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who would win jacen after fully embracing the dark side in the leagcy of the force series, or luke with the current power he has in LotF?
Im kinda leanin towards Jacen

According to Bloodlines, Luke is more powerful than Luke but even fools have killed the greatest of champions. And Jacen knows more techniques so I think he'd win.

no ones sure yet, but soon time will tell. But i would tend to lean towards Jacen too. But not by much.

Luke is more powerful than Luke, eh Hefner?

Let me make it perfectly clear. It is VERY UNLIKELY anyone will be made more powerful than Luke.

Agree with Darthy Sexy I do.

Nobody can defeat Luke face to face. He has reached his potential (which is the highest in the galaxy) and can perform godly techniques. Unless the authors wants to make the NJO even more ridiculous than it is, then they shouldn't make Jacen > Luke because technically he shouldn't and can't.

Mace Windu could beat him.

Shatterpoint.

Uh huh, or Luke can waste him with the Force.

Luke is no were near as powerful in the force as Mace Windu.

When Luke can destroy thousands of droids with just his fists and force pushes, then he'll have HALF of Mace's power.

You realize that battle on Datooine between Mace and a thousand Super Battle Droids was a super exaggeration of Mace's powers.

Of course, you're being sarcastic so no need to argue.

Originally posted by Blax X
Luke is no were near as powerful in the force as Mace Windu.

When Luke can destroy thousands of droids with just his fists and force pushes, then he'll have HALF of Mace's power.

Looks like somebody missed the entire NJO/DN/LOTF series where Luke became a force God. I wouldn't give Mace 10 seconds with Luke.

You would do well to look at who you're debating aghainst before you start replying to the otehr guy's posts. That's Blaxican, of coruse he's gonna say Mace will win, of course he will, cause he's black!

not touching that one...

He's correct though.

Yes, I am, I know Blax, he's been here for a long time and he's always joking like that!

I don't know that there could be a clean victor in that fight. I think whoever came out on top would score a phyrric victory i.e. killing the other one but losing a limb or being disfigured in the fight.

What puts Jacen close to Luke at all here?

well being black sure didn't help mace when fighting possibly the whitest guy in SW did it???

Originally posted by Captain REX
Luke is more powerful than Luke, eh Hefner?

I meant Jacen.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
well being black sure didn't help mace when fighting possibly the whitest guy in SW did it???

Mace isn't black, he's brown.

riiiiight. he looked pretty black in Pulp Fiction, well darker than in SW...although when he fought Sidious, he looked like a struck match...

No, Mace beat Sids i nthe end. His real goal wasn't to actually kill him, just make his face look like a recently pounded ass.

didnt it look like that before the fight???

No.

well i wonder how much like a pounded ass Mace looked like when he hit the ground? Hmmm....

He didn't. He can fly.

Jacen goes down hard. Very few people could take Luke.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Jacen goes down hard. Very few people could take Luke.

Um, nobody can take Luke. If anybody COULD it would be Jacen as of LOTF..

i think that it will be jacen along with Ben to take down Luke. In either the next LotF book, or the one after that

i doubt luke gets killed by jacen, luke dies of old age i think. man he is like 60-70 years old in the lotf era

Nah, Mace can take him.

Shatterpoint.

Im actually surprised Ive never had a Mace sig before.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
You realize that battle on Datooine between Mace and a thousand Super Battle Droids was a super exaggeration of Mace's powers.

Of course, you're being sarcastic so no need to argue.


Actually, not so much...

Mace had mastered a Force technique called Injure/Kill

(lol, simple name)

A hand to hand style power coupled with the Force.

Luke is more powerful than Mace significantly, but I doubt Luke even knows that Force power.

Originally posted by Darth Grathius
i think that it will be jacen along with Ben to take down Luke. In either the next LotF book, or the one after that




Huh? Why?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Um, nobody can take Luke. If anybody COULD it would be Jacen as of LOTF..

Ahem...Sekot.

Look Glentract, if you're going to use the argument of Illustrious and Janus I won't respond to you anymore. So far all I see from you is repeating everything they say.

Have you ever defeated Janus's and Illustrious's arguments?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Have you ever defeated Janus's and Illustrious's arguments?

1. What does it matter
2. Why would I have to? Anything said to them becomes "inconclusive" unless it deals with the ancient sith.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Have you ever defeated Janus's and Illustrious's arguments?

Perhaps. I have, before.

Doesn't make me better than them, in the slightest.

