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In strength who is stronger? Only scan feats of strength allowed. Meaning no fights.


And please don't just say Slade is stronger without "ANY" scans.


Anyway's I'll bring the Cap scans as seen here.


First easily bending jail bars.(Without much room for leverage)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5124/advofcaptainamerica416kv8.jpg


Knocking down a thick steel door notice Cap left it looking like a pretzel.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9341/camedusaeffect049ww4.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3084/camedusaeffect050dx5.jpg

Cap ripping pure steel from a tractor as he uses it as a shield.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9625/cap339pg18rs1.jpg


Cap holding up lots of rocks and busting through. Remember the shield only absorbs impact well. It does not make weight dissapear.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3322/captainamerica36918yn4.jpg

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8762/captainamerica37001gp4.jpg

Cap holding up tons of steel and concrete.

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/484/captainamerica22817vq8.th.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2038/captainamerica22902mw2.th.jpg


A friggin Sky-scrapper crashes down on Cap as Cap holds up huge amounts.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9849/captainamericavol30925ot8.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3276/captainamericavol31003qd6.th.jpg



Enjoy.

No takers with feats?

Sorry, don't have a scanner. Thanks to Long Pig! Hands Batman his ***! TWICE If Bats is near peakhuman and Cap his is peakhuman, what does this tell you?
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4435205
2. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4435278

1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4435298

Thats a nice fight. But thats not a strength feat. Batman is peakhuman in the sense of a man in his prime.

Cap is at the maximum human level. There's a difference.

DS wife shoots him after she finds out about Jericho and DS new job. Show durability.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4435354

DS holds his own against Aquaman. A Class 50-60 Tonner(at the time).
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4435319


Again, thanks to Long Pig. More to come.

Dude read my first post. Cap also has nice durability feats and lots of fights.

This is "STRENGTH FEATS* as in lifting or breaking objects only.

Not fight feats.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thats a nice fight. But thats not a strength feat. Batman is peakhuman in the sense of a man in his prime.

Cap is at the maximum human level. There's a difference. I know, but if Batman is near peak-human and Steve is peak-human, and DS knocked Bats out(in short, kicked his ***) you could assume DS is capable of at least meybe doing the same to Rogers. Hence, these are before all of the upgrades he's has.

Actually Batman hurt Slade to the point that a regular man with his hands tied had the upperhand against Slade.

And no Batman is not at the maximum human level.

I've seen this nice tube lifting of Slade. But I think Cap still has a very small edge almost unoticeable in strength edge. But its close.

Here's the full fight if your interested.

1. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/050116000104/Deathstroke-16.jpg
2. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/050116000104/Deathstroke-
3. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/050116000104/Deathstroke-18.jpg
4. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/050116000104/Deathstroke-19.jpg
5. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/050116000104/Deathstroke-110.jpg
6. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/050116000104/Deathstroke-111.jpg

What exactly is the point of this thread? Slade isn't considered a bruiser, so of course he doesn't have much in the way of lifting feats. However it's well established that he's 10x stronger than peak human, so he IS stronger than Cap.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually Batman hurt Slade to the point that a regular man with his hands tied had the upperhand against Slade.

And no Batman is not at the maximum human level. Read again, I said "near peak-human."

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Dude read my first post. Cap also has nice durability feats and lots of fights.

This is "STRENGTH FEATS* as in lifting or breaking objects only.

Not fight feats. Man if you expect me to post as many or more scans than you can about Cap then I'v lost. DS has no where near as many apperances as Cap, I'm giving you what I have.

It took a handful of seemingly strong men and where were they going.......then Slade shows up does it with ease.....UNDERWATER!
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathstrokestrength9kq.jpg

To compare strength feats of course. Post the scan were it stated he's 10 times peakhuman.


Then post some strength feats to match. Oh and yeah post the strength feat thats states he's above Captain America peak human potential.

