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The chaos wave have become quite popular, so I wonder:

Here Wanda, have full control over the power of the Chaos wave, how far will that take her?

1. Franklin Richards -Galactus (Alternate future)
2. Dark Phoenix
3. Eternity
4. Phoenix of the White Crown
5. Evil Molecule man
6. Abraxas with the Ultimate Nullifier
7. Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
8. Living Tribunal
9. Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
10. Pre-retcon Beyonder

If you dissagree with the order of the list you can change it.

Wanda clears it. Only TOAA can stop her from all I have read in this forum, which to me is just plain ludicrous.

Realistically Wanda could NEVER have full control over the wave, her body could never handle it.

But if we are to assume that she has full control, then id say she stops at #8, if she made it past that she WILL NOT get past Thanos /w/ THOTU, though he isnt as wise as TOAA Thanos did possess his power. Wanda will not be making it past that, and we all know how much i like wanda

Originally posted by Galan777
Realistically Wanda could NEVER have full control over the wave, her body could never handle it.

But if we are to assume that she has full control, then id say she stops at #8, if she made it past that she WILL NOT get past Thanos /w/ THOTU, though he isnt as wise as TOAA Thanos did possess his power. Wanda will not be making it past that, and we all know how much i like wanda
Thanos would with time get the omnisience, you saw that it took him time to adjust to the power.
(First a celestial . . . than all the others . . . and than the abstracts)

I think classic Beyonder would equal him:
Reason:
Beyonder did not have the power of "millions of Multi-verses"
He had the power of the "rest of the Multi-verse" (All the power that existed) millions of times combinded.

Why such a limited amount? -- Molecule man had a fraction (appearently less than a millionth peice) of Beyonder's power.
And he was present in the Multi-verse.

Power of the writers.

So IMO: PR Beyonder = TOAA = Thanos THOTU

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However I do Belive she would only get to Abraxas:
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen462page18hk7.jpg

"And since your idiot Sibling smashed the Nullifier, we can't exice the infected `brane and cauterize the wound."

This means that the Nullfiier would be able to remake everything the wave unmakes.
In other words neutralize the effect.
Than it's down to: Abraxas vs strained Wanda . . .

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
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However I do Belive she would only get to Abraxas:
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen462page18hk7.jpg

"And since your idiot Sibling smashed the Nullifier, we can't exice the infected `brane and cauterize the wound."

This means that the Nullfiier would be able to remake everything the wave unmakes.
In other words neutralize the effect.
Than it's down to: Abraxas vs strained Wanda . . . Well all the Nullifier has been SHOWN on pannel doing is destroying and remaking the multiverse, and that is how i based my oppinion. Wanda /w/ full control of the wave, we are talking erasing and altering EVERYTHING, not just the multiverse

Originally posted by Galan777
Well all the Nullifier has been SHOWN on pannel doing is destroying and remaking the multiverse, and that is how i based my oppinion. Wanda /w/ full control of the wave, we are talking erasing and altering EVERYTHING, not just the multiverse
The Multiverse?
"Multi"-"verse": "More than one" "reality"
"Omni"-"verse": "Every" "reality"

All/The rest- of the Multi-verse: All realities as well.

Multi-verse is a group: from 2 to infinity
Omni-verse is every: allways infinity.

I am not sure if the Nullifier could destroy "all of the Multi-verse"/Omniverse.
But they did say that it could neutralize the chaos wave.

I put the Chaos wave, equal to Mxyztplk.
Both could (or did) screw up all realities.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Multiverse?
"Multi"-"verse": "More than one" "reality"
"Omni"-"verse": "Every" "reality"

All/The rest- of the Multi-verse: All realities as well.

Multi-verse is a group: from 2 to infinity
Omni-verse is every: allways infinity.

I am not sure if the Nullifier could destroy "all of the Multi-verse"/Omniverse.
But they did say that it could neutralize the chaos wave.

I put the Chaos wave, equal to Mxyztplk.
Both could (or did) screw up all realities. Well Mxy destroyed and altered reality far more then Wanda IMO

I say to 9 and we are putting Beyonder past God now?

id say Thanos /w/ THOTU and Beyonder are about equal

Well The name "The One Above All" would seem to denote that no one is eqaul. In essence it's God.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well The name "The One Above All" would seem to denote that no one is eqaul. In essence it's God. I understand that, but do we really know if Thanos had ALL of TOAA's power? Because he certainly didnt have TOAA's omniscents. Also Beyonder had the power of the writers, so:

Beyonder=Thanos /w/ THOTU IMO

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I belive the "House of M" was retconned as well. Nah, HOM was never retconned

I agree with you there, I'm just saying I don't think they are equal to TOAA.

Shouldn't Living Tribunal be #10?

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Shouldn't Living Tribunal be #10? nah beyonder/Thanos /w/ THOTU are above him

Originally posted by Galan777
Realistically Wanda could NEVER have full control over the wave, her body could never handle it.

Where did you read that?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Where did you read that? That was nothing by my assumption, not fact by any means...... I just dont see her being able to control it to the fullest, because she never had anywhere near full control during HOM. Thats just my oppinion though.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos would with time get the omnisience, you saw that it took him time to adjust to the power.

Thanos never showed any sign of getting the TOAA's Authority.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I think classic Beyonder would equal him:
Reason:
Beyonder did not have the power of "millions of Multi-verses"
He had the power of the "rest of the Multi-verse" (All the power that existed) millions of times combinded.

Beyonder had all the power that existed between 1984 and 86, after that the New Universe was introduced in November 1986, and Beyonder went from everything Outside the Multi-verse, to ONE Infinite Universe.

Beyonder had the Power of ONE Multi-verse, Millions of times over.

TOAA has increased his once ONE Multi-verse to an INFINITE number of Multi-verses, that's MORE than Millions, MORE than Billions, MORE than any number you can think of.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Why such a limited amount? -- Molecule man had a fraction (appearently less than a millionth peice) of Beyonder's power.
And he was present in the Multi-verse.

Your speculatting and without evidence, the evidence points to a Molucule Man that was quite close to the Beyonder in Power.


When Beyonder and Molecule Man battled, Molecule Man almost had a chance of winning

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9239/b2rk9.th.jpg


Beyonder speaking, "You had a CHANCE, it's Unbelievable that you did"
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4562/b3hw2.th.jpg

Molecule Man lost, but that doesn't sound to me like "less than a millionth piece"

"a millionth piece" would have been BLINKED away.




Also, When Beyonder releases ALL of his Power that should have ERASED the ONE Marvel Multi-verse:


Reed knows if they kill the Beyonder baby, it will wipe out the Multi-verse.

"The Power contained in that Device is the Power of the Beyonder"
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7228/buni7qi7.th.jpg
"If that Energy is Loosed, it could DESTROY EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE in One blinding white flash"

Molecule Man kills the helpless baby Beyonder turned himself into
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8315/buni8ou3.th.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5706/buni9sw7.th.jpg

The Beyonder's Energy is released
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8218/buni10jd6.th.jpg
"The child screams...and the END begins"

Just like Reed said "one blinding white flash"
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7535/buni11eg5.th.jpg

But somehow they survive
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9025/buni12vu1.th.jpg

How?

Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/2981/buni6ag1.th.jpg

So AGAIN, Now Molecule Man was able to DIVERT the Beyonder's Power (which should have incinerated Everything) into the Portal that lead to the Beyond Realm.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Power of the writers.

