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savage dragon vs

daredevil

punisher(m16 a 4 combat knife 3 granades 1 flash 1 smoke 1 explosive)

wolverine

luke cage

captin america

spider-man

thing

he gets only a list of his opponents powers and abilitys but not how they fight he also is restored to full health after each fight

This list is... questionable

what's wromg with the list?

Originally posted by lando005
savage dragon vs

punisher(m16 a 4 combat knife 3 granades 1 flash 1 smoke 1 explosive)

daredevil

luke cage

wolverine

ultimate captain america

thing

spider-man

he gets only a list of his opponents powers and abilitys but not how they fight he also is restored to full health after each fight


Fixed

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Fixed no screwing with the list

Originally posted by lando005
no screwing with the list

well you asked what was wrong...

alright i'll switch punisher and dare devil that's all

Originally posted by lando005
savage dragon vs

daredevil

punisher(m16 a 4 combat knife 3 granades 1 flash 1 smoke 1 explosive)

wolverine

luke cage

captin america

spider-man

thing

he gets only a list of his opponents powers and abilitys but not how they fight he also is restored to full health after each fight

I think he can get past Wolverine...but he stops at Luke. He's not going to be damaging him at all.

see he likes my list

Originally posted by lando005
see he likes my list

hmmph...


well, he's right anyways. I don't think SD can do damage to Cage's titanium-hard skin (though, I don't proffess to know that much about SD)

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
hmmph...


well, he's right anyways. I don't think SD can do damage to Cage's titanium-hard skin (though, I don't proffess to know that much about SD) acctually from what i gather cage and sd are pretty much an even match for eachother

-from the other thread regarding endurance bewteen SD and Cage:

Originally posted by lando005
i think dragon might have the slight edge he has a healing factor so even if they fight to a draw he would recover from his fight well before cage making him the winner

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
hmmm... let's take this theory to your gauntlet

with all this said sd makes it past cage

How so? Endurance is futile in this match.

Dragon cannot hurt Cage.

Cage CAN hurt Dragon.

So...

Giving SD a 6/10 over Cage, how would he fare against Cap?

How are SD's tactical abilities?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
How so? Endurance is futile in this match.

Dragon cannot hurt Cage.

Cage CAN hurt Dragon.

I find that doubtful if you take into account both Dragon's durability and healing factor, along with the speed and agility needed to evade Cage.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So...

Giving SD a 6/10 over Cage, how would he fare against Cap?

How are SD's tactical abilities?

How does Dragon defeat Cage?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So...

Giving SD a 6/10 over Cage, how would he fare against Cap?

How are SD's tactical abilities?



I find that doubtful if you take into account both Dragon's durability and healing factor, along with the speed and agility needed to evade Cage.

Dragon is superhumanly durable, and has a healing factor. Cage is more durable in general, however.

Dragon is faster and more agile.

Sure, Dragon can evade Cage, but I still don't see what he's going to be able to do to Cage. As soon as Cage gets his hands on Dragon, I see it being a pretty gradual downhill slope from there for Dragon...

Originally posted by Metalmanx
How does Dragon defeat Cage?

I edited my former post to explain why I think he'd get a 6/10, or at least a 5.5

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Dragon is superhumanly durable, and has a healing factor. Cage is more durable in general, however.

Dragon is faster and more agile.

Sure, Dragon can evade Cage, but I still don't see what he's going to be able to do to Cage. As soon as Cage gets his hands on Dragon, I see it being a pretty gradual downhill slope from there for Dragon...

That's if he gets his hands on Dragon. And, Dragon may not be able to physically hurt him very much, but he won't be a ragdoll if he get's grabbed. And, as I've already stated, I see Dragon outlasting him endurance-wise

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
That's if he gets his hands on Dragon. And, Dragon may not be able to physically hurt him very much, but he won't be a ragdoll if he get's grabbed. And, as I've already stated, I see Dragon outlasting him endurance-wise

I still don't understand. Don't think I'm getting mad or anything, I just don't see what you see yet.

So Cage gets tired. He can literally just stand there and catch his breath while letting Dragon attack him and he'd be just fine.

