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General G
Now, I am assuming that everyone has seen all 6 movies, now that you have seen them all, what would be 5 things you would change about each film.

Mine:

Episode 1:

a)giving Maul a better death
b)kill Jar-Jar!!!
c)more action, less politics
d)anakin not being able to destroy the trade federation ship
e)jedi council actually using the force

Episode 2:

a)killing Jar-Jar
b)Jango not dieing mad
c)less of the vorny love scenes
d)more of a look into the start of the clone wars, more battle scenes
e)something actually interesting that happens

Episode 3:

a)seeing more of Darth Vader
b)seeing Anakin Darth Vader (pre-suit) with a Sith blade
c)General Grievous living!!
d)Mace Windu's group lasting longer against Sidious
e)Killing Jar-Jar (thats right, he's in this one too)

I'll post the next trilogy later on.

Tangible God
Episode I:

a.) Not even allow Jar Jar to exist in the first place. Or Gungans in general.
b.) More politics, less action.
c.) The Clone Wars starting here, with Dooku and all.
d.) Make Anakin and Padme each a few years older.
e.) Digitalize Yoda.

Episode 2:

a.) It's the middle of the War.
b.) Jango never existed, and Boba remains in the OT.
c.) Hayden's out. So's Natalie Or they're seriously worked on. This ties in with the loves scenes as well.
d.) Maul is in this one, still a silent guy, and he dies here.
e.) More development with Sidious and the Sith stories.

Episode III:

a.) Palpatine isn't turned into a laughing baffoon.
b.) General Grievous has no cough, is even more of an Ahole and this is second movie.
c.) Dooku is given more screen time.
d.) We see Anakin and the Clones fighting in the temple.
e.) Anakin's fall takes longer.

queeq
EPI

a.) Make clear to the viewer that Sidious and Palpy are one and the same
b.) see more manipulation by Sidious in the Senate
c.) Make Anakin more of the age of Luke, with the challenge to become a Jedi... like Luke (hence enhancing the power of choice)
d.) start the Clone Wars
e.) Forget the Gungans

EP2
a.) Anakin get recruited in Clone Wars, we see the hero we can cheer for
b.) Closer friendship between OB1 and Anakin
c.) New opening: Dooku arrives on Geonosis
d.) Serious wooing by Palpy taking place
e.) See the Tusken slaughter - the hero falls... (in secret)

Ep3
a.) Stonger dillemma in Anakin's turn
b.) OB1 trying to appeal the good in him (OB1 once thought as you do)
c.) More Dooku
d.) Anakin slaughters Mace (he had that coming)
e.) Slaughter in the temple (a hero dies...)

Rampant ox
TPM
- Count Dooku introduced. Seen with Qui-Gon talking about corruption in the Republic etc.
-No Gungans and no Jake lloyd. Have Anakin older.
-CW start. Dooku is still shown as a good guy. Made to look like Maul is the leader.
-Better space battle. More like that of ROTJ.
-Perhaps more politics. Dooku and Palpatine shown talking in one of the senate seessions.

AOTC
-Introduce Dooku earlier and make it clear he is a bad guy. Show him seducing some systems into joining the CIS. Establish him as a character we love to hate.
-Have Maul killed off in some spectacular duel with Obi-Wan taking revenge for his masters death.
-Obi-Wan and Anakin are like brothers
-Dooku fights Mace at the end - not Yoda. They stalemate, Dooku escapes (yet not because Mace is stronger).
-Introduce GG. Have him talking with the Count.

ROTS
-Make it clear the CIS are winning the CW. Show GG on the battlefield killing heaps of clones
-Mace vs Sidious fight longer. Sidious wins - doesnt get beaten with a saber.
-More of Anakin being seduced. Perhaps another encounter with Dooku in which he again loses. This makes Anakin angrier still. Shows a huge lust for power.
- Anakin and Dooku duke it out. Takes place somewhere awesome (Council Chamber). He beats Dooku after a real duel (no 1 minute load of bullsh*t.
-More links to the OT. Eg the start of the Rebellion, Yoda landing on Dagobah,

