to Anakin and Anakin is on par with Windu. I highly doubt Depa's Vapaad is greater than Kenobi's Soresu. In addition, Mace seemed to fight Depa comfortably in Shatterpoint.

I'll re-read Shatterpoint, sometime soon. We'll continue the argument, then.

Oh, and please. Count Dooku is a little less than Mace, and he annihilated Obi-Wan in a fight. Don't presume to state that Obi-Wan rivals Mace in anything.

Originally posted by Escape81
Mace said that Depa rivals - and possibly exceeds - himself in sheer swordsmanship. That's easily more than enough to put her above Obi-Wan.

And, Medvock, it was a producer saying "Mace brought the B-Team", noticing how quick and easily Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto died. Lucas's response was simply that Palpatine is just so much better than them - and you have to be either Mace or Yoda to rival Palpatine in power.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Sidious made the best jedi spread out across the galaxy so if he was ever compromised, he wouldn't be facing the order's greatest? Great contingency plan if you ask me.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Did it ever occur to anyone that Sidious made the best jedi spread out across the galaxy so if he was ever compromised, he wouldn't be facing the order's greatest? Great contingency plan if you ask me.

The war itself was used to thin the Jedi's ranks. He wouldn't dare send the Clone Army after an organized Jedi Order of 10,000 strong. He used the Confederacy's conflict with the Republic to slowly begin to kill off the Jedi - and Order 66 was the final swoop - now that the Jedi were VASTLY outnumbered, and spread thin.

I doubt he really intended to fight any of them, himself. Not until Anakin told the Council. Then he prepared to fight.

Originally posted by Escape81
The war itself was used to thin the Jedi's ranks. He wouldn't dare send the Clone Army after an organized Jedi Order of 10,000 strong. He used the Confederacy's conflict with the Republic to slowly begin to kill off the Jedi - and Order 66 was the final swoop - now that the Jedi were VASTLY outnumbered, and spread thin.

I doubt he really intended to fight any of them, himself. Not until Anakin told the Council. Then he prepared to fight.


I suppose but it made more sense to me that he sent out the most powerful Jedi on the council around the galaxy. Mace was the only one left..

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Did it ever occur to anyone that Sidious made the best jedi spread out across the galaxy so if he was ever compromised, he wouldn't be facing the order's greatest? Great contingency plan if you ask me.

thats what i said in my last post. That and the jedi that were there, were likely to be the best ones still there.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Instead of Mace and friends walking into Palp's office, these 4 do, most are better than Mace's Posse, but not one matches him, who wins who dies?(No Anakin Limb cutting action, and it's ROTS Obi-Wan)

Since when does Aayla outclass any of them? And Quinlan is probably equal to one of those three. Qui-Gon's good, and probably about the same level as any of them. Obi-Wan is undoubtedly better than all of them, except for Mace.

1. Mace Windu.
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
3. Kit Fisto.
4. Quinlan Vos.
5. Qui-Gon Jinn.
6. Saesee Tinn.
7. Agen Kolar.
8. Aayla Secura.

Are you ranking them according to their lightsaber skill?

Yes.

Cool

Unless you have a ridiculous amount of overwhelming lesser characters, you need a powerhouse to contend with Sidious. Qui Gon, Quinlan, and Aayla will go down in a few more seconds than Kit, Agen, and Seasse did. They are all good, but no where near the league of Sidious. Then, Obi Wan, for all his strength, will be tossed aside by Sidious.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
1. Mace Windu.
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
3. Kit Fisto.
4. Quinlan Vos.
5. Qui-Gon Jinn.
6. Saesee Tinn.
7. Agen Kolar.
8. Aayla Secura.
Ugh, you forgot Yoda! And while I agree with most of that list, Kit's not above Quinlan or Qui-Gon, no way, Kit uses Shii-Cho, which isn't that great of a form, and he lost to Asajj just a year into the Clone Wars. Qui-Gon lasted a while against Maul, Quinlan managed to beat Sora, they both could definately beat Asajj 1 year into the CW. Also, what did Saesee do to get above Agen? Agen outdueled Quinlan when they fought (Quinlan wasn't trying to harm Agen but still, that's impressive) and the novel says he and Mace are the best duelests left on Courscant (putting him not only above Saesee and Kit, but also Anakin). Where I take what the novel says as mostly bs I still think it and him besting Quinlan together are good enough to, at the very elast, put him above Saesee. Oh, you forgot Cin, too, and Plo, and Tholme, Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi Mundi, all of whom are above Aayla Secura for sure, and maybe even above some of the others.

