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If prepowerup Surfer's power level is an 100, what are these guys?

Beta Ray Bill

Black Adam

Superman

Genis (Photon)

Quasar

Orion

Sentry

Extremis Iron Man

Firelord

Current Nova (Rich Rider)

Darkseid

Wonder Woman

Thanos

Thor

GL (Kyle)

Eradicator

J'onn

Majestic

Firestorm

Stardust

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 90

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 105

Quasar - 95

Orion - 100

Sentry - N/A

Extremis Iron Man - 50

Firelord - 90

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 85

Darkseid - 500 on a good day, 5 on a Loeb day

Wonder Woman - 70

Thanos - 200

Thor - 100

GL (Kyle) - Variable, 100 on a good day, 80 during typical GL jobbing

Eradicator - 95

J'onn - 95

Majestic - 90

Firestorm - 85

Stardust - 95

no offense, but comic weight categories are total b&$shit

some characters are labeled 100 ton or less but do ridiculous stuff: lift a building (that's like thousands of tons, lifting mountains which is millions of tons, and moving planets which is billions of tons)

so don't pay too much attention to the strength scale and focus more on feats

Originally posted by masterbruce
no offense, but comic weight categories are total b&$shit

some characters are labeled 100 ton or less but do ridiculous stuff: lift a building (that's like thousands of tons, lifting mountains which is millions of tons, and moving planets which is billions of tons)

so don't pay too much attention to the strength scale and focus more on feats
This isn't a strength scale.

just to give you a perspective of weights

a navy battlecruiser = 45,000 tons

I'm pretty sure most of those characters you listed could lift a battlecruiser without breaking a sweat

Originally posted by Validus
This isn't a strength scale.

MasterBruce, you kidder!!

ok, thanks for pointing that out. However, my criticisim is still valid in regards to the ridiculous strength scale that comics and their fans use.

Originally posted by UniOmni
MasterBruce, you kidder!!
I'm waiting on your ratings.

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 90

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 120

Quasar - 95

Orion - 99

Sentry - i'll roll the dice and say 105

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 105

Darkseid - fukin wit ma head

Wonder Woman - 75

Thanos - 250

Thor - 99

GL (Kyle) - either 80 or 110...depends.

Eradicator - 101

J'onn - 95

Majestic - 95

Firestorm - 85

Stardust - 95


i mostly agree with validus...mostly

Beta Ray Bill - 89

Black Adam - 86

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 104

Quasar - 85

Orion - 100

Sentry - 89

Extremis Iron Man - 50

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 80

Darkseid - 1000

Wonder Woman - 84

Thanos - 750

Thor - 85 Without Mjnollir, but 99 with it.

GL (Kyle) - 102 at his highend

Eradicator - 99

J'onn - 86

Majestic - 86

Firestorm - 92

Stardust - 96

I know some are going to take issue with Supermans placement, but hv and icebreath only take you but so far.

Put in your own words if you take issue.

Beta Ray Bill - 90

Black Adam - don't know

Superman - 95

Genis (Photon) - don't know

Quasar - don't know

Orion - 85

Sentry - 175

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - don't know

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - don't know

Darkseid - 88

Wonder Woman - 85

Thanos - 195

Thor - 97

GL (Kyle) - 95

Eradicator - 93

J'onn - 78

Majestic - don't know

Firestorm - don't know

Stardust - don't know

Beta Ray Bill - 87

Black Adam - 85

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 150

Quasar - 87

Orion - 80

Sentry - 80

Extremis Iron Man - 55

Firelord - 70

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - don't know him

Darkseid - 175

Wonder Woman - 73

Thanos - 190

Thor - 88

GL (Kyle) - 83

Eradicator - 85

J'onn - 85

Majestic - 87

Firestorm - 70

Stardust - 85

I see that my opinion differs from some others, especially in regards to Darkseid

just as a disclaimer, I get 95% of my info from the tv series, so darkseid always seemed like a weak little b&$ch

I rate Orion higher than most, simply due to him destroying what would equate to countless solarsystems in his fight with Daddy Darkseid.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I see that my opinion differs from some others, especially in regards to Darkseid

just as a disclaimer, I get 95% of my info from the tv series, so darkseid always seemed like a weak little b&$ch
Actually, I took more issue on that Sentry rating.

Originally posted by Validus
Actually, I took more issue on that Sentry rating.

Yeah, Sentry himself doesn't strike me as above the top tier, like how some people see him.

He broke Terraxs hand, and split his axe.

