IGN Editor's version of Marvel versus battle

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masterbruce
Sorry, Metalmanx, spiderman didn't come out on top sad

Round One

Nightcrawler v. Storm: Nightcrawler is incredibly powerful, no doubt about it, but we figure Storm can put enough distance between her and the elf while summoning a hurricane that would prevent any safe teleportation. It's hard to teleport and attack when you're freezing, can't see your target, and have a tornado-propelled truck headed at your head.

Captain America v. Iceman: Sorry, Cap, but you're about to be trapped in an ice block. Again.

Sub-Mariner v. Mr. Fantastic: Intellect and preparedness have always been critical factors whenever Mr. Fantastic is in a conflict. There is no question that Namor is more powerful than Reed, but we know that deep down Reed doesn't trust the King of Atlantis, nor does he fail to prepare for a fight with the Sub-Mariner. After Doom, Namor is Mr. Fantastic's biggest rival. You can't stop the leader of the Fantastic Four if he has the time to prepare.

Round Two

Hulk v. Storm: There isn't much Storm can do that Hulk hasn't faced. Weather, no matter how severe, just isn't going to stop the Green Goliath. We figure Storm becomes an imprint on the side of an airborne bus.

Iceman v. Spider-Man: Spider-Man has the fortitude and strength to take down Ghost Rider, but Iceman is just going to encase him in a block of ice. We don't care how tough Spidey is, he's not getting out of that one (if Cap can't, neither can Peter).

Round Three

Hulk v. Iceman: This was a really tough one for us to pick, but we went with Bobby Drake. Bobby is supposedly an Omega class mutant. We haven't seen him completely unleashed, but we have to consider the fact that Drake can manipulate water temperatures. Humans are made of 90% water. Hulk isn't quite human, but we're sure there's plenty of H20 to be frozen solid in his green blood. Iceman would have to let go a bit, but with a monster about to smash him, we think he would.

Mr. Fantastic v. Silver Surfer: Reed has had to deal with the Silver Surfer before. He's familiar with the Power Cosmic and the herald of Galactus. Like Doom and Namor, Reed is going to have an answer to this situation.

Round One

Human Torch v. Invisible Woman: You can't light a flame if there's no oxygen in your air-tight bubble. Sue would hate to take down Johnny, but we're assuming these two are given no alternative but to fight.

Black Panther v. Daredevil: Completely outclassed in this fight, Matt Murdock misses a few court dates after T'Challa kicks his ass.

Cyclops v. Luke Cage: Cyclops isn't stupid enough to get close to Luke Cage. He blasts a pit big enough and deep enough to hold the former Hero for Hire and uses his force beams to push Luke on down. Cage might be invulnerable, but he can't fly.

Gladiator v. Hawkeye: If you think Hawkeye even has a prayer you need to read more comics.
Round Two

Thor v. Invisible Woman: Sue has buckled before when her shields and powers are put under extreme duress. If there's anyone to take down the Invisible Woman, shields or not, it's the God of Thunder.

Black Panther v. Wolverine: Wolverine has the healing ability but Panther has the intellect. Panther possesses many gadgets and is no doubt aware that vibranium, in particular variations of it, can actually disrupt and damage adamantium. It's not going to be a pretty fight, but the Panther's resources pull him through this one.

Round Three

Thor v. Black Panther: Not a chance.

Iron Man v. Gladiator: Stark is good, but he's not going to do much against Gladiator. Sorry Tony, go back to devising ways to piss off your fellow heroes.

Round One:

Magneto v. Stilt-Man: Squish.

Super Skrull v. Blackheart: Those of you who are not too familiar with Blackheart might want to do a bit of research on his powers. This demon is definitely a force to be reckoned with despite not being a frequent player in the Marvel Universe. The Super Skrull doesn't stand a chance.

Vulcan v. Sebastian Shaw: Shaw might have more experience but Vulcan outclasses him in every way possible.

Thanos v. Fin Fang Foom: Even without his Infinity Gems, Thanos is massively powerful.