1.) Yoda
2.) Mace
3.) Anakin
4.) Obi-Wan
5.) Cin
6.) Depa
7.) Quinlan
8.) Agen
9.) Luminara
10.) Shaak Ti/Tholme/or Plo

lol, I was just talking about those 8. The team that faced Palpatine in the movie and the team in this thread.

And Kit Fisto, while he uses a pretty basic form, is incredible skilled, read Caestus Deception, he constantly amazes Obi-Wan with his speed, skill and grace, he is described as 'a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints,' while fighting these fugs. And in LoE, he takes out two magnaguards in seconds with two swings of his saber. And Assaj only beat him because he was tired and because she had secretly studied his form intently before facing him. I'd say by ROTS he'd most definitely take any jedi in a saber battle except Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Luminara and possibly Cin Drallig.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
lol, I was just talking about those 8. The team that faced Palpatine in the movie and the team in this thread.

And Kit Fisto, while he uses a pretty basic form, is incredible skilled, read Caestus Deception, he constantly amazes Obi-Wan with his speed, skill and grace, he is described as 'a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints,' while fighting these fugs. And in LoE, he takes out two magnaguards in seconds with two swings of his saber. And Assaj only beat him because he was tired and because she had secretly studied his form intently before facing him. I'd say by ROTS he'd most definitely take any jedi in a saber battle except Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Luminara and possibly Cin Drallig.
"living martial hurrican" is definatrely hyperbowl. I agree with why Asajj beat him but eitehr way it's close, Quinlan is like super good, he would beat that Asajj even if he was tired. Besides Kit wasn't that tired when he fought Asajj, those thugs he fought were no match for him.

"living martial hurrican" is definatrely hyperbowl. I agree with why Asajj beat him but eitehr way it's close, Quinlan is like super good, he would beat that Asajj even if he was tired. Besides Kit wasn't that tired when he fought Asajj, those thugs he fought were no match for him.

Convince me that "living martial hurricane" is hyperbole, I dare you. Nothing contradicts this statement, therefore it remains FACT. And before you go unleashing the "HE DOESN'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE COZ HE GOT PWNZ BY SIDIOUS" BS on me, remember this: HE HAD JUST COMPLETED A THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY DEGREE SPIN AND HAD HIS ARMS RAISED UP IN THE A-I-R -- MEANING HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF ATTACKING at the time. Anyways, the "unlimited vertebrae" thing is actually mentioned a fair few times in the novel. Not just that once.

And as for those thugs...

The thugs may not have been much of a match for the Jedi, but the sheer fact that Kit needed to move his body in so many ways to defeat them would have meant he must have used up some energy.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
"living martial hurrican" is definatrely hyperbowl. I agree with why Asajj beat him but eitehr way it's close, Quinlan is like super good, he would beat that Asajj even if he was tired. Besides Kit wasn't that tired when he fought Asajj, those thugs he fought were no match for him.

Convince me that "living martial hurricane" is hyperbole, I dare you. Nothing contradicts this statement, therefore it remains FACT. And before you go unleashing the "HE DOESN'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE COZ HE GOT PWNZ BY SIDIOUS" BS on me, remember this: HE HAD JUST COMPLETED A THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY DEGREE SPIN AND HAD HIS ARMS RAISED UP IN THE A-I-R -- MEANING HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF ATTACKING at the time. Anyways, the "unlimited vertebrae" thing is actually mentioned a fair few times in the novel. Not just that once.

And as for those thugs...

The thugs may not have been much of a match for the Jedi, but the sheer fact that Kit needed to move his body in so many ways to defeat them would have meant he must have used up some energy.
Medvock, you may be a huge Kit fanboy but you can't honestly believe that Kit was a living hurricane. You know how powerful hurricanes are, a hurricane would wipe out Asajj in a second, do you even know what hyperbole is? If Kit's a hurricane what the hell is Sidious? A god? Lol, that's riduculous and total hyperbole. However, convincing you that it's hyperbole may or may not be conceiveably possible, you probably won't want to believe that your precious Kit isn't storng enough to lay waste to cities. And when the f*ck did I ever mention his vertebrae, what, never, okay, that's what I thought, good to know I'm not just losing my memory. OMG, Kenobi did a 360 in ANH, he must be a hurricane, too... or maybe a tornado.


