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In my opinion, people need to stop hating on us so much...

I'm not saying don't hate the government and all that jazz, 'cause yeah our governments corrupt and greedy, but so is all the other countries governments, and I don't think it's fair that the actual CITIZENS of the country should have to be persecuted because of it.

I spent about the last half hour getting bashed by people from the UK and Canada on a different forum because I said that I was American.

me and my friend got bashed and banned from a UK server on an on-line game, because when asked what country we were from, we replied that we were Americans.

It really is unfair that the people of a country should have to suffer because of something their government is doing. I'm not fighting in Iraq, hell I don't even support the war. I have relatives in every major part of the world, and because of that I don't hate any race or country, so why should I and my friends have to endure idiots who feel the need to tell me about how crappy and dirty and ignorant I am, and how spoiled and cruel I am, how I'm such a dirty American whose days are numbered. It really is pissing me off, and if any of you who read this fit the category who do the things I mentioned, I recommend that you lay off.

I was browsing around google reading about Saddam's trial, and I found this site:
http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/saddam.2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://markhumphrys.com/end.tyrants.html&h=480&w=640&sz=62&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=VUMZj_xOiHY79M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/ images%3Fq%3Dsaddam%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
%26sa%3DG

Underneath a picture of Saddam, it says:
"There is no God to bring justice on this earth. But there is America, and the U.S. military."

Gotta love the arrogance.

wow, i had no idea it was so bad.

im sorry.

No, hate on America's citizens all you like. Just not the ones on this forum.

Americans are arrogant, ignorant, apathetic, and self-centered. Hate on them all you like

I really do hope you were being sracastic... If not, that's pretty immature

I would agree. Hating people because of their nationality is idiotic...except french people...they suck...cause they are french.


OMGzzor...my spelling is utterly ridiculous.

Quiet you German swine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Quiet you German swine.

Are you french? You sure as hell sound it. So...got invaded by Germany lately?

lmfao.

Nah I'm not French, you forgot where I'm from Bardock. I have much love for the German people, especially Chancellor Merkel. droolio

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nah I'm not French, you forgot where I'm from Bardock. I have much love for the German people, especially Chancellor Merkel. droolio

I am not sure, I thought you were from New Zealand...but I might have made that up....but for the sake of the joke it was better to pretend you are French. And...that's alright with me...I prefer good looking women..but whatever floats your boat, right?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure, I thought you were from New Zealand...but I might have made that up....but for the sake of the joke it was better to pretend you are French. And...that's alright with me...I prefer good looking women..but whatever floats your boat, right? Indeed you do.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Indeed you do.

Man...that was good times when I imagined you as good looking woman...thanks for spoiling it x...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Man...that was good times when I imagined you as good looking woman...thanks for spoiling it x... You can still imagine it if you really want to... despite that I'm male... and have a peepers instead of a vajingo.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You can still imagine it if you really want to... despite that I'm male... and have a peepers instead of a vajingo.

Yes...well, I am not that good, yet....your whole "I'm male" thingy is just too much...you also don't have hot comic sigs anymore.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes...well, I am not that good, yet....your whole "I'm male" thingy is just too much...you also don't have hot comic sigs anymore. You miss Flash's thighs don't you?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You miss Flash's thighs don't you?

Flash is hot...yes...but I was thinking about the girl whos name I forgot, but I think i knew once...

And my thread has been reduced to Spam...

Originally posted by Blax X
I really do hope you were being sracastic... If not, that's pretty immature I was being a little sarcastic...but it's still true

Originally posted by Blax X


And my thread has been reduced to Spam...

Not necessarily spam, just general off-topicness. It wasn't that much of a good thread anyways. I actually think we might have one or two along the lines.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Flash is hot...yes...but I was thinking about the girl whos name I forgot, but I think i knew once... Just be happy with negatived Jessica Alba.Originally posted by Blax X


And my thread has been reduced to Spam... If it makes you feel better it wasn't a very good thread to begin with.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just be happy with negatived Jessica Alba.

No..change your sig.

I would... if I wanted to... but I don't right now. I'd tell you to change yours, but The Smiths' sexy stares make me do things I can't say in public. Dirty dirty things.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I would... if I wanted to... but I don't right now. I'd tell you to change yours, but The Smiths' sexy stares make me do things I can't say in public. Dirty dirty things.