Because DC peak-human

is not Marvel Peak-human.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
It took a handful of seemingly strong men and where were they going.......then Slade shows up does it with ease.....UNDERWATER!
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathstrokestrength9kq.jpg
Damn it, I just pulled that off the respect thread, and was about to post it.

Some of those look like kids??

But its a nice feat. Its close, Cap's feats still look good especially the skyscrapper one.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
To compare strength feats of course. Post the scan were it stated he's 10 times peakhuman.


Then post some strength feats to match. Oh and yeah post the strength feat thats states he's above Captain America peak human potential.

Because DC peak-human

is not Marvel Peak-human.
Wait, so you'll accept a scan where it's STATED that he's 10x peak human? Well I'm sure there's some of those floating around.

Bet those fools won't try that again. Slade takes each down in one hit. Before any upgrades.
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladegunman8wq.jpg

Slade manages toget out of U know who's lasso.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5668372

These guys are in armour. He kicks the crap out of them. Before upgrade.
1. http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladedie14dz.jpg
2. http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladedie22bn.jpg
3. http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladedie34jd.jpg
4. http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladedie42mv.jpg
5. http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladedie58uw.jpg

Read my post again DC peakhuman is not Marvel Peakhuman, since Marvel's is derived by the Super-Soilder Serum to make well of course Super Soilders.

Uh Darth your not helping. Those are "FIGHT' feats.

Cap has tons of those, and I mean TONS. Again read the post this is just pure strength.

that feat alone is enough to convince me of slade's strength advantage. he straight ran with that thing while a hundred men were just walking it, and then TIED IT IN A KNOT. jeez.

Cap holding up a Sky-Scrapper.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Read my post again DC peakhuman is not Marvel Peakhuman, since Marvel's is derived by the Super-Soilder Serum to make well of course Super Soilders.
Peak human is peak human. Unless your actually suggesting that that people in Marvel are inherently more powerful than people in DC.

Wait, your not going to try to say that Cap can take Deathstroke are you? Cause I'm quite the Cap fan, but he wouldn't stand a chance in HELL against Slade.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Uh Darth your not helping. Those are "FIGHT' feats.

Cap has tons of those, and I mean TONS. Again read the post this is just pure strength.
Let me put it to you this way, by on-panel lifting feats, The Juggernaut is beaten by, oh let's see, Thing, Colossus, Hell maybe even Rogue. But we all know that's a bunch of crap now isn't it?

On the contray I'm sure if Batman took the super-soilder serum. He too would be at the maximum human level.

Point is no one is at that peak since there is no super-soilder serum in DC.

So to say the term peak human means the same thing is irrelevant. I mean for all we know there definition of peak human is just a man in his prime, which is what Batman is. The SSS is not that. It was a operation to make preternatural humans.

Sticking Woder Woman.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5668383

Hangin: Shows strength where he throws her down and withstands hits.
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5668393
2. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5668397

Crossover's may not count to you, but this is in Cap's universe.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5668420


I know this is not strength but peak human or not, can Cap do this?
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladesuperman7yh.jpg

Can Cap take this type of punishment?
http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=identitycrisis3pg102lj1pe.jpg

Kills lion w/ nothing but a knife.
http://img492.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sladelion3rm.jpg

Thanks to Long Pig!

Darth Martin this thread is not about durability or punishment or speed or fighting Lions.

Please post these in other threads, because you just staying off topic.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
On the contray I'm sure if Batman took the super-soilder serum. He too would be at the maximum human level.

Point is no one is at that peak since there is no super-soilder serum in DC.

So to say the term peak human means the same thing is irrelevant. I mean for all we know there definition of peak human is just a man in his prime, which is what Batman is. The SSS is not that. It was a operation to make preternatural humans.
So your saying that you are going to assume that DC's classification of 'Peak Human', simply means a man is his prime, so that Cap looks better than every non superstrength character in DC?

