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Revan and Bastila face off against ROTS Sidious and TPM Maul. Which pair wins?

Setting: Jedi Temple

Well since I'd consider Revan a even match for Palaptine in ROTS as a Jedi, he'd be busy fighting him while Bastila gets tooled by Maul, then Maul and Sidious double team and kill Revan.

Revan takes Sidious, Bastilla takes Maul. or Revan takes em both (he could probably do that, I'm thinking, but it'd be very close).

Bastila CANNOT beat Maul, no way in hell that would happen. I doubt Revan would be able to beat Sidious, but its a possibility.

Maul would skull**** Bastilla and then help Sidious WTFPwn Revan.

You believe Bastila will get "tooled" by Maul?

Bastila Shan was one the Jedi Order's gifted students. Not just for her Battle Meditation, but for her skill in the Force and the lightsaber. During the Jedi Civil War, the Jedi sent her to lead a strike Force in Revan's flagship. Bastila was powerful enough to power through Revan's Sith security and corner Revan. You see her also cutting down Revan's bodyguard with not much difficulty (she doesn't seem tired). This is quite an impressive feat.

In addition, she faced off against Revan on the Rakatan planet, and she seemed to give a nice fight against the former Dark Lord. Note, this is KOTOR Revan, who has surpassed the strength of Darth Revan. She also manages to fight Revan on the Star Forge, though she loses.

As a Jedi, she used powers as variant as Stun to Mind Trick.

Here's how Star Wars Databank describese Shan:

"""Like most Jedi of the ancient order, Bastila Shan was found to be Force-sensitive at a young age, and spirited away from her family to be raised within the order. Despite the stern discipline of a Jedi upbringing, Bastila grew to be a brash, impulsive young woman.
Shan was gifted in art of Jedi Battle Meditation, a rare ability usually only accessible to the most skilled and wizened Jedi Masters. Through sheer force of will, she could influence the course of massive battles. She could bolster the courage of one side of a battle, while draining the resolve of another. It is an exhausting feat, but Bastila proved extremely valuable in crucial engagements during Darth Malak's campaigns against the Republic.

Knowing how valuable she was to the order, the Jedi Council urged Bastila to be cautious, be she nonetheless devoted every fiber of her being towards defeating the Sith menace and proving herself to the Jedi.

Bastila was instrumental in the last great Republic riposte against Darth Malak and Darth Revan, splitting the pair and conquering one of the Sith Lords. The Jedi Council had learned sketchy details about the Sith plot involving the Star Forge, but needed more information in order to stop it. They crafted a devious and controversial plan into which Bastila Shan figured prominently.

The captive Revan underwent a memory wipe, and was given a new identity. This new persona was paired with Bastila Shan in the search for Darth Malak and the Star Forge. Bastila kept a wary eye on Revan, always alert at signs of the dark side. Such an awareness opened her to the dark side more than she intended. The quest for the Star Forge, which spanned worlds, kept Revan and Bastila working side-by-side, and thrust Bastila into difficult and challenging roles as a Jedi.

Bastila, Carth Onasi and the reformed Revan were captured by Darth Malak and held prisoner aboard his flagship, the Leviathan. With the help of their comrades from the Ebon Hawk, the trio escaped, but not before Revan found out the truth behind the Jedi Council's duplicity. Stunned, Revan grappled with the revelation, as Bastila heroically attacked Darth Malak to act as a distraction. Revan and Carth fled to the Hawk, blasting free of the Sith warship, but Bastila was once again imprisoned."""


Now, Maul is very good. However, i doubt he can "tool" Bastila, just defeat her.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
You believe Bastila will get "tooled" by Maul?

Bastila Shan was one the Jedi Order's gifted students. Not just for her Battle Meditation, but for her skill in the Force and the lightsaber. During the Jedi Civil War, the Jedi sent her to lead a strike Force in Revan's flagship. Bastila was powerful enough to power through Revan's Sith security and corner Revan. You see her also cutting down Revan's bodyguard with not much difficulty (she doesn't seem tired). This is quite an impressive feat.