Round Two:

Carnage v. Blackheart: We didn't get enough joy when Sentry ripped Carnage in half. We really want to see what the Lord of Darkness would do to Cletus Cassaday. Being torn in two would probably be a pleasure cruise.

Mandarin v. Ultron: Yet another fight that is unbelievably unfair. Ultron takes down Mandarin in no time.

Vulcan v. Thanos: In theory Vulcan might be more powerful, but not by much. We figure Vulcan's aforementioned lack of battle experience will cause him to falter in a match with a being that nearly conquered the Marvel Universe.

Round Three:

Magneto v. Blackheart: We love Magneto and think he totally rocks, but the Master of Magnetism isn't going to have much of a chance against a creature from Hell. Blackheart is only vulnerable to magic while Magneto has shown a weakness to telepathy. This one was over before it began.

Ultron v. Thanos: We would have loved to see Ultron take on Magneto. That would have been fun. Back to the battle at hand, Thanos walks all over Ultron. We don't care if he's made out of adamantium.

Round One:

We know this is cheap, but there honestly isn't a single battle in here that is even remotely close. Dr. Doom walks all over Arcade. The Absorbing Man swats the Goblin out of the sky. Loki turns Rhino into a frog. Do you think Bullseye honestly stands a chance against the time-traveling Kang? M.O.D.O.K. proves it's not a total loser and destroys Sandman. Nitro can blow up, but Juggernaut is invincible. Ronan is a powerful alien while Omega Red has big, white tentacles. Venom is overrated, but he'll have no problem taking down Deathbird. This round is over.

Round Two:

Loki v. Kang: Now this is a fight worth talking about. Ordinarily we'd say Loki wins this. Comparing power levels, it's clear that Loki is simply more gifted. But Kang can travel through time. Perhaps he kills a young Loki or manipulates events so that Loki is destroyed by Thor. Either way Kang wins.

M.O.D.O.K. v. Juggernaut: This one was obvious to us, but we loved the imagery. Juggernaut is virtually invincible, so A.I.M.'s sentient weapon isn't going to do much to him. We imagine that Juggernaut punts him like a football into the ocean.

Round Three:

Dr. Doom v. Kang: We would love to see this fight brought to life by modern comic artists. Kang is a master of traveling through time, but Doom is also gifted at manipulating events in the past. Heck, Doom is a master of every dimension or realm he's ever come across. Kang is clever, but Doom is smarter.

Juggernaut v. Ronan: Although Juggernaut is powerful, Ronan typically has the support of the Kree race as well as possession of the Ultimate Weapon. The Weapon allows Ronan to rearrange matter. Juggernaut isn't going to do much against a power of that magnitude.

masterbruce
Round One:

Iceman v. Mr. Fantastic: Bring in on frosty! We don't anticipate Mr. Fantastic will have instant answers to defeat every hero. If Reed Richards had those plans, he'd be just like Batman (and he's not). We do think that Reed will have equipment and experience in dealing with extreme temperatures. Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, is part of Reed's family after all. We're stretching an assumption here, we know, but Reed will have something to turn up the heat on Bobby Drake.

Thor v. Gladiator: Both beings possess immense strength, but Thor is a god. Gladiator is a mere alien. The leader of the Imperial Guard might have been strong enough to get this far in our battle but he isn't even in the same league as the former Lord of Asgard. Besides, Gladiator is about to have his ass handed to him by some punk kid in an upcoming issue of Uncanny X-Men. Thor wrestles with frost giants before he even has his coffee in the morning.

Blackheart v. Thanos: This was a really difficult battle for us to pick. Both beings are off of the charts in terms of power and invulnerability. Although Thanos has nearly conquered the universe on several occasions, Blackheart is truly unlike anything he has encountered. According to our basic rules for these encounters, Thanos doesn't have access to his gems or cubes. In events past, the Eternal managed to gain massive amounts of power through acquiring artifacts. In his meeting with the former Ruler of Hell, Thanos would not have that advantage. Though he is nearly invulnerable and cannot die, we believe that Blackheart could incapacitate Thanos due to the creature's mastery over manipulating matter, magic and psionic energies.