And are you saying Kit moved his body so much that he used up energy? OMG, those thugs, they were like Battle Droids in terms of power, what did Kit do to his vbody that supposedly used up so much of his energy? You do know that a hurricane would be able to wipe out all of those thugs in like 1.4 seconds, don't you, and it wouldn't get tired. Not one bit.

LOL Nice DS!

Palpatine takes this. I would almost go so far as to say with ease. He could launch a blast of his lightning to take out the weaker ones, while the others recoil. He can then proceed to massacre whoever remains.

Medvock, you may be a huge Kit fanboy but you can't honestly believe that Kit was a living hurricane. You know how powerful hurricanes are, a hurricane would wipe out Asajj in a second, do you even know what hyperbole is? If Kit's a hurricane what the hell is Sidious? A god? Lol, that's riduculous and total hyperbole. However, convincing you that it's hyperbole may or may not be conceiveably possible, you probably won't want to believe that your precious Kit isn't storng enough to lay waste to cities. And when the f*ck did I ever mention his vertebrae, what, never, okay, that's what I thought, good to know I'm not just losing my memory. OMG, Kenobi did a 360 in ANH, he must be a hurricane, too... or maybe a tornado.

It says he was a "LIVING, MARTIAL hurricane", meaning that he was what resembled, at the time, that of a hurricane that was LIVING and MARTIAL . Because his body was moving in so many ways, the author used these terms to DESCRIBE him. HE DID NOT MEAN TO ACTUALLY STATE HE WAS A HURRICANE (LOL)

When you stated that part of the quote I immediately assumed you were talking about the ENTIRE quote, and not just the part you mentioned. I apologize for assuming this was so.

And are you saying Kit moved his body so much that he used up energy? OMG, those thugs, they were like Battle Droids in terms of power, what did Kit do to his vbody that supposedly used up so much of his energy? You do know that a hurricane would be able to wipe out all of those thugs in like 1.4 seconds, don't you, and it wouldn't get tired. Not one bit.

Excuse me, Obi-Wan couldn't even friggin keep up with Kit. For him to be taking them down so fast, HE MUST HAVE USED UP SOME ENERGY. F-A-C-T.

AND STOP SAYING KIT'S A FRIGGIN HURRICANE!!! That is NOT what the author meant, he was merely using the term to DESCRIBE how he moved! Because Kit was moving and twisting his body in so many ways when defeating the thugs, the author referred to him as a "martial hurricane", because he resembled one. As stated before also, the author states he was a "living, martial hurricane". Not just a hurricane.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Medvock, you may be a huge Kit fanboy but you can't honestly believe that Kit was a living hurricane. You know how powerful hurricanes are, a hurricane would wipe out Asajj in a second, do you even know what hyperbole is? If Kit's a hurricane what the hell is Sidious? A god? Lol, that's riduculous and total hyperbole. However, convincing you that it's hyperbole may or may not be conceiveably possible, you probably won't want to believe that your precious Kit isn't storng enough to lay waste to cities. And when the f*ck did I ever mention his vertebrae, what, never, okay, that's what I thought, good to know I'm not just losing my memory. OMG, Kenobi did a 360 in ANH, he must be a hurricane, too... or maybe a tornado.


And are you saying Kit moved his body so much that he used up energy? OMG, those thugs, they were like Battle Droids in terms of power, what did Kit do to his vbody that supposedly used up so much of his energy? You do know that a hurricane would be able to wipe out all of those thugs in like 1.4 seconds, don't you, and it wouldn't get tired. Not one bit.

Dood ur liek full ov crap. Hyperbole mor elike ur full of hyperbull lololozlzozlolzor. Kit= Hurrican so he pwns evre1 even sidius cuz the moovee didnt no that kit waz a huricane and me is knowns that kit wins bye humsefl.