In addition, she faced off against Revan on the Rakatan planet, and she seemed to give a nice fight against the former Dark Lord. Note, this is KOTOR Revan, who has surpassed the strength of Darth Revan. She also manages to fight Revan on the Star Forge, though she loses.

As a Jedi, she used powers as variant as Stun to Mind Trick.

Here's how Star Wars Databank describese Shan:

"""Like most Jedi of the ancient order, Bastila Shan was found to be Force-sensitive at a young age, and spirited away from her family to be raised within the order. Despite the stern discipline of a Jedi upbringing, Bastila grew to be a brash, impulsive young woman.
Shan was gifted in art of Jedi Battle Meditation, a rare ability usually only accessible to the most skilled and wizened Jedi Masters. Through sheer force of will, she could influence the course of massive battles. She could bolster the courage of one side of a battle, while draining the resolve of another. It is an exhausting feat, but Bastila proved extremely valuable in crucial engagements during Darth Malak's campaigns against the Republic.

Knowing how valuable she was to the order, the Jedi Council urged Bastila to be cautious, be she nonetheless devoted every fiber of her being towards defeating the Sith menace and proving herself to the Jedi.

Bastila was instrumental in the last great Republic riposte against Darth Malak and Darth Revan, splitting the pair and conquering one of the Sith Lords. The Jedi Council had learned sketchy details about the Sith plot involving the Star Forge, but needed more information in order to stop it. They crafted a devious and controversial plan into which Bastila Shan figured prominently.

The captive Revan underwent a memory wipe, and was given a new identity. This new persona was paired with Bastila Shan in the search for Darth Malak and the Star Forge. Bastila kept a wary eye on Revan, always alert at signs of the dark side. Such an awareness opened her to the dark side more than she intended. The quest for the Star Forge, which spanned worlds, kept Revan and Bastila working side-by-side, and thrust Bastila into difficult and challenging roles as a Jedi.

Bastila, Carth Onasi and the reformed Revan were captured by Darth Malak and held prisoner aboard his flagship, the Leviathan. With the help of their comrades from the Ebon Hawk, the trio escaped, but not before Revan found out the truth behind the Jedi Council's duplicity. Stunned, Revan grappled with the revelation, as Bastila heroically attacked Darth Malak to act as a distraction. Revan and Carth fled to the Hawk, blasting free of the Sith warship, but Bastila was once again imprisoned."""


Now, Maul is very good. However, i doubt he can "tool" Bastila, just defeat her.



I think we all know who Bastila is you don't need to post her Biography. Its never said Bastila was one of the best in the order, she has ONE ability that was rare for her age. That hardly makes her some kind of beast. She's good but nowhere on Mauls level. She NEVER displays lightsaber skills on the level of Maul. And as for cornering Revan, Had Malak not betrayed Revan, I have NO doubt in my mind Revan would have WTFPwned all the Jedi on his brig. As for being chosen, she was chosen because she could use her BM to gain access to Revans ship, thats it. Maul would indeed skull **** Bastila.

1.) BM is not something you can use while you're running around slaughtering Sith security guards. You have to sit down and meditate, hence the name. You see it in a cutscene as well. Bastila's skill was able
to propel her to the bridge, which is an impressive as there's no one left except Revan.

2.) SW Databank "Shan was gifted in art of Jedi Battle Meditation, a rare ability usually only accessible to the most skilled and wizened Jedi Masters." This tells that Bastila not only knew BM but was gifted in it. Most Masters don't even know how to use BM, least of all be skilled in it.

3.) And how does she have no lightsaber technique? She fought against Revan and Rakatan planet and managed to give him a good fight. In addition, notice how easily she learns Dark Side powers to use against him. She must be skilled. Just because we only see her in a video game gives you no right to say "Oh Maul's would wtf pwn Bastila". That's stupid. Look how Revan was displayed in POD, and that was only Darth Revan, and light Revan was given a good fight by Bastila.

