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hmm....before a green object crushes him, BB dodges out of the way, at the same time letting out a full force scream

well thats one scenerio....

BB 4-5/10

I don't think the Quasi scream will do any damage to Hal. Especially when he has his shields up.

it'll do some damage, it is stated that black bolt scream is like being hit by a nuclear bomb

that's only if he's expecting it...if he has his shield up before hand, then it won't...but if he's like "some guy in black tights, this'll be easy" then he's done....

Then why make the thread .
No but seriously I think Hal wins more than he loses maybe 6/10.
Maybe BB starts out by shrieking at the top of his lungs, then BB 6/10

Jordan can create a construct around BB that will turn his own scream against him.

The ring can be set for auto-shield though.......

black bolt just have to many powers at is disposal and i have seen him take out or stalemate some awesome characters - ex; thor, magneto, gladiator, thing, hulk etc.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Jordan can create a construct around BB that will turn his own scream against him.

Maybe. but still IF BB starts out by screaming he will win.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
black bolt just have to many powers at is disposal and i have seen him take out or stalemate some awesome characters - ex; thor, magneto, gladiator, thing, hulk etc. too many powers? enlighten me??

anyway snoop, that's what i'm saying, if the shield is up already, then blackbolt can try and pierce it, which might work once in a while...

and if he starts up with a scream and GL ain't expecting it then Hal goes down..

so i say stalemate or 4-5/10

Originally posted by Bol Gath
Maybe. but still IF BB starts out by screaming he will win. Why is BB allowed to start screaming? Then Hal is allowed to start with his shield.

Originally posted by Bol Gath
Maybe. but still IF BB starts out by screaming he will win.

Auto-protection.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Jordan can create a construct around BB that will turn his own scream against him.

I dont think that black bolt own powers affect him or he'll be dead a long time ago. He also keep that power bottle up inside of him and with him doing that, it gives him the other amazing powers that he have like superspeed, superstrength, can create a forcefield, can shoot a lazer out of the fork on his force field that even made thor scream and broke through magneto force field (also made some god that he fought scream in unimaginable pain), he also has flight (stated in the marvel encyclopedia that he flies 500 mph.

Ok. Then stalemate or a slight nod to Hal

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I dont think that black bolt own powers affect him or he'll be dead a long time ago. He also keep that power bottle up inside of him and with him doing that, it gives him the other amazing powers that he have like superspeed, superstrength, can create a forcefield, can shoot a lazer out of the fork on his force field that even made thor scream and broke through magneto force field (also made some god that he fought scream in unimaginable pain), he also has flight (stated in the marvel encyclopedia that he flies 500 mph.

Cool I had forgotten about the magneto thing. He is one of the few who has pierced Mags barrier. BB FTW

He broke through Magnetos forcefield? O_o Which issue was this..? I must know?

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I dont think that black bolt own powers affect him or he'll be dead a long time ago. He also keep that power bottle up inside of him and with him doing that, it gives him the other amazing powers that he have like superspeed, superstrength, can create a forcefield, can shoot a lazer out of the fork on his force field that even made thor scream and broke through magneto force field (also made some god that he fought scream in unimaginable pain), he also has flight (stated in the marvel encyclopedia that he flies 500 mph.

It can convert it to a different kind of energy or the cage could keep getting smaller and smaller until BB is KO'd.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
It can convert it to a different kind of energy or the cage could keep getting smaller and smaller until BB is KO'd.

I think black bolt scream can bust through green lantern power ring unless green lantern can take the explosion of a nuclear bomb, which i highly doubt.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He broke through Magnetos forcefield? O_o Which issue was this..? I must know?

I read it at books a million, Im going up there today I'll try and get the # and name of book for ya but he broke through magneto force field and whispered in his ear koing magneto. Its a old book, in the early 90's.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I think black bolt scream can bust through green lantern power ring unless green lantern can take the explosion of a nuclear bomb, which i highly doubt.

He's contained Supernovas, and big bang energy.

Nuclear bombs are laughable to a good GL.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I think black bolt scream can bust through green lantern power ring unless green lantern can take the explosion of a nuclear bomb, which i highly doubt. Hal has contained himself from a Supernova before.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I read it at books a million, Im going up there today I'll try and get the # and name of book for ya but he broke through magneto force field and whispered in his ear koing magneto. Its a old book, in the early 90's.

Ah cool...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He's contained Supernovas, and big bang energy.

Nuclear bombs are laughable to a good GL.

what you wrote is pointless. what blackbolt is screaming out isnt physical, its a sound, his ring cant stop sound. It will go past the forcefield. Green lantern will feel the impact no matter if he can stop supernova or not, he cant stop his ears or stop the sound from going past his force field. remember sound isnt physical.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
what you wrote is pointless. what blackbolt is screaming out isnt physical, its a sound, his ring cant stop sound. It will go past the forcefield. Green lantern will feel the impact no matter if he can stop supernova or not, he cant stop his ears or stop the sound from going past his force field. remember sound isnt physical. actually...it's not sound i was educated about this a while back too...look for the Sentry vs. Blackbolt thread...it explains there

i also forgot. Blackbolt has superspeed, he moves very fast, has great reaction time, he can dodge about anything gl throws at him. I think black bolt takes this fight everytime. I have never seen the guy lose. He almost defeated Thor until they came to terms and then he was fighting and beating thor in a fist to fist fight, didnt have to use his scream. He almost beat the entire fantastic four on there 1st encounter, he beat magneto, beat gladiator beat namor, fought some dude that move at light speed and beat him with one chop to the neck. When I see this guy get defeated at least once then Im giving the fight to him.

GL's can fly faster than light dude. BB is what 500mph?