As I said before, Thing, Colossus, and probably Rogue, all have more lifting feats than Juggernaut. Are you honestly suggesting that they're stronger than he?

I kno, some of em are. But most that may not convince you, they might have a strength thing in there that convinces me IMO. U just might not agree. That is probably it for me. DS doesn't have that many, but everyone knows he's stronger and more bad***.

Thanks to Long Pig again.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So your saying that you are going to assume that DC's classification of 'Peak Human', simply means a man is his prime, so that Cap looks better than every non superstrength character in DC?

As I said before, Thing, Colossus, and probably Rogue, all have more lifting feats than Juggernaut. Are you honestly suggesting that they're stronger than he?

Cap is outclassed in every area I can think of. You can argue fighting tho.

No of course not. On the contrary that just means that something we do not "know". And there fore irrelevant.

Unless you can find a DC quote that states Peakhuman in there universe is exactly the same as Marvel's definition of Peakhuman.

Considering Peakhuman can have many meanings. Especially since there's is not peak of human potential or derived by the Super-Soilder-Serum in the DC universe. Unless you have a quote that its the same as the Marvel Universe?

Lets not forget that the level of Peak of perfection in Marvel has been defined as "Pre-ternatural".

Only if you ignore Cap's strength feats.

Cap's strength feats all are under the "Strength of 100 men" strength feat of Slade's.

What's the strength of 100 men? 10 tons or so?

Irrelevant towards characters being discussed. Plus we have seen how Juggernaut treats such characters in there battles. Or on them even admitting to Juggernaut being the stronger etc etc.

100 men could hold up a falling skyscrapper or hundreds of tons of steel and concrete?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
100 men could hold up a falling skyscrapper or hundreds of tons of steel and concrete? He isn't doing it by himself. His damn shield is even radiating energy.
Plus, it wasn't the full damn weight, of the damn skyscraper!
He just held up enough to make a little den! Stop twisting scans.
Maybe if he was doing it with his bare hands, I might take that a little serious. In the meantime, Deathstroke was able to do something that took the strength of a hundred men, with his bare hands!
Also it's pis.

Nice try but your twisting scans as well. Hundred men we see some kids lifting that thing.

The shield only absorbs impact. It doesn't make the weight magically dissapear.

Also it's pis to lift rope or tube whatever it is.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nice try but your twisting scans as well. Hundred men we see some kids lifting that thing.
Yes, we do. Lets say a bunch of kids, well I know kids smaller than that, who can lift 200 pounds. So what would be 200 x 100?
20000, which would equate into 10 tons. That's at the minimum. Either way you look at it, it was over a massive pis feat like the one you shown. It is also over a ton, which is obvious.
Deathstroke also grabbed that sucker and ran with it, like nothing, so his power would be over that. He also took it into water.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
The shield only absorbs impact. It doesn't make the weight magically dissapear. Oh, so that's why it had energy coming out the top of it, and it was disappearing?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also it's pis to lift rope or tube whatever it is. No, it's not. Cap has been shown to only lift under a ton, now your telling me that he can lift hundreds of tons????

Which is impressive but it doesn't look superior to Cap's strength feat.




Yes shield absorbs impact but it does not make weight dissapear.





When has Cap shown to only lift under a ton? So you accept 100 hundred men quotes but not Cap's quote, got it. Also the scan tell us 100 tons of concrete and steel fall. Not that Cap held all that portion up.

How does Slade's 10 ton strength feat NOT look impressive against Cap's measly 2/3 strength feats?

It's simple, Slade's stronger. And faster. And more durable.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No of course not. On the contrary that just means that something we do not "know". And there fore irrelevant.

Unless you can find a DC quote that states Peakhuman in there universe is exactly the same as Marvel's definition of Peakhuman.

Considering Peakhuman can have many meanings. Especially since there's is not peak of human potential or derived by the Super-Soilder-Serum in the DC universe. Unless you have a quote that its the same as the Marvel Universe?