And Cage is by no means slow. He'd eventually land some blows on Dragon, enough to stun him at least. And then he gets his hands on him, and I don't see Dragon coming out of that victorious.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I still don't understand. Don't think I'm getting mad or anything, I just don't see what you see yet.

So Cage gets tired. He can literally just stand there and catch his breath while letting Dragon attack him and he'd be just fine.

And Cage is by no means slow. He'd eventually land some blows on Dragon, enough to stun him at least. And then he gets his hands on him, and I don't see Dragon coming out of that victorious.

I'm not reffering to 'tired'. They'll both get tired (Cage first though). I'm talking about drop-dead exhausted

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I still don't understand. Don't think I'm getting mad or anything, I just don't see what you see yet.

So Cage gets tired. He can literally just stand there and catch his breath while letting Dragon attack him and he'd be just fine.

And Cage is by no means slow. He'd eventually land some blows on Dragon, enough to stun him at least. And then he gets his hands on him, and I don't see Dragon coming out of that victorious.
it's not as if dragon is at the disadvantage with strenght and durability against cage all and all they are pretty even in both areas sd's hits on cage would be about as effective as cage to him

Does anybody have a link with stats for Savage Dragon?

wikipedia

Originally posted by lando005
wikipedia



hell, I couldve done that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Dragon

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph


hell, I couldve done that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Dragon
dont downplay my laziness

Originally posted by lando005
wikipedia
Wiki is it?

Originally posted by Badabing
Wiki is it? no u could just google savage dragon or image comics

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Fixed


Spidey over Thing

Originally posted by Grimm22
Spidey over Thing

yes

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
yes
no

Originally posted by lando005
no

but that's how it should be

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
but that's how it should be not in my book

Originally posted by lando005
not in my book

well get a new book

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
well get a new book the list stands as is

Cage might as well be the Juggernaut as far as this thread is concerned. Dragon goes down there.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cage might as well be the Juggernaut as far as this thread is concerned. Dragon goes down there. he's not that invonerable... they are pretty much even

Originally posted by lando005
he's not that invonerable... they are pretty much even

Cage's skin is unbreakable.

Dragon's skin can break.

How are they even?

He beats them all.

You know nothing at all about Dragon if you think Luke is better than him.

I saw a thread about him. He is a class 100 charcter, christ.

Metal Manx.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cage's skin is unbreakable.

Dragon's skin can break.

How are they even? his skin is not unbreakable... armour peirceing rounds adamantium blades can break his skin he's superdurable same goes for dragon sd might not have the same level of durability but his skin is also bullet proof

You are all underestimating SDs durability. I have a quote from Erik Larsen himself saying that he has high durability but he isn't durable against fire, lasers and blades sharp enough that are wielded bu super human muscles.

i'm not underestimating him i said he's about even to cage

Originally posted by Kang16
He beats them all.

You know nothing at all about Dragon if you think Luke is better than him.

I saw a thread about him. He is a class 100 charcter, christ.

Metal Manx.

That seems a bit unnecessary, don't you think?

And where is this proof of him being a class 100 character? I've never seen it.

Originally posted by lando005
savage dragon vs

daredevil

punisher(m16 a 4 combat knife 3 granades 1 flash 1 smoke 1 explosive)

wolverine

luke cage

captin america

spider-man

thing

he gets only a list of his opponents powers and abilitys but not how they fight he also is restored to full health after each fight

This is a joke right. You must be a Dragon fan. Dragon mows through all but Benji easily. I imagine the Dragon and Thing fight would be reminiscent of the Dragon Bedrock fight, except Thing would give Dragon a much harder time.

Well not much because BD is very tough as well. SD will win know.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
This is a joke right. You must be a Dragon fan. Dragon mows through all but Benji easily. I imagine the Dragon and Thing fight would be reminiscent of the Dragon Bedrock fight, except Thing would give Dragon a much harder time. i'm no dragon fan i like him but i'm not a fan i just thought this would be interesting

Originally posted by lando005
i'm not underestimating him i said he's about even to cage Cage has never shown anything to be near SDs level.

MM read his comics and you will see, and I mean some major numbers. Until then please don't disrespect him. I haven't read him in while but I can guarantee you he is way above Cage.