Dr. Doom v. Ronan: Ronan might have the Ultimate Weapon, but Doom has managed to steal and possess the Power Cosmic in the past. If there's anyone who is aware of the Weapon, what it can do and, more importantly, how steal it, it's Victor Von Doom. Ronan's potency weakens considerably without his armor and weaponry. Doom would know how to negate those potential threats.

Round Two:

Mr. Fantastic v. Thor: Mr. Fantastic is arguably one of the smartest beings in the Marvel Universe. There's no doubt that he can defeat just about anyone given the time to prepare for a battle. Unlike Batman however, Reed Richards does not dedicate energy to discovering how to defeat his allies. Perhaps he's not paranoid enough, but Reed would rather spend his time devising practical solutions to help the world than figure out how to defeat Thor in a battle. That is his mistake. By the time Reed had an idea in his head, the God of Thunder would have already beaten him. For all Reed's intellect, he still trusts his friends and is a good person at heart. Unfortunately having a big heart isn't going to help him when Mjolnir smacks him upside his head.

Blackheart v. Dr. Doom: Doom was bested once by Hell. He's not likely to make that mistake again. There is only one limit to Victor Von Doom's power and that is his obsession with Reed Richards. His hatred blinds him and consumes him. Fortunately the leader of the Fantastic Four isn't involved in this fight. Blackheart is a demon that might have defeated Doom in the past, but Doom's trials and torments in Hell have meant one thing: he's learned from his mistakes. We've seen Doom grow more and more powerful as he suffers through life. No demon from Hell, not even the son of Mephisto, could possibly stand in his way now.

Thor, God of Thunder v. Dr. Doom, Lord of Latveria

This would be a battle for the ages. It is a true battle of raw power and strength versus intellect and ingenuity. 62 contestants have fallen in battle leaving us with two of the most tested and triumphant characters in Marvel's history. Ultimately only one can leave.

For all of Victor von Doom's intellect, Thor is simply more powerful. Thor commands Mjolnir, an artifact of untold power. Through Mjolnir, Thor is able to channel winds and lightning. Through this enchanted hammer Thor is able to take flight and defeat the most powerful of enemies. Without Mjolnir Thor is substantially weaker, however he is still capable of standing toe-to-toe with fierce opponents. None but the noblest few may hold Mjolnir.

This is why Doom would manage to harness its power.

There is no doubt that Doom has attempted to lift Mjolnir. In the "Road to Civil War" issues of Fantastic Four, Marvel's greatest villain sought to claim the hammer after its journey to Earth from the destroyed Asgard allowed him to escape from Hell. Doom tried, and failed, to claim the hammer as his own. He can't lift it and likely never will. However we've seen the extent of Doom's obsession. He would not rest until he had freed his mother's soul from Hell. He will never rest on his quest to destroy Reed Richards. He will not rest until he has shown the world that he is superior. He will not rest until he has a solution to harnessing a substantial portion of Thor's powers.

Like Reed Richards, Victor is capable of just about anything so long as it serves his purpose. Unlike Mr. Fantastic, Doom has no problem with researching and anticipating threats and sources of power. Doom will find a way to harness Asgardian power (in fact, the upcoming Marvel: Ultimate Alliance from Activision features a storyline along that path). If anyone doubts that, remember that he once commanded the Power Cosmic.

Thor is capable of defeating most of his opponents, but Doom's obsessive nature combined with his almost-limitless intellect will drive him to find a way to defeat Thor. Thor is powerful, but typically charges into battle or allows strategists like Captain America to devise a battle plan. Doom will be ready for the God of Thunder, and will finally stand atop the Marvel Universe, superior to all who clashed in our tournament.

The Winner: Dr. Doom

So there you have it! Our picks for the tournament. Did you notice how Spider-Man didn't win? Venom didn't win either. Our work is done here. Feel free to send us your hate mail. We don't mind reading it. Best of all we'll probably put it in our mailbag so your letter is forever preserved (for better or worse).