Yes, I know Maul would win, but Bastila could easily use Force powers on him and even if he is better in the saber, he cannot in any way tool Bastila.

maul can tool bastila with form VII.

And rots sidious is a match for revan. Note that Rots sidious is as powerful as he was in DE, DE sidious is stronger because of a wider range of force powers.

Bastilla was a master of battle meditation. She had a strong force sense She was easily able to Force Stun her opponents, something that I don't think we've ever seen Maul do. She was also so strong with the Force Mind trick that she could Force Mind trick Hutts, something ROTJ Luke couldn't do, and I doubt Maul's that far ahead of ROTJ Luke. When she was a Sith she used Force Horror, Force Wave and Force Stasis. Force Horror is a powerful Force move which makes multiple opponents go into a catatonic state of panic. Force Wave is an advanced version of Force Push, which is what Yoda and Mace use in the Microseries against the droids on Courscant when they send tons of them flying back. Maul could not stand up to that. Force Stasis is a kore pwoerful version of Force stun. Maul is not that good, he only ever used basic Force Powers like Force Push, telekinesis, speed and grip. He would not be able to beat Bastilla. At the very least Bastila would hold him off till Sidious dies and then Revan and Bastila together would pwn him,

I'd love to see the prof of that.

Gameplay powers? they are not canon, O then maul pwns because he uses red lightning in some game on playstation1

Originally posted by Kadesh
Gameplay powers? they are not canon, O then maul pwns because he uses red lightning in some game on playstation1
Okay, in that case Bastilla lsoes by defualt since she has no power what-so-ever, since she is a game-only character. So really this thread is Revan vs. Maul and Sidious, which is close.

Quote the game then.

Revan was shown to know super powers like Force Thought Bomb and Foce Storm, etc. The Dark Side powers in the video game actually supports this claim of Revan's super strength. I am inclined to believe that the Force powers Revan can learn as a Darksider in KOTOR might actually have been what he learned as Darth Revan.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
1.) BM is not something you can use while you're running around slaughtering Sith security guards. You have to sit down and meditate, hence the name. You see it in a cutscene as well. Bastila's skill was able
to propel her to the bridge, which is an impressive as there's no one left except Revan.

2.) SW Databank "Shan was gifted in art of Jedi Battle Meditation, a rare ability usually only accessible to the most skilled and wizened Jedi Masters." This tells that Bastila not only knew BM but was gifted in it. Most Masters don't even know how to use BM, least of all be skilled in it.

3.) And how does she have no lightsaber technique? She fought against Revan and Rakatan planet and managed to give him a good fight. In addition, notice how easily she learns Dark Side powers to use against him. She must be skilled. Just because we only see her in a video game gives you no right to say "Oh Maul's would wtf pwn Bastila". That's stupid. Look how Revan was displayed in POD, and that was only Darth Revan, and light Revan was given a good fight by Bastila.

Yes, I know Maul would win, but Bastila could easily use Force powers on him and even if he is better in the saber, he cannot in any way tool Bastila.



1. I said Bastila used it to allow the Jedi to get to Revans flagship as the loading screens in KOTOR say, Wow she kills a DJ scrub SHE MUST BE SKILLED! SHE MUST EB ON MAULS LEVEL. Killing a faceless character with no background of power is not something to be impressed with.

2. So what. She knew BM and was good at it, so what. How will that save her from Maul hacking her in half.

3. I beat Bastila in 1 move on Lehon, because that scene is still based on different gameplay it hold no weight in this argument.

1.) The Dark Jedi is part of Revan's bodyguards. Apparently, Revan doesn't keep some measely Sith next to him if any other Sith master could kill them. No, it's just like the Emperor having his personal bodyguards. They are not weak, are they? Bastila cut down Revan's last defence, who have to be strong otherwise Revan must be really stupid to have some measely Sith protect him. However, Revan is a tactical genius, he won't do that. Those DJ must have been masters.