Honestly, i could see Superman doing the same thing if he was angry enough.

Originally posted by Validus
Actually, I took more issue on that Sentry rating.

well, I recently came across that Sentry comic where he OWNed Terrax without ANY effort. I doubt even surfer could beat Terrax that easily.

Originally posted by masterbruce
well, I recently came across that Sentry comic where he OWNed Terrax without ANY effort. I doubt even surfer could beat Terrax that easily.
Surfer beat Terrax in one page back in a New Warriors comic.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Yeah, Sentry himself doesn't strike me as above the top tier, like how some people see him.

He broke Terraxs hand, and split his axe.

Honestly, i could see Superman doing the same thing if he was angry enough.

there's the difference. Superman prob could do it when angry and using full power. Sentry did it with almost no effort, looked like he was playing with a little plastic action figure the way he handled Terrax, he prob didn't use more than 15% power.

Originally posted by Validus
Surfer beat Terrax in one page back in a New Warriors comic.

did he make Terrax cry and run away with his tail between his legs? btw, it's important to note how EASY Sentry disposed of Terrax. Im sure alot of folks can beat Terrax, but how many can beat him while barely exerting any force?

Well, i could say that Superman breaking Dianas gauntlets with one hand, is more impressive than Reynolds doing what he did to the cosmic axe.

But that would hurt Dianas cause, even if it was an alternate reality Diana.

Originally posted by masterbruce
did he make Terrax cry and run away with his tail between his legs? btw, it's important to note how EASY Sentry disposed of Terrax. Im sure alot of folks can beat Terrax, but how many can beat him while barely exerting any force?
When Terrax first saw Surfer he practically pissed himself in fear and then begged Norrin not to hurt him before being dragged off to some backwater planet. Like I said, all in page or two.

Beta Ray Bill - 90

Black Adam - 92

Superman - 100

Genis (Photon) - 105

Quasar - 98

Orion - 98

Sentry - 90

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) -

Darkseid - 200+

Wonder Woman - 90

Thanos - 150

Thor - 90

GL (Kyle) - 100+

Eradicator - 100+

J'onn - 90

Majestic - 95

Firestorm - 90

Stardust - 100

I dont think alot of you know what Photon Genis can do....

Originally posted by thedude1948
I dont think alot of you know what Photon Genis can do....

Maybe my memory fails me; it's late, and I'm inebriated...but....

Couldn't he, you know, manipulate the very threads of reality to the point of rewriting UNIVERSES?

And people are rating him as 104/105?

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 90

Superman - 95

Genis (Photon)- 105-150+

Quasar- 100, about 150-300 with some Q-Band feats

Orion- ?

Sentry- 80-125

Extremis Iron Man- 75

Firelord- 90

Current Nova (Rich Rider)- 75-105

Darkseid- 180+

Wonder Woman-80

Thanos- 180+

Thor- 95

GL (Kyle)- 85-100

Eradicator- ?

J'onn- 75

Majestic- 90-140

Firestorm- 85-95

Stardust- 90

Originally posted by Soljer
Maybe my memory fails me; it's late, and I'm inebriated...but....

Couldn't he, you know, manipulate the very threads of reality to the point of rewriting UNIVERSES?

And people are rating him as 104/105?
Yeah since theres the problem of him being killed by Atlas, having trouble with Hyperion, being knocked out by a thrown Joystick, and downed by sleeping gas.

And he can't rewrite universes.

Originally posted by Soljer
Maybe my memory fails me; it's late, and I'm inebriated...but....

Couldn't he, you know, manipulate the very threads of reality to the point of rewriting UNIVERSES?

And people are rating him as 104/105?

Yes, an Omniversal telepath who exists in the past, present and future at the same time. His Energy comes from the big bang, and he would have killed Eternity if he didnt die. But he is only slightly above some herald level guys.....

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 90

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 250

Quasar - 95

Orion - 100

Sentry - 75

Extremis Iron Man - 50

Firelord - 90

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 90

Darkseid - 300

Wonder Woman - 65

Thanos - 300

Thor - 100

GL (Kyle) - 100

Eradicator - 95

J'onn - 95

Majestic - 95

Firestorm - 85

Stardust - 95

Originally posted by thedude1948
Yes, an Omniversal telepath who exists in the past, present and future at the same time. His Energy comes from the big bang, and he would have killed Eternity if he didnt die. But he is only slightly above some herald level guys.....
Kyle Rayner has universal feats.