This means nothing in a versus Thread.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
However I do Belive she would only get to Abraxas:

"And since your idiot Sibling smashed the Nullifier, we can't exice the infected `brane and cauterize the wound."

This means that the Nullfiier would be able to remake everything the wave unmakes.
In other words neutralize the effect.. . .

"In other words"?

You mean in YOUR Words.

The Celestial Nullifier was NOT going to stop the Wave.

The Celestial Nullifier was going to cut off it's PATH of destruction, that's all, by separating it's next Meal (BRANE 616) from the Omni-verse.


And if Wanda has FULL control of the Wave, UNLIKE the mindless Chaos Wave of HOM, ain't no one going to stop her.

If the Power of the Beyonders was not enough, and a "TINY Bit of their Power" can create Cosmic Containment Units that can become Universes, Create Universes and beings that can collapse a Multiverse.


"And this is just the beginning"
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3614/c3qz2.th.jpg

"ALL the dimensions there are CRASHED into One"
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4164/chaoslb3.th.jpg

It already had Obliterated a bunch of Universes and it was just getting started

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7848/s3ph7.th.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Multi-verse is a group: from 2 to infinity
Omni-verse is every: allways infinity.

I guess we can throw opinions around until we see this:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7421/multieternity16do.th.jpg

The Marvel Multi-verses are INFINITE.

NOT 2 or 3 or a billion billion Universes, INFINITE number of Universes.

And the Omni-verse is an INFINITE number of Multi-verses.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I am not sure if the Nullifier could destroy "all of the Multi-verse"/Omniverse.

On Panel, the Ultimate Nullifier, destroyed and Remade ONE Multi-verse.

Anything more is speculative.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But they did say that it could neutralize the chaos wave.

That's the way you read it, but that's not true at all.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I put the Chaos wave, equal to Mxyztplk.
Both could (or did) screw up all realities.

The ONLY plausible threat to Wanda with FULL control of the Chaos Wave is THOTU

The chaos wave was the result of tamperings to 616. It derives from 616. Get rid of 616 you get rid of the chaos wave. Hence Saturnynes plan.


The chaos wave was stopped by merely closing off the hole in the 616 brane. It isnt a great power. Its like a fire. Easily stopped however if it is left to grow and rage out of control then it becomes a threat.

The chaos wave attacked the branes of alternate realities causing the structures to topple down. Its not like it was some force that went inside the universe punking every cosmic being within. Jubilee could blow up the support columns of a building housing the X-men. The structure topples and kills them all. Does that then mean Jubilee is greater or powerful than the X-men within, that she could have taken them head on?

In the end the Chaos wave was halted by the mutant Meggan, before it was completely dissipated by a handful of mutants. How did they do this? By merely sealing the tear in reality that spawned the wave.

Wanda with control of the wave would get punked by everyone on that list.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda with control of the wave would get punked by everyone on that list.

And Now you see why I call them fanboys.

Read HOM #1
The wave emmits from Genosha where she is.

Read HOM #8
The wave emmites from her as she say No More Mutants.

Sorry GalaticFanboy, You prolly should've stayed away while you still had a shred of dignity.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
And Now you see why I call them fanboys.

Read HOM #1
The wave emmits from Genosha where she is.

Read HOM #8
The wave emmites from her as she say No More Mutants.

Sorry GalaticFanboy, You prolly should've stayed away while you still had a shred of dignity.

Silly boy.

The main HOM title had nothing whatsoever to do with the chaos wave it wasnt mentioned or depicted once. The white flash in the main title was the reality warp which created the HOM reality.

The chaos wave was the result of a tear Wandas manipulations caused in the 616 brane as depicted in Uncanny X-men. The title which actually dealy with the chaos wave.

Get with it please

Show scans of that please, cause I wouldnt trust anything you say on the subject.

And even so, Wanda can take down the Omniverse and that alone puts her at par with THOTU.

Actually the Chaos Wave is the Phoenix Force it self am I correct GS?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The main HOM title had nothing whatsoever to do with the chaos wave it wasnt mentioned or depicted once. The white flash in the main title was the reality warp which created the HOM reality.

This is True.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The chaos wave was the result of a tear Wandas manipulations caused in the 616 brane as depicted in Uncanny X-men.

Wanda CREATED the Chaos Wave

"a trans-temporal Tsunami. ORIGINATING from Earth 616" (where Wanda is)

It was "an alteration of global proportions that breached the walls of causality"
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7540/sc7qm2.th.jpg

The Chaos Wave ONLY existed because of Wanda.

Wanda has Chaos Magic, and the it's called the Chaos Wave.... duh.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Actually the Chaos Wave is the Phoenix Force it self am I correct GS?



Good one Juggs

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Actually the Chaos Wave is the Phoenix Force it self am I correct GS?

Grow up son. Participate in the debate or be silent. Your immature attempts to insult me personally do not affect the debate in any way.

Wait

Isnt the Chaos Wave, what used to be Marvel's source or magic, kind of like the speed force for magic users?

That is before, Bendis was an idiot and retconned it.

A part of me still hates him for that

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Grow up son. Participate in the debate or be silent. Your immature attempts to insult me personally do not affect the debate in any way.


Oh....God....The IRONY!!!!!

You have never offered anything but unfounded statements youve proviced no scans or proof of.

Her ability to potetailly wipe out the Omniverse puts her on par with THOTU.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is True.




Wanda CREATED the Chaos Wave

"a trans-temporal Tsunami. ORIGINATING from Earth 616" (where Wanda is)

It was "an alteration of global proportions that breached the walls of causality"
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7540/sc7qm2.th.jpg

The Chaos Wave ONLY existed because of Wanda.

Wanda has Chaos Magic, and the it's called the Chaos Wave.... duh.

The chaos wave was nothing but the spillover of the reality warp into other dimensions.

Wandas tamperings accidentally caused a rip in the dimensional barrier and there was a spillover. The chaos wave was not controlled or directly generated by Wanda. It was also easily stopped by an insignificant mutant. Thats the crux of the matter. The chaos wave never defeated anything head on it attacked the dimensional wall of an alternate reality causing it to collapse. Does that make it more powerful than any and all forces within said reality?

Again i say if Jubille collapsed a building on the X-men while they were in side unaware does that make her greater than the X-men? Could she defeat them head on if they were aware and faced her?

When the heroes were made aware of the wave, its progress was halted by the insignificant mutant Meggan and the problem was ended by merely sealing the breach in 616.

Provide proof of what you say with scans cause no one around here is going to take YOUR word for it.

Her ability to potetailly wipe out the Omniverse puts her on par with THOTU.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Provide proof of what you say with scans cause no one around here is going to take YOUR word for it.

Her ability to potetailly wipe out the Omniverse puts her on par with THOTU.

shes nowhere as powerful as people think.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Grow up son. Participate in the debate or be silent. Your immature attempts to insult me personally do not affect the debate in any way.
No you should grow up you think every one is so stupid that will believe your sensless bullshit ???? No!!!! For a while now you are only a joke!!!

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
No you should grow up you think every one is so stupid that will believe your sensless bullshit ???? No!!!! For a while now you are only a joke!!!

Thank you I've been waiting for someone else to say that.

Chaos wave as nothing but the spillover of the HOM reality through a dimensional tear:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018233635.jpg


Not something directly generated or controlled by Wanda.