Not directed towards you, Escape.

Sexy;

If you haven't defeated them, why critize Glentract for using them?

There's nothing to defeat, the arguments don't even make sense.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Look Glentract, if you're going to use the argument of Illustrious and Janus I won't respond to you anymore. So far all I see from you is repeating everything they say.

When did Janus or Illustrious EVER argue for Sekot.

And btw, most of Janus and Illustrious' arguments I helped come up with. When I argue for the Ancient Sith I'm not rehashing their argument's, much of what I say and what they said I came up with.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
When did Janus or Illustrious EVER argue for Sekot.

And btw, most of Janus and Illustrious' arguments I helped come up with. When I argue for the Ancient Sith I'm not rehashing their argument's, much of what I say and what they said I came up with.

IT doesnt matter who came up with them, they're invalid.

HOW? If you haven't disproved them, THEIR STILL LOGICAL.

no, they're NOT logical, that's why they're wrong.

When did Janus or Illustrious EVER argue for Sekot.

no, they're NOT logical, that's why they're wrong.

Prove it.

Ancient sith throwing out stars=wrong
Exar Kun>Luke=Wrong
Exar Kun>Sidious=Wrong

When did Janus or Illustrious EVER argue for Sekot!

Exar Kun>Luke=Wrong

Due to misinformation. We did the best with what we had though.

Ancient sith throwing out stars=wrong

Again, this was before LOTF or DN was written. And even still it might hold true. I recall Lord Darkstar stating that it took the combined strength of the ENTIRE Jedi Order to take him down and that by the time he died he had gotten so powerful that the entire planet shok beneath his feet as he walked.

Exar Kun>Sidious=Wrong

Prove it.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
When did Janus or Illustrious EVER argue for Sekot!

Exar Kun>Luke=Wrong

Due to misinformation. We did the best with what we had though.

Ancient sith throwing out stars=wrong

Again, this was before LOTF or DN was written. And even still it might hold true. I recall Lord Darkstar stating that it took the combined strength of the ENTIRE Jedi Order to take him down and that by the time he died he had gotten so powerful that the entire planet shok beneath his feet as he walked.

Exar Kun>Sidious=Wrong

Prove it.

See NEC, see Dan Wallace and his email, see logical deduction. Oh, and those two argued for Sekot on EOD

See NEC, see Dan Wallace and his email, see logical deduction. Oh, and those two argued for Sekot on EOD

Those aren't good enough sources.

What page of the NEC. What exactly did it state?

What the heck am I supposed to say about an supposed e-mail from Dan Wallace that I've never seen?

Where did they argue for Sekot on EOD. I've had a hand in EVERY argument on EOD concerning SW and I don't remember them ever doing that.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
See NEC, see Dan Wallace and his email, see logical deduction. Oh, and those two argued for Sekot on EOD

Those aren't good enough sources.

What page of the NEC. What exactly did it state?

What the heck am I supposed to say about an supposed e-mail from Dan Wallace that I've never seen?

Where did they argue for Sekot on EOD. I've had a hand in EVERY argument on EOD concerning SW and I don't remember them ever doing that.

LOL!!! Yes Dan Wallace isn't a good enough source.. Thank you for the joke Glentract.
I don't know what page of NEC, it's during the fall of the republi..
LOL.. Sorry what you said was just too funny.

I didn't say that Dan Wallace isn't a good enough source, just that the supposed e-mail from him is unconfirmed and unsubstantiated.

If you want to use the NEC as a source, you HAVE to know the page number. Untill you can tell me the exact page, STFU.

And again, where did they argue for Sekot on EOD. I've had a hand in EVERY argument on EOD concerning SW and I don't remember them ever doing that.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I didn't say that Dan Wallace isn't a good enough source, just that the supposed e-mail from him is unconfirmed and unsubstantiated.
No no, I have a friend that works at aol that looked him up, it is Dan Wallace, and that email WAS confirmed. I double checked it many times.


Try doing some reading yourself..I told you where to look, look around page 45+

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No no, I have a friend that works at aol that looked him up, it is Dan Wallace, and that email WAS confirmed. I double checked it many times.

Prove it to ME.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Try doing some reading yourself..I told you where to look, look around page 45+

That's not how this works. If you want to argue the point, you provide the exact page number.

And again, where did they argue for Sekot on EOD. I've had a hand in EVERY argument on EOD concerning SW and I don't remember them ever doing that.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Prove it to ME.
Look at the email numbnuts





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