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I have always wanted to know what Peter's life would have been like if Norman had slung Mary Jane off that bridge instead of Gwen. I love House of M cause i got to see a world where they got to be together, but the part bout him becoming the goblin was total crap! I mean lets face it, Yes i know Peter loves MJ with all his heart and they are good together, I love her to. After all she is the one thing the marvel universe has gave him a break with it and he much deserves it. But the truth is he was meant to be with Gwen they were soulmates, and the reason he is with MJ is cause she is dead.

So how different would Peter's life been if that was the one part of history that had changed?

If there is a what if with this out there let me know i would love to have it.

I find people who beleive that to be very misguided MJ was made for Peter by the writers bfore Gwen ever excisted so how is she his soulmate? also Peter loves MJ more!

Peter would rip out Norman's skeletal system.

If Peter would rather be with MJ why ,when Wanda using Xaviers powers to give everone the life they wanted, did he get to be with Gwen in house of M???

Again Im not questioning that Peter loves her cause he does and their is no one living he would rather be with but Gwen was still his true soulmate.

If the woman you loved died wouldn't you still move on and you may still love the person your with totally but maybe your only with her cause the other is dead.

Life sucks that way but that is how it is.
And just cause MJ came into the comic first that doesn't mean that he wasn't suppost to be with Gwen later.

Again i not tring to put Mary Jane down I love her character but look at the stories.

He was meant to be with Gwen.

Read Spider-Man: Blue.

Really gives you an insight on how their relationship was (Pete and Gwen's).

Originally posted by Entity
If Peter would rather be with MJ why ,when Wanda using Xaviers powers to give everone the life they wanted, did he get to be with Gwen in house of M???


Ah but House of M gave them what they wanted most, not necessarily what they truly loved I'm not saying Gwen wasn't Peter's "true love" (For lack of a better term) but what happened in House of M only showed us our heroes desires, not what they may or may not truly love, agree with or choose to do

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Read Spider-Man: Blue.

Really gives you an insight on how their relationship was (Pete and Gwen's).

Is Spiderman: Blue canon?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Is Spiderman: Blue canon?

Well, it retells the stories of the early Spidey adventures with more insight into the Peter - MJ - Gwen love triangle. I don't see why it wouldn't be.


Not to mention, Gwen was MJ's first love.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Gwen was MJ's first love.


Wuh....w...wait, wait a minute.........what?

Originally posted by willRules
Wuh....w...wait, wait a minute.........what?

Read some of the early (very early) Amazing Spider-Man. Pete was gettin' down with Gwen, babeh.

Sweet

I have some back issues of Amazing but I only really started collecting from the clone saga onwards

Originally posted by willRules
Sweet

I have some back issues of Amazing but I only really started collecting from the clone saga onwards

But I mean very early. Like the first thirty issues or something.

I was pretty surprised. Pete couldn't care less about MJ in those times... it was all about Gwen.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
But I mean very early. Like the first thirty issues or something.

I was pretty surprised. Pete couldn't care less about MJ in those times... it was all about Gwen.

Thank you!

Now can anyone tell me more of this MJ was all over Gwen???
Was that a misprint, a joke, or was Mary Jane Seriously into Gwen too?
If so that couldv'e turned into one hell of a "Amazing Fanasy" for the wallcrawler rawww!

Originally posted by Broly92
I find people who beleive that to be very misguided MJ was made for Peter by the writers bfore Gwen ever excisted so how is she his soulmate? also Peter loves MJ more!

Mj was introduced only realy about 10 issues before gwen, and even then you didnt see her face, Gwen was established as a character before MJ was realy, and he always wanted to be with Gwen, he didnt realy even go out with MJ untill after Gwen died, sure they had a couple of dates but the relationship never realy kicked off, Peter then got with Gwen and Mj went off with Harry, then Gwen died, and Pete and Mj still didnt get together for years to come, so you can't realy say MJ was made for Pete from the begining because Stan Lee had stopped writing Spidey by the time Pete and MJ got together.

Also Pete now loves MJ more than Gwen because Gwen is dead, basicly he moved on.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Is Spiderman: Blue canon?

yeah it is, most of the continuity in it is wrong but its still pretty much the same stories.

Sauce is right. MJ wasn't even a factor until around ASM #150 (give or take). And even then he had other interests before he finally settled on MJ. Pete had about 2-3 gf's before Gwen, and one or two others after Gwen before he and MJ finally sealed the deal (Black Cat being among them).