Solution marked out as merely closing the dimensional tear:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360574.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360540.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360515.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360544.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360620.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360684.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360657.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360610.jpg

The mutant Meggan halts the waves progress whilst a few mutants seal the tear stopping the threat of the "all powerful" Chaos wave

Originally posted by Supreme being
shes nowhere as powerful as people think.

Wanda's power can still wipe out reality and the Omniverse the same way THOTU can. That puts them on the same level.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Wanda's power can still wipe out reality and the Omniverse the same way THOTU can. That puts them on the same level.

How? Did you know that its never been stated on panel that Wanda warped the entire universe, just that she warped reality. However it has been stated on panel by Roma that Wanda altered Earth, that it was a "global alteration"

Youre overrating the girl.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How? Did you know that its never been stated on panel that Wanda warped the entire universe, just that she warped reality. However it has been stated on panel by Roma that Wanda altered Earth, that it was a "global alteration"

Youre overrating the girl.
You idiot Wanda re-created the 616 universe time and time again

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How? Did you know that its never been stated on panel that Wanda warped the entire universe, just that she warped reality. However it has been stated on panel by Roma that Wanda altered Earth, that it was a "global alteration"

Youre overrating the girl. Isn't that like LT bowing down to Phoenix?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You idiot Wanda re-created the 616 universe time and time again

Where did that happen? What proof have you of that? She warped reality for sure just as stated, but the only on panel statement referring to the extent of this warp was by Roma and she said it was "GLOBAL"

Originally posted by bigbran
Isn't that like LT bowing down to Phoenix?

Not at all. Lets not sidetrack here. After this Wanda business has been dealt with i'll get back to that issue.

Originally posted by Galan777
nah beyonder/Thanos /w/ THOTU are above him

But I was told many times that he was the most powerful being in comics.

Originally posted by bigbran
Isn't that like LT bowing down to Phoenix?
Do you see Gs ??? This is What I'm telling you every one makes fun of you .

Abraxas, Franklin as galactus, and are the only ppl going down.....

"No more whoever is standing in front of me!!!"

Mr M has already delt with how Wanda could destroy the Omniverse, I'm not going to waste my time repeating his words to a Fanboy who ignored them the first time.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Do you see Gs ??? This is What I'm telling you every one makes fun of you .

Ignorance. The only people who try and insult me are newcomers to the forums who have missed past debates.

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
But I was told many times that he was the most powerful being in comics. LT is 2nd only to TOAA....... Thanos /w/ THOTU=TOAA's power (this is how Thanos absorbed LT) and the Beyonder has done MUCH more on pannel then LT ever has, which is why he is below those 2

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Mr M has already delt with how Wanda could destroy the Omniverse, I'm not going to waste my time repeating his words to a Fanboy who ignored them the first time.

Mr M's point flops now that ive highlighted the fact that the chaos wave is and was easily stopped by a band of mutants. Its not as great as you've been deluded into thinking it is.

Again and hopefully for the last time, if Jubilee brought down a house with members of the X-men inside and unaware, and the destruction kills them, does that make Jubilee more powerful than the members inside. Could she take them out head on?

The chaos wave eroded a dimensional barrier causing the laws of an alternate reality to collapse. (Liken it to Jubilee collapsing the building on people who would otherwise kick her ass in a direct confrontation.)

However when a bunch of mutants were made aware of the problem it was easily stopped.

Do you understand now?

I've read your past debates you are the main reason I came up with the term "Fanboy" in the first place. You have made some REALLY outragous statements and your rep on here is abotu as bad as that David Richards guy's was.

Originally posted by Galan777
LT is 2nd only to TOAA....... Thanos /w/ THOTU=TOAA's power (this is how Thanos absorbed LT) and the Beyonder has done MUCH more on pannel then LT ever has, which is why he is below those 2

Save that for another thread because everyone will go off on a tangent.

Originally posted by Galan777
LT is 2nd only to TOAA....... Thanos /w/ THOTU=TOAA's power (this is how Thanos absorbed LT) and the Beyonder has done MUCH more on pannel then LT ever has, which is why he is below those 2

But you just said he was second ONLY to Thanos with THOTU. Where does Beyonder fit into that?

This from the king of outragous and outlandish statements.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
I've read your past debates you are the main reason I came up with the term "Fanboy" in the first place. You have made some REALLY outragous statements and your rep on here is abotu as bad as that David Richards guy's was.

Forget the hostility son, this is a comic forum. I actually laugh at how worked up you people get sometimes

Instead of insulting why dont you address the point ive brought up otherwise call it a day

Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
But you just said he was second ONLY to Thanos with THOTU. Where does Beyonder fit into that? Here, checkout the respect thread, it should answer some of ure questions:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The chaos wave was nothing but the spillover of the reality warp into other dimensions. Wandas tamperings accidentally caused a rip in the dimensional barrier and there was a spillover. The chaos wave was not controlled or directly generated by Wanda. It was also easily stopped by an insignificant mutant. Thats the crux of the matter. The chaos wave never defeated anything head on it attacked the dimensional wall of an alternate reality causing it to collapse. Does that make it more powerful than any and all forces within said reality? Again i say if Jubille collapsed a building on the X-men while they were in side unaware does that make her greater than the X-men? Could she defeat them head on if they were aware and faced her? When the heroes were made aware of the wave, its progress was halted by the insignificant mutant Meggan and the problem was ended by merely sealing the breach in 616.


stfu2

Originally posted by bigbran
Isn't that like LT bowing down to Phoenix?

I'm really hoping you have those scans, of the ultimate fallacy committed by you know who.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Forget the hostility son, this is a comic forum. I actually laugh at how worked up you people get sometimes

Instead of insulting why dont you address the point ive brought up otherwise call it a day

Please, you ignore anything you don't like and then bring it up again later thinking people forgot.

Youve been proven wrong time and time again and your rep on here is smashed beyond repair.

Originally posted by Mr Master
stfu2

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where did that happen? What proof have you of that? She warped reality for sure just as stated, but the only on panel statement referring to the extent of this warp was by Roma and she said it was "GLOBAL"



"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg


AGAIN


http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/7594/w1vi8.th.jpg

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/6563/w2bu5.th.jpg


AGAIN


http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8128/w3qs5.th.jpg

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/3286/w4tp9.th.jpg


AGAIN


http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5451/w5iw8.th.jpg



GO READ COMICS my child.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I guess we can throw opinions around until we see this:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7421/multieternity16do.th.jpg

The Marvel Multi-verses are INFINITE.

NOT 2 or 3 or a billion billion Universes, INFINITE number of Universes.

And the Omni-verse is an INFINITE number of Multi-verses.



Hate to interject, but something is bothering me with this picture. Captain Universe says that our universe was thought to be boundless, but it does have a beginning and an end. But in the very next sentence, he refers to it as being boundless again. Which is it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg


AGAIN


http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/7594/w1vi8.th.jpg

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/6563/w2bu5.th.jpg


AGAIN


http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8128/w3qs5.th.jpg

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/3286/w4tp9.th.jpg


AGAIN


http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5451/w5iw8.th.jpg



GO READ COMICS my child.

I take it thats from Exiles? Could you tell me what issue so that i could read it for myself as opposed to being shown carefully selected scans.

