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Enforcer of the Republic
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Actually, I did not, you twisted my words in that sense, the only thing I said was that "I prefer people THAT NEED IT to have Religion for Morals" that in no way implies that, but because you're an Athiest, anything mentioning Religion means BADNESS
I'm not twisting, you ssaid people who are religous are more moral (except for yourself, of course).
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
The Nation, settlers and such, were here for RELIGIOUS Freedom, their own ways of Christianity
So, that has nothign to do with the creation of the US govenrmnet. This is a JIA agument.
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
The Equality stated in that is based on the Bible's saying all people are Equal
Really, since the bible has slavery, mentions how you can sell your daughter, stone homosexuals, and defines a "natural role" for women. Have you even read the bible? Clearly, in its literal sense, it says nothing about equality. If the bible and Christianity were so important....why is the Constitution devoid of the Bible and stock full of enlightenment philosophy?
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
More than this, but those are off the top of my head
Thats a short list for such an
overwhelming and
obvious connection.
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
I love how no Athiest can ever Answer WHY it's bad, or reasons for getting rid of it
I've answered repeatedly what I see as the problems of religion. Just because you weren't here or didn't take the time to read what I wrote, doesn't mean I didn't say it. This leads us to....
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
I think it's because you want Religion completely removed from everything, the Athiest Religion hates Religion. But they won't say it, I do not see why you have a problem with it, I'm far from being Religious, yet there COULD be, shutting that away is kinda Illogical
1. There is no Atheist religion. This has been proven over and over again.
2. I don't think religion should be removed form everything. There is sensible religion and there is crap religion. JIA and the kind fall under the crap category. Christian soup kitchens fall under the good category.
You need to realize that we live in a pluralistic society. This soicety needs to take positions that are not exclusive to people. This nation is not "under god" that implies that the US has some sort of supernatural mandate. "In god we trust" is a reference to the deist statement and is in light with the positions held by the founding fathers. "god" was a natural order and it was natural for all men to be created equal. THAT is a differnce, despite the fact that you seem too dull to divide it.
There are many good aspects to religion, but I've seen both directly and indirectly the havoc it can wreck. I've also seen its good side.
In fact, since you have me so figured out, you'd remember my threat that said that we should increase the use of religion government. Remeber that? Oh...thats right. This government needs to re-discover its deist roots and start talking about government as a religion again. I don't support Bush's "god-this" and "god-that," but I do support statements like "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
You're the one who has to figure out his contradictory stance.
You see?