Not to mention Pete had to ask Mary jane 3 times before she agreed to marry him.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Not to mention Pete had to ask Mary jane 3 times before she agreed to marry him.


Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he ask her to marry him in a airport for one of those proposals????

Originally posted by willRules
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he ask her to marry him in a airport for one of those proposals????

Yes yes he did, when Mary Jane was on her way to Pittsburg I belive,

So most of us agree Peter is with MJ becasue Gwen is dead.
And if she had not died he would probably never have married MJ but Gwen instead.
CORRECT???

Originally posted by Entity
So most of us agree Peter is with MJ becasue Gwen is dead.
And if she had not died he would probably never have married MJ but Gwen instead.
CORRECT???
Thats why Gwen is dead and not Mj right because she is who Peter should have been with

No i just think Gwen was Peter's true soulmate.

Originally posted by Entity
No i just think Gwen was Peter's true soulmate.

The idea of soulmates is suspect at best.

But anyway, the nature of comics (and Spidey confirms this) is to change and evolve. They knew they were going to kill Gwen issues in advance, so why not build up their relationship to make it more dramatic? If Gwen had never died, chances are their relationship would've never seemed as prfound and romantic. The death made it exponentially more important.

So, honestly, it's probably a coin flip. But it's far from assured that Peter would've ended up with Gwen.

He was with her in House of M and that proves she is his true desire
Mary Jane is great and is in someways perfect for Peter but I have always though that Gwen may have been better for him had she lived and that is coming from a reader that loves MJ, I just think that if Peter had to choose in a world where they were both alive and he hadn't been married to MJ he would pick Gwen because he really loved her most even if only by a fraction.

If she were alive they would be together.

Originally posted by Entity
He was with her in House of M and that proves she is his true desire
Mary Jane is great and is in someways perfect for Peter but I have always though that Gwen may have been better for him had she lived and that is coming from a reader that loves MJ, I just think that if Peter had to choose in a world where they were both alive and he hadn't been married to MJ he would pick Gwen because he really loved her most even if only by a fraction.

If she were alive they would be together.
In your opinon so I agree to disagree

Originally posted by Entity
He was with her in House of M and that proves she is his true desire
Mary Jane is great and is in someways perfect for Peter but I have always though that Gwen may have been better for him had she lived and that is coming from a reader that loves MJ, I just think that if Peter had to choose in a world where they were both alive and he hadn't been married to MJ he would pick Gwen because he really loved her most even if only by a fraction.

If she were alive they would be together.

That just means his desire for her was repressed. Not surprising, given the way she was taken from him.

You'd feel more attached too, if your arch-nemesis threw your gf off a bridge and she died....rather than if you dated for a couple more years, decided you weren't right for each other, and parted ways.

...

And please understand: You might be right. But HoM is far from proof.

Originally posted by Entity
So most of us agree Peter is with MJ becasue Gwen is dead.
And if she had not died he would probably never have married MJ but Gwen instead.
CORRECT???
I would agree with that, he would now love MJ more because he has been through alot with her but if Gwen had never died I would have assumed he'd have stayed with her, after all if you look at his previouse GF's they all gave up with him, Gwen stuck with him through all the hard times even when he "beat up" her Dad, now that just shows commitment and you would assume that that commitment would stay with them if she were alive...also in the what-if story he marries Gwen anyway , course Jaemson finds out he's Spider-man then becomes a fugative but still....

Of course I am prejudiced, because I think MJ is about a zillion times hotter than Gwen, but I think that while Gwen may have been his first love, MJ is his true love. I think if Peter had stayed with Gwen, eventually they would have broken up, and he would have ended up with MJ anyway.

But like I said, I'm prejudiced, for several reasons, which I don't really have time to get into right here. My argument stands, though

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Of course I am prejudiced, because I think MJ is about a zillion times hotter than Gwen, but I think that while Gwen may have been his first love, MJ is his true love. I think if Peter had stayed with Gwen, eventually they would have broken up, and he would have ended up with MJ anyway.

But like I said, I'm prejudiced, for several reasons, which I don't really have time to get into right here. My argument stands, though

Well I'd disagree on two things...Gwens hotter , and the fact that Peter and Gwen went through alot of ups and downs in their relationship and only ended up loving each other more, I think they would have stayed together in all honesty, because also note Peter was never realy attracted to the "party girl" MJ which she always showed untill she and Pete got close, and I don't think that would have happend if Gwen hadn't died, but I guess your entitled to your opinion...even though it's misguided .....

Gwen's hotter than this?!