On top of that the omniversal guardian states that Roma warped Earth 616, that the extent was just global. So a comment about how Wanda is remaking 616 again could easily be interpreted in line with that.

Either way, who is the more reputable source, Roma or an Exile?

Originally posted by Mr Master
stfu2

So once again you've come up against a point you cant counter and instead of admitting it you mock the points and carry on spouting your rubbish regardless.

Please address the points.

The chaos wave as shown is conclusively just spillover of one reality into another, it was neither generated or controlled by Wanda.

Even if it was under her control the fact that it was so easily stopped by insignificant powers illustrates the fact that youre overrating it.

He did address the points but you ignore it and twist it.

Do you not get that your rep is ruined on her? David Richards would have a better chance of gettting people to listen then you.

You are everything I find objectionable about Phoenic Fanboys.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
He did address the points but you ignore it and twist it.

Do you not get that your rep is ruined on her? David Richards would have a better chance of gettting people to listen then you.

You are everything I find objectionable about Phoenic Fanboys.

What exactly have i twisted?

I have an on panel statement from a reputable source stating and depicting my point (Roma with her global alteration comment)

On top of that i have shown that the wave was neither generated by or controlled by Wanda.

Plus ive shown that even if it was the wave can quite easily be stopped by insignificant powers.

And Mr M has posted scan countering yours, but as a true fanboy you don't listen at all.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ignorance. The only people who try and insult me are newcomers to the forums who have missed past debates. Is this adressed to me?

I am only bringing up, things that never happened.

You say Wanda never destroyed anything too high.
I say kind of like how LT was bowing to Pheonix.
I'm sure you remember what I'm talking about here.

well the thing did say wanda with full control of the chaos wave...thats assuming that at this juncture it is something tangible, and mutable that she could weild at will...do i think she is slightly overrated...a little, especially seeing as how she did all this unknowingly, but still Roma said that if allowed to continue it would end existence as we know it

the crux of the matter is, if she has(acknowledgable) control of the wave she would be quite a force to be reckoned with, cuz at this point she would be a living manifestation of chaos...affecting causality at infinately more powerful levels than she's normally capable of..now if you're an old school comic fan like me you'll know that Wanda didnt really have magical powers per se, she just altered probablity then she learned to use chaos magic to amp those abilties to insane levels, but with the full backing of the chaos wave she would be practically unstoppable.

this is gonna draw the ire of fanboys aplenty, but dare i say since the PF is loosely an agent of order, a full chaos wave powered wanda would be the opposite side of the same coin as jean grey at her fullest.. that's why i believe that any incarnation of the phoenix could only serve to stalemate her.....that being said.. exept for those who are equal to the PF or above "No more whoever is standing in front of me!!!"

Originally posted by manjaro
well the thing did say wanda with full control of the chaos wave...thats assuming that at this juncture it is something tangible, and mutable that she could weild at will...do i think she is slightly overrated...a little, especially seeing as how she did all this unknowingly, but still Roma said that if allowed to continue it would end existence as we know it

the crux of the matter is, if she has(acknowledgable) control of the wave she would be quite a force to be reckoned with, cuz at this point she would be a living manifestation of chaos...affecting causality at infinately more powerful levels than she's normally capable of..now if you're an old school comic fan like me you'll know that Wanda didnt really have magical powers per se, she just altered probablity then she learned to use chaos magic to amp those abilties to insane levels, but with the full backing of the chaos wave she would be practically unstoppable.

this is gonna draw the ire of fanboys aplenty, but dare i say since the PF is loosely an agent of order, a full chaos wave powered wanda would be the opposite side of the same coin as jean grey at her fullest.. that's why i believe that any incarnation of the phoenix could only serve to stalemate her.....that being said.. exept for those who are equal to the PF or above "No more whoever is standing in front of me!!!"

The chaos wave was only a threat if left unchecked, When it was tackled head on a significant power wasnt required. In the same way a fire if left unchecked can do millions of pounds of damage over many blocks, but tackle it headon and it wont make it past the frying pan.


On top of that Wanda is a reality manipulator, her powesr are dependent on reality. Take her outside of it and shes powerless. Shes a manipulator not a creator.

oh and those scans are from when beak wanted to go back home, and 616 was being scanned from that crystal palace place, so its quite reputable not that im trying to jump into the fray of unending personal insults and also the other scans with the bright lights IIRC that only happened once,(after she said no more mutants) and each panel was just different ppl experiencing it, in thier own frame of reference but it wasnt something that was done over and over

im all for heated and open debates but we cant manipulate scans to suit or arguments

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Hate to interject, but something is bothering me with this picture. Captain Universe says that our universe was thought to be boundless, but it does have a beginning and an end. But in the very next sentence, he refers to it as being boundless again. Which is it?

He's talking about the PRIOR Universe, the One where Galactus was saved by the Sentience of the Universe (Eternity).

Originally posted by bigbran
Is this adressed to me?

I am only bringing up, things that never happened.

You say Wanda never destroyed anything too high.
I say kind of like how LT was bowing to Pheonix.
I'm sure you remember what I'm talking about here.

Bran, bring out the Scans and chop this tree of bull shit down please.

For all of us, do it now.

He's trying to pull the same tricks now, show him the error of his ways.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bran, bring out the Scans and chop this tree of bull shit down please.

For all of us, do it now.

He's trying to pull the same tricks now, show him the error of his ways. It's true, isn't it?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=366709&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2
It's somewhere on that page....

Originally posted by manjaro
and each panel was just different ppl experiencing it, in thier own frame of reference but it wasnt something that was done over and over


im all for heated and open debates but we cant manipulate scans to suit or arguments

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... AGAIN"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


Just to clear that up.

Originally posted by manjaro
oh and those scans are from when beak wanted to go back home, and 616 was being scanned from that crystal palace place, so its quite reputable not that im trying to jump into the fray of unending personal insults and also the other scans with the bright lights IIRC that only happened once,(after she said no more mutants) and each panel was just different ppl experiencing it, in thier own frame of reference but it wasnt something that was done over and over

im all for heated and open debates but we cant manipulate scans to suit or arguments

Thank u for your input Manjaro, im glad you've highlighted MrMasters hypocrisy when it comes to scans.

I think i'll add this page to my favorites

Your point about the reality warp comment doesnt change the fact that saying 616 is being warped(given that Roma has previously defined the extent of Wandas warp as restricted to Earth 616) can be interpreted in line with Romas comments

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The chaos wave was only a threat if left unchecked, When it was tackled head on a significant power wasnt required. In the same way a fire if left unchecked can do millions of pounds of damage over many blocks, but tackle it headon and it wont make it past the frying pan.




Originally posted by GalacticStorm
On top of that Wanda is a reality manipulator, her powesr are dependent on reality. Take her outside of it and shes powerless. Shes a manipulator not a creator.

Funny, how did she create her children again?

How did she create Layla Miller again?


And what the heck has the White Phoenix created?

NOTHING.

White Phoenix of the Crown has NEVER Destroyed, Remad or Created a Universe.

Atleast Wanda Re-created the 616 reality

Originally posted by bigbran
Is this adressed to me?

I am only bringing up, things that never happened.

You say Wanda never destroyed anything too high.
I say kind of like how LT was bowing to Pheonix.
I'm sure you remember what I'm talking about here.

I said many a time in debate that LT was bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger, which was the case. The whole process Stranger was taking advantage of was brought about by the Phoenix as stated on panel several times hence the central image of Jean.