Lets not forget that the level of Peak of perfection in Marvel has been defined as "Pre-ternatural".

OH...Ok. In that case, I'm now going to say that DC's version of 'Peak Human' is HIGHER than Marvel's...unless you have a direct quote that states the contrary. Just let me know when you come up with one.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Irrelevant towards characters being discussed. Plus we have seen how Juggernaut treats such characters in there battles. Or on them even admitting to Juggernaut being the stronger etc etc.
That's funny because I feel it's PARTICULARLY relevant to this battle since you said that combat showings aren't a good enough indication of strength, only lifting feats and the like. Well, by lifting feats(and thus YOUR standards), Thing, Colossus, and Rogue are all Superior to Juggernaut in strength. And Spiderman is actually close, since the only real lifting feat I've seen out of Juggs is when he tore and lifted the corner off a building, and Spiderman has supported that much weight before. Hell, the way your making Caps skyscraper feat out to be, I guess HE beats Juggs in strength too huh?

Many people have commented on Slade's Superior strength, and he has plenty of combat showings to indicate that he's far Superior to Cap(I'm pointing this out because of your reasoning behind Juggs). The thing about Slade is that while his strength is exceptional, his speed is what really kills his opponents(his speed is also Superior to Cap by the way), so that's what they emphasize.

Also, the metal cable incident CAN'T really be considered PIS, because it doesn't really go against any strength showings he has. Now that may or may not be because of his relative LACK of strength showings, but the fact remains that it's about all we have to go buy as far as lifting feats. So it's therefore valid.

As I said before, I'm a HUGE Cap fan, but DS has him completely outclassed in everything except fighting ability, which Cap is slightly ahead in. That means that there's NO WAY Cap could win in a fight. Sad, but true.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Which is impressive but it doesn't look superior to Cap's strength feat. This is like saying that a pis feat is better than a real feat.
Firelord has looked good against SS. Firelord was treated like a baby to Spiderman, so I guess, Spiderman is over SS too.
That's how pis works.




Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes shield absorbs impact but it does not make weight dissapear.
Never said it did. But it obviously wasn't his regular shield, or did you not look at the scan?
His shield was disappearing, and doing some weird shit.



Originally posted by Daredevil1
When has Cap shown to only lift under a ton? So you accept 100 hundred men quotes but not Cap's quote, got it. Also the scan tell us 100 tons of concrete and steel fall. Not that Cap held all that portion up. Better question, when has Cap shown to lift OVER a ton?
That is of course, other than your pis. Cap has gone through different showings over the years. Now your going to state Cap at 100 tons?? You can't honestly believe that, because that is what you are implying.
Deathstroke's, however don't contridict his other showings.

Why did this jagoff make a thread asking a question and then he proceeded to take every comment personally while arguing his own answer to the question he posted.

If you're already convinced, don't make threads about the issue...since you obviously can't handle another's point of view.

Originally posted by long pig
Why did this jagoff make a thread asking a question and then he proceeded to take every comment personally while arguing his own answer to the question he posted.

If you're already convinced, don't make threads about the issue...since you obviously can't handle another's point of view.
He made the thread figuring that people would have to admit that there's no proof(in the way of lifting feats) to suggest that Slade is superior to Cap. Unfortunately for him, he didn't know about the cable incident. Not to mention the fact that Slade has far better showings against 100+ characters than Cap.

You know, there are quotes that describe Cap as having the strength of a platoon(or was it battalion)?

Plus if you want to base everything on a single high end feat, there is always the time Cap threw his shield hard enough to catch an ICBM.

Slade is too Clever for the much improved Captain America. however if Slade fails to take Cap seriously he'll lose.

By the way.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er I was going to say something like that but you sumed it up quite well.

I think what they should do is elaborate on what peak human is. I have said some of this stuff before and im going to say it again....

Peak human can be enhanced.....