Would these be the same scans from the issue with Mags? It's from BB's respect thread...it doesn't list the issue..though?

http://img236.exs.cx/img236/4031/vsmags11rn.jpg
http://img235.exs.cx/img235/9356/vsmags25pp.jpg
http://img228.exs.cx/img228/8273/vsmags30sb.jpg
http://img226.exs.cx/img226/6859/vsmags46hg.jpg

I wonder if Hal could put BB in a bubble and the siphon the air out? GL's can excract oxygen and create it.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/J_L_of_A_210-12.jpg

Originally posted by jmcnasty
what you wrote is pointless. what blackbolt is screaming out isnt physical, its a sound, his ring cant stop sound. It will go past the forcefield. Green lantern will feel the impact no matter if he can stop supernova or not, he cant stop his ears or stop the sound from going past his force field. remember sound isnt physical.

A GL ring can do nearly ANYTHING.

So your post is far more pointless. It's obvious you don't even know how BB's attacks work or what a GL is capable of.

Id say BB, Unless Hal is fast enough to stop a scream

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Would these be the same scans from the issue with Mags? It's from BB's respect thread...it doesn't list the issue..though?

http://img236.exs.cx/img236/4031/vsmags11rn.jpg
http://img235.exs.cx/img235/9356/vsmags25pp.jpg
http://img228.exs.cx/img228/8273/vsmags30sb.jpg
http://img226.exs.cx/img226/6859/vsmags46hg.jpg

Thanks exodus that was nice scans but they fought again and he also knocked magneto out in that book with just a whisper. Do you have the one where he manhandled thor.

Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Id say BB, Unless Hal is fast enough to stop a scream Hal may not be fast enough but the ring itself is.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
What ever you read on that site was a lie, I got this information off another black bolt site.

The most prominent manifestation of his power is the destructive potential of his voice. If Black Bolt uses his voice at a shout, he has the damage capacity of a 10 megaton nuclear warhead. This effect is not just a shockwave, but a wave of transformative energy, destroying everything that it touches. Because of the extreme danger posed by his voice, Black Bolt has learned to practice rigorous mental training that prevents him from uttering a sound, even in his sleep.


It clearly states that his scream destroys everything that it touches. i didn't get it from a website just as you did...i got it from someone (actually like 2-3 people) that read and have read BB comix, and know his powers.....h/o let me find it

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A GL ring can do nearly ANYTHING.

So your post is far more pointless. It's obvious you don't even know how BB's attacks work or what a GL is capable of.

Who dont know anything about green lantern, I dont think that you know anything about black bolt. If gl ring was so powerful, why didnt it stop him from getting slapped around by deathstrock, someone on wolverine level. HMMMM makes you think - and when max lord took control of superman why didnt his ring stop superman from punching threw it when he had superman caged. HMMMMM makes you think.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Thanks exodus that was nice scans but they fought again and he also knocked magneto out in that book with just a whisper. Do you have the one where he manhandled thor.

Hmm...I'm intrigued now....
I don't have much on BB...you may find what you're looking for in his respect thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t370432.html

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Who dont know anything about green lantern, I dont think that you know anything about black bolt. If gl ring was so powerful, why didnt it stop him from getting slapped around by deathstrock, someone on wolverine level. HMMMM makes you think - and when max lord took control of superman why didnt his ring stop superman from punching threw it when he had superman caged. HMMMMM makes you think. it's called PIS/CIS

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Who dont know anything about green lantern, I dont think that you know anything about black bolt. If gl ring was so powerful, why didnt it stop him from getting slapped around by deathstrock, someone on wolverine level. HMMMM makes you think - and when max lord took control of superman why didnt his ring stop superman from punching threw it when he had superman caged. HMMMMM makes you think.

And in a recent issue of GL they were fighting an army of manhunters that could destroy a planet each. Much more powerful than your "OMG! HE HAS THE POWER OF A NUCLEAR BLAST" BB.

Let's try this again.

Supernova>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nuclear blast.

Ring that can do nearly anything>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>transmuting scream.

Taking a planet destroying blast and then putting a planet back together>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blackbolt.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And in a recent issue of GL they were fighting an army of manhunters that could destroy a planet each. Much more powerful than your "OMG! HE HAS THE POWER OF A NUCLEAR BLAST" BB.

Let's try this again.

Supernova>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nuclear blast.

Ring that can do nearly anything>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>transmuting scream.

Taking a planet destroying blast and then putting a planet back together>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blackbolt.

Your not smart, Im not saying that black bolt is going to beat gl easily but he's going to lose. Blackbolt fought a guy who almost stalemate galactis and he beat the guy, the guy name is sphinx. I just cant see gl coming out on top of this fight. Now if they fight a second time he will be prepared but he'll lose.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Your not smart, Im not saying that black bolt is going to beat gl easily but he's going to lose. Blackbolt fought a guy who almost stalemate galactis and he beat the guy, the guy name is sphinx. I just cant see gl coming out on top of this fight. Now if they fight a second time he will be prepared but he'll lose.

If you want to speak of intelligence, you may first want to check your grammar.

"You're not smart"

NOT

"your not smart"

Now, let's try this again. GL has far more options than BB.

He turns BB to the size of an ant and crushes him.

Makes a construct that crushes BB.

Makes a muzzle that dampens BB's power.

Blasts the holy hell out of BB from a reasonable distance.

Stops time. Beats BB down.

Etc....it's almost limitless.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If you want to speak of intelligence, you may first want to check your grammar.

"You're not smart"

NOT

"your not smart"

Now, let's try this again. GL has far more options than BB.

He turns BB to the size of an ant and crushes him.

Makes a construct that crushes BB.

Makes a muzzle that dampens BB's power.

Blasts the holy hell out of BB from a reasonable distance.

Stops time. Beats BB down.

Etc....it's almost limitless.

what gl are you talking about because i never knew gl could shrink people or stop time. He should have done all of that when he was getting slapped around by deathstroke.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
what gl are you talking about because i never knew gl could shrink people or stop time. He should have done all of that when he was getting slapped around by deathstroke. Do you realize characters have to have low showings? It's what makes the characters be able to sustain a ongoing series.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Do you realize characters have to have low showings? It's what makes the characters be able to sustain a ongoing series.