Council#13
The Phantom Menace:
1). Give Qui-Gon an even bigger part
2). More action (lightsaber fights against Maul)
3). Make the entire Tatooine part shorter
4). Gungan Army = more of it fighting the droids
5). More about Palpatine's rise to Chancellorship

Attack of the Clones:
1). A lot less love scenes
2). More information of Sifo-Dyas
3). A longer Geonosis fight between Jedi and droids
4). More of Coleman Trebor and Jango Fett
5). Injure Obi-Wan more than a slash on an arm and leg

Return of the Sith:
1). More on the Jedi Purge
2). A big thing on Anakin's march on the Jedi Temple
3). More of Dooku
4). Less love scenes: Make the whole thing a big war!
5). A longer Yoda-Palpatine lightsaber duel

General G
Here is my Original Trilogy changes:

Episode IV:

a)Luke not whining quite as much (not at all would be great)
b)The Death Star putting up a better fight against the Rebels (I really don't like them)
c)The Death Star being able to withstand more than a few rockets, I don't care how well-placed they were
d)The Emperor
e)Ground battles with the rebels against the Empire

Episode V:

a.)Empire killing more Rebels
b.)Luke gets eaten by the Wampa!
c.)Nothing Else, this is my second favourite Star Wars movie, next to Episode VI

Episode VI:

a.)The damned Ewoks and a few Rebel Soldiers not being able to defeat an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops (not possible!!!)
b.)Once again, the Death Star being able to take more damage
c.)More lines for the Emperor, all of his lines were absolutely crazy
d.)Having the Star Destroyers attack the Rebel fleet and not just waiting there so they didn't run away
e)Darth Vader not turning back to the light and kill Luke to remain Sidious's apprentice

queeq
Tehre's no OT changes!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrong forum!!!

General G
Originally posted by queeq
Tehre's no OT changes!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrong forum!!!

I put in to change all six movies, I didn't wanna make another thread in the OT forum, but fine...I'll make another, if only to make Queeq happy. big grin

JaehSkywalker
hmm.... i really love how people think here in KMC...


>no Jar jar

> no fireplace love scene. i hate that....

Alliance

JaehSkywalker
hmm.. yeah.. nice alliance...


but i think i like the anakin at 3 as he is.

Alliance
Have you read the ROTS novelization?

General G
I'm not sure who you are referring to, but I will answer anyways, I have read the Episode 3 novelization.

Alliance
Then you know more about the Anakin that I was referring to in my post.

(I was talking to Jaeh)

General G
Yeah, alright, my bad.

Alliance
No bad smile

General G
big grin

Captain REX
Heh, some of these ideas are actually pretty cool.

Except for GG's OT changes. I didn't like any of those. ermm

Sub_Mariner
EPI

a.) No Gungans.
b.) Maul wasting some Jedi.
c.) Maul living, or the emperor saving his top half.
d.) start the Clone Wars

EP2
a.) No Love scenes.
b.) Maul dies in the Clone Wars at the hands of Anakin.
c.) New opening: Dooku arrives on Geonosis
d.) See the Tusken slaughter - the hero falls... (in secret)

Ep3
a.) More dramatic Anakin moments, of his unleashing true evil.
b.) OB1 trying to appeal the good in him (OB1 once thought as you do)
c.) More Dooku
d.) Anakin slaughters Mace (he had that coming)
e.) Slaughter in the temple (a hero dies...)
f.)Anakin pwning younglings.
g.)More extreme force use in Anakin versus Obi-Wan.

JaehSkywalker
Alliance> nope. but it looks like it spoiled everything.

Alliance
Perhaps it simply gave a better picture than Lucas.

queeq
Could be.

Alliance
Is.

Captain REX
Si.

Alliance

JaehSkywalker
*shrug* you said so.. yes

queeq
huh?

General G
Wow, now this is called going off topic stick out tongue

Stun
Episode I

(a) - More talk, less action - Allowing more interaction between the main characters.
(b) - Dooku introduced as a Councel Member.
(c) - Anakin to be atleast 5 or 6 years older, and his relationship with Padme to be more intimate by the end of the movie.
(d) - A Han Solo type character to replace Jar Jar.
(e) - By the end, there are two battles, the one above space and a lightsaber duel. No Gungan battle, and more screentime for the space battle.