Originally posted by Kang16
Cage has never shown anything to be near SDs level.

MM read his comics and you will see, and I mean some major numbers. Until then please don't disrespect him. I haven't read him in while but I can guarantee you he is way above Cage. i havent seen anything so far to suggest he's way beyond cage if you have somthing to prove otherwise please show me

Cage..pfft.

I don't have scans but I have read his comic and he would give Cage a whooping.

Show me proof the almighty Cage can beat SD.

Originally posted by Kang16
Cage..pfft.

I don't have scans but I have read his comic and he would give Cage a whooping.

Show me proof the almighty Cage can beat SD. cant really say cage would beat dragon i think there are pretty much dead even the strenght feats i've seen for both wouldnt suggest otherwise.... it's a shame you dont have any scans maybe someone else might have some

Thanks for these whoever got them.
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http://www.upkb.com/images/i6D33805.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/sWJ34077.jpg
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http://www.upkb.com/images/IIz34466.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xww33237.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/VqV67645.jpg


This guy is a copy of Thing. He is equal in strength from what I can say. Rob Liefeild makes uber strong people so you know hes powerful.

Fight against Hellboy.

http://www.upkb.com/images/C5n79965.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/db580019.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/J3T80081.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/ygZ80136.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 1:
http://www.upkb.com/images/RN747010.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/SaN47076.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/2fc47129.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xvC47178.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/Pbg47235.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 2:
http://www.upkb.com/images/ckF47301.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/kXn47362.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/HnL47421.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/14H47481.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/tdt47536.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/OZA47593.jpg

They are early in his career. He has shown to be stronger.

Originally posted by Kang16
Cage has never shown anything to be near SDs level.

MM read his comics and you will see, and I mean some major numbers. Until then please don't disrespect him. I haven't read him in while but I can guarantee you he is way above Cage.

Dude, who is disrespecting him? Did you not see my first posts? I give SD all the respect in the world. I think he's a GREAT character.

But, I have seen nothing that puts him in the class 100 category. And I've seen everything to say that Cage is more durable.

I think Dragon even gets past Wolverine. I just don't see him getting past Cage.

If you can provide me with evidence to the contrary, then I'll agree with you.

Has Cage had like a massive upgrade or something since he first faced and got knocked out by Spidey ?

Oh and read his comics you will see the evidence.

Originally posted by Kang16
Thanks for these whoever got them.
http://www.upkb.com/images/q9c33625.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/i6D33805.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/sWJ34077.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/hi534238.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/IIz34466.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xww33237.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/VqV67645.jpg


This guy is a copy of Thing. He is equal in strength from what I can say. Rob Liefeild makes uber strong people so you know hes powerful.

Fight against Hellboy.

http://www.upkb.com/images/C5n79965.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/db580019.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/J3T80081.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/ygZ80136.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 1:
http://www.upkb.com/images/RN747010.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/SaN47076.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/2fc47129.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xvC47178.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/Pbg47235.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 2:
http://www.upkb.com/images/ckF47301.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/kXn47362.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/HnL47421.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/14H47481.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/tdt47536.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/OZA47593.jpg OK then what lfiting feats dies he have to put him in the class 100 rage
or lifting feats of anyone he has faced to put them i the 100 class range?

Hellboy-Mignola, states that with two hands, Hellboy can lift approximately 750 pound

How the hell does that prove he is class 100? Badrock and powerhouse have yet to have their strength defined as well.

Originally posted by Kang16
Thanks for these whoever got them.
http://www.upkb.com/images/q9c33625.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/i6D33805.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/sWJ34077.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/hi534238.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/IIz34466.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xww33237.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/VqV67645.jpg

This guy is a copy of Thing. He is equal in strength from what I can say. Rob Liefeild makes uber strong people so you know hes powerful.

Where are you getting that "This guy is a copy of Thing" stuff from? Two things:

1. That guy doesn't appear to be anything like Thing. Just super-strong, that's about all they have in common.
2. Dragon didn't even seem to damge him at all. Sure, he was knocking him around, but that's all. This guy just keeps talking like there's nothing wrong.

So I'm not sure why that works in SD's favor.