Can you tell me of a low showing that have anything to do with black bolt because what I have witnessed the guy is undefeatable but what you speak of is true. Im just using it in this argument.

look at black bolt defeat apocalypse with ease

quote: (post)
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
1. Black Bolt (HoM) defeasts Apocalypse with a mere whisper.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Can you tell me of a low showing that have anything to do with black bolt because what I have witnessed the guy is undefeatable but what you speak of is true. Im just using it in this argument. Does he have a ongoing series? Nope, that's why he has less low showings than Hal.

When we compare characters we use their best showings and by doing that BB is tough but Hal operates on a higher level.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
look at black bolt defeat apocalypse with ease

quote: (post)
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
1. Black Bolt (HoM) defeasts Apocalypse with a mere whisper.

it didnt come up I'll get it for ya.

heres the image and look at the destruction.

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackboltfeat16gt.gif

Originally posted by jmcnasty
heres the image and look at the destruction.

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackboltfeat16gt.gif Look at this destruction.

Hal destroyed a planet accidently.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/Justice_League_of_America_140-21.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Look at this destruction.

Hal destroyed a planet accidently.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/Justice_League_of_America_140-21.jpg

I seen that comic and that wasnt a real planet, that was a illusion.

now look at him take out the hulk


http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1254/vh17ou.jpg
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/6058/vh28fm.jpg
http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5205/vh35iz.jpg
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/7639/vh40st.jpg

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7937/vhulk12cj.jpg
http://img70.exs.cx/img70/1148/vhulk21dc.jpg
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/7936/vhulk37dh.jpg

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/7203/hulk25yj.jpg
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/525/hulk33gf.jpg
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/3176/hulk40cw.jpg

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/2706/hulk08rp.jpg
http://img173.exs.cx/img173/8646/hulk011rj.jpg

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I seen that comic and that wasnt a real planet, that was a illusion.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
now look at him take out the hulk


http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1254/vh17ou.jpg
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/6058/vh28fm.jpg
http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5205/vh35iz.jpg
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/7639/vh40st.jpg

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7937/vhulk12cj.jpg
http://img70.exs.cx/img70/1148/vhulk21dc.jpg
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/7936/vhulk37dh.jpg

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/7203/hulk25yj.jpg
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/525/hulk33gf.jpg
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/3176/hulk40cw.jpg

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/2706/hulk08rp.jpg
http://img173.exs.cx/img173/8646/hulk011rj.jpg The Hulk?

I have shown you all so many proofs of the powerhouses that black bolt have defeated and you still dont want to give him his props.

He beat hulk with ease, apocalypse with ease, magneto with ease, gladiator with ease, sphinx a galactis enemy with ease, beat the hell out of thor without even resorting to his scream, beat the fantastic four, now his next victim is green lantern.

http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=power44mi2sh.jpg

This is probably one of BB's best feats....that being said....I can't see him beating a Plot Device like a GL ring....which happens to be weilded by Hal...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The Hulk?

Originally posted by jmcnasty
now look at him take out the hulk


http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1254/vh17ou.jpg
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/6058/vh28fm.jpg
http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5205/vh35iz.jpg
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/7639/vh40st.jpg

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7937/vhulk12cj.jpg
http://img70.exs.cx/img70/1148/vhulk21dc.jpg
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/7936/vhulk37dh.jpg

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/7203/hulk25yj.jpg
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/525/hulk33gf.jpg
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/3176/hulk40cw.jpg

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/2706/hulk08rp.jpg
http://img173.exs.cx/img173/8646/hulk011rj.jpg it's one scan where he gets hit, one where he hits back...nvm..i got em now..

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The Hulk?

I dont know how Im able to get it but you all cant well on the last page he ends up koing hulk with his master punch.

Hal has taken down the Hulk also.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/GLandHulk2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/GLandHulk.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hal has taken down the Hulk also.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/GLandHulk2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/GLandHulk.jpg

Im not seeing the hulk koed but hal did display some nice power, not on the level of the destructive force of black bolt but it was nice. I have seen hulk take WAY WAY WAY more than getting stumped by a dinosaur, show him koed in that fight without green lantern needing any help.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Im not seeing the hulk koed but hal did display some nice power, not on the level of the destructive force of black bolt but it was nice. I have seen hulk take WAY WAY WAY more than getting stumped by a dinosaur, show him koed in that fight without green lantern needing any help. Did Hal need any help in those scans?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hal has taken down the Hulk also.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/GLandHulk2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/GLandHulk.jpg those scans kinda dont look real!

Originally posted by outavodka
those scans kinda dont look real! They are from a legit crossover. Hal was kicking Hulks @ss until Access swayed his attention way then Hulk left.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did Hal need any help in those scans?

after the hulk got mad from getting stomped on, yeah he would need plenty of help. What is the name of that comic where you got that from.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
after the hulk got mad from getting stomped on, yeah he would need plenty of help. What is the name of that comic where you got that from. Actually Hulk was pinned. When Hal was distracted by Access then and only then did Hulk break free.

snoop were you able to look at the sites that I put for you about hulk

Originally posted by jmcnasty
snoop were you able to look at the sites that I put for you about hulk Never tried. I know what the Hulk can do.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
They are from a legit crossover. Hal was kicking Hulks @ss until Access swayed his attention way then Hulk left. yeah i know bout the amalgam crossover just never gave a damn for it.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Never tried. I know what the Hulk can do.

Look at the sites and this argument will be irrelevant because you'll see him taking down the hulk and also click on the site that i gave you that he took down the apocalypse.

Isn't that All Access/Amalgam crossover non-canon...?

BTW can we get off the Hulk topic...it's not that impressive...when you look at both of their feats...I mean so what, they both KO'd the Hulk...given his 1 Dimensional powerset there are a lot of people who can beat him....

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Isn't that All Access/Amalgam crossover non-canon...?