Episode II

(a) - Anakin and Padme's relationship to be more like Han and Leia's in the first part of the film, then more and more serious towards the end - but not too fast.
(b) - At some point in the film, Count Dooku turns to the darkside after a brief duel with Sidious, and to also make up for the lack of duels in the film. The Clone Wars begin here.
(c) - Grievous is introduced in battle during the Clone Wars.
(d) - The Han Solo type character (previously Jar Jar) is killed off.
(e) - More screentime between Anakin and Obi-Wan, and more screentime for Anakin and Palpatine.

Episode III

(a) - Cut down on the number of duels and action, and add more character development - especially for Mace.
(b) - Grievous is killed at the beginning, and Dooku is killed mid-way - giving Dooku more screentime.
(c) - More dialogue during the Mustafar duel.
(d) - More screentime and more dialogue for Darth Vader (suit)
(e) - More stories and philosophies from both the Sith and the Jedi - two opposite points of view that are highlighted throughout the movie to give the audience an insight and an understanding from both sides of The Force.

JaehSkywalker
^^ that's good too... I like it...

queeq
Han Solo type character???? How original.

Oh I know one:
Some decent humor in all PT films.

Ogami Itto
REAL sets

No Prophesy

No rule of two so the Geonosis battle would be more like "braveheart with lightsabers" (it was cool to see so many Jedi fighting at once but if they had opponents with lightsabers....droolio)

put all that BS that is the PT into 2 films so we could have Episode 3 with a fully armoured Vader kickin some ass (in fact cram it into the opening crawl in TPM(just kidding) big grin

No Jar Jar or fart jokes and the like

No kiddie Anakin

Each film 3 hours long

That "jump to hyperspace" effect from inside the cockpit of the ship a la the OT.WTF was wrong with that??

No digital masturbation like the Obi/Anakin duel on the lava it was too "out there" like the last fight in the matrix

also a real powerful act from anakin to show us why he's so baddass instead of a whining byatch

JaehSkywalker
3 hours???

speaking about eyestrain....

Alliance
3 hours droolio

Maybe then Lucas could actually have more than a passing glance at dozens of plotlines.

queeq
THree is too long... AOTC is already too long.

Alliance
You say too long, yet you complain about the confusing plotlines.

queeq
I do?

Well, Lucas takes an awful lot of time on stuff.... he doesn't propel his story forward very well and fails to enhance the plot. We get a lot of fighting time, flying around Coruscant, sitting in meadows and riding Shaaks, clone battles and stuff... buthe enlightens us very little. That's why it's too long with no content.
For instance, there's this huge chase on Coruscant and all it does is take OB1 to Kamino. Then he finds out Clones are being made, but that is not a problem, the Republic owns them, there's only the question who ordered them. Adn we never learn who Sifo Dyas is... So with all that chasing, so-called detective work and fighting Jango... in the end we know nothing... That's why it's too long.

Ogami Itto
Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
3 hours???

speaking about eyestrain....

Attention span that short??? laughing out loud

JaehSkywalker
Originally posted by Ogami Itto
Attention span that short??? laughing out loud

hmm.... not really.... big grin

queeq
Sounds like it though

Alliance

queeq
I agree... I don't understand why Lucas focusses so much on bullsh!t that looks great and less on content. It used to be quite different with him.

Alliance
Thats because he used to not be able to make the stuff he wanted. He's so thrilled to have the visual capabilities he never had, he forgot to write a story.

queeq
Maybe... I still find it extremely odd though...

Alliance
Also keep in ming that ANH and ESB are cockpit-based movies. Most of the action happens in space. Hence a narrower focus. ROTJ-ROTS take place mostly on the ground. There are more distractions when you are depicting an open environment.

queeq
That is BS.... Location doesn't define a good story. I've seen excellent warmovies like THree Kings or Apocalypse now. They are depicting an open environment and yet they work like a charm. It all comes down to identification with main characters and their good story... And that is what's wrong here. Not whether it's cockpit based...

Alliance
I'm not saying that the location defines the quality. I'm saying that when the locations became expanded, Lucas got distracted by insiginificant details like "Lets go the the street vendor over here!" or "Lets walk through this very long corridor!"

queeq
And let's have lots of extra characters I want to expand on a little...