Well, that certainly sounds fair. Now, tell me..who was the blonde beauty you had in your sig?

Yeah, me too...dirty dirty....I'd say so dirty that not even urizen would ever think of thinking them.

Blonde you say?

Of course she'd have to be blonde haired and blue eyed, right? Right? German swine!

Hmm only one I can think of right now is Emma Frost, if it was a comic character.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Blonde you say?

Of course she'd have to be blonde haired and blue eyed, right? Right? German swine!

Hmm only one I can think of right now is Emma Frost, if it was a comic character.

Yes.

Yes.

No..I don't think so..she had a blue cape....

A blue cape to match her Aryan eyes. Hmm...

How long ago was this?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A blue cape to match her Aryan eyes. Hmm...

How long ago was this?

Quite some time I think..maybe 5 months...maybe longer.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/trios2.jpg
That's the closest thing I can think of... other than that, my hard drive was fried a while back and I lost everything. Even my porn. It was a sad day.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/trios2.jpg
That's the closest thing I can think of... other than that, my hard drive was fried a while back and I lost everything. Even my porn. It was a sad day.

Yes...that's it...I liked it...

My God...what an unfortunate loss...I feel with you.

Originally posted by Blax X
In my opinion, people need to stop hating on us so much...

I'm not saying don't hate the government and all that jazz, 'cause yeah our governments corrupt and greedy, but so is all the other countries governments, and I don't think it's fair that the actual CITIZENS of the country should have to be persecuted because of it.

I spent about the last half hour getting bashed by people from the UK and Canada on a different forum because I said that I was American.

me and my friend got bashed and banned from a UK server on an on-line game, because when asked what country we were from, we replied that we were Americans.

It really is unfair that the people of a country should have to suffer because of something their government is doing. I'm not fighting in Iraq, hell I don't even support the war. I have relatives in every major part of the world, and because of that I don't hate any race or country, so why should I and my friends have to endure idiots who feel the need to tell me about how crappy and dirty and ignorant I am, and how spoiled and cruel I am, how I'm such a dirty American whose days are numbered. It really is pissing me off, and if any of you who read this fit the category who do the things I mentioned, I recommend that you lay off. Actually the citizens are one of the reason why I lose interest into the country itself!

Originally posted by Blax X
I really do hope you were being sracastic... If not, that's pretty immature

And ANALity isn't?...

Originally posted by Strangelove
No, hate on America's citizens all you like. Just not the ones on this forum.

Americans are arrogant, ignorant, apathetic, and self-centered. Hate on them all you like

Arrogant? Check.

Ignorant? Nope.

Apathetic? Check.

Self-Centered? Pretty much these days.

I'm only 3/4ths American!

I'm American and proud to be one. I'm simply ashamed of my government.

I think people should be over sterotypes. People like Pat Robertson who when randomly bring up French tax breaks to families that have more children, says that this is really an issue about "If we really want more French people."

If you're proud to align yourself with Pat Robertson, then insult way.

If not, shut up.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just be happy with negatived Jessica Alba.If it makes you feel better it wasn't a very good thread to begin with.


Well, it was just a rant anyway. But eh, i've made my point.

Originally posted by Blax X
Well, it was just a rant anyway. But eh, i've made my point.

And that would be? That we shouldn't bash people that live in the US because of their democratically elected government?

Originally posted by Fishy
And that would be? That we shouldn't bash people that live in the US because of their democratically elected government?


Yes absolutely correct, thats it!

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes absolutely correct, thats it!

But we may bash them for other reasons. What about the voters of said government. may we bash them for voting it in?

Originally posted by Bardock42
But we may bash them for other reasons. What about the voters of said government. may we bash them for voting it in?


Yes absolutely correct, thats it, bash away!

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes absolutely correct, thats it, bash away!

Nah, I just wanted to be sure who and when and why I am allowed to bash.

Originally posted by Fishy
And that would be? That we shouldn't bash people that live in the US because of their democratically elected government?

No, my rant is that why should I be have to be bashed by idiots across the world because of something my GOVERNMENT does that I don't even agree with in the first place?