Lets not get into this now but i will gladly address this point in the appropriate thread once this Wanda issue has been dealt with. Why bring that up here?

She gets to 6

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3277/1qd1.th.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/29/2zj0.th.jpg

He even threw in an extra close up

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7308/3ur4.th.jpg


You CUT OFF the Stranger to make others believe they were Bowing to Jean, freakin Phony.

I've known of your style for a long time, but this is the proof of what you are.


The REAL SCAN

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg

They're Bowing to the STRANGER

Originally posted by Mr Master
Funny, how did she create her children again?

How did she create Layla Miller again?


And what the heck has the White Phoenix created?

NOTHING.

White Phoenix of the Crown has NEVER Destroyed, Remad or Created a Universe.

Atleast Wanda Re-created the 616 reality

Your point about creating her children and Layla, what does that have to do with the post of mine you've quoted?

Jean has shown the ability to manipulate matter on a universal scale with ease and at the atomic level. With that in mind Jean could very well create or destroy a universe if that was her desire.

Its like Rachel Grey manipulating the atomic structure of a dress then arguing that because shes not shown either creating or destroying the dress she couldnt?

And now,

the REAL STORY:



It was this fallacy that got that rumor started. (wonder by who?)

On the Scan that never existed....

let me break it down for you.

Scan 1:

Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to US....

Already proved this many times over... the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which recycles it (a self perpetuating process)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/82/1tj1.th.jpg


Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestials were created by Eternity.


Scan 2:

Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."


NOTHING about Phoenix.

"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)

"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...


Ok, I'm sure you see now that the Stranger WANTS to BE ABLE to do... what Humans WILL BE ABLE to do one day.

(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...

because one day WE (Humans), will NOT need the Abstracts or even the Living Tribunal...

they will be as NOTHING to US (Humans).

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg

"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."


How does he PLAN to do that?....


AT one time some even thought it would be with the power of Phoenix.

But I think not.


Scan 3 & 4:

The Stranger was going to use 5 (FIVE) individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now... to Engulf the cosmos"

Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9540/3bk8.th.jpg


More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...

NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4319/4jj0.th.jpg

"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"


notworthy------------------>nono

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I said many a time in debate that LT was bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger, which was the case. The whole process Stranger was taking advantage of was brought about by the Phoenix as stated on panel several times hence the central image of Jean.

Lets not get into this now but i will gladly address this point in the appropriate thread once this Wanda issue has been dealt with. Why bring that up here?
You are a true idiot that scan has nothing to do with Stranger enhanced by the Phoenix force it says that humanity will evolve into Eternity

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums





http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3277/1qd1.th.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/29/2zj0.th.jpg

He even threw in an extra close up

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7308/3ur4.th.jpg


You CUT OFF the Stranger to make others believe they were Bowing to Jean, freakin Phony.

I've known of your style for a long time, but this is the proof of what you are.


The REAL SCAN

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg

Please look at the quality of those scans. They were taken with my camera fone back before i knew about downloading comics. Hence the reason why the picture is taken in segments. Try getting a good clear picture of the whole scene with a camera phone.

My commentary about the scenes shows no deception.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And now,

the REAL STORY:



It was this fallacy that got that rumor started. (wonder by who?)

On the Scan that never existed....

let me break it down for you.

Scan 1:

Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to US....

Already proved this many times over... the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which recycles it (a self perpetuating process)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/82/1tj1.th.jpg


Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestials were created by Eternity.


Scan 2:

Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."


NOTHING about Phoenix.

"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)

"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...


Ok, I'm sure you see now that the Stranger WANTS to BE ABLE to do... what Humans WILL BE ABLE to do one day.

(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...

because one day WE (Humans), will NOT need the Abstracts or even the Living Tribunal...

they will be as NOTHING to US (Humans).

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg

"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."


How does he PLAN to do that?....


AT one time some even thought it would be with the power of Phoenix.

But I think not.


Scan 3 & 4:

The Stranger was going to use 5 (FIVE) individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now... to Engulf the cosmos"

Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9540/3bk8.th.jpg


More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...

NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4319/4jj0.th.jpg

"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"


notworthy------------------>nono You forgot the part, where it took Phoenix, Juggernaut, and Iceman to beat Stranger.

Once again, Mr Master not being able to counter tries to disguise that fact through insults and through the introduction of off topic subjects to the debate.

We'll address that issue separately after this has been dealt with. Please counter my points or concede

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please look at the quality of those scans. They were taken with my camera fone back before i knew about downloading comics. Hence the reason why the picture is taken in segments. Trying getting a good clear picture of the whole scene with a camera phone.

My commentary about the scenes shows no deception. I even showed the thread.
You said they were bowing to Phoenix.

You didn't even mention Stranger. It even seemed like you were cutting off Stranger, but again, you showed no deception.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Once again, Mr Master not being able to counter tries to disguise that fact through insults and through the introduction of off topic subjects to the debate.

We'll address that issue separately after this has been dealt with. Please counter my points or concede How about you take it here?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348586&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Looks like GS is getting PWNED again!!!

Originally posted by bigbran
I even showed the thread.
You said they were bowing to Phoenix.

You didn't even mention Stranger. It even seemed like you were cutting off Stranger, but again, you showed no deception.

Look through debates on the issue and see how many times ive said they are bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. A Stranger made supreme through the Phoenixes involvement.

Take this issue up in another thread. Or have you been PMed by Mr M to help disguise the fact that he has no counter to the ON TOPIC argument?

Originally posted by bigbran
How about you take it here?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=348586&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Gladly. After we've dealt with the Wanda issue.

AND BUSTED!


Did you read his excuse?

I just nodded my head.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Looks like GS is getting PWNED again!!!

How so? With regards to the topic of this thread we're posting in im sorry to break it to you acolyte but your masters getting a whupping most fierce

Thats the very reason why hes trying to change the subject.

Originally posted by bigbran
You forgot the part, where it took Phoenix, Juggernaut, and Iceman to beat Stranger.

Oh yea, the "Phoenix enhanced Stranger"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Look through debates on the issue and see how many times ive said they are bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. A Stranger made supreme through the Phoenixes involvement.

Take this issue up in another thread. Or have you been PMed by Mr M to help disguise the fact that he has no counter to the ON TOPIC argument? Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You are a true idiot that scan has nothing to do with Stranger enhanced by the Phoenix force it says that humanity will evolve into Eternity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How so? With regards to the topic of this thread we're posting in im sorry to break it to you acolyte but your masters getting a whupping most fierce

I think you better CRAWL back from where you came.

Your days are over at KMC.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think you better CRAWL back from where you came.

Your days are over at KMC.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Looks like GS is getting PWNED again!!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Look through debates on the issue and see how many times ive said they are bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. A Stranger made supreme through the Phoenixes involvement. How about I look through where you posted the damn thing, and counter that instead.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=366709&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Take this issue up in another thread. Or have you been PMed by Mr M to help disguise the fact that he has no counter to the ON TOPIC argument? So, do you think I just follow Mr M around?
You almost brought a good case to the table.

What kind of shit is this?
"Or have you been PMed by Mr M to help disguise the fact that he has no counter to the ON TOPIC argument? "
You have to be kidding.