2.) It won't. I proved to you that the Jedi Council sent Bastila for her skill in the saber and Force, not for BM

3.) Why did Malak send Bastila to kill Revan? If Bastila was a weakling, Malak could have just locked her in a room and forced her to do BM when the Republic Capital ships came. No, he knows that she's powerful, so he sends her against Revan. Otherwise, why send her?

What a stupid thread. Bastilla would get destroyed by Maul. It's that simple.

Maul is too powerful for Bastilla. He is far more skilled in martial arts and lightsaber combat, and would ultimately defeat her.

Sidious and Revan would be interesting. In light of Revan's newfound powers, he's certainly on par (and likely better) than RotS Sidious. However, given Sidious's self-preservative fighting style and his instinct for using the environment - as well as his own considerable lightsaber skills and Force powers - he would easily give Revan a fight.

Once Maul kills Bastilla, he'll rush over to help his master kill Revan.

Hey Sexy, why don't you prove it then? Maul cannot wtf pwn Bastila. If you don't believe it, then you're going against logic.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Hey Sexy, why don't you prove it then? Maul cannot wtf pwn Bastila. If you don't believe it, then you're going against logic.

Wow, what a logical statement, now I know why I DON"T have to prove it. Thanks!

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Hey Sexy, why don't you prove it then? Maul cannot wtf pwn Bastila. If you don't believe it, then you're going against logic.

While I do agree that Bastilla was enormously talented, she doesn't stand much of a chance in combat against Maul. Understand, Prodigal, that Maul has trained and mastered a vast array of combat arts and skills. He is stronger, more agile, and faster than Bastilla - and given Maul's track record - I'd not hesitate to say he's considerably more skilled with his lightsaber.

Bastilla possesses Battle Meditation, and that is considerable. But, it really won't factor into a fight against someone who is simply much better trained than she is.

Think about it: Qui-Gon Jinn (Dooku's prized pupil and a man on par with Windu) even confessed that he stood no chance against Maul, despite possessing roughly six decades worth of experience and skill.

Bastilla doesn't have much of a chance, and would likely go down quickly in combat.

WOW, no wonder why everyone puts you in the C Class, can't you read other people's posts?

Your statements are so idiotic, I don't see why I should give you the time of day to respond. But in one final attempt to shut you up.

Mauls abilities involve saber mastery and some force abilities. He was good enough to duel and somewhat defeat Obiwan and Qui Gonn. He was almost able to beat Sidious after having survived on a planet for a month.

Bastilla has absolutely SHIT to her name besides her BM.. Therefore, you lose.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Your statements are so idiotic, I don't see why I should give you the time of day to respond. But in one final attempt to shut you up.

Mauls abilities involve saber mastery and some force abilities. He was good enough to duel and somewhat defeat Obiwan and Qui Gonn. He was almost able to beat Sidious after having survived on a planet for a month.

Bastilla has absolutely SHIT to her name besides her BM.. Therefore, you lose.

And he is good enough to kill bastila

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
1.) The Dark Jedi is part of Revan's bodyguards. Apparently, Revan doesn't keep some measely Sith next to him if any other Sith master could kill them. No, it's just like the Emperor having his personal bodyguards. They are not weak, are they? Bastila cut down Revan's last defence, who have to be strong otherwise Revan must be really stupid to have some measely Sith protect him. However, Revan is a tactical genius, he won't do that. Those DJ must have been masters.

2.) It won't. I proved to you that the Jedi Council sent Bastila for her skill in the saber and Force, not for BM

3.) Why did Malak send Bastila to kill Revan? If Bastila was a weakling, Malak could have just locked her in a room and forced her to do BM when the Republic Capital ships came. No, he knows that she's powerful, so he sends her against Revan. Otherwise, why send her?


1. Conceded.

2. No you didn't, The damn KOTOR loading screens say Bastila was chosen for her BM ability and it was used to break through to Revans ship, which would have otherwise been impossible since KOTOR states that the fleet sent along with the Strike Team was small and the Sith were near invincible with Revans aid. Why would the Jedi risk the ONLY thing keeping the Rpeublic from Sith domination against DARTH F*cuking Revan. They wouldn't, this leads me to believe that Bastila knowing her as many times stated headstrong, impulsive nature she ran ahead to fight Revan, and again why in the **** would the Jedi send a Padawan to fight a Dark Lord especially when there are MASTERS who Bastila admits even when being pumped by the SF as being stronger then her around who are much better suited for the job.