Kang

While Kang does not possess super-human abilities per se, he appears to be on a strength and endurance level roughly similar to Captain America, as he is able to take him on in a fairly evenly matched battle- this suggests at least some enhancement.

Also its not as simple as Cap just being one of the best combatants in the world what does this mean? Cap has heightened sense he was able to detect someone trying to ambush him by sensing a shift in the breeze. It took him one day to learn and alien martial art, this suggests that he may have taskmaster type abilities. This possibly means he can study opponents from earth in alot less time.

They need to stop saying he can only lift 800lbs. He can most likely lift a ton, 2 tons with extreme duress.

Futhermore there needs to be some consistency. The fact that Cap is peak human does not mean he cant hurt 70 toners because....

Mantis

Strength Level: Mantis possessed the normal human strength of a woman of her age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.

Mantis had extraordinary ability in the martial arts that have been developed and perfected over thousands of years by the Priests of Pama. These fighting methods place particular emphasis on the manipulation of pressure points and nerve endings on the bodies of one's opponents. Thus, by knowing the right areas of the body to strike, Mantis could stun even a being as powerful as Thor even though she herself had no superhuman strength.


Cap is not that good, but the fact of the matter is if she can do it there is nothing wrong with Cap knocking people like The Wrecker and Mr Hyde out.

I want Marvel to stop messing around and put it in black and white that his fighting skills give him the ability to stun 70 toners. If he has the ability to stun them there is also nothing wrong with him having the ability to use his skill to somehow sustain damage from them.

And thats the point you don't have a quote of being the same to Marvel. And I don't have mine make the comparison to peak-human irrelevant.







Your example is irrelevant we know how Collosus, Rogue stands with Juggernaut. This is not the same with two characters we have never seen face one another. Cap has tons of speed feats as well. Cap's feats can't be considered PIS as well by your logic. Even with the tube feat Valid......Cap's look more impressive.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And thats the point you don't have a quote of being the same to Marvel. And I don't have mine make the comparison to peak-human irrelevant.

So then we'll just have to go by common sense and say that 'Peak Human' is peak human for both companies, because there's no proof to indicate otherwise(which was my point all along).

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Your example is irrelevant we know how Collosus, Rogue stands with Juggernaut. This is not the same with two characters we have never seen face one another.
OH...Ok. So then you are saying that Aquaman is WAAAAY stronger than Juggernaut then, since he has more strength feats than Juggs, and is considered to be in the 70-80 ton range and they've never met face to face. Is that what your saying, or does your logic only apply when it makes Marvel look better than DC?

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Cap has tons of speed feats as well.
DS's speed feats trump Caps at every turn. And I never said that Cap didn't have speed feats, or that he wasn't fast by any stretch of the imagination. I only pointed out that Slade's speed is emphasized over his strength.

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Cap's feats can't be considered PIS as well by your logic. Even with the tube feat Valid......Cap's look more impressive.
How do you come to that conclusion by MY logic? When Cap has a hard time lifting things that weigh LESS than a skyscraper, than his supporting a skyscraper WOULD be considered PIS(if he was ACTUALLY supporting the weight that is). Slade on the other hand, HAS almost no strength feats, so any that he has that don't contradict are considered VALID. Are you getting it yet, or do I have to go slower for you?

And you be wrong. Batman in DC is considered Peak-human. And he's just a regular man.


In marvel athletes like Batman who are characters like Punisher, Daredevil are not considered in the peakhuman category like Captain America.

The SSS takes you to the peak of human potential. Batman is just a man in his prime and is considere peak-human in DC. But it bares no relevance towards Cap since in the books Cap's peak has been termed to be "Preternatural", you do know what that means right?








Juggenaut can decimate guys like Thor. Do you believe Aquaman could do that do you? You really think Aquaman is that strong huh??

Or does your logic only apply to make DC look superior???








Cap has nice speed feats as well. I doubt there that far ahead. But I guess you would change this thread topic since you don't have strength feats that trump Caps.