We'll deal with that later. Back on topic please

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How so? With regards to the topic of this thread we're posting in im sorry to break it to you acolyte but your masters getting a whupping most fierce

Thats the very reason why hes trying to change the subject. Actually, I'm changing the subject. I/me/Bigbran is changing it.
I bumped the thread.

Go on with the original discussion.

Originally posted by bigbran
Actually, I'm changing the subject. I/me/Bigbran is changing it.
I bumped the thread.

Go on with the original discussion.

Im doing very well on this thread. Ive invested a few hours of my time in it (quite successfully i might add ) therefore im not going to jump to a new topic because the opposition has run out of steam and isnt man enough to concede

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im doing very well on this thread. Ive invested a few hours of my time in it (quite successfully i might add ) therefore im not going to jump to a new topic because the opposition has run out of steam and isnt man enough to concede Did I ever say, go to the thread?
I just said I bumped it.

I posted it, and the rest was up to you.
If you don't want to go to it, who is forcing you?

Originally posted by bigbran
Did I ever say, go to the thread?
I just said I bumped it.

I posted it, and the rest was up to you.
If you don't want to go to it, who is forcing you?

I will gladly go there after this issue has been dealt with.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I will gladly go there after this issue has been dealt with. OK, then continue with this discussion.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK, then continue with this discussion.

Not that i needed your permission but thank u BeBe.

Cool so just to reiterate:

The chaos wave is just spillover over one reality into another through a dimensional tear.

It is NOT a manifestation of Wandas power. NOT something she generated or controlled.

The Chaos wave was stopped in its tracks by the insignficant Megan before being taken out of the equation by merely sealing the dimensional breach.

Cool.

Bedtime for me. Nite nite.

GalaticFanboy,

Wether or nto you see Mr M's points like normal people do the topic is Wanda WITH full control, meaning for the purposes of this thread she has total control.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
GalaticFanboy,

Wether or nto you see Mr M's points like normal people do the topic is Wanda WITH full control, meaning for the purposes of this thread she has total control.

Yep and just so you know ive illustrated that even with the chaos wave at her hand Wanda doesnt cut it as the chaos wave isnt anything major.

It was stopped quite easily by insignificant powers.

Ive made that point quite a few times. I take it you havent been following?

Hopefully you understand why your masters argument is still very much toilet material?

Hey GS you are back. Its good to have you back, even though this is coming from a newb to this forum. The reason I started coming here on a regular basis was to read your posts.

To everyone else, discuss the topic and stop bashing GS. Some people here are just bashing him based on his reputation and not because they read what he wrote and that us just ****ed up. A while back GS was regarded as a great debater because of the way he constructed his arguments was very intelligent. He was one of the few people I knew at the time that did provide scans and quotes and made claims based on that versus just hearsay. Whether or not his arguments were flawed or not I cannot tell since I don't read much X-Men.

Give GS a break. He deserves it. He is here to discuss so why don't we let him do that without all the stupid bashing?

No he doesnt, Mr M and others have tried to post logical arguement which GS ignores.

There's a reason he has that rep.

Let me give you guys some insight.
Please thank me too.

If written correctly everyone except 2,4,5 should kill her fairly easily.
This is because some of them have much greater speed and reflexes than her and can simply go back in time and deal with her before she has time to do anything. Or for the ones who can't time travel then at least they can erase her or disintegrate her faster than she can react (light speed attack). 2,4 (I don't know her), and 5 should be beaten since they are not fast enough and cannot time travel.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
No he doesnt, Mr M and others have tried to post logical arguement which GS ignores.

There's a reason he has that rep.

So youre saying that i havent posted a logical argument?

Are you not understanding that ive just shattered the misconception behind the chaos wave that Mr Master was promoting, therefore all of his points about the wave are now null and void.

The wave was a big threat if left unchecked.

It brought down a reality by gnawing away at its structure, harming beings who would otherwise brush it off if they were aware of it and faced it head on.

When Roma made Excalibur aware of the chaos wave, it was stopped in its tracks by the mutant Meggan and then eradicated by a few mutants merely sealing the dimensional tear which caused it.

The wave was only a threat if left unchecked. It was not. It was easily dealt with. The wave wont get her past the people in this gauntlet, its down to her reality warping powers. Roma said Wanda only warped the earth.

I think she gets to Eternity. I just don't buy into her hype and I get the feeling she'll only get retconned anyways.

Maybe I'm just saying that because I hate HOM with a passion. The only way that series would have been cool is if they would have had a better explanation for Wanda's abilities.

Considering Doc Strange was so heavily involved in the series, and that Wanda's powers were based off Chaos magic - it would have been nice if they would have linked her to Shuma Gorath. He is the master of the Chaos realm afterall and he's extremely powerful. I'd love to see him become a more mainstream villian.

That would have at least made better sense than the lame explaination they gave us. I mean, the series felt like the writers just picked "Chaos Wave" out of they're respective asses without even realizing that the concept of Chaos magic had been used before.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please look at the quality of those scans. They were taken with my camera fone back before i knew about downloading comics. Hence the reason why the picture is taken in segments. Try getting a good clear picture of the whole scene with a camera phone.

My commentary about the scenes shows no deception.

Does anyone else smell that?


shit

Yes, that is the sickly smell of the north american Phoenix Fanboy.

Originally posted by Galan777
Does anyone else smell that?


shit

Galan. Why are you coming at me like that all of a sudden?

Regardless peoples opinion and perspectives on things change over time and after debate.

That thread was from a year ago. Look at any thread where that comic is being discussed and you will see me acknowledging that the abstracts are bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. A Stranger taking advantag eof the process the Phoenix power brings about.

No need for insults. Ive been on good terms with you for months.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galan. Why are you coming at me like that all of a sudden?

Regardless peoples opinion and perspectives on things change over time and after debate.

That thread was from a year ago. Look at any thread where that comic is being discussed and you will see me acknowledging that the abstracts are bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. A Stranger taking advantag eof the process the Phoenix power brings about.

No need for insults. Ive been on good terms with you for months.

Your a Phoenix Fanboy, that's reason enough. Your rep on here is so bad that you could leave for a decade come back and people still wouldn't take you seriously.

You've been proven wrong, yet you refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galan. Why are you coming at me like that all of a sudden?

Regardless peoples opinion and perspectives on things change over time and after debate.

That thread was from a year ago. Look at any thread where that comic is being discussed and you will see me acknowledging that the abstracts are bowing to a Phoenix enhanced Stranger. A Stranger taking advantag eof the process the Phoenix power brings about.

No need for insults. Ive been on good terms with you for months. i still dont have a problem with u GS, but u could have at least said that the pic u posted was taken via camera phone so its a bit off, but u didnt. Instead you tried to slip one past everyone, and thats not cool man

Given his rep are you really suprized at that?

Originally posted by Galan777
i still dont have a problem with u GS, but u could have at least said that the pic u posted was taken via camera phone, but u didnt. Instead you tried to slip one past everyone, and thats not cool man

I never tried to slip one past anyone. Given the quality of the pics and the fact that theyre taken in segments i thought that was obvious.

All anyone has to do is look at debates on that matter from the last 6 months and you'll never see me saying theyre bowing to Jean. But instead to Stranger, a Stranger taking advantage of the Phoenix process. With Phoenix as the central image as shes what makes it all possible. I dont need to slip one past everyone because i have the evidence on my side. I dont need to speculate.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never tried to slip one past anyone. Given the quality of the pics and the fact that theyre taken in segments i thought that was obvious.

