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Civil war erupts in the DCU instead of Marvel with Batman and Superman leading the opposing sides.

Whose side with whom?
What i want to know is who in DC would side PRO and ANTI registration and what the terms and end result of the War would be?
So basically!
Who is pro-registration?
Who is anti-registration?
Who retires?
Who lives?
Who dies?
WHO WINS???

I think if it had to be between the two Batman would be pro registration.

Supes would be pro. No doubt about it.

Wonder Woman would probably be anti. Bats, I think could go either way.

Superman has a family to protect, what makes you think he'd be pro?

Well that was what i meant, but i was more curies as to who else in the DCU would side with him and with Superman's Anti-registration rebellion?

Of course this is my scenario seeing as how Superman almost always believes the government is right (when not controlled by someone he knows to be corrupted).

Originally posted by The Pict
Superman has a family to protect, what makes you think he'd be pro?

He already has a prejudice against masks.

And Lois has gotten into enough trouble because Clark's Superman anyway. Clark's a pretty smart guy; I'm sure he'd see the logic.

Just to say he is on the Anti side, cause for this thread i wanted him to lead the Anti team, This is why.

Superman is the one hero pretty much every villian wants to hurt including Luthor, Darkside, Mongul, Bizzaro............. the list goes on and if he isn't there to protect them no one else is strong enough to take on all those guys, we'll say that is why he is anti.

So lets just for this thread he is the Anti leader, who joins his team???

Originally posted by Entity
Just to say he is on the Anti side, cause for this thread i wanted him to lead the Anti team, This is why.

Superman is the one hero pretty much every villian wants to hurt including Luthor, Darkside, Mongul, Bizzaro............. the list goes on and if he isn't there to protect them no one else is.

So lets just for this thread he is the Anti leader, who joins his team???

Batman

Batman is nosie enough he would be a perfect Pro leader, so he is Pro registration at least for this thread. But those are the only two i have preselected for the sides of the war.

Batman is Pro-registration who joins his team?
Superman is Anti-registration who joins his team?
Why do the other heros chose that side?

Batman IS nosey, and believes heroes should be held responsible for their actions, but he ain't about to give up his identity and life to the goverment, no way in hell. He either goes anti-reg, or he goes solo and attempts to find out the government's intentions.

I'd say Superman is more neutral than anything. He already knows what it's like when the wrong people know who you are. He'd also believe heroes should be accountable, but he's not about to fight his fellow heroes, and there really aren't very many people that could make him.

That's just my opinion, though.

I just wanted to know who side people thought the rest of the DCU would join, IF my scenario played out I'm not saying that it would just who else would side with either of the world's finest.

If somebody is going to hunt down other heroes I think it would be Batman.
Robin would likely be on Batman's side. Supergirl on her cousin's?

IMO

Anti Registeration
Superman
Wonder Woman
Hawkman
Hal Jordan
Martian Manhunter
Supergirl
Zatanna
Catwoman
Cyborg
Beastboy
Powergirl (Maybe...Not Sure)
Black Canary

Pro-Registration
Batman
Aquaman
Flash
Green Arrow
Kyle Rayner
Hawkgirl
Captain Atom
Nightwing
Robin
Superboy(Connor)
Wonder Girl (Cassie)
Red Tornado
Starfire
The Marvel Family

Just to name a few

My sides. I don't think Batman would choose the government. He'd want to run his own thing and wouldn't trust the government to not meddle. I see him as less trusting and more wary of the government trying to assemble their own superhuman army. Superman on the other hand will do what he thinks is the right thing, and since I think this tends to make him more naive than other heroes it'll make him more trusting of the government (unless of course its Luthor lead in which case he's doing the opposite). Batman'ss team has more of the 'rebels' and more left wing heroes of the DCU as opposed to Superman's team which has more of the 'boyscouts'.

Anti-Registration

Batman
Green Arrow
Hawkman
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Green Lanter (Guy Gardener)
Aquaman
Black Canary
Arsenal
Katanna
Metamorpho
Starfire
Plastic Man
Question

Pro-Registration

Superman
Wonderwoman
Martian Manhunter
Black Lightning
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Zatanna
Captain Atom
Nightwing
Flash
Captain Marvel
The Atom

Just a few, might add more later

Do you really think Dick would side aginst Bruce on this?

Otherwise it looks alot like my team only reversed

I can't see any reason Batman would be pro-registration. He's not working for anyone else.
Superman is definitely pro-registration, because he respects authority too much.

Normally i would agree with superman siding with the progovernment style and your probably right but for this fight i wanted him to put individuals rights be fore the government. As for Bruce i really think he has a thing for keep superpowered people incheck and while i could see him on either side i think he would be more suited to fit his personality as leader of a group to unmask and (contain) any superpowered beings on earth for the protection of the citizens

Originally posted by Entity
Do you really think Dick would side aginst Bruce on this?

Otherwise it looks alot like my team only reversed

Yup, I think its plausible. It may seem like a stretch, but really think about it. I use it as a way to distance him from Bruce (plus I think if this story was done it'd be pretty interesting to see an interaction between the two). Nightwing has already expressed dissproval with the way Bruce does a lot of things and on a situation of this scope I see him coming out on his own into a more Superman-like character. He maybe could also be like the 'Spider-Man' of the DCU CW (switching sides and going back with his father).

Actually I noticed after I posted that our teams were the same yet opposite. It seems like your team is more composed of guys who wouldn't have much qualms hunting fellow heroes (I agree your pro team seems more ruthless), but the way I looked at it is which heroes would I opposing the government. Green Arrow is definitely on the 'rebel' side though

Wonder Woman would be neither pro nor anti.