Get by that logic apply it too Slade there have been times were he was not able to break regular chains. Or how about him lifting that big tube and carrying it under water easily and yet the punches that he gives Batman don't go through him or knock off his head. You mean contradictions like this or any other street level character he struggles with? Huh? Mabey you need to go slower for yourself.

There are also quotes of Cap being a one man army. I know of the ICBM shield throw and the strength of that feat is more impressive then that rope pull of Slade, but the skyscrapper feat and building fall match that imo. Don't get me wrong Slade's feat is impressive but so are Cap's.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And you be wrong. Batman in DC is considered Peak-human. And he's just a regular man.


In marvel athletes like Batman who are characters like Punisher, Daredevil are not considered in the peakhuman category like Captain America.

The SSS takes you to the peak of human potential. Batman is just a man in his prime and is considere peak-human in DC. But it bares not relevance towards Cap since in the books Cap's peak has been termed to be "Preternatural", you do know what that means right?
Batman is JUST BELOW Cap in physical ability. He's actually got quite a few strength feats that put him just below that range. And Slade is acknowledged to be Batmans Superior by far.

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Juggenaut can decimate guys like Thor. Do you believe Aquaman could do that do you? You really think Aquaman is that strong huh??

Or does your logic only apply to make DC look superior???
Hey I was going by YOUR logic. YOUR the one that said that combat feats don't apply. That means that his showing against Thor and the like wouldn't matter, because they're not lifting feats. And if combat feats ARE considered relevant, then you have to deal with things like Slade's showings against the like of Wonder Woman and Aquaman, both of whom FAR exceed Cap.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but I tend to argue more for Marvel than DC, because I'm a lot more familiar with Marvel.

Originally posted by Daredevil1 Cap has nice speed feats as well. I doubt there that far ahead. But I guess you would change this thread topic since you don't have strength feats that trump Caps.
I can GUARANTEE that they way outclass Caps. Believe me when I say, you don't even want to go there.

Also here are two other strength feats of Cap that outclass Slade.


Notice both Ironman/Thor can feel Captain America's strength when holding him down.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1009033oc.jpg

Notice here Cap throws his shield at a ICBM.

http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg


Even crazier Cap throws his shield to counter a hammer already thrown by Thor. Of course Thor normally holds back but hey its still friggin impressive.

http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg


3 feats to Slade's 1 tube lift.

If Batman is just below Cap then he's close to Slade. Considering Cap is as stronger or stronger. Also considering Slade defeated Bats. But Slade after that fight was so hurt that a regular man with his hands tied behind his back put the beat down on Slade.







Actually no because Cap has tons of fight feats as well. I just keeping thing easier on one set of feats, so I don't have to bust out tons of Cap scans. But you logic is flawed anyways. We know how Juggernaut treats the likes of Collusos. And we know how he would treat Aquaman in a fight.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
If Batman is just below Cap then he's close to Slade. Considering Cap is as stronger or stronger. Also considering Slade defeated Bats. But Slade after that fight was so hurt that a regular man with his hands tied behind his back put the beat down on Slade.







Actually no because Cap has tons of fight feats as well. I just keeping thing easier on one set of feats, so I don't have to bust out tons of Cap scans. But you logic is flawed anyways. We know how Juggernaut treats the likes of Collusos. And we know how he would treat Aquaman in a fight.
OK, enough of this crap. You feel like getting owned that damn bad, I'll bump a REAL Cap/Deathsroke thread.

Also Cap has been labeled to be as I stated before "Preternatural"

As this seen shows. Back in WW2 Cap had too constantly fight off superhumans such as Baron Blood(who put down Namor before mind you).

As Blood was chasing Mrs. America in the high-sky among the clouds, Cap uses his strength to save her by throwing his shield high up there.