BTW can we get off the Hulk topic...it's not that impressive...when you look at both of their feats...I mean so what, they both KO'd the Hulk...given his 1 Dimensional powerset there are a lot of people who can beat him....

yeah that true but can a lot of beings take down galactic enemy or hand thor his a-- or beat the breaks out of gladiator or fight the entire fantastic four to a stand still or take out apocalypse in a half of page or take out magneto relatively easy or take out mandarin with ease or take out captain atom with ease or even take out nova with ease. All of these people I have name are power houses and black bolt have beaten them without breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
yeah that true but can a lot of beings take down galactic enemy or hand thor his a-- or beat the breaks out of gladiator or fight the entire fantastic four to a stand still or take out apocalypse in a half of page or take out magneto relatively easy or take out mandarin with ease or take out captain atom with ease or even take out nova with ease. All of these people I have name are power houses and black bolt have beaten them without breaking a sweat.

I mean take out galactis enemy

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Does he have a ongoing series? Nope, that's why he has less low showings than Hal.

When we compare characters we use their best showings and by doing that BB is tough but Hal operates on a higher level.

and snoops werent you the one who created this site, why would you say things like this that makes it look like gl would just mop the floor with bb when you made it look like black bolt would give hal comp by making this site. Your a hypocrit

Originally posted by jmcnasty
and snoops werent you the one who created this site, why would you say things like this that makes it look like gl would just mop the floor with bb when you made it look like black bolt would give hal comp by making this site. Your a hypocrit I have no idea what you just said.

I know my typing was terrible but what i was saying is that you created this fight but youre making it look like gl can win this fight very easy.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I know my typing was terrible but what i was saying is that you created this fight but youre making it look like gl can win this fight very easy. If Hal fights to his pull power-set he'll win most of the time. If he fights like he normaly does it's a little closer with a edge to Hal.

i disagree with you on that, i say black bolt 7 out of 10 but everyone have there own opinion, cant change yours, even though I showed you about 10 fights with black bolt defeating champions that could slap superman around.

Hal wins majority of this fight, Blackbolts gets majorly overwhelmed by Gl's construct.. Its quite difficult to fight off someone who can shrink to atom size, teleportational capabilities, High level matter/energy manipulation, biomolecular feats (can easily devevolved any beings), and many many more.. Hal 8-9/10... Just my 2 cents..

I suppose Hal can make a shield up for protection from the scream. I mean OA power-rings are powerful weapons. And that's where Black Bolts abilities stop...He cannot really do anything which Hal can't counter. He will be cut to half by a huge green broadsword.

Hal's been beaten up by Despero. Badly. Hal just managed to beat him but his GL forcefields were penetrated and his arm was broken from simple physical strength. That's the Hal people think about when he loses.

Hal also has feats of stopping supernova's or black holes or crap like that. That's the Hal people think of when he wins. There's a solution to this and no, it is not PIS or CIS. People who continue to think that just don't like applying their brains. Therefore, in the same fashion of explaining just how Cap's shield absorption properties work: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5319612& amp;highlight=forumid%3A77+userid%3A77143#post5319
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and Wolverine's healing powers work:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5050676& amp;highlight=Wolverine+forumid%3A77+userid%3A7714
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and Iceman's powers work: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5051656& amp;highlight=forumid%3A77+userid%3A77143#post5051
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I shall tackle this inconsistency that is more than just inconsistency. Hell, it happens every other GL comic. Hal gets punched, Hal stops supernova, repeat.

Here's the solution: There's a difference in what Hal does and how he utilizes the ring in those two situations. The first situation is Hal using 'strength constructs.' Usually, Hal uses 'strength contructs' which are certainly strong but can be penetrated. Hal used them against Despero, Stewart used them in 'Sacrifice,' and they were all blown away by physical force. They are tied directly to willpower and significant physical force can break them.

The second situation, when he's running around doing all his 'star-level' feats are when Hal's using energy manipulation. This is also directly linked to willpower in the concentration it takes to manipulate energy.

Let me illustrate this difference between 'strength construct' and energy manipulation with an analogy, Onslaught from MU had both telekinetic and magnetic powers. Now if he was forced to bend adamantium, which of his powers would be more convenient and less exhausting? His magnetic powers of course. TK power would result in extremely difficult physical manipulation rather than simple magnetic molecular warping. That's the same deal with Hal. When he deals with black holes, he's not using a physical strength construct to combat the gravitational forces of the black hole, he simply manipulates space/time continuum to contain/shunt it, whatever. Same thing when he contains a supernova.

The explanation sounds too simple to be true but it works. Otherwise, all those physical strength constructs GL's make would never break. But we see that they always do. SPB broke 300 GL's combined strength construct in 'Infinite Crisis.' You think SPB had the power of 300 black holes? Doomsday, pre-Death of Superman broke a GL's strength construct physically, did he have the strength of a blackhole then? It's a simple answer yes, but it works on all levels.

So back to Blackbolt's and Hal Jordan's fight. Hal would probably throw up strength constructs in defense or attack against BB and that would be the end of it. Because BB's scream would blow away Hal's strength constructs. The feedback renders Hal unconscious. And yes, a full force strength construct being shattered results in the Green Lantern's willpower being shattered. It's happened dozens of times. Stewart is unconscious after Superman broke his 'strength construct' in 'Sacrifice.' Hal was knocked dizzy whenever Despero penetrated his fields in 'Emerald Twilight.' The first Green Lantern Doomsday met, was killed when DD broke out of the 'strength construct bubble' which stunned the GL.

Only way Hal defends against the scream is if he were able to analyze its energy wavelength or frequencies before getting hit with it full force, which I'm sure his ring could do if given an opportunity. He'd use energy manipulation to negate the scream's effects. That's Hal's only chance. But everytime I've seen BB use his scream, he uses it with precision and careful determination and it always works. He knows when he needs just a whisper and when he needs a full shout. I've never seen his scream fail. That's why I think the first scream is the last scream and Hal generally never gets a chance to analyze the energies to compensate.

Black Bolt 7/10

So what your sayin is that disregard Hals high showing and just used low showing feats while you use Blackbolts highfeats... That not fair..lol

His more than shown what his contruct is made off.. SBP plowed through Gl's squads, Hal did desame... Plus his got more than making construct at his disposal.. invisibility doubt BB has got some way of tracking that, his amp strength to the point of slugging Mongul out in one shot, teleportational could easy teleports BB on the sun or a black hole, matter manipulation and the likes.. His done this on more than 1 heck 3 ocassions so its not pis... Everyones got low showing.. Hal would beat BB desame way Ronan beat him... What i mentioned above is mostly his normal showings..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hal's been beaten up by Despero. Badly. Hal just managed to beat him but his GL forcefields were penetrated and his arm was broken from simple physical strength. That's the Hal people think about when he loses.