By the way, AOTC Kenobi is as powerful as Master Windu and as wise as Master Yoda, and, he got more powerful from AOTC to ROTS so his team crushes Sidious, especially with Kit!

Your reasoning is uncanny...

Which is why it is hyperbole, unless you are suggesting that "living martial hurricane" and "hurricane" are not the same thing, in which case I would ask for you to tell me the differences and which is stronger, and why? It was onviously hyperbole, anyone here will tell you the same, we are not trying to make Kit seem weaker than he really is. it's just the truth. Yes, the author used those words to describe him, and his descriptions were clearly hyperbole - the aithor was exaggerating, if that makes it easier for you to understand.

Kenobi was close, so what, what's your point? And if Kit was so good as to take them out that quickly you really think it took that much energy? You think Kenobi was exhausted from righting Battle Droids on the Trade Federation Battleship in the beginning of TPM? Yes, he had to have used up SOME ENERGY, you have to use energu whatever you do, even to watch tv, but it can't have been much at all, it had to have been only a very slight amount.

Your correctin saying it's not what the author meant, cause the author clearly meant it to be hyperbole, only you disagree. How is twisting his body in many ways like a hurricane at all? And how is living marital hurricane any different that hurricane, it's just referring Kit to a hurricane that's living and martial, nothing more, nothing less, and is clearly hyperbole. Period.

Seriously guys, this is way too much thinking for a simple quote.

The martial hurricane is simply a simile referring to Kit Fisto's speed and power. It's just like calling Superman
"faster than a speeding bullet". The martial hurricane is just an association with Kit. Of course, by saying Kit
Fisto was known as the martial hurricane, ergo he is better than every other Jedi besides Yoda, Mace, Anakin,
Obi-Wan, Cin, and Depa is a ridiculous assumption. By calling Kit Fisto that makes Luminara Unduli the "lady
falcon" and Quinlan Vos a "Level 5 Tornado". And it makes Yoda the Wise Photon.

Kit Fisto is good Medvock, but not THAT GOOD.

Except Superman is faster than a speeding bullet.

and you dont pull on his cape, either...






or spit in the wind.

Are you brainless? When have I said "Medvock, stop saying Kit pwns all". All I said is Kit Fisto is good, but not that good. And it's true, I dare you to argue.

What I am trying to get is that I feel there is way too much thinking on Kit Fisto is a martial hurricane. They are just relating to his strength.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Are you brainless? When have I said "Medvock, stop saying Kit pwns all". All I said is Kit Fisto is good, but not that good. And it's true, I dare you to argue.

What I am trying to get is that I feel there is way too much thinking on Kit Fisto is a martial hurricane. They are just relating to his strength.

I'm sorry, but I thought you meant that I was the one who assumed Kit was better than every other jedi besides Yoda and Mace because of the martial hurricane quote, because you ended your little post with "kit's good medvock, but not that good".

Anyway, the second part of that post wasn't even referring to you, it was referring to EVERYONE.

And I agree with the too much thinking of the quote.

Kit Fisto really is that good, there seems to be a lot of Fisto/ Fisto Fanboys/ Medvock haters here, and I can objectively say that Kit really is that good.

From the corner of his eye he saw that Kit had made his way almost to Ventress, and what he saw as the Nautolan increased his efforts almost broke Obi-Wan's concentration. His companion was a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints.

'Living martial hurricane' isn't hyperbole, it is simply a metaphor, there's a difference.
Sure, that his speed and destructive ability 'almost broke Obi-Wan's concentration' could be a slight exaggerating, but credit still needs to be given nonetheless.
That 'his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints' is not hyperbole, it is a factual statement.

We all know what the quote means. There is way too much over-analysing going on. We know who wins, so, unless you really thing this is important to the topic (It's not, seeing as how Kit was wasted by Sidious in maybe, three seconds), let's move on.

Originally posted by King Adas
Kit Fisto really is that good, there seems to be a lot of Fisto/ Fisto Fanboys/ Medvock haters here, and I can objectively say that Kit really is that good.

From the corner of his eye he saw that Kit had made his way almost to Ventress, and what he saw as the Nautolan increased his efforts almost broke Obi-Wan's concentration. His companion was a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints.