3. Malak didn't send Bastila she went on her own accord, Bastila said Malak didn't even think Revan would return to Lehon.

Aye, Escape, I understand what you are saying. I have acknowledged that Maul win, however I disagree with you that she'll go down quickly, or hence get tooled.

Bastila is powerful without BM. I have already shown that in my posts. Bastila is easily better in the Force than Maul. Maul hasn't even shown us really a single Force move except maybe a Push on Obi-Wan Kenobi.

As for the saber, Maul can probably win. However, considering how the battle goes, I am sure that Bastila will resort on Force attacks on Maul to weaken him down as she'll probably get it that she cannot compete in the saber against the Zabrak Sith Lord.

In the end, she dies. However, by quickly I am not sure what you mean, but I say she lasts at least a minute for sure.

Lasting a minute is still getting owned.

Prodigal Knight, on the subject regarding the "bodyguards", unlike the real world, it is almost taboo in Star Wars for the lackeys and bodyguards to be much weaker than the head honcho themselves.

Unless of course you think that the Royal Guardsmen would be able to stop a threat that Palpatine himself couldn't handle?

Those Dark Jedi weren't likely masters. It's usually a sign of power to have bodyguards - or for them to act as canon fodder.

Consider in RotS. Yoda took down the elite Royal Guards in an almost cartoonish ease. In a single Force attack, he disabled them both. But he had the fight of his life when he engaged Palpatine in combat.

The point is - as with the Royal Guards - they're just "good". There's nothing to presume that his men had any real talents about them.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight


Good god, WHERE? Where has Bastilla shown to be very powerful in the force, much less even more powerful than Maul? Gameplay doesn't mean shit, so I don't know where you are getting your diluted facts from.


Can probably win? I'd say a tooling is what Bastilla is going to get. Since you can't show me what force attacks she has that would give her a decisive advantage over Maul, I'll call bullshit and go with my logic.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Lasting a minute is still getting owned.

The saberfights between Dooku and Yoda, and Sidious and Yoda lasted less than a minute.

Indeed, she was chosen for her BM to help the Republic fleet last for a while agains the Sith. HOWEVER, why would the JEdi risk sending her into Revan's ship all the way to Bridge to confront the Dark Lord. Obviously, they could have chosen someone else to lead the strike team as Bastila is ONLY NEEDED for the BM. I highly doubt that Bastila ran right for Revan. But even so, she still managed to get to the Bridge.

I am not sure if Revan's flagship was the Leviathan, but considering how the Leviathan was fully of security and Revan would probably expect an infiltration, by making it up to him, Bastila has basically eluded all of Revan's guards and traps.

Originally posted by Escape81
The saberfights between Dooku and Yoda, and Sidious and Yoda lasted less than a minute.

I thought the Sidious and Yoda lightsaber duel lasted for a lot longer than a minute.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I thought the Sidious and Yoda lightsaber duel lasted for a lot longer than a minute.

If I recall, the blade-to-blade showdown lasted only about 40 seconds.

Oh ok. I was including everthing that happened in between. Don't know if that was in the novelization or not.

Originally posted by Escape81
The saberfights between Dooku and Yoda, and Sidious and Yoda lasted less than a minute.

And Dooku was about to get owned, and Sidious and Yoda had multiple cut aways thus we dont know how long it lasted unless we add in the time from the cutaway, I speaking like Vodo vs Kun looked like it lasted about a minute yet Kun still owned him.

Revan doesn't keep bodyguards to be like canon fodder. Revan would probably except betrayal from Malak typically, so he needs protections "just in case".



What has Maul shown us, a measely Force Push or what? Read this, it's not proven true but it seems likely to be true, since I am using logic to make this assumption



Now I am not saying Bastila knows Horror, but I definately definately know she knows something more than a Force Push.