Hal also has feats of stopping supernova's or black holes or crap like that. That's the Hal people think of when he wins. There's a solution to this and no, it is not PIS or CIS. People who continue to think that just don't like applying their brains. Therefore, in the same fashion of explaining just how Cap's shield absorption properties work: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5319612& amp;highlight=forumid%3A77+userid%3A77143#post5319
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and Wolverine's healing powers work:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5050676& amp;highlight=Wolverine+forumid%3A77+userid%3A7714
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and Iceman's powers work: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=5051656& amp;highlight=forumid%3A77+userid%3A77143#post5051
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I shall tackle this inconsistency that is more than just inconsistency. Hell, it happens every other GL comic. Hal gets punched, Hal stops supernova, repeat.

Here's the solution: There's a difference in what Hal does and how he utilizes the ring in those two situations. The first situation is Hal using 'strength constructs.' Usually, Hal uses 'strength contructs' which are certainly strong but can be penetrated. Hal used them against Despero, Stewart used them in 'Sacrifice,' and they were all blown away by physical force. They are tied directly to willpower and significant physical force can break them.

The second situation, when he's running around doing all his 'star-level' feats are when Hal's using energy manipulation. This is also directly linked to willpower in the concentration it takes to manipulate energy.

Let me illustrate this difference between 'strength construct' and energy manipulation with an analogy, Onslaught from MU had both telekinetic and magnetic powers. Now if he was forced to bend adamantium, which of his powers would be more convenient and less exhausting? His magnetic powers of course. TK power would result in extremely difficult physical manipulation rather than simple magnetic molecular warping. That's the same deal with Hal. When he deals with black holes, he's not using a physical strength construct to combat the gravitational forces of the black hole, he simply manipulates space/time continuum to contain/shunt it, whatever. Same thing when he contains a supernova.

The explanation sounds too simple to be true but it works. Otherwise, all those physical strength constructs GL's make would never break. But we see that they always do. SPB broke 300 GL's combined strength construct in 'Infinite Crisis.' You think SPB had the power of 300 black holes? Doomsday, pre-Death of Superman broke a GL's strength construct physically, did he have the strength of a blackhole then? It's a simple answer yes, but it works on all levels.

So back to Blackbolt's and Hal Jordan's fight. Hal would probably throw up strength constructs in defense or attack against BB and that would be the end of it. Because BB's scream would blow away Hal's strength constructs. The feedback renders Hal unconscious. And yes, a full force strength construct being shattered results in the Green Lantern's willpower being shattered. It's happened dozens of times. Stewart is unconscious after Superman broke his 'strength construct' in 'Sacrifice.' Hal was knocked dizzy whenever Despero penetrated his fields in 'Emerald Twilight.' The first Green Lantern Doomsday met, was killed when DD broke out of the 'strength construct bubble' which stunned the GL.

Only way Hal defends against the scream is if he were able to analyze its energy wavelength or frequencies before getting hit with it full force, which I'm sure his ring could do if given an opportunity. He'd use energy manipulation to negate the scream's effects. That's Hal's only chance. But everytime I've seen BB use his scream, he uses it with precision and careful determination and it always works. He knows when he needs just a whisper and when he needs a full shout. I've never seen his scream fail. That's why I think the first scream is the last scream and Hal generally never gets a chance to analyze the energies to compensate.

Black Bolt 7/10
No you are wrong Black Bolt's screams wound do a thing to Hal IMO cause Kyle was able to contain a Big Bang and that is farover BB's Scream in destruction. He could just contain BB and revert his scream on him or there is always the time stop alternative.He could also devolve him into a molecule he has countless ways to beat him. Hal takes the majority IMO.

Well if you guys had paid attention at all to my theory, its all about space/time and energy manipulation for his high-end feats. But that is if he can analyze and knows exactly what he's dealing with. If he doesn't, or he's forced to deal with physical strength, he uses straight up 'strength constructs' akin to telekinesis.

I'm not ignoring his high-end feats. I'm explaining how they can be reconciled with his low showings. They are not low showings. He's just using the ring in a more primitive way. When he can use more sophisticated measures with the more complicated abilities open to his ring, he can use em. As I illustrated, Onslaught has access to magnetic and telekinetic powers. Would it be easier for him to bend adamantium with magnetic manipulation or telekinetic force? Same thing.

Like I said, if Hal has the opportunity to analyze Black Bolt's screams, he should be able to manipulate that energy frequency/wavelength and maybe even turn it against him. But only if he's given an opportunity. And like I said, Black Bolt always end a fight with a sonic scream. He NEVER gives a person an opportunity when the fight goes that far. He ends it. Therefore, Black Bolt wins more often than not.

Black Bolt 7/10

Why does he need to analyse BB scream to beat him.. If Hal wishes to he could go H2H while amping strength (Okay that be bad tactics on his part but if he makes a contruct preventing BB from screaming, hed TKO him) or just teleports him to a blackhole you dont have to anylyse BB scream to do that.. How bout Hit and run tactic coupled with invisibility/speed hows BB going to counter that kind of tactics... Hals is definetly faster in both fighting and overall speed..

Hal has the power to beat him. His imagination is way over BB's abilities and his scream. And Ring grants him the power to be one of the strongest heroes...