Ricodrayz
Spiderman did come out on top but IGN got pissed and redid the whole thing by themselves without letting fans say the reason Spidey beats Mags, Silver Surfer and so on laughing

Soujaboy
It was crap, even the editors were clues less about the characters.

Ricodrayz
Originally posted by Soujaboy
It was crap, even the editors were clues less about the characters. Yeah but not as bad.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Yeah but not as bad.

Reed Richards defeating Silver Surfer is utter ignorance.

Ricodrayz
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Reed Richards defeating Silver Surfer is utter ignorance. Not as bad; the fans said worse shock

Milkie
Do you guys remember March Madness 06?

They had Spawn lose to Wolverine!

Ricodrayz
Originally posted by Milkie
Do you guys remember March Madness 06?

They had Spawn lose to Wolverine! Omg laughing

Milkie
Here is the chart

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7057/08mu3.jpg

Grimm22
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Reed Richards defeating Silver Surfer is utter ignorance.

They gave everybody prep time no expression

Reed with prep time would kick the crap out of surfer wink

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Grimm22
They gave everybody prep time no expression

Reed with prep time would kick the crap out of surfer wink

No, just no. confused

brainchild81
Batman can beat GL w/prep?

Ricodrayz
Originally posted by brainchild81
Batman can beat GL w/prep? Yes! he gets himself a Bat ring.

Milkie
With prep Surfer should have all the more reason to win.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Milkie
With prep Surfer should have all the more reason to win.

thumb up

Grimm22
Even though Reed with enough prep > Galactus no expression

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Grimm22
Even though Reed with enough prep > Galactus no expression

Nah, that's Reed with an Ultimate Nullifier, handed to him via plot device.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Besides, explain to me what exactly Reed would do that Surfer couldn't just demolish with half a thought.

...

Anywa, Wizard, IGN...they're all complete crap. Don't ever listen to their verdicts unless you're a fan of half-thought-out, fan-biased decisions.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Grimm22
Even though Reed with enough prep > Galactus no expression

Oh yea because we know Reed created the Ultimate Nullifier. roll eyes (sarcastic)

What could Reed possilby create that Surfet couldn't destroy with a swift move of the hand?

Grimm22
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Oh yea because we know Reed created the Ultimate Nullifier. roll eyes (sarcastic)

What could Reed possilby create that Surfet couldn't destroy with a swift move of the hand?

Actually I was referring to the device that Reed built in the MC2 universe no expression

It took him 20 years to build and it was made specifically to take down Galactus

Ricodrayz
Originally posted by Grimm22
Actually I was referring to the device that Reed built in the MC2 universe no expression

It took him 20 years to build and it was made specifically to take down Galactus Marvel Vs capcom 2 shifty

batdude123
Originally posted by Milkie
Here is the chart

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7057/08mu3.jpg

*notices how they said Magneto would beat Thor*

evil face

masterbruce
I actually like most of what the IGN editors said in their analysis.

Here on KMC, we just have characters battle fullout all the time with no regard to their personalities (which is a large part of what makes these characters so special)

the IGN editors seemed to have figured personality, intelligence, experience and many other factors into their equation (hence Doom ends up beating foes who may be physically more powerful than him)

Accel
Originally posted by batdude123
*notices how they said Magneto would beat Thor*

evil face
It also says he beats E-2 Superman. rolling on floor laughing

batdude123
Originally posted by Accel
It also says he beats E-2 Superman. rolling on floor laughing

So?

It says Wolverine beats Spawn. no expression

DigiMark007
But they don't say how Doom beats them, a common omission of people trying to back their favorite characters here on KMC. They just blindly assume he'd do it with enough prep. And who's to say that someone like Thor or Surfer wouldn't find him and destroy him before he has time to use his uber-prep?

...yeah, they consider intelligence, but they don't consider pure power nearly enough.

Accel
Originally posted by batdude123
So?