All anyone has to do is look at debates on that matter from the last 6 months and you'll never see me saying theyre bowing to Jean. But instead to Stranger, a Stranger taking advantage of the Phoenix process. With Phoenix as the central image as shes what makes it all possible. I dont need to slip one past everyone because i have the evidence on my side. I dont need to speculate.



I honestly have no problemo with you, but I find it funny how your rep has gone so bad....ah don't worry bro...

A lot of ppl dont like me either

But my rep still aint as bad as yours

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Your a Phoenix Fanboy, that's reason enough. Your rep on here is so bad that you could leave for a decade come back and people still wouldn't take you seriously.

You've been proven wrong, yet you refuse to accept it.

How would you know anything about my rep? My reps bad because Mr Master and his friends have taken a dislike to me and they say so?

Please son, ive got many a friend on here, you dont speak for everyone and this forum used to be a civilised place to debat ebefore the mass of deluded newbies arrived in droves.

You have no proof on your side all the points you brought up yesterday Mr M rebutted.

Wanda can wipe out the Omniverse, she almost wiped out eternity who is higher power then Phoenix.

LOL Just accept it.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
You have no proof on your side all the points you brought up yesterday Mr M rebutted.

Wanda can wipe out the Omniverse, she almost wiped out eternity who is higher power then Phoenix.

LOL Just accept it.

Mr Master rebutted how?

As stated by Roma the Wave was brought about by the breach Wandas manipulations accidentally caused, its neither generated or controlled by Wanda.

The chaos wave is a threat easily stopped. Its only a major threat if its ALLOWED to run amok. It wasnt and it got dealt with by a few mutants. Thats the end of the Chaos Wave delusions

Phoenix has no way of stopping the Chaoswave, Theres no Roma in this fight.

And We have both shown proof that the Wave came from Wanda you just won't accept it cause well.. Your a Phoenix Fanboy.


Wanda almost wiped out Genis and Enternity, Phoenix is lower and get erased. And hopefully you and all the other Fanboys with it.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Phoenix has no way of stopping the Chaoswave, Theres no Roma in this fight.

Roma never stopped the chaos wave, it was a band of mutants.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
And We have both shown proof that the Wave came from Wanda you just won't accept it cause well.. Your a Phoenix Fanboy.

Roma states that the wave is the result of a tear in reality caused by Wandas reality manipulations. While the wave was caused by Wanda, it was neither generated by or controlled by her.


Originally posted by Ext@nt
Wanda almost wiped out Genis and Enternity, Phoenix is lower and get erased. And hopefully you and all the other Fanboys with it.

Phoenix has pulled off bigger feats than either of those two beings. Wanda never conclusively warped more than just the Earth. Roma said it was a global alteration.

If a few mutants can stop the wave then why you think Phoenix has no way of stopping it is most puzzling son

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Roma never stopped the chaos wave, it was a band of mutants.



Roma states that the wave is the result of a tear in reality caused by Wandas reality manipulations. While the wave was caused by Wanda, it was neither generated by or controlled by her.




Phoenix has pulled off bigger feats than either of those two beings. Wanda never conclusively warped more than just the Earth. Roma said it was a global alteration. since when did Phoenix had bigger feats then those 2 ?????? Never

And again you have been proven wrong many times by Mr M and myself.

Genis was blinking the universe in and out Phoenix has done nothing on that level.

God, How do you get by in such a delusional state?

GS on some ride the wave type shit, go on with yaself surf boy.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
And again you have been proven wrong many times by Mr M and myself.

Genis was blinking the universe in and out Phoenix has done nothing on that level.

God, How do you get by in such a delusional state?

Genis was doing so because of his connection with the Big Bang which just happens to be the Phoenix Force.

Eternity is just a universe. Phoenix demonstrated control of a universe at the atomic level. She had Eternity in her hand like he was nothing.

On top of that she put Eternity on his death bed by cutting away his future.

In a battl ePhoenix would annihilate Eternity.

That is your Faboy opinion which is worth nothing on these forums.

And she never held the universe in her hand Mr M has again proven you wrong about that.

And this is one example of why your word is meaningless on this site.

Originally posted by Ethereal
GS on some ride the wave type shit, go on with yaself surf boy.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
That is your Faboy opinion which is worth nothing on these forums.

And she never held the universe in her hand Mr M has again proven you wrong about that.

And this is one example of why your word is meaningless on this site.

Nope. Mr Master stubbornly restated his opinion in a debate, despite the fact that id brought up points that meant his interpretation couldnt be correct.

Ive been away for 2 weeks. Dont worry thats another issue that will be addressed in due course.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Mr Master stubbornly restated his opinion in a debate, despite the fact that id brought up points that meant his interpretation couldnt be correct.

Ive been away for 2 weeks. Dont worry thats another issue that will be addressed in due course.

No he posted the truth and showed scans and explained them. No matter what you do no one on here will listen to you and while you were away we had a few annoying people reported and banned and if you insist on spamming with the same nonsesne over and over the same can happen to you.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
No he posted the truth and showed scans and explained them. No matter what you do no one on here will listen to you and while you were away we had a few annoying people reported and banned and if you insist on spamming with the same nonsesne over and over the same can happen to you.

You again presume to speak for everyone. Its just you Mr Master and his other handful of cronies that share your view. Please understand that

No its the vast majority of the forums. Only the Phoenix Fanboys support you. The rest ignore your nonsense for what it is.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
No its the vast majority of the forums. Only the Phoenix Fanboys support you. The rest ignore your nonsense for what it is.

Speak for yourself. I am not a Phoenix fanboy, and I won't ignore something GS posts unless I read it and examine it first. Ignoring someone because they have a bad reputation is stupid.

I take what people say one post at a time. If they are right I accept it. If they are wrong I don't. Just because someone has been wrong, doesn't mean they are always wrong.

All you ever do Ext@nt is restate what Mr. Master says.

You have some issues if you spend so much time bashing someone on a forum.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
No its the vast majority of the forums. Only the Phoenix Fanboys support you. The rest ignore your nonsense for what it is.

Damn dude, chill lol. You talk as if you have some kind of personal vendetta--even worse, an i-net vendetta for that matter. Also, speaking for everyone, or this site, is the biggest fowl display of condecension and elitism heresy; I dont care how much you claim to know abotu comics, that kind of attitude is not taken kindly anywhere. Plus, dont you think its rather moronic and hypocritical that you claim post after post that this GS dude only gets acknowledgment from phoenix fanboys or no-nothing noobs on here--when in contradiction, you are obviously replying to every post he makes? Does spending all of your time just to damage or state his rep has fallen off, prove a point? If he angers you that much, why dont you simply ignore him?

ok now you guys are getting thoroughly out of hand...i mean its 8 pages and only about 3 or 4 is actual debating and this is not a PF vs Wanda thead..now...not that i wanna add more fuel to the flames here but as ive read ALL the HOM and ALL the Decimation follow ups..I have also come to the conclusion that the Chaos wave emanated from Wanda...cuz otherwise where else would it come from? not unless there was some sort of bullshit where she drew too much energy from IDK..the "Chaos Dimension" or something, and couldnt control it. which i wouldnt put pass marvel writers as of late.