Originally posted by Roldz
Why does he need to analyse BB scream to beat him.. If Hal wishes to he could go H2H while amping strength (Okay that be bad tactics on his part but if he makes a contruct preventing BB from screaming, hed TKO him) or just teleports him to a blackhole you dont have to anylyse BB scream to do that.. How bout Hit and run tactic coupled with invisibility/speed hows BB going to counter that kind of tactics... Hals is definetly faster in both fighting and overall speed.. I'll respond to every single one of your points. 1) GL Corps protocol prevents use of the ring for killing. You'd have to override it with a request which takes time. 2) GL has used amped strength before and he falls far short of a guy with Mongul strength. 3) Black Bolt doesn't inhale air to scream like Black Canary. The mental command for vocalization is directly connected to his control of the ionic sonic particles which are his actual scream. If GL put a muzzle on Black Bolt's mouth, the sonic scream would still work. He only needs to make a sound with his vocal cords. He can do that even with his mouth closed by humming. 4) Teleporting into a black hole is BFR (battlefield removal) and is cheap and I never consider it a win. Otherwise Nightcrawler wins against Hulk. 5) Hit and run is a nice thought, but Hal doesn't fight at superspeed like Superman, he can merely accelerate to superspeed. Black Bolt is the same way and can reach supersonic speeds of 600 mph. But I do agree if Hal ran away like a wuss and took potshots and overwhelmed Black Bolt before he could let loose a sonic scream with his ring, he would win. Hence, I gave him 3/10 fights.

But Hal's fearless, he never fights like that. Even when outclassed and powerless he goes straight-forward into the fight. He's courageous and stubborn to the point of reckless. Fearless. He'd never fight the way you described it. And these characters ought to stay true to character during theoretical KMC fights. But like I said, Hal might do that for a third of his fights and probably win if he fought out of character or had a reason to do so.

Black Bolt 7/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hal doesn't fight at superspeed like Superman, he can merely accelerate to superspeed. This might be true.

Basically what it boils down to is BB has to pull his trump card and Hal has to fight like a complete f*cking idiot in order for BB to win.

Full potential? GL wins.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hal doesn't fight at superspeed like Superman, he can merely accelerate to superspeed.

He can and has fought a superspeeds before. Does he do it more times than not? Obviously no, but he can indeed fight at superspeeds.

the funny thing about black bolt is that on panel he has yet to let out a full scream, up to date he has only whispered, though hal has some killer energy containing/canceling feats in his own right , his shields might have a problem with black bolt's full scream..plus Hal is just a guy with a ring, he's prone to fatigue and battle weary, so much so that his clothes end up ripped and tattered a few times, and his nose and lips bleeding..while BB on the other hand can absorb electrons from the atmosphere and recharge..you gotta remember that hal is the one with the indomitable will, not the unparalleeld imagination(kyle) so while he is out there dicking aroun with BB and creating giant fists and boxing gloves, just one solid punch or electron blast from BB and he's done, not to mention the "master blow"

Hal FTW

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'll respond to every single one of your points. 1) GL Corps protocol prevents use of the ring for killing. You'd have to override it with a request which takes time. 2) GL has used amped strength before and he falls far short of a guy with Mongul strength. 3) Black Bolt doesn't inhale air to scream like Black Canary. The mental command for vocalization is directly connected to his control of the ionic sonic particles which are his actual scream. If GL put a muzzle on Black Bolt's mouth, the sonic scream would still work. He only needs to make a sound with his vocal cords. He can do that even with his mouth closed by humming. 4) Teleporting into a black hole is BFR (battlefield removal) and is cheap and I never consider it a win. Otherwise Nightcrawler wins against Hulk. 5) Hit and run is a nice thought, but Hal doesn't fight at superspeed like Superman, he can merely accelerate to superspeed. Black Bolt is the same way and can reach supersonic speeds of 600 mph. But I do agree if Hal ran away like a wuss and took potshots and overwhelmed Black Bolt before he could let loose a sonic scream with his ring, he would win. Hence, I gave him 3/10 fights.

But Hal's fearless, he never fights like that. Even when outclassed and powerless he goes straight-forward into the fight. He's courageous and stubborn to the point of reckless. Fearless. He'd never fight the way you described it. And these characters ought to stay true to character during theoretical KMC fights. But like I said, Hal might do that for a third of his fights and probably win if he fought out of character or had a reason to do so.

Black Bolt 7/10
1.)He didnt have any problem going through and killing any GL's when he went mad... He didnt need to request or do anything overiding but you are right its out of his char.. but in my defense i didnt say any killing...
2.)He knocked Mongul off a few loops and how about withstanding blows from Cyborg and blitzing Cyborg..
3.)I didnt know that.. and i said it could be a bad tactics specially against a guy who brakes down matter into subatomic particles..
4.)Teleportation is cheap but is a valid tactics specially if you've got no other choice.. Nightcrawler is a force to be recon with and yes he beats Hulk.. lol
5.)http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rroldz/detail?.dir=79d8scd&.dnm=8bfdscd.jpg&.src=ph
Is that not fast enough for you, his also blits Cyborg and Superman not to mention keep up with Flash..

Weve havent even touch matter/time manipulation yet..
All this ive mentioned are on comic panel, not speculation.. Even that hit and run tactics, so how is that not in his characteristic..
How would you proposed BB would win against Hal by the way? All he does is scream out loud..lol which is easily avoid by Hal...

Black Bolt (HoM) defeasts Apocalypse with a mere whisper.

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Going against Gladiator..

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Against Richard Ryder Nova.

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Owns Mandarin

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Remember classic Shpinx ? the one that fought Galactus?

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vs Thing
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BB > Black Holes
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vs Magneto
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vs Hulk
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Containment field
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Electron powers
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vs Cap Atom Lite
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Matter manipulation
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Have you seen the Hal Jordan respect thread?

Nice scans but i dont see anything that would be of great use against Hal.. Unless your seing something im not...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t366379.html

Direct comparison of feats BB is outgunned bigtime.

If Black Bolt can make Hal go mad. And he is facing an all out Green Lantern. He hasn't got a chance. Hal can stop time, distroy life forms and recreate them and so and so...Even Kyle had awesome feats, but Hal is even stronger than him.

Some people give the GLs too much credit, they are basically slow-surfers with limited energy and autoshield (I'm not saying thats bad at all, but some people make them out to be more than they are and shunt too many factors).

Black Bolt is one of the most underrated characters around here which doesnt help the matter at hand.