But again, it's not the shots, it's what happens (or doesn't happen) in them what is flawed. Form is one thing, content is another. And the sad thing is: conceptually he had good content. And form wise he had all the money he needed to make it look the way he wanted. So where did he go wrong?

Captain REX
The transfer from concept to reality, I think. Mankind never really gets it quite right.

queeq
A lot of filmmakers do though. Lucas did... once...

Captain REX
Then the power of translation from thought to film doesn't last? ermm

queeq
Yes, it does... when done well.

Ki-adi-mundi
TPM
more lighsabre fights
jawas inclued
Attack of the Clones:
1). A lot less love scenes
2). More information of Sifo-Dyas
3). A longer Geonosis fight between Jedi and droids
4). More of Coleman Trebor and Jango Fett
5).mace vs dooku
ROTS
more war!
yoda vs general g
more jedi diying-not that i like them dying

aldisyoyo
EP 1

1)Anakin not only being nine years old
2) Obi-Wan actually going on tatooine (not just the ship)
3) have count dooku in it

EP 2
1) Obi-Wan better hairdo
2) anakin with a double saber

EP 3

1)LONGER OBI VS ANAKIN FIGHT

queeq
Longer????

General G
It was already pretty long for a lightsaber duel, longest yet maybe?

queeq
Yup, long enough methinks.

Antaeus
Here are my top 5 for all 6 episodes - maybe I will specify for each episode later:

Top 5
1. No Ewoks (then ep. 6 would have been the best of them all)
2. No Jar Jar
3. Yoda beat up Sidious and Dooku - Dooku manage to escape and Sidious got help, why Yoda had to leave the fight before he could finish him off
4. Darth Vader killing of Sidious in a long fight
5. Change Obi Wan's fight against Anakin. At that time Anakin was much more powerful compared to Obi Wan. Ridiculous fight.

queeq
VAder klling Sidious in a long fight???? That is really lame... I can only judge you have no clue what that was all about then...

aldisyoyo
Originally posted by queeq
Yup, long enough methinks.
LOOK BUDDY!!!!! IF UR GONNA GO ALL METHINKS ON ME IM GONNA WOOP OUT JHONNY CASH'S BODY!!!!! mad

General G
Poor Johnny Cash, no Cash jokes, too awesome.

queeq
Originally posted by aldisyoyo
LOOK BUDDY!!!!! IF UR GONNA GO ALL METHINKS ON ME IM GONNA WOOP OUT JHONNY CASH'S BODY!!!!! mad

Methinks mesa liken to see dis...

aldisyoyo
oh boy u gonna get it now!!!

aldisyoyo
there u go

queeq
That's his record, where's the body?

aldisyoyo
jeez ur demanding wait ill get it

queeq
You promised... nothing to do with demanding.

General G
Still waiting.

queeq
Me too.

K-Dog
More of Anakin ninja-ing off the little jedi trainees. eek!

More of darth vader choking/slicing up his incompetent subordinates, perhaps using the force to float them outside the space ship into space to die painfully, or ripping them apart with the force.

Obi-wan chopping off Anakin's pee-pee in addition to his arms/legs. Then he truly would be "more machine than man." laughing out loud

queeq
Oooo.... kay.

General G
Well...I appologize queeq.

queeq
Good boy.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by General G
Now, I am assuming that everyone has seen all 6 movies, now that you have seen them all, what would be 5 things you would change about each film.

Mine:

Episode 1:

a)giving Maul a better death
b)kill Jar-Jar!!!
c)more action, less politics
d)anakin not being able to destroy the trade federation ship
e)jedi council actually using the force

Episode 2:

a)killing Jar-Jar
b)Jango not dieing mad
c)less of the vorny love scenes
d)more of a look into the start of the clone wars, more battle scenes
e)something actually interesting that happens

Episode 3:

a)seeing more of Darth Vader
b)seeing Anakin Darth Vader (pre-suit) with a Sith blade
c)General Grievous living!!
d)Mace Windu's group lasting longer against Sidious
e)Killing Jar-Jar (thats right, he's in this one too)

I'll post the next trilogy later on.