Yes yes she is http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/191/missstacyce5.th.jpg
But of course you could always have the best of both worlds http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7128/gwenandmjcaughtxj1.th.jpg

Originally posted by Sparkz
Well I'd disagree on two things...Gwens hotter , and the fact that Peter and Gwen went through alot of ups and downs in their relationship and only ended up loving each other more, I think they would have stayed together in all honesty, because also note Peter was never realy attracted to the "party girl" MJ which she always showed untill she and Pete got close, and I don't think that would have happend if Gwen hadn't died, but I guess your entitled to your opinion...even though it's misguided .....
Yeah Mj and Peter haven't had any hard times they got past

Originally posted by Broly92
Yeah Mj and Peter haven't had any hard times they got past

I didn't say they didn't, but they wouldn't have had any to get passed if Gwen hadn't died

Originally posted by Sparkz
I didn't say they didn't, but they wouldn't have had any to get passed if Gwen hadn't died
Yes they would like Gwen being attacked and beaten by Mj
and then Peter still goes with Mj

Originally posted by Sparkz
Yes yes she is http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/191/missstacyce5.th.jpg
But of course you could always have the best of both worlds http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7128/gwenandmjcaughtxj1.th.jpg


Sorry about the double post but Mj is hotter than the top picture and
drool droolio to the second one

Originally posted by Sparkz
Yes yes she is http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/191/missstacyce5.th.jpg
But of course you could always have the best of both worlds http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7128/gwenandmjcaughtxj1.th.jpg



Blondes just don't do it for me, I wish they did, it would have made my life a lot easier

The double package does seem tempting, I have to admit...

But no. NO! MJ forever!

Every time she says "Go get them, tiger!" I have to go for a cold shower - how Pete is able to fit into those tights without being arrested for public indecency I will never know - and how he ever gets any work done I understand even less...

Pete and MJ work perfectly for me, but as I stated, I'm prejudiced, blondes just don't do it for me - so therefore it's probably best if I disqualified myself from this argument - besides, all this talk about MJ means I need to go take a cold shower now...

Originally posted by Dreampanther


The double package does seem tempting, I have to admit...

But no. NO! MJ forever!


jawdrop

Honestly, I think House of M explains it all

Gwen will always be Spidey's #1 girl in 616

Originally posted by Grimm22
Honestly, I think House of M explains it all

Gwen will always be Spidey's #1 girl in 616
Then you should read the whole thread!

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Blondes just don't do it for me, I wish they did, it would have made my life a lot easier

The double package does seem tempting, I have to admit...

But no. NO! MJ forever!

Every time she says "Go get them, tiger!" I have to go for a cold shower - how Pete is able to fit into those tights without being arrested for public indecency I will never know - and how he ever gets any work done I understand even less...

Pete and MJ work perfectly for me, but as I stated, I'm prejudiced, blondes just don't do it for me - so therefore it's probably best if I disqualified myself from this argument - besides, all this talk about MJ means I need to go take a cold shower now...

i'd have to disagree again, but blondes do it for me more than redheads, allthough i agree Pete and Mj do work perfectly but I still prefer Gwen.

Originally posted by Broly92
Sorry about the double post but Mj is hotter than the top picture and
drool droolio to the second one

I'll have to disagree with that, but i find the short black skirt far more attractive than half a spidey costume...and she's blonde lol.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Honestly, I think House of M explains it all

Gwen will always be Spidey's #1 girl in 616

Yup.

Have you read Spider-Man: Blue, Grimm? I think you'd like it.

Gwen was and will allways be the love of Peters life. I know he truly loves MJ but Gwen was his first pick. She was his world and MJ is increadible and he could have went through all he has without her, but if Gwen had lived he wouldn't have needed MJ. Either way when it comes to women, well that is the one aspect of his life where he is one luckly bastard!!!devil

Originally posted by Entity
Gwen was and will allways be the love of Peters life. I know he truly loves MJ but Gwen was his first pick. She was his world and MJ is increadible and he could have went through all he has without her, but if Gwen had lived he wouldn't have needed MJ. Either way when it comes to women, well that is the one aspect of his life where he is one luckly bastard!!!devil
I agree she is his fantasy but Mj is his true love. IMO

I mean't to say that he (couldn't) have went through what he has with out her.

But to all the people that disbelive that Gwen was Peter's truelove.
Show me a story with both Gwen and MJ alive and well where Peter chooses MJ.

Originally posted by Entity
I mean't to say that he (couldn't) have went through what he has with out her.