The most realistic result I can give here is 5/10

limited energy and autoshields? John took a planet destroying bomb with his auto shield

Originally posted by Bentley
Some people give the GLs too much creditMost people don't give them nearly enough credit.

Hal wins, with the myriad of abilities he can use against Blackbolt.

Originally posted by Bentley
Some people give the GLs too much credit, they are basically slow-surfers with limited energy and autoshield (I'm not saying thats bad at all, but some people make them out to be more than they are and shunt too many factors).

Black Bolt is one of the most underrated characters around here which doesnt help the matter at hand.

The most realistic result I can give here is 5/10

....

Black Bolt is over rated like CRAZY on this forum.

Some people were seriously considering giving him odds against the SURFER.

Jesus....

Hal, 9/10.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
limited energy and autoshields? John took a planet destroying bomb with his auto shield I sincerely doubt the auto-shield absorbed the full brunt of the concussive and energy yield of the planet's destruction. I've seen a GL autoshield be bypassed with a Batman punch. More often than once. To reconcile the two, I'd say the former was merely the autoshield acting as a buffer which allowed GL John to float along the wave of force instead of riding against it, same way a single leaf can safely ride the crest of a tidal wave, while the tidal wave itself destroys a two story house. And the latter? Well, GL's auto-shield goes away when a GL diverts all will into a focused act. Like in 'Crisis of Conscience' where GL Hal is trying to overcome Despero's concentrated psi-beam attack with his ring and using considerable effort to do it, until Batman came over and punched him in the face and gave him a split lip.

Just goes to show that in my experience and long readings of comic books, I've found that you can pretty much explain and reconcile almost everything. Even the most dubious occurences. Comic writers aren't complete morons after all.

I've already said for the record that Blackbolt takes it 7/10. I'll qualify that a bit more and say that Black Bolt takes it 6/10, only because Hal can be pretty badass when he's forced to. But I don't think Black Bolt's scream is overrated. Facing the number and caliber of opponents he's had and never having lost a fight even with just a "whisper" of his scream just goes to show you that he is a prince of restraint that houses insane power. I've seen Hal beaten by much less and more often than not, he's beaten by much less. Usually it happens when he's initially overwhelmed by something. He comes back in round 2 and finds a way around it. But round 1 standards? Black Bolt's scream is as good a thing to put your money on as anything else against a GL. My opinion anyways...

I duno,

i dont think blackbolt is very well understood on these fourms. Perhaps GL as well

but i know gl's autoshield doesnt just perpetually stay up
Can the enery that comes out of the rings be manipulated? because Blackbolt has surfer-esque matter manipulation.

IM not saying BB wins, but im not saying he loses either. I think it requires a little more thought than a simple write off, for either side.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Facing the number and caliber of opponents he's had and never having lost a fight even with just a "whisper" of his scream just goes to show you that he is a prince of restraint that houses insane power. I've seen Hal beaten by much less and more often than not, he's beaten by much less. While I don't doubt BB's power. He's a supporting character while Hal has to support a ongoing series. So he has to job once in awhile.

Both at full potential Hal wins.

Full potential is a very hazardous term that ignores many things. First of all, its an absolute... and only Sith lords deal in absolutes. So for one thing, you're an evil, evil man. For the second thing, it ignores coming to grips with everything the actual character has ever done and reduces them to feats. And when you reduce a character to feats, it doesn't solve much. In fact, it solves absolutely nothing most of the time.

What if the character's feats don't match up to give a strong basis for comparison, or the character has a weakness, or the character doesn't usually show himself at full potential? I think the forum members' fascination with specific feats is very flawed. Captain America has beaten Red Skull who has had and even absorbed the Cosmic Cube by himself, every single time. Cap at full potential, no matter how you square it, has singlehandedly beaten omnipotent persons. At full potential, Cap wins against omnipotent persons. What's wrong with this analysis? It ignores plot and character for the single primacy of a mere feat, or accomplishment. The mere feat or accomplishment in and of itself can involve a sh1tload of things. A twist, a scientific explanation, a cop-out. Any myriad of possibilities that made that feat/accomplishment possible.

I see no difference when someone reduces a supernova containing GL as his character's mettle or worth in battle as Cap beatin Cosmic Cube Red Skull as his mettle or worth in battle. Both reductions are infantile in the same way. You ignore the character's vulnerabilities, their personalities, their very actions. You very simpy ignore everything else about the character.

Hal at "full potential" unloads a salvo at Black Bolt that has the ability to implode a sun in a single instant. I don't doubt that he certainly could do such a thing. But let me ask, when has Hal ever done such a thing? He's done similar things in certain circumstances, but when has he ever done such a thing in a fight? When I see Hal fight, I see him shooting beams of energy, or making constructs and pummeling or redirecting energy. I never see him unload a sun implodign salvo the very instant the battle starts. In fact, when there are crises that would ask for very drastic reactions, Hal still doesn't do it. So why is it so very easy for KMC'ers to assume that such an act equates to him winning a theoretical fight? It's a$$ backwards stupid if you ask me. You completely take the character out of the character. For one damn thing, Hal Jordan isn't some cheap shotting thug who wields his ring with such destructive intentions with no regards for life. It's the furthest thing from Hal you'd ever expect and yet, "well... durr... he could do it... even though he never would... or has done it..." apparently floats as a real argumentative basis. If the character doesn't do or wouldn't do what you hope he could do, then it's simple to admit that it probably has no point for citation in a hypothetical fight.

If anything, the full potential Hal shooting a sun imploding salvo counts for 1/100 fights. I'm more interested in what he does the other 99 times out of a 100. So while some of you may believe that I stupidly ignore high end feats, I give them their due. But since they normally don't count for much in terms of the character, I give them exactly what their worth. That 1 out of a hundred instances such a thing would actually matter in a hypothetical fight between the characters. If you want to base your opinion on 1% of what matters, that's your cup of tea you evil, evil man.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Full potential is a very hazardous term that ignores many things. First of all, its an absolute... and only Sith lords deal in absolutes. So for one thing, you're an evil, evil man. For the second thing, it ignores coming to grips with everything the actual character has ever done and reduces them to feats. And when you reduce a character to feats, it doesn't solve much. In fact, it solves absolutely nothing most of the time.