Genis' destruction of the universe was purely circumstantial. If he had that type of power to toss around, he wouldn't have been killed by Zemo.

Originally posted by Validus
Kyle Rayner has universal feats.

Genis' destruction of the universe was purely circumstantial. If he had that type of power to toss around, he wouldn't have been killed by Zemo.

He also wouldn't have stalemated King Thor.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
He also wouldn't have stalemated King Thor.
Two hits total between the two is more of a nonfight than a stalemate.

Originally posted by Validus
Two hits total between the two is more of a nonfight than a stalemate.

Yea I guess your right

That was as much of a stalemate, as Blue Supes did Asmodel.

That wasn't a battle. That was a scuffle.

Originally posted by Validus
Kyle Rayner has universal feats.

Genis' destruction of the universe was purely circumstantial. If he had that type of power to toss around, he wouldn't have been killed by Zemo.
He knew that he was going to kill the universe, he probably already knew (From his cosmic awareness) that his death was the only way to save the universe, I dont think he tried to stop his death with everything he had, because with the powers that he had he should have been able to stop it if he wasnt holding back. You might see it differently, but I dont think he used all his power to stop Zemo IMO.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
He also wouldn't have stalemated King Thor.
He didnt because that wasnt Photon who fought King Thor...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Beta Ray Bill - 90

Black Adam - 92

Superman - 100

Genis (Photon) - 105

Quasar - 98

Orion - 98

Sentry - 90

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) -

Darkseid - 200+

Wonder Woman - 90

Thanos - 150

Thor - 90

GL (Kyle) - 100+

Eradicator - 100+

J'onn - 90

Majestic - 95

Firestorm - 90

Stardust - 100

You see Majestic as more powerful than Thor and BRB??

Originally posted by thedude1948
He knew that he was going to kill the universe, he probably already knew (From his cosmic awareness) that his death was the only way to save the universe, I dont think he tried to stop his death, because with the powers that he had he should have been able to stop it if he wasnt holding back. You might see it differently, but I dont think he used all his power to stop Zemo IMO.

If he says that each second brings another chance for his redemption, why would he let himself be killed? It's not like Zemo disecting him goes against his other power showings.

Originally posted by thedude1948
He knew that he was going to kill the universe, he probably already knew (From his cosmic awareness) that his death was the only way to save the universe, I dont think he tried to stop his death, because with the powers that he had he should have been able to stop it if he wasnt holding back. You might see it differently, but I dont think he used all his power to stop Zemo IMO.


He didnt because that wasnt Photon who fought King Thor...

So I guess an Insane Genis Vell dressed up in a green costume isn't Photon?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Beta Ray Bill - 90

Black Adam - 92

Superman - 100

Genis (Photon) - 105

Quasar - 98

Orion - 98

Sentry - 90

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) -

Darkseid - 200+

Wonder Woman - 90

Thanos - 150

Thor - 90

GL (Kyle) - 100+

Eradicator - 100+

J'onn - 90

Majestic - 95

Firestorm - 90

Stardust - 100

? wow

Originally posted by UniOmni
You see Majestic as more powerful than Thor and BRB??

He also has WW on the same lv as BRB and Thor

Originally posted by Validus
If he says that each second brings another chance for his redemption, why would he let himself be killed? It's not like Zemo disecting him goes against his other power showings.
I think he just didnt want to accept that his death was the only way to save the universe. Photon's cosmic awareness seemed pretty random so what you said might be what happened.


Originally posted by Soujaboy
So I guess an Insane Genis Vell dressed up in a green costume isn't Photon?

Yep, you are right that isnt Photon.

this is Photon.
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=65801_pman3.jpg

Originally posted by Validus
Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 90

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 105

Quasar - 95

Orion - 100

Sentry - N/A

Extremis Iron Man - 50

Firelord - 90

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 85

Darkseid - 500 on a good day, 5 on a Loeb day

Wonder Woman - 70

Thanos - 200

Thor - 100

GL (Kyle) - Variable, 100 on a good day, 80 during typical GL jobbing

Eradicator - 95

J'onn - 95

Majestic - 90

Firestorm - 85

Stardust - 95

Wait, you see Quasar as more powerful than Superman??

And Firelord as equal to him??

I know he's potentially more powerful, but damn Vally.

Do you go off of showings, or potential, or formidability??

Showings = exactly what it means, ie canon evidence.

Potential = What could possibly be done with their powersets??

Formidability = a mix of showings, and potential.