'Living martial hurricane' isn't hyperbole, it is simply a metaphor, there's a difference.
Sure, that his speed and destructive ability 'almost broke Obi-Wan's concentration' could be a slight exaggerating, but credit still needs to be given nonetheless.
That 'his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints' is not hyperbole, it is a factual statement.

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I agree.

Kit's most likely the 6th strongest jedi by ROTS, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was the best Shi-Cho practitioner ever.

Yes, Kit is good. Your arguments are convincing, but, save them for another thread. We all saw how easily Sidious took out Kit. For all his strengths, he is simply outclassed by leagues. As I've said, you need a powerhouse to take on Sidious, unless the odds are ridiculous against him, of course.

Check this out, Kit really kicks ass.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o6HzBHDKa24

Using clone wars as a reference is kind of lame. It won't help Kit here.

It's canon.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Your last two points there are simply spectacularly unimportant. Changing name would have changed little, and why mention the Sith? It's not realy important at all.

You are letting your enthusiasm get the better of you.

"Secondly, it was never explained why none of the Jedi can sense that Palpaine is a Sith?"- Yes it was. "Hard to see, the Dark Side is." All you need.

And the Jedi were clearly VERY suspicious about the Clones, but had no choice in the matter.

Your comparison with the Clone Wars cartoon is also facile. They are entirely different mediums with entirely different approaches, and aside from anything else, Clone Wars is EU and so not even in continuity.

Try to think a little more carefully before unleashing such a barrage of criticism.

no, unfortunately it is not canon.

Notice how Ushgarak considers the EU uncannon in terms of the movies.

read the canon hread. EU simply is not canon.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t20461.html

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that's not Ush's policy, its LucasFilm's as stated in the thread. I dont always agree with it, but thats the way it is.

This is an EU Forum, the policy of the forum is that the EU applies here, it's how it always has been, and how it always will be.

Well, in my opinion, I consider the EU canon but at a lesser degree than the movies and certain books. heck, more than half of SW is Eu.

Originally posted by King Adas
This is an EU Forum, the policy of the forum is that the EU applies here, it's how it always has been, and how it always will be.

EU does indeed apply. But, when it contradicts a canon source, it isn't to be used in debates. It is incorrect. The movies, novelizations, and Lucas himself reign supreme.

If he said: "Kit Fisto = the bestest Jedi duelist ever", then it would be treated as such - no matter how ridiculous the assertion may be.

I don't like some of the canon things in SW, but I accept it. I think that Lucas needs to just think before he opens his mouth, though.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
So THAT'S what it says! For SOOO long I have wanted to find out what Labby of Evil said about Kit, and now I know! THANK YOU! (No need to buy the book anymore!)

Is it possible you could write the rest of the paragraph for me? PLZ? I wanna add it to my quote section which I am going to make on my site.

(lol, I just re-read the quote again, and noticed the author mentions Kit's blade was of a "blazing blue light". IT'S GREEN YOU SILLY DILL)

And what's all this about EU not being canon? Are you people serious?

That is the actual whole paragraph, from CH47 of LoE. And you do know btw that you can just download the book from demonoid.com, right?

Originally posted by Escape81
EU does indeed apply. But, when it contradicts a canon source, it isn't to be used in debates. It is incorrect. The movies, novelizations, and Lucas himself reign supreme.

If he said: "Kit Fisto = the bestest Jedi duelist ever", then it would be treated as such - no matter how ridiculous the assertion may be.

I don't like some of the canon things in SW, but I accept it. I think that Lucas needs to just think before he opens his mouth, though.

I know this, Subject was just saying that the EU wasn't canon, period.

Originally posted by King Adas
This is an EU Forum, the policy of the forum is that the EU applies here, it's how it always has been, and how it always will be.

unless contradicted by a higher source. I know this may not be one of those instances, but if its EU then its EU, not "canon"...EU forum or not.

Plus, I didnt say "period", the whole canon thing bites me in the ass everytime I talk about Vader's speed for instance. GL made a lame ass excuse, but that's what i have to go by. Like if an EU book said that Anakin could use lightning, and nothing contradicted it, then of course i would say he could, but if a novel or something said no, then that wouldnt be canon that he oculd use lightning.

Originally posted by King Adas
That is the actual whole paragraph, from CH47 of LoE. And you do know btw that you can just download the book from demonoid.com, right?

I do now.