What if the character's feats don't match up to give a strong basis for comparison, or the character has a weakness, or the character doesn't usually show himself at full potential? I think the forum members' fascination with specific feats is very flawed. Captain America has beaten Red Skull who has had and even absorbed the Cosmic Cube by himself, every single time. Cap at full potential, no matter how you square it, has singlehandedly beaten omnipotent persons. At full potential, Cap wins against omnipotent persons. What's wrong with this analysis? It ignores plot and character for the single primacy of a mere feat, or accomplishment. The mere feat or accomplishment in and of itself can involve a sh1tload of things. A twist, a scientific explanation, a cop-out. Any myriad of possibilities that made that feat/accomplishment possible.

I see no difference when someone reduces a supernova containing GL as his character's mettle or worth in battle as Cap beatin Cosmic Cube Red Skull as his mettle or worth in battle. Both reductions are infantile in the same way. You ignore the character's vulnerabilities, their personalities, their very actions. You very simpy ignore everything else about the character.

Hal at "full potential" unloads a salvo at Black Bolt that has the ability to implode a sun in a single instant. I don't doubt that he certainly could do such a thing. But let me ask, when has Hal ever done such a thing? He's done similar things in certain circumstances, but when has he ever done such a thing in a fight? When I see Hal fight, I see him shooting beams of energy, or making constructs and pummeling or redirecting energy. I never see him unload a sun implodign salvo the very instant the battle starts. In fact, when there are crises that would ask for very drastic reactions, Hal still doesn't do it. So why is it so very easy for KMC'ers to assume that such an act equates to him winning a theoretical fight? It's a$$ backwards stupid if you ask me. You completely take the character out of the character. For one damn thing, Hal Jordan isn't some cheap shotting thug who wields his ring with such destructive intentions with no regards for life. It's the furthest thing from Hal you'd ever expect and yet, "well... durr... he could do it... even though he never would... or has done it..." apparently floats as a real argumentative basis. If the character doesn't do or wouldn't do what you hope he could do, then it's simple to admit that it probably has no point for citation in a hypothetical fight.

If anything, the full potential Hal shooting a sun imploding salvo counts for 1/100 fights. I'm more interested in what he does the other 99 times out of a 100. So while some of you may believe that I stupidly ignore high end feats, I give them their due. But since they normally don't count for much in terms of the character, I give them exactly what their worth. That 1 out of a hundred instances such a thing would actually matter in a hypothetical fight between the characters. If you want to base your opinion on 1% of what matters, that's your cup of tea you evil, evil man. Originally posted by snoopdogg
While I don't doubt BB's power. He's a supporting character while Hal has to support a ongoing series. So he has to job once in awhile.

Both at full potential Hal wins.

Hal Jordon 6-7 out of 10

people understamate BB

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Full potential is a very hazardous term that ignores many things. First of all, its an absolute... and only Sith lords deal in absolutes. So for one thing, you're an evil, evil man. For the second thing, it ignores coming to grips with everything the actual character has ever done and reduces them to feats. And when you reduce a character to feats, it doesn't solve much. In fact, it solves absolutely nothing most of the time.

What if the character's feats don't match up to give a strong basis for comparison, or the character has a weakness, or the character doesn't usually show himself at full potential? I think the forum members' fascination with specific feats is very flawed. Captain America has beaten Red Skull who has had and even absorbed the Cosmic Cube by himself, every single time. Cap at full potential, no matter how you square it, has singlehandedly beaten omnipotent persons. At full potential, Cap wins against omnipotent persons. What's wrong with this analysis? It ignores plot and character for the single primacy of a mere feat, or accomplishment. The mere feat or accomplishment in and of itself can involve a sh1tload of things. A twist, a scientific explanation, a cop-out. Any myriad of possibilities that made that feat/accomplishment possible.

I see no difference when someone reduces a supernova containing GL as his character's mettle or worth in battle as Cap beatin Cosmic Cube Red Skull as his mettle or worth in battle. Both reductions are infantile in the same way. You ignore the character's vulnerabilities, their personalities, their very actions. You very simpy ignore everything else about the character.

Hal at "full potential" unloads a salvo at Black Bolt that has the ability to implode a sun in a single instant. I don't doubt that he certainly could do such a thing. But let me ask, when has Hal ever done such a thing? He's done similar things in certain circumstances, but when has he ever done such a thing in a fight? When I see Hal fight, I see him shooting beams of energy, or making constructs and pummeling or redirecting energy. I never see him unload a sun implodign salvo the very instant the battle starts. In fact, when there are crises that would ask for very drastic reactions, Hal still doesn't do it. So why is it so very easy for KMC'ers to assume that such an act equates to him winning a theoretical fight? It's a$$ backwards stupid if you ask me. You completely take the character out of the character. For one damn thing, Hal Jordan isn't some cheap shotting thug who wields his ring with such destructive intentions with no regards for life. It's the furthest thing from Hal you'd ever expect and yet, "well... durr... he could do it... even though he never would... or has done it..." apparently floats as a real argumentative basis. If the character doesn't do or wouldn't do what you hope he could do, then it's simple to admit that it probably has no point for citation in a hypothetical fight.

If anything, the full potential Hal shooting a sun imploding salvo counts for 1/100 fights. I'm more interested in what he does the other 99 times out of a 100. So while some of you may believe that I stupidly ignore high end feats, I give them their due. But since they normally don't count for much in terms of the character, I give them exactly what their worth. That 1 out of a hundred instances such a thing would actually matter in a hypothetical fight between the characters. If you want to base your opinion on 1% of what matters, that's your cup of tea you evil, evil man.

Incredible post* * * :O
This should be stickied, or something

I love BB and all. But Hal Jordan can do things that BB dreams about. It comes down to power and Hal has alot more of it. I go with Hal 7/10.

But BB is VERY underrated imo also.