Example 1

J'onn isn't shown as consistently formidable, but due to some decent showings here and there, and rare glimpses of latent unexplored potential, you give him a decent score, based on his overall formidability?

Originally posted by thedude1948
I think he just didnt want to accept that his death was the only way to save the universe. Photon's cosmic awareness seemed pretty random so what you said might be what happened.




Yep, you are right that isnt Photon.

this is Photon.
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=65801_pman3.jpg

Seeing as how thats how Genis looks when he removes his head gear.....

So as I said earlier, Genis Vell is Photon.

http://marvel.com/universe/Photon_%28Genis-Vell%29

Originally posted by Soujaboy
He also has WW on the same lv as BRB and Thor

His list isn't far from mines, to be truthful.

But i do consider Surfer to be more powerful than Superman, by a decent margin to be honest.

And while i consider Thor without the hammer to be inferior, with it, he clearly eclipses Superman, imo.

And i definitely wouldn't put Thor and BRB and WW on the same level, but ehh....

But i do take offense to Orion being lower than Superman on the power scale.

Orion has imo, the best energy projection out of the entire top tier of both major companies.

And by far.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So as I said earlier, Genis Vell is Photon.

http://marvel.com/universe/Photon_%28Genis-Vell%29

Sigh....Yes, Genis Vell is Photon, but Photon didnt fight King Thor. Just like Ion is Kyle Rayner. When Kyle Rayner fights someone as Green Lantern before he became Ion you dont say Ion fought that person because Green Lantern did, same with Genis Vell and Photon. so no King Thor didnt fight Photon.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Formidability = a mix of showings, and potential.

Example 1

J'onn isn't shown as consistently formidable, but due to some decent showings here and there, and rare glimpses of latent unexplored potential, you give him a decent score, based on his overall formidability?
Basically.

And as for Quasar and Firelord, I wasn't really thinking of how they would do against other people on the list, just against Surfer. I have Iron Man at 50 and Genis at 105 but I would certainly say Genis is more than twice as powerful. Both Firelord and Quasar could fight evenly with Supes though.

Originally posted by Validus
Basically.

And as for Quasar and Firelord, I wasn't really thinking of how they would do against other people on the list, just against Surfer. I would say both could fight evenly with Supes though.

Alright, i got you.

Batdude won't like it though.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I think he just didnt want to accept that his death was the only way to save the universe. Photon's cosmic awareness seemed pretty random so what you said might be what happened.
Understandable.

Originally posted by thedude1948
that was Insane Genis-Vell, Go read the bio that you posted, and it'll tell you when and why he changed his name to Photon.

You may be right, oh well im tired and off to bed.

Beta Ray Bill 95

Black Adam 93

Superman 95

Genis (Photon) 125+

Quasar 94

Orion 100

Sentry 95-99

Extremis Iron Man 50

Firelord 98

Current Nova (Rich Rider) 94

Darkseid 300

Wonder Woman 92

Thanos 300

Thor 98

GL (Kyle) 98

Eradicator 95

J'onn 96

Majestic 96

Firestorm 95

Stardust 98

Originally posted by Validus
When Terrax first saw Surfer he practically pissed himself in fear and then begged Norrin not to hurt him before being dragged off to some backwater planet. Like I said, all in page or two.

I actaully loved those panels. Terrax sees surfer off in the distance and wets his pants. In like a micro second Terras is stranded on some distant planet without his axe. I think this was the same planet SS found him on in the Herald Ordeal.

Terrax got owned by SS and SS wasn't even angry. He could easily kill T.

I find two things interesting in these pages.

1. Thanos is being ranked upwards of 300. Do we really see his as that Uber? I mean is this is an oeverall powerscale I wouldn't put him that high. He usualyl wins by brains, not raw power.

2. Stardust is being ranked very high. I like this and agree with is. I don't know that I would give him a 98, but he is a high tier herald and I hate when people act like he is a nobody!

Originally posted by Priest
Beta Ray Bill 95

Black Adam 93

Superman 95

Genis (Photon) 125+

Quasar 94

Orion 100

Sentry 95-99

Extremis Iron Man 50

Firelord 98

Current Nova (Rich Rider) 94

Darkseid 300

Wonder Woman 92

Thanos 300

Thor 98

GL (Kyle) 98

Eradicator 95

J'onn 96

Majestic 96

Firestorm 95

Stardust 98

Best estimates so far...

Here are mine: With Surfer being a 100.