the important thing to take into account here is the fact that all the things she did was real....she brought gwen stacy back to life and had peter knock her up and that was real..she created two kids of her own out out of nowhere, she brought back haweye to life, she created Layla as a deus Ex machina, all of which was real..this was reality warping of the highest order..and the spillover of energy that keeps being brought up is nothing more than it spilling over into the multiverse, that roma was trying to prevent cuz as in her words "it would end exitence as we know it."..

this is interseting to me cuz i remember the old school Alan Moore Cap. Britain where when mad jim jasper basically did the same thing wanda did...excpet his was a wave of anti matter or anti reality, or some dumb shit like that and it was wiping out everything in Earth-238 and threatening all the cosmos..and some dude that had usurped Saturnyne's position just adjusted some crystals on a console and destroyed 238 completely to avoid it spilling over into other universes...leaving the original fury as that universes sole survivor...

now back to Meggan and her merry band of mutants..from what i saw, all she did was seal the breach in reality that would lead to the other universes by growing to what seemed like giant sized and no doubt employed her elemental abilties to do something to the energy..its not like it was stopped with the wave of a hand or something..

also as i understand it the premise of this thread was if wanda had conscious control of the chaos wave, not the wave as it were in HOm running wildy out of control... the same way jim jaspers had control of his antimatter/anti reality wave...which would make her near unbeatable...that is unless if she was facing off against someone equal to or greater than her in power...thats why on the list on page 1 she would only take out Galactus and Molecule Man...and she would stalemate the PF.

incidentally The fury beat Jim Jaspers by carrying him to an un-universe, where there was no reality for him to warp then zapped his brain..only someone who is omnipotent could do that to Wanda, if she had full control of the wave.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos never showed any sign of getting the TOAA's Authority.




Beyonder had all the power that existed between 1984 and 86, after that the New Universe was introduced in November 1986, and Beyonder went from everything Outside the Multi-verse, to ONE Infinite Universe.

Beyonder had the Power of ONE Multi-verse, Millions of times over.

TOAA has increased his once ONE Multi-verse to an INFINITE number of Multi-verses, that's MORE than Millions, MORE than Billions, MORE than any number you can think of.




Your speculatting and without evidence, the evidence points to a Molucule Man that was quite close to the Beyonder in Power.


When Beyonder and Molecule Man battled, Molecule Man almost had a chance of winning

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9239/b2rk9.th.jpg


Beyonder speaking, "You had a CHANCE, it's Unbelievable that you did"
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4562/b3hw2.th.jpg

Molecule Man lost, but that doesn't sound to me like "less than a millionth piece"

"a millionth piece" would have been BLINKED away.




Also, When Beyonder releases ALL of his Power that should have ERASED the ONE Marvel Multi-verse:


Reed knows if they kill the Beyonder baby, it will wipe out the Multi-verse.

"The Power contained in that Device is the Power of the Beyonder"
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7228/buni7qi7.th.jpg
"If that Energy is Loosed, it could DESTROY EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE in One blinding white flash"

Molecule Man kills the helpless baby Beyonder turned himself into
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8315/buni8ou3.th.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5706/buni9sw7.th.jpg

The Beyonder's Energy is released
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8218/buni10jd6.th.jpg
"The child screams...and the END begins"

Just like Reed said "one blinding white flash"
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7535/buni11eg5.th.jpg

But somehow they survive
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9025/buni12vu1.th.jpg

How?

Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/2981/buni6ag1.th.jpg

So AGAIN, Now Molecule Man was able to DIVERT the Beyonder's Power (which should have incinerated Everything) into the Portal that lead to the Beyond Realm.
Again:
Uni - one
Multi - "more than one"
Omni - all
verse - reality/-ies

Uni-verse: One reality
Multi-verse: "More than one reality" (2-infinity)
Omni-verse: all realities

If the Multi-verse is made up of infinity universes, it would equal the Omni-verse.
Infinity (Multiverse) >< Infinity (Omniverse)
Infinity >< Infinity ~ Infinity = Infinity

---

Back to Beyonder:

Beyonder is everything in the Multi-verse.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg
- He is the Living Tribunal, he is Eternity, he is Death ect.

Beyonder is everything outside the Multi-verse (Beryond-realm).
Blank pages.
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg

The Beyond-realm was greater than an infinity amount of infinity universes.
So it can be bellow or above the size of the Omniverse.

But as I see it: Multi-verse + Beyond-realm = Omniverse

Millions of times all the power in the Multi-verse, combinded.
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg
And there isnt a Living Tribunal for each Multi-verse correct?

This is just because Molecule man was present in the Multi-verse all the time Beyonder was.
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buni3oe1.jpg

Beyonder under limitations were slight more powerful then Molecule man.
You can't estimate how much power he was supressing.
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderimposinglimitsqn6.jpg

But to be able shatter the entire time-stream, to unmake the dawn of time, unmake the history of Marvel. -- Now that's a "God-only" feature.
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercouldshatterthetimestreamzx6.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again:
Uni - one
Multi - "more than one"
Omni - all
verse - reality/-ies

Uni-verse: One reality
Multi-verse: "More than one reality" (2-infinity)
Omni-verse: all realities

If the Multi-verse is made up of infinity universes, it would equal the Omni-verse.
Infinity (Multiverse) >< Infinity (Omniverse)
Infinity >< Infinity ~ Infinity = Infinity technically the omniverse is the DC Multiverse combined with the Marvel Multiverse........ Marvel only has its own Multiverse, not an Omniverse, just like DC, so your omniverse comparisons wont work



Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Back to Beyonder:

Beyonder is everything in the Multi-verse.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg
- He is the Living Tribunal, he is Eternity, he is Death ect. Where the hell did you get out of that scan that he was all of those abstracts? that scan dosent say anything close to that.... Your not fooling anyone


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Beyond-realm was greater than an infinity amount of infinity universes.
So it can be bellow or above the size of the Omniverse. No, the Beyonders power met no resistance in the Infinite Beyond realm . Where did you get your quote?


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Beyonder under limitations were slight more powerful then Molecule man.
You can't estimate how much power he was supressing.
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderimposinglimitsqn6.jpg Do you realize that this scan isnt even from the same issue where beyonder fought molecule man? You would have known that if you would have read SW II for yourself....... Molecule Man's power was very close to the Beyonders' when they battled

there are many different multiverses...and all the combined mutliverses is the omniverse...and i shit you not but i once read there there is a megaverse...that is supposedly where TOAA dwells...above the omniverse

Originally posted by manjaro
there are many different multiverses...and all the combined mutliverses is the omniverse...and i shit you not but i once read there there is a megaverse...that is supposedly where TOAA dwells...above the omniverse Theres just too many "verses" if you ask me.

Originally posted by Galan777
technically the omniverse is the DC Multiverse combined with the Marvel Multiverse........ Marvel only has its own Multiverse, not an Omniverse, just like DC, so your omniverse comparisons wont work

Actually Marvel has an Omni-verse that has nothing to do with DC.

That's Wikipedia confusing people on that one.

All your other points are solid.


I won't respond again to T on that matter, he's developed a one track mind about the Beyonder.

The Omni-verse is all the Multi-verses in Marvel.


The Omniversal Tribune can Erase any Universe they want.

"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9969/e5na4.th.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2561/e6qo5.th.jpg

"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9369/e7fg1.th.jpg

"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3205/e8tr6.th.jpg


This is from Marvel Comics.