Does "will win" sound better?



You blind? I said "at least a minute" though it'll probably be two or three times as longer.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Indeed, she was chosen for her BM to help the Republic fleet last for a while agains the Sith. HOWEVER, why would the JEdi risk sending her into Revan's ship all the way to Bridge to confront the Dark Lord. Obviously, they could have chosen someone else to lead the strike team as Bastila is ONLY NEEDED for the BM. I highly doubt that Bastila ran right for Revan. But even so, she still managed to get to the Bridge.

I am not sure if Revan's flagship was the Leviathan, but considering how the Leviathan was fully of security and Revan would probably expect an infiltration, by making it up to him, Bastila has basically eluded all of Revan's guards and traps.


I highly doubt Bastila "lead" the strike team, knowing Bastilas nature and the fact she ran straight for Malak when she got the chance its hardly OOC for her to do it.

The Leviathan was Sauls ship.

Im sure the strike team consisted of more then 4 Jedi, the rest probably did the brunt of the work, and Bastila seeing her shot at Revan runs toward him.

That's just making s*it up. In the cutscene, we see three Jedi, including Bastila. Bastila is not so arrogant to run right up for Revan. After all, even if she's brash she stills carefully follows the words of the Council and the Order.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
What has Maul shown us, a measely Force Push or what? Read this, it's not proven true but it seems likely to be true, since I am using logic to make this assumption
Perhaps you forgot the rules of a debate. You said BASTILLA has these mystical force abilities, so PROVE IT instead of asking me what Maul has. He obviously has enough to force push Obiwan and TK during a fight.




Oh, you definitely know, well then that solves everything! So much for logic.





Good thing you have something to back this up.. Oh wait. I wouldn't give her 30 seconds with Maul.

Despite Revan's considerable tactical ability, you can't say that he expected betrayal from Malak. Considering how they were war buddies and close companions, it's just as possible that Revan didn't see it coming - especially if he chose to rely on Malak in such an intense battle.

Also, Revan and Malak must be close in power if he doesn't feel confident enough to take him out by himself, especially when it is common knowledge that Malak is an unrestrained psychopath who rarely possesses any subtlety, and Revan is an impressive tactition.

As I said, Prodigal, it is nearly taboo (in the case of Force users) for the henchmen to be weaker than the boss. By a considerable degree. So, I don't see how killing a few Dark Jedi is impressive in the grand scheme of things.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
That's just making s*it up. In the cutscene, we see three Jedi, including Bastila. Bastila is not so arrogant to run right up for Revan. After all, even if she's brash she stills carefully follows the words of the Council and the Order.


No I'm not look at the strike team on the SF, it had MUCH more then 3 members not including Revans party, its stupid to think the Jedi would send two jedi's and a padawan to take down DARTH REVAN, use your head. Bastila has exhibited the same behavior when she ran ahead to fight Malak, is it so hard to see her especially younger doing the same to Revan, she even admits her own arrogance, impulsiveness, and the fact that she's extremely headstrong.

Sorry guys, I gtg. I will debate tomm.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
No I'm not look at the strike team on the SF, it had MUCH more then 3 members not including Revans party, its stupid to think the Jedi would send two jedi's and a padawan to take down DARTH REVAN, use your head. Bastila has exhibited the same behavior when she ran ahead to fight Malak, is it so hard to see her especially younger doing the same to Revan, she even admits her own arrogance, impulsiveness, and the fact that she's extremely headstrong.

I agree. It's quite possible that the strike team consisted of a dozen or so members, but they were killed trying to get to Revan. It'd make more sense.

Wasn't Bastilla held hostage by a few punks and needer to be saved from common thugs? She was good for battle meditation. That's it. Maul beat Qui Gon in about thirty seconds once he was alone. Maul would kill Bastilla fast. He then distracts Revan in melee while Sidious beats down Revan with the force.

Sidious and Maul for a pretty sure-thing win.