Beta Ray Bill - 94

Black Adam - 90

Superman- 96; with possiblity to be greater. I do think he holds back most of the time.

Genis (Photon) - 115

Quasar - 93.5

Orion - 95

Sentry - ?

Extremis Iron Man - 70

Firelord - 92

Current Nova (Rich Rider)- 93

Darkseid- 140

Wonder Woman- 89

Thanos- 150

Thor- 96.5

GL (Kyle)- 93.5
(Hal)- 98

Eradicator-?

J'onn- 90

Majestic- 91

Firestorm- 80

Stardust- 88

The reason I put Thanos at 150 is because if the difference between Thor and Surfer 3.5 then i believe that the difference from Thanos to Srfer should be no more than 50.

Beta Ray Bill - 99

Black Adam - 91

Superman - 93

Genis (Photon) -120

Quasar - 95

Orion NA

Sentry - 90

Extremis Iron Man - 60

Firelord - 88

Current Nova (Rich Rider) -97

Darkseid NA

Wonder Woman -NA

Thanos - 110

Thor -97

GL (Kyle) -95

Eradicator -NA

J'onn -90

Majestic -91

Firestorm

Stardust - 91

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 90

Superman - 97

Legacy - 80
Captain Marvel - 93
Insane Genis - 130
Genis (Photon) - dont know

Quasar - 97

Orion - 90

Sentry - 90

Extremis Iron Man - 60

Firelord - 90

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 90

Darkseid - 200

Wonder Woman - 75

Thanos - 120

Thor - 100

GL (Kyle) - 97

Eradicator -95

J'onn -90

Majestic -90

Firestorm - 89

Stardust - 93

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I find two things interesting in these pages.

1. Thanos is being ranked upwards of 300. Do we really see his as that Uber? I mean is this is an oeverall powerscale I wouldn't put him that high. He usualyl wins by brains, not raw power.

2. Stardust is being ranked very high. I like this and agree with is. I don't know that I would give him a 98, but he is a high tier herald and I hate when people act like he is a nobody! Have you ever seen Thanos actually fight? Or do you just hear about him making plans?

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 93

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 200

Quasar - 97

Orion - 96

Sentry - 86

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 92

Darkseid - 1000+

Wonder Woman - 85

Thanos - 900

Thor - 95

GL (Kyle) - 97

Eradicator -95

J'onn -89

Majestic -90

Firestorm - 92

Stardust - 95

Probably wrong though.

Originally posted by bigbran
Have you ever seen Thanos actually fight? Or do you just hear about him making plans?

Beta Ray Bill - 95

Black Adam - 93

Superman - 90

Genis (Photon) - 200

Quasar - 97

Orion - 96

Sentry - 86

Extremis Iron Man - 40

Firelord - 85

Current Nova (Rich Rider) - 92

Darkseid - 1000+

Wonder Woman - 85

Thanos - 900

Thor - 95

GL (Kyle) - 97

Eradicator -95

J'onn -89

Majestic -90

Firestorm - 92

Stardust - 95

Probably wrong though.

Yes I have, and although I have seen him Kill surfer I don't know that in terms of raw power he is 9x surfer.

I really don't see how he is 4.5x Photon.

Or lets just say more powerful than BRB, Thor, SS, Sentry, Firelord, Stardust, Quasar, and Kyle, and WW combined.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Yes I have, and although I have seen him Kill surfer I don't know that in terms of raw power he is 9x surfer.

I really don't see how he is 4.5x Photon.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Yes I have, and although I have seen him Kill surfer I don't know that in terms of raw power he is 9x surfer.

I really don't see how he is 4.5x Photon.

Or lets just say more powerful than BRB, Thor, SS, Sentry, Firelord, Stardust, Quasar, and Kyle, and WW combined.
I gave Thanos 120 but could easily be 500 still havent seen his full potential in current powerlevel and i feel SS written well could be shown to do a lot better than his past encounters w/ Thanos.... Same with Darkseid (easily go past 500) but the guy really confuses me....

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Yes I have, and although I have seen him Kill surfer I don't know that in terms of raw power he is 9x surfer.

I really don't see how he is 4.5x Photon.

Or lets just say more powerful than BRB, Thor, SS, Sentry, Firelord, Stardust, Quasar, and Kyle, and WW combined. The Photon one is iffy.
I'm mostly thinking of normal Genis, and Legacy here.