1. Jar Jar never being created
2. Less intimate Anakin/Padme scenes in Ep. 2
3. I would have liked to have seen Qui Gon as a force ghost in Ep.3
4. Morgan Freeman as Mace Windu
5. Naboo being destroyed

queeq
Morgan Freeman as Mace... laughing out loud

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by queeq
Morgan Freeman as Mace... laughing out loud Morgan would have been a helluva lot better than Sam.

queeq
Even saying "This party's over"?

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by queeq
Even saying "This party's over"? that never should have been said to begin with.

queeq
laughing out loud

Rogue Jedi
Heres a short list of lines that should have been used:

This ends now...
Your insurrecton is at an end....


Stop, in the name of love!!! laughing out loud

queeq
The last line should have been sung... of course.

addicted2flicks
i hope they could give Darth Maul a break coz i didn't get enough with him. He was the most cool villan i could imagine... Maul's death for me was untimely... Qui-gon died and that was supposed to be it and Maul can continues showing up on the rest of the sequels...

Rogue Jedi
Darth Maul had no place in the other movies.

General G
I agree, I thought he was cool, but he wouldn't really "fit."

queeq
He had no "depth".

General G
Yeah, no kidding, no backstory, no nothing, just a name and a title.

queeq
And cool tattoos.

General G
Cool tattoos help, I think mine helps.

queeq
Does it say "Mom"?

General G
laughing out loud

Not quite.

queeq
"Dad"?

General G
No!

queeq
"Ursula"?

General G
Ursula?!

queeq
I dunno... just guessing.

General G
You are a bad guesser.

queeq
You're type whose former girlfriend would have a name like Ursula.

General G
Wow...ouch.

JackieCD
Some of them are pretty good. Especially killing off jar jar binks.

queeq
Ursula's?

General G
No Ursula!!!

queeq
You said that a little too loud. Is she cute?

General G
grrrrrrr.

queeq
That sexy eh? Wow... lucky you.

General G
mad

Shadow Spider
TPM
1) Anakins older
2) No Jar-Jar
3) The droids kill off all the Gungans
4) More Darth Maul
5) More Qui-Gon
6) More Emperor manipulation
7) Show Count Dooku as a good guy
8) Anakin not piloting a starfighter

TCW
1) More Jango Fett
2) Less love scenes (WE DON'T CARE!)
3) General Grievous shown slaughtering some Jedi's
4) More Jedi vs Droids
5) Dooku turns evil earlier
6) Even more Emperor manipulation
7) Less C3P0 and R2-D2

ROTS
1) General Grievous is still as good as he was in the CW animated series
2) General Grievous doesn't have that dumb cough
3) Grievous lasts much longer against Obi-Wan and gets a much better death
4) Less love scenes (WE STILL DON'T CARE!)
5) More building up to Anakin turning evil, not that dumb "I killed Mace Windu, who next master?" thing they had.
6) Dooku lives longer
7) Mace Windus group isn't killed so quickly
8) Even more Emperor Manipulation
9) Show how the Rebel group is formed
10) A hell of a lot less whining!
11) More Wookie or no Wookie at all.
12) The Droids don't have voices!

queeq
Ursula's list???

Rogue Jedi
Schindler, dumbass. laughing out loud

queeq
Ah, he's into SW too, eh.

Rogue Jedi
wrong schindler.

queeq
Oh? There are more?

General G
Originally posted by Shadow Spider

3) General Grievous shown slaughtering some Jedi's

ROTS
1) General Grievous is still as good as he was in the CW animated series
2) General Grievous doesn't have that dumb cough
3) Grievous lasts much longer against Obi-Wan and gets a much better death

I like!

Originally posted by queeq
Ursula's list???

Sounds like you know a lot about this Ursula that I don't know, maybe she is someone...you know...very personally.

queeq
All I know about her I got from you.

General G
ye-no.

queeq
Is that her surname? Ursula Ye-No?

General G
.

queeq
I take that as a yes.

General G
How could that in any way, shape, or form be taken as a yes?

queeq
It looked like a yes, it sounded like a yes.... I guess it IS a yes. evil face

General G
That logic doesn't work at all! That is like me saying that your post makes it sound like you are in love with an Ursula!

queeq
No it's not.

And your Ursula is quite off topic by now. CLOSING.

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