As you see in the narration it tell us Cap is indeed enhanced to be preternatural

The defintion for perternatural is supernatural or going "beyond" normal.

http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invaders41210lo.jpg

The only strength feat then that Slade has thats impressive is that metal rope lift.

Cap matches that with holding up a skyscrapper and holding up tons of debris.

But then with the links I provided above with not one but Three.

ICBM shield throw

Thor and Ironman feeling Cap's strength when there both holding him down.

Too interpeting a hammer throw thrown none other then by Thor as Cap intercepted it.

3 that outdue Slades 1. Like I said before I give a very small edge to Cap in strength.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Notice both Ironman/Thor can feel Captain America's strength when holding him down.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1009033oc.jpg So Thor can lift the weight of the world. Iron Man can lift 100 tons. Cap can lift under 1 ton.

Are you implying that Cap is as strong as both Thor and Iron Man? Are you really believing what your writing?

Spiderman beat Firelord, doesn't make it a good feat....BECAUSE IT'S PIS!!



Originally posted by Daredevil1
Even crazier Cap throws his shield to counter a hammer already thrown by Thor. Of course Thor normally holds back but hey its still friggin impressive.

http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

^^^^^
Read above.

Plus, Thor's hammer has cracked Exitar's head. Cap can throw his shield to couunter hat kind of power??? Wow?

A ****ing skyscraper!

He benched that shit!

Originally posted by bigbran


Plus, Thor's hammer has cracked Exitar's head. Cap can throw his shield to couunter hat kind of power??? Wow?

Thats plausible because Cap's shield is indestructible;

What you really think Thor and Ironman are going all out do you? Its impressive that Cap can still make them feel his strength. Face it his feats are above 1 ton. At least Cap has 6 feats above 1 ton. Slade has 1 making his more pis then Cap's.












Read above. So your Logic is anything that Slade does counts. But 6 feats that Cap does that match don't. Meaning anything that makes Cap look better does not count. Got it. Your logic being biased eh?

Yes he benched it. Did he bench all of it? No of course not, but enough to make it look more impressive then Slades metal rope lift, which some kids were lifting.

This thread has come down too basically ignoring Cap feats and accepting everything that Slade does imo.


I've shown 3 great strength feats.

ICBM shield throw 1.

Throwing to intercept Thor's hammer 2.

And making Thor/Ironman feel Cap's strength 3.

And you cry Pis while some are accepting Slade hurt Wonderwoman in a fight????? And no one see's the bias in this?


I've shown Cap hold up a Skyscrapper another cry for Pis?

Yet anything Slade does you exept everything like its a religon.

The funny thing is I'd be willing to accept Slade hurting Wonderwoman. But then you'd all would have to exept Cap hurting top-tiers as well. But let me guess you would just complain PIS or say Cap shouldn't. Heck the only reason I stated PIS for Slade's tube lift was because others cried PIS the same. But if we exept both sides of the feats then Cap does come out a little stronger IMO.

Oh well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. But I think that its funny that some exept Slade can escape Superman's eyevision and hurt Wonderwoman but "not" exept Cap's feats.

Geez I would hate to show you Cap's many other feats in "FIGHTS" considering what pure strength feats have done.

Yup he represents physical perfection. Like the good Doctor Erstein stated(Creator of the Super Soilder Serum.)

Quote: The Perfect Man! The next step in human evolution! EndQuote.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yup he represents physical perfection. Like the good Doctor Erstein stated(Creator of the Super Soilder Serum.)

Quote: The Perfect Man! The next step in human evolution! EndQuote. And in DC, that's Batman, who can pretty much match feats with Cap step for step.

Deathstroke isn't a mainline character, and doesn't have the time under his belt.. he had his own series for only a short time and most of that was through another character's eyes - Wintergreen. His stories were more personal than feat related, telling of his lost sons and how it affected him, his finding out he had a daughter, hunting down his past, his love life in Vigilante, etc.