Lets take a look at how Thanos's blast vary from Surfer's shall we?
Just one comparison.
You've seen this about a thousand times haven't you?
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9307/xdrxvspi4.jpg

Now, lets look at how Surfer does.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1328/silversurferv307513jx8.th.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7158/silversurferv3102p13hw9.th.jpg

I seriously doubt, that he is any lower than 3x as stong as Surfer.
His raw power would be way above Surfer, the only problem is that he doesn't have the speed.

Originally posted by bigbran
The Photon one is iffy.
I'm mostly thinking of normal Genis, and Legacy here.

Lets take a look at how Thanos's blast vary from Surfer's shall we?
Just one comparison.
You've seen this about a thousand times haven't you?
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9307/xdrxvspi4.jpg

Now, lets look at how Surfer does.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1328/silversurferv307513jx8.th.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7158/silversurferv3102p13hw9.th.jpg

I seriously doubt, that he is any lower than 3x as stong as Surfer.
You've got to remember dough SS powers comes from Galactus, probably G has got some way of nullifiying PC.. Ie. Dominus herald of Galactus fought King Thor and the Asgardian.. SS would not farewell against those kinds of odds.. yet when Dominus fought SS, his energy blast didnt have as much effect and at the end SS absorbs the PC from Dominus.. Thanos powers are not PC.. But could possibly have access to equall or maybe even rivals of that PC..

Originally posted by Roldz
You've got to remember dough SS powers comes from Galactus, probably G has got some way of nullifiying PC.. Ie. Dominus herald of Galactus fought King Thor and the Asgardian.. SS would not farewell against those kinds of odds.. yet when Dominus fought SS, his energy blast didnt have as much effect and at the end SS absorbs the PC from Dominus.. Thanos powers are not PC.. But could possibly have access to equall or maybe even rivals of that PC.. Shouldn't that have worked for Tyrant?

Plus what about Champion? Odin, Tyrant (still impresive, even if it wasn't all his power) Drax, Genis, etc?

Well i figure someone possessing PC given by Galactus would have very little effect on him... Tyrant was of diff. he was given the ability to absorb biospheric energies similar that of galactus.. and are far more powerfull than any of the heralds..
Thats why im saying Thanos has access to powers that equal or even rivals that of PC therefore harming G that way, im just arguing the fact that the reason why any of the heralds are not capable of doing those kind of attacks on G is because those powers where given by him and the other Anypower that comes from G would not have a big impact...
I dont know if im making sense.. Ill probably think better tommorrow, too tired right now...lol

Originally posted by Roldz
Well i figure someone possessing PC given by Galactus would have very little effect on him... Tyrant was of diff. he was given the ability to absorb biospheric energies similar that of galactus.. and are far more powerfull than any of the heralds..
Thats why im saying Thanos has access to powers that equal or even rivals that of PC therefore harming G that way, im just arguing the fact that the reason why any of the heralds are not capable of doing those kind of attacks on G is because those powers where given by him and the other Anypower that comes from G would not have a big impact...
I dont know if im making sense.. Ill probably think better tommorrow, too tired right now...lol Ya, your making sense.
But, it could still be the fact that he is quite weaker than him.
Isn't SS only 1/100's of Galactus's power?

I still think that Thanos is quite a bit higher than the Pre power up SS.

Yes his definetly weaker than him pre Annihilation.. Dont know about current one.. But he is supposed to do something very big and Spectacular along with G when they let loose.. comin from the writers..

I've always seen Thanos as more powerful than characters such as SS, Thor, Superman, etc. It may be because he consistently shrugs Herald lv characters off as if their nothing but small annoyances.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I've always seen Thanos as more powerful than characters such as SS, Thor, Superman, etc. It may be because he consistently shrugs Herald lv characters off as if their nothing but small annoyances. That's the way I see it too.

Yes its the way we all see it. However to say that he has 9 times the power of SS is a little overboard. You don't even have to have twice the power of someone else to be able to shrug them off. For example SS can shrug off Red shift with minimal effort on most occasions, but he is not twice as powerful as him. If anything Red shift is around 80-85 power level while SS is at 100 power level, on the scale were using here of course.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Yes its the way we all see it. However to say that he has 9 times the power of SS is a little overboard. You don't even have to have twice the power of someone else to be able to shrug them off. For example SS can shrug off Red shift with minimal effort on most occasions, but he is not twice as powerful as him. If anything Red shift is around 80-85 power level while SS is at 100 power level, on the scale were using here of course.

I agree. I wasn't arguing that Thaons wasn't more powerful, just that he might not be quite that much more powerful.