I don't believe Iraq should have been invaded, nor Vietnam. hell, I'm a pacifist, I don't approve of any wars, or occuping other peoples lands, or any of that cheap shit that my government does.

And you know as well as i do that the "democraticly elected government" buisness is all bullsh*t. So don't try to pass it off as "We voted for him, so it's our fault to."

Originally posted by Blax X
No, my rant is that why should I be have to be bashed by idiots across the world because of something my GOVERNMENT does that I don't even agree with in the first place?

I don't believe Iraq should have been invaded, nor Vietnam. hell, I'm a pacifist, I don't approve of any wars, or occuping other peoples lands, or any of that cheap shit that my government does.

And you know as well as i do that the "democraticly elected government" buisness is all bullsh*t. So don't try to pass it off as "We voted for him, so it's our fault to."

Actually it is, you voted for him. Or at least the majority of the people in the US did. Seeing as he's president we can safely assume that he was at least elected by the majority of the people. 51% of the people agreed with him becoming president. So yes we can blame 51% of all Americans for Bush.

Seeing as it's kinda hard to know if somebody voted Bush or not we just have to play it safe and bash all Americans... You know before we miss a chance to not bash one, that would suck.

It woudl suck a lot even.

I actually read somewhere that Bush lost the majority of the votes by the actual citizens, but won somewhere else, or he cheated or something.

But that could just be conspiracy BS. I'll have to research it...

And even if people did vote for him, thats no reason to bash anybody. Should I bash every person from the UK I knwo and see because of the terrible thigns their government has done in the past?

Every country has done something shameful, so why point fingers at anyone?

Originally posted by Blax X
I actually read somewhere that Bush lost the majority of the votes by the actual citizens, but won somewhere else, or he cheated or something.

But that could just be conspiracy BS. I'll have to research it...

And even if people did vote for him, thats no reason to bash anybody. Should I bash every person from the UK I knwo and see because of the terrible thigns their government has done in the past?

Every country has done something shameful, so why point fingers at anyone?
Sure...why not? I do all the time. It's easier with the US as they are doing all the horrible things right now.

So are you dmiting that what your doing is wrong, but it's fun to do anyway?

Originally posted by Fishy
And that would be? That we shouldn't bash people that live in the US because of their democratically elected government?

its well known that there is a high degree of disporpotionality in the US elections.

The people are not accountable for every action of the government.

Originally posted by Blax X
So are you dmiting that what your doing is wrong, but it's fun to do anyway?

No. I generally don't admit that anything is wrong. Then i am also not actually doing it...or not in any instance I recall.

Originally posted by Alliance
its well known that there is a high degree of disporpotionality in the US elections.

The people are not accountable for every action of the government.

Of course not and I'm overreacting. I don't bash all Americans just those people that think that the US is superior to everything else and that Bush is a good president.

Still fact remains as long as the government is a democratic government and Bush remains in power the US citizens have failed to do anything about it, and are therefor responsible for the government. Everybody that didn't vote is responsible, everybody that voted for Bush is responsible, everybody that voted for small party's is responsible, everybody that helped Bush cheat is responsible, and the majority of the people that for some reason just seemed to accept it.

Which if it's true is absolutely ridiculous. I can't even imagine that happening here.

Man, I live in the U.S. and I hate most of the citizens here.

Originally posted by BackFire
Man, I live in the U.S. and I hate most of the citizens here.

Nah, that's just good old misanthropy. It has nothing to do with the superior ignorance portrayed by some US citizens.

Originally posted by Fishy
Actually it is, you voted for him. Or at least the majority of the people in the US did. Seeing as he's president we can safely assume that he was at least elected by the majority of the people. 51% of the people agreed with him becoming president. So yes we can blame 51% of all Americans for Bush.

Seeing as it's kinda hard to know if somebody voted Bush or not we just have to play it safe and bash all Americans... You know before we miss a chance to not bash one, that would suck.

No, 51% of the people did NOT vote for him. At least 12% of the nation didn't vote at all and around 49% voted against Bush(Kerry had 48% I believe and Independents had 1%. I could be wrong, but its close to those numbers). That's at LEAST 58% of the American population that did NOT vote for Bush to become president.