He's also not a brute strength character, mostly using his skill over strength. But we know he can run faster than automobiles, leap over 60 feat, etc. He's verilly portrayed far beyond human while characters like Cap and Batman are perfectly chizeled human specimen.

http://www.herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Wait Batman is Cap??? Batman was enhanced to the point the he's the next step in human evolution??? Is that what your implying?


He's enhanced to a "preternatual" level which Cap displays. Are you seriously saying Batmans strength feats match Cap aka the friggin Super-Soilder.

Operation Rebirth was meant to create Super-men. Batman is not that but a regular man in his prime.


Also you exaggerate that feat in kicking a tree in half. I've seen it, he kicked it and broke a portion. But anyways thats more striking power with a kick. Then pure strength. Cap's striking power is more impressive.

Cap was enhanced....Batman is not.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wait Batman is Cap??? Batman was enhanced to the point the he's the next step in human evolution.


He's enhanced to a "preternatual" level which Cap displays. Are you seriously saying Batmans strength feats match Cap aka the friggin Super-Soilder.

Operation Rebirth was meant to create Super-men. Batman is not that but a regular man in his prime. He is the pinacle of human achievement through hard work and training. He's no regular man.

But that's besides the point. This isn't about Batman.

Anyways, I'm not arguing with a guy who actually believes Iron Man and Thor struggle with Cap, and that Cap can hold up a skyscraper. lol.

I was merely making a point, and I have. Now I'll continue on into discussions with far more intelligible and reasonable debators.

He showed you a scan of them struggling with Cap, if that is to be ignored so should Deathstroke's fight with WW

I see so your logic is ignore evidence and accept Batman kicking through trees and ignore Cap feats. Understood thanks.

Batman's peak is just a great athlete such as guys like Daredevil or Punisher.

Daredevil impressive athlete
Hawkeye impressive athlete
Cyclops impressive athlete


Wolverine peak enhanced mutant.
Black Panther peak enhanced from herbs
Captain America peak enhanced from the SSS.

Batman fits with Daredevil's class probably a little under on certain categories. But there's the distinction.

Batman is not Cap as he is defined as being "Preternatural" or as the Doc stated a man unlike the world has never seen before.

Exactly. Its not just come too accepting everthing Slade does but ignoring everything Cap does......so Slade looks better.


I mean this guy is classing Batman a regular skill-full man.

To Cap a man created to be a "Super-Man." Text from the files of Operation-Rebirth stated to be Super-Men.

If I post scans of those he'd just ignore them anyways.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He showed you a scan of them struggling with Cap, if that is to be ignored so should Deathstroke's fight with WW Why not just keep them both?
And Batman's JLA appearances too, where he punches out Gods with single blows, or kicks Captain Marvel into Billy Batson?

How about Deathstroke taking down Green Lantern, Zatanna, Flash and friends?
Or the real JLA in Deathstroke The Hunted?
Or the Darkstars?
Or the multitude of Titans teams?

Why don't we just bar PIS altogether and just make Superman always winning one of his powers?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Exactly. Its not just come too accepting everthing Slade does but ignoring everything Cap does......so Slade looks better.


I mean this guy is classing Batman a regular skill-full man.

To Cap a man created to be a "Super-Man." Text from the files of Operation-Rebirth stated to be Super-Men.

If I post scans of those he'd just ignore them anyways. His serum took him to human potential, SLade's took him to ten times it. And then evolved even more.

Batman as a 'regular human' has feats that put him far nearer to Cap than down with the other 'regular humans' you named.
When was the last time you saw Daredevil knock out a Godlike being, throw down with being like Superman and keep him on the ropes, etc?

Bats feats are up with Caps, plain and simple.

But if you want that comparison, use the Batman vs Cap thread, where all the scans already are.

No offence but Daredevil has just as good feats as Bats or better. Nice try. Slade was never stated 10 times peak of human potential. Just Batman mabey........Cap is defined as "Preternatural."

The guy's enhanced.