She fights for PEACE, for goodness's sake. She comes from an island that swears political neutrality.

In fact as ambassador, she has no power. She can only influence people with her speeches and her powers of persuasion....

I definitly agree that Arrow is a rebel, but he also doesn't like the idea of what great power can do if left unchecked he could probably go either way but i think he is tomuch like Bruce so i am convinced he would choosewhatever side he did

Though i do belive their methods would contradict one another.

I think that is why they used him in smallville they know everyone wants to see Bruce, but he is to big a character so much that he could take the spotlight off Clark. So they used the closest thing to him instead, kinda tring to get the best of both worlds

I think Lex would be putting the regi act together.

I would prefer him not to put the act together cause that would tell everyone right there where wich heros would side and the story would be pretty predictable from there on out.

I think it would be best if Lex wasn't at least directly connected to it, but maybe he could be twisting some small things behind the seens.

yeah...i saw starfire on a pro-registration, and she would definitley be anti 100%

Bat's Supes and WW take three different routes. None of which involve being leaders.

Superman takes Sentries , he leaves Earth for a few weeks to make his decision , after all as the planets most powerful Super-hero his choice is VERY important to both sides.

Batman takes Wolverines route , AKA the 'Screw the government i'm going to deal with this MY way' route. He hunts down whoever presumably caused Dc's version of Stamford before laying a bat-beatdown on him until he blurts out which group set the whole thing up.

WW goes the route of Doctor Strange , going into (another) self exile.

GA would feel that supers would need to be monitered but there is no way he's gonna side with a side that requires you to give up your rights in order to accomplish that goal. He's all about helping the man on the street and putting regulations and restrictions on heroics puts a damper on that. No way is Ollie pro-reg.

Bruce still could go both ways, but if this is a campaign in which Bruce has to play ball (ie give up his own identity and submit to regulations, maybe even give up some of his info and tech) then there is no way he's a part of this. Bruce knows how dangerous control can be. Thats why he always likes to have it, cause its safer in his hands than in anyone elses. He'll think the government (or anyone else for that matter) will abuse their control and I don't think he'll want a part of it.

What if they agreed to let the heros that help them remain anomous or keep their identies highest level clerance secerts. And people should remember that a part of the government knows most of the heros IDs as well as strenghts and weeknesses via Brother Eye and who is responcible for that "Batman"

a) You do know a million thraeds like this have died after about an hour, right?
b) Batma would never, ever, no way in hell, support those registrative bastards. I reckon, for drama's sake they'd have Superman pro to get pissed with by Batgod...

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I think we already seen this with kingdom come from what I can tell civil war is a huge rip off of kingdom come.

Originally posted by jasofisc
I think we already seen this with kingdom come from what I can tell civil war is a huge rip off of kingdom come.

Then obviously you really haven't been following the series

No way Batman is going to be Pro-Registration. If he wasn't Anti, he'd be in the middle.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Then obviously you really haven't been following the series


ok it starts out with super hero group making a blunder were someone blows up and kills some people in the mid west. Next because a few superheros are morons and are not looking after the well being of civilins other super heros take it upon them selves to train and make sure that the other super heros are safe doing what they are suppost to do. Not there may be a bunch of details that are differnt but the basic theme is there.

Originally posted by jasofisc
ok it starts out with super hero group making a blunder were someone blows up and kills some people in the mid west. Next because a few superheros are morons and are not looking after the well being of civilins other super heros take it upon them selves to train and make sure that the other super heros are safe doing what they are suppost to do. Not there may be a bunch of details that are differnt but the basic theme is there.

For me basic details does not equal huge rip-off. If that were the case then every comic book would be a rip-off of another. Superhero fights villian, Superhero wins, Bad-guy loses. Basic theme is the same

Batman would be anti-registration. He is too wary of the gov't and goes to far to protect his identity.

Nightwing would without question be anti-regiistration. He has already faced the horrors of his identity being revealed. Blockbuster blew-up the circus he grew up at, blew-up the police station where he used to work, and blew-up all his friends he made at his apartment building. Regardless of which side Batman was on, Nightwing would be anti-registration.

Superman would probably lead the charge for registration. He would believe in what the gov't was trying to do.

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Originally posted by marvelprince
Then obviously you really haven't been following the series
Yeah, KC was actually a quality read.

*runs away*

This is hard to tell. No way in heck is Batman siding with pro-registration. I don't think Superman should either but I could see writers putting him in Iron Man's position to go up against Bats for ratings. I think Ollie will side whereever Bats goes. The thing is if it was Batman and Superman on the same side almost everyone will follow them(two greatest superhero's of all time hands down of all universes!) and it would basically be like sentinels vs xmen or gov't vs all superheros unless gov't inlisted supervillains which would be maddning and have lex luthor pulling the string from the shadows.

Originally posted by marvelprince
GA would feel that supers would need to be monitered but there is no way he's gonna side with a side that requires you to give up your rights in order to accomplish that goal. He's all about helping the man on the street and putting regulations and restrictions on heroics puts a damper on that. No way is Ollie pro-reg.

Bruce still could go both ways, but if this is a campaign in which Bruce has to play ball (ie give up his own identity and submit to regulations, maybe even give up some of his info and tech) then there is no way he's a part of this. Bruce knows how dangerous control can be. Thats why he always likes to have it, cause its safer in his hands than in anyone elses. He'll think the government (or anyone else for that matter) will abuse their control and I don't think he'll want a part of it.

Totally agree

Batman started the Outsiders cos he knew there were things that the government couldn't/wouldn't do. No way is he pro-reg. GA is far too much of a liberal socialist to conform to a registration act