I hate math, but numbers do come in handy.

Originally posted by BackFire
Man, I live in the U.S. and I hate most of the citizens here.

Right on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, that's just good old misanthropy. It has nothing to do with the superior ignorance portrayed by some US citizens.

Right on. Except we actually elected a superior idiot.

The common man is too dangerous to have choices.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
No, 51% of the people did NOT vote for him. At least 12% of the nation didn't vote at all and around 49% voted against Bush(Kerry had 48% I believe and Independents had 1%. I could be wrong, but its close to those numbers). That's at LEAST 58% of the American population that did NOT vote for Bush to become president.

I hate math, but numbers do come in handy.
Sorry, I don't think voter apathy is a good reason not to insult people.

Originally posted by Trickster
Sorry, I don't think voter apathy is a good reason not to insult people.

Apathy? "I don't want to decide between a giant douche and a turd sandwhich." Ring any bells?

Anyway, I've always said my city needs to secede from the rest of the country and elect our own president.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Apathy? "I don't want to decide between a giant douche and a turd sandwhich." Ring any bells?

Anyway, I've always said my city needs to secede from the rest of the country and elect our own president.

Yeah, it was a good episode. But I do not subscribe to the "if we don't vote we will show them what we think and they will have to act upon it" idea. Cause it's BULLSHIT. It'*s not a sign, it won't force anybody, it's just wasting your vote. Voting on a thir party is better, although with your fascist election system that is bullshit as well. Next time when it is between something shitty and something really shitty...please, please take the shitty..cause we have seen that half your country will take the bigger evil...

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Apathy? "I don't want to decide between a giant douche and a turd sandwhich." Ring any bells?

Anyway, I've always said my city needs to secede from the rest of the country and elect our own president.

It doesn't matter more people voted for Bush than any other cadidate. Hence he wins. End of story.

My city tried to secede...its didn't work. We did get home rule though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, it was a good episode. But I do not subscribe to the "if we don't vote we will show them what we think and they will have to act upon it" idea. Cause it's BULLSHIT. It'*s not a sign, it won't force anybody, it's just wasting your vote. Voting on a thir party is better, although with your fascist election system that is bullshit as well. Next time when it is between something shitty and something really shitty...please, please take the shitty..cause we have seen that half your country will take the bigger evil...

You're flogging the converted. Point is, the majority of the population didn't vote for Bush.

The point is, it doesn't matter if the majority did. the US is PLURALISTIC. You don't need 50% to win.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
You're flogging the converted. Point is, the majority of the population didn't vote for Bush.

And, yet he is still in power. So someone ****ed up big time. I blame you voters. No, actually I don't..I never get my way in elections..I know how you feel.

Hell I campaigned for Kerry. Anything to get that whore out of power.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
No, 51% of the people did NOT vote for him. At least 12% of the nation didn't vote at all and around 49% voted against Bush(Kerry had 48% I believe and Independents had 1%. I could be wrong, but its close to those numbers). That's at LEAST 58% of the American population that did NOT vote for Bush to become president.

I hate math, but numbers do come in handy.

And that would still mean that more then 50% of the US is responsible for Bush...

If those people that didn't vote would have voted, or those people that voted for independent party's which have no chance in the US would have voted otherwise then things might have been different. So I blame the majority of the US for the president. Because quite simply the majority of the US could have changed it if they would have wanted too. Obviously they didn't.

Originally posted by Fishy
And that would still mean that more then 50% of the US is responsible for Bush...

If those people that didn't vote would have voted, or those people that voted for independent party's which have no chance in the US would have voted otherwise then things might have been different. So I blame the majority of the US for the president. Because quite simply the majority of the US could have changed it if they would have wanted too. Obviously they didn't.

Actually, it wouldn't. If 12% didn't vote, then at most about 44-45% voted for Bush.

And usually, only half the nation actually votes.

I hate voter apathy. Almost as much as I can't stand when people act like if someone is elected that everyone voted for them.

And this isn't even getting into the BS that's known as the electoral college.

Originally posted by Alliance
Hell I campaigned for Kerry. Anything to get that whore out of power.