But to all the people that disbelive that Gwen was Peter's truelove.
Show me a story with both Gwen and MJ alive and well where Peter chooses MJ.
Here (not exactly what you asked for but still works)
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2079/page2gb1.th.jpg

How in any shape form or fashion does that show him chosing MJ.
That pretty much sapports my opition doesn't it.
Maybe I'm missing something but, I'm REALLY missing it.confused1

Originally posted by Entity
How in any shape form or fashion does that show him chosing MJ.
That pretty much sapports my opition doesn't it.
Maybe I'm missing something but, I'm REALLY missing it.confused1
If she was his true love he would go to her(which he didn't)

That Time how many times did he chase her???
Either way that doesn't show him chosing MJ over Gwen
You won't find one that does except in the clone saga or something like that and in the saga he was extremelly conflected (understandably) and she had been dead to him for years and he was married to MJ.
Kinda hard to chase the woman u love when she's been dead for years and your standing next to the woman you married tring to sort it all out.

Originally posted by Entity
That Time how many times did he chase her???
Either way that doesn't show him chosing MJ over Gwen
You won't find one that does except in the clone saga or something like that and in the saga he was extremelly conflected (understandably) and she had been dead to him for years and he was married to MJ.
Kinda hard to chase the woman u love when she's been dead for years and your standing next to the woman you married tring to sort it all out.
Okay .........


Anyways what I think this thread has too many posts for being such a topic of Girlfriends of a fictional character

Originally posted by Broly92
Here (not exactly what you asked for but still works)
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2079/page2gb1.th.jpg

I know I disqualified myself because I am prejudiced But I don't care - Petey had the chance to choose Gwen, and he didn't! Yeah, Petey! You the man, Petey! Go Mj go Mj go! Petey and Mj forever!

Okay, now I am disqualifying myself again...

Originally posted by Entity
Gwen was and will allways be the love of Peters life. I know he truly loves MJ but Gwen was his first pick. She was his world and MJ is increadible and he could have went through all he has without her, but if Gwen had lived he wouldn't have needed MJ. Either way when it comes to women, well that is the one aspect of his life where he is one luckly bastard!!!devil Goblin actually tried to save Gwen but Spiderman killed her before he had a chance. He said so here recently.

Gwen stopped being Pete's true love IMO when they revealed she was a f**king whore and slept with that shit Osborn!

See? That's what I am arguing. People's character doesn't change very much. Yes, she was his first love, and she died before their love could die a natural death (as it would have, inevitably), and therefore he still has this perfect picture of her in his mind, that he's probably still in love with.

But if they had kept on going out, she would have cheated on him again, and eventually he would have found out, and they would have broken up, anyway.

Petey and MJ are meant to be together, she has fought for him and he has fought for her countless times, and as time passes, their love just keeps on growing stronger, which is the way it should be.

My two cents...

Originally posted by Dreampanther
See? That's what I am arguing. People's character doesn't change very much. Yes, she was his first love, and she died before their love could die a natural death (as it would have, inevitably), and therefore he still has this perfect picture of her in his mind, that he's probably still in love with.

But if they had kept on going out, she would have cheated on him again, and eventually he would have found out, and they would have broken up, anyway.

Petey and MJ are meant to be together, she has fought for him and he has fought for her countless times, and as time passes, their love just keeps on growing stronger, which is the way it should be.

My two cents...

Actually, I believe Marvel has said they're looking for a way to seperate them--either by her death or separation--to bring Pete back to his roots.

Who? Who does Marvel want to separate? MJ and Pete?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Actually, I believe Marvel has said they're looking for a way to seperate them--either by her death or separation--to bring Pete back to his roots.

I remember the last time they tried to bring the character back to his roots...

Cough*clone saga*Cough

Originally posted by long pig
Goblin actually tried to save Gwen but Spiderman killed her before he had a chance. He said so here recently.


I know what he said but I doubt he was going to save her.

Originally posted by Black Adam
I remember the last time they tried to bring the character back to his roots...

Cough*clone saga*Cough

Yes well they let that get out of hand, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes, allthough admitidly I didn't mind the clone saga I thought it was quite a good read untill around the end of it where Jackle had gone from revenge on Peter Parker to kill everyone in sight. I also enjoyed Ben Reily's run as Spider-man. Pity him and pete didn't fight alonside each other when both were Spider-man, but oh well. I also enjoyed the final twist with Norman Osborn, admittidly his character got very repetative after Peter beat him in that arc but untill then....