It says Wolverine beats Spawn. no expression
Hence the rolling on floor laughing

DigiMark007
P.S. How did that March Madness end? It could feasibly have been Magneto/Wolverine. Not even the most stalwart fanboy could argue his way past that one. laughing out loud

batdude123
Originally posted by DigiMark007
P.S. How did that March Madness end? It could feasibly have been Magneto/Wolverine. Not even the most stalwart fanboy could argue his way past that one. laughing out loud

Nah. You KNOW it was Superman/Batman.

masterbruce
Originally posted by DigiMark007
But they don't say how Doom beats them, a common omission of people trying to back their favorite characters here on KMC. They just blindly assume he'd do it with enough prep. And who's to say that someone like Thor or Surfer wouldn't find him and destroy him before he has time to use his uber-prep?

...yeah, they consider intelligence, but they don't consider pure power nearly enough.

In a battle between Surfer and Doom, Surfer is much more likely to hold back his power while Doom will likely do anything in his power (including stealing from his mother) to defeat Surfer. If Doom senses he can't defeat Surfer, he'll resort to deceit (which he often does against more powerful foes) until he can get the upperhand.

If you ask: Can Doom defeat Surfer? the answer is yes. Will he? not necessarily, but he has the ability to do so. Therein lies the heart of having a versus debate, so we can talk about the characteristics that may enable a weaker character to triumph over a more powerful foe and many interesting possibilities exist.

If you ask: Is Doom physically more powerful than surfer? the answer is obviously no. Unfortunately, it seems all KMC cares about is raw power. This is ok for certain threads, but it gets boring after awhile when you get the same matchups over and over again. Also, on KMC Flash is God even though rarely does he ever display such power.

Ricodrayz
I said that in another thread. Like Rhono for example; the man's a dumbass that woul kill himself with a f*cking butter knife if left alone. Yet, the second he is put against someone weaker(Not OMG weaker), Rhino wins because he is a genuis and knows how to aviod everything.

rotiart
There is no way I can agree with half of that list.

Emma Frost loses to hulk? Did we forget what she did to Wolverine?

Nighty Night Hulk

BP beats Kang? A guy that time and again has taken the entire Avengers roster.. East and West Coast to defeat? is beaten by BP?

And Batman beats a GL? I'm sorry say what?! Powerset alone... even if Bat's grabs his own GL ring... the gls especially one like guy, john, kyle or hal all have wayyyyy too much experience for a "rookie" gl.

And Wonder Woman loses to Juggernaut... but Juggernaut loses to Hulk?
Christ! Wonder Woman should beat Juggernaut, especially current... and then... a close fight between her and hulk...

.... see... err.... yah,....

Milkie
Originally posted by DigiMark007
P.S. How did that March Madness end? It could feasibly have been Magneto/Wolverine. Not even the most stalwart fanboy could argue his way past that one. laughing out loud

Batman Won

batdude123
Originally posted by Milkie
Batman Won

Happy Dance herbnana clap herbdance

bigbran
Originally posted by DigiMark007
But they don't say how Doom beats them, a common omission of people trying to back their favorite characters here on KMC. They just blindly assume he'd do it with enough prep. And who's to say that someone like Thor or Surfer wouldn't find him and destroy him before he has time to use his uber-prep?

...yeah, they consider intelligence, but they don't consider pure power nearly enough. Wait, so they gave everyone prep time, and they still had Thanos lose to Blackheart?
Thanos would beat him without prep.
I still don't get how the hell Doom won.

rotiart
Everytime I see Bigbran's sig... it makes me glad to know I got a girlfriend dying for me to pick her up tonight.... :P

Btw. Wolverine... beating spawn... is like Wolverine.. beating Lobo...shit

DigiMark007
Originally posted by rotiart
Everytime I see Bigbran's sig... it makes me glad to know I got a girlfriend that looks like Lobo for me to pick her up tonight.... :P

Yeah, it must be great for you.

wink

masterbruce
my gf is 10X hotter than bigbran's sig

bigbran
Originally posted by masterbruce
my gf is 10X hotter than bigbran's sig Your girlfriend is 10x hotter than Jessica Alba?!?!?!?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, it must be great for you.

wink laughing laughing Happy Dance Happy Dance sick

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