In his defense, it was incredible fighting on his part--something I already said he has in spades.

Originally posted by Kang16
Fight against Hellboy.

http://www.upkb.com/images/C5n79965.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/db580019.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/J3T80081.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/ygZ80136.jpg

...Wow. What a bad showing for Hellboy there. And that's not an insult to Dragon. I always imagined them even, too. That just makes Hellboy look weak.

Originally posted by Kang16
Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 1:
http://www.upkb.com/images/RN747010.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/SaN47076.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/2fc47129.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xvC47178.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/Pbg47235.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 2:
http://www.upkb.com/images/ckF47301.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/kXn47362.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/HnL47421.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/14H47481.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/tdt47536.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/OZA47593.jpg

Sure, Dragon does well here. But he never has the advantage. Powerhouse has the slight advantage over Dragon the whole time.

And I've still seen nothing that proves Dragon is in class 100. Or as durable as Cage for that matter, since it seems that Dragon sure does bleed a lot from punches and such. Something Cage won't have to worry about.

He called me a fanboy in the other thread since I didn't agree with his SD ownzzz you all comments

No I never said ownzz actually its because your saying Puck wins.

Anyway I am not as pissed as this its just people thinking SD gets owned by these people.

Anyway we all have people we get aggressive over.

Oh Mungi can you help me with something. I have a old comic of AF and Puck comes back tall from his adventures then he gets a demon which thing into a portal but he went in there with her. It was when that blue creatures brother or sister first got they're powers.

What happened to Puck afterwards ?

Did he come back or ??

I will try to get a number for the comic if you don't understand.

Originally posted by Kang16
No I never said ownzz actually its because your saying Puck wins.


Oh Mungi can you help me with something. I have a old comic of AF and Puck comes back tall from his adventures then he gets a demon which thing into a portal but he went in there with her. It was when that blue creatures brother or sister first got they're powers.

What happened to Puck afterwards ?

Did he come back or ??

I will try to get a number for the comic if you don't understand.

Well there isn't physically he could do to him

Nope, I recall. After being tortured by the Dreamqueen for a year I believe he comes back to Earth, but is captured by the Master and experimented on becoming one of his Remnant Men. AF finds him, and Walter in turn returns his human form, but in the end gains the compressed body. This is the event that gave him the upgrade.


---------------------------------------------
Upgrade
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Alpha Flight #89 (Vol.1): Puck (Upgraded)
Here is the process that changed Puck back into a dwarf and making his skin like compressed rubber. All thanks to Walter's genius

1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/Alpha_Flight_v1_n089-04.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/Alpha_Flight_v1_n089-12.jpg
3. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/Alpha_Flight_v1_n089-13.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/Alpha_Flight_v1_n089-15.jpg

Thanks. I always wondered what happened.

Originally posted by Kang16
Thanks for these whoever got them.
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http://www.upkb.com/images/i6D33805.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/sWJ34077.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/hi534238.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/IIz34466.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xww33237.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/VqV67645.jpg


This guy is a copy of Thing. He is equal in strength from what I can say. Rob Liefeild makes uber strong people so you know hes powerful.

Fight against Hellboy.

http://www.upkb.com/images/C5n79965.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/db580019.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/J3T80081.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/ygZ80136.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 1:
http://www.upkb.com/images/RN747010.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/SaN47076.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/2fc47129.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xvC47178.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/Pbg47235.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 2:
http://www.upkb.com/images/ckF47301.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/kXn47362.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/HnL47421.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/14H47481.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/tdt47536.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/OZA47593.jpg
these are all nice showings for sd but again i dont see anything that puts him was beyond thing or cage for that mannor he still seems dead even

Originally posted by Kang16


Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 1:
http://www.upkb.com/images/RN747010.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/SaN47076.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/2fc47129.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/xvC47178.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/Pbg47235.jpg

Dragon vs Powerhouse, round 2:
http://www.upkb.com/images/ckF47301.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/kXn47362.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/HnL47421.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/14H47481.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/tdt47536.jpg
http://www.upkb.com/images/OZA47593.jpg
by chance does anybody know who the winner of the fight between sd and ph is this looks like a damn good fight

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