Heh, I was furious when Kerry conceded. I SO wanted Bush gone.

He is saying that the 12% that didn't vote and the people that voted for 3rd parties are responsible for Bush's victory as well. Of course children and other people that are unable to vote are not considered. But of the voting population more than 50% did in one way or another ensure his victory.

Oh...also, your voting system sucks.

I don't like Americans because they spell citizens wrong doped

Originally posted by silver_tears
I don't like Americans because they spell citizens wrong doped

The weird thing is that you are able to spell it correctly, comrade. I smell treason.

I don't like Americans.... DEY TUK R JUBZ! hmm

Originally posted by Bardock42
He is saying that the 12% that didn't vote and the people that voted for 3rd parties are responsible for Bush's victory as well. Of course children and other people that are unable to vote are not considered. But of the voting population more than 50% did in one way or another ensure his victory.

Oh...also, your voting system sucks.

No shit it does. The electoral college is completely pointless and is a good part of why a lot of people don't care about voting. It seriously needs to be gotten rid of.

And I really don't buy that - as we have no idea how those who don't vote would vote, I don't think claims like that really hold water.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dey certainly tuk ur country....lets have the homosexual mass orgy anyways.

Sounds like a plan. hmm

Originally posted by Alliance
The common man is too dangerous to have choices. that what the founding fathers said

Originally posted by Bardock42
The weird thing is that you are able to spell it correctly, comrade. I smell treason.

I was born in Europe doped

Originally posted by Lana
No shit it does. The electoral college is completely pointless and is a good part of why a lot of people don't care about voting. It seriously needs to be gotten rid of.

And I really don't buy that - as we have no idea how those who don't vote would vote, I don't think claims like that really hold water.
Well, it is easy reasoning and in this case certainly acceptable. Everyone that does not help getting Bush out of office helps keeping him in and is therefore just as worthy of blame as someone who actually voted.

They couldn't have done more harm..but they did no good (from an anti-bush point of view)

As for the voting process. I think two party systems are undemocratic.

Originally posted by silver_tears
I was born in Europe doped

I know, commie sister.

Originally posted by silver_tears
I was born in Europe doped

High Five!?

Actually I don't blame the voters in the USA I blame all the other countries that whine and complain about USA policy both foreign and domestic calling us bad, evil etc etc

I say why don't you just come in and invade us and take over our govt as some people here think the average folk in the USA is fairly helpless and ignorant.

Originally posted by Blax X
In my opinion, people need to stop hating on us so much...

I'm not saying don't hate the government and all that jazz, 'cause yeah our governments corrupt and greedy, but so is all the other countries governments, and I don't think it's fair that the actual CITIZENS of the country should have to be persecuted because of it.

I spent about the last half hour getting bashed by people from the UK and Canada on a different forum because I said that I was American.

me and my friend got bashed and banned from a UK server on an on-line game, because when asked what country we were from, we replied that we were Americans.

It really is unfair that the people of a country should have to suffer because of something their government is doing. I'm not fighting in Iraq, hell I don't even support the war. I have relatives in every major part of the world, and because of that I don't hate any race or country, so why should I and my friends have to endure idiots who feel the need to tell me about how crappy and dirty and ignorant I am, and how spoiled and cruel I am, how I'm such a dirty American whose days are numbered. It really is pissing me off, and if any of you who read this fit the category who do the things I mentioned, I recommend that you lay off.

I get blash too because I am from italy but because I live in america.Go figure.Got too use to it to care anymore.jm

Originally posted by Soleran
Actually I don't blame the voters in the USA I blame all the other countries that whine and complain about USA policy both foreign and domestic calling us bad, evil etc etc

I say why don't you just come in and invade us and take over our govt as some people here think the average folk in the USA is fairly helpless and ignorant.

And it is your good right to complain. I actually agree a lot of those whiners are idiots. As for the invading thing..you are thinking like a redneck again...us cultivated people do not believe in invading other countries for selfish reasons.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I get blash too because I am from italy but because I live in america.Go figure.Got too use to it to care anymore.jm

That is disgusting. I hate that people get bashed for their nationality...well...at least in your case...there's enough to "blash" you for without going into origin or nationality.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And it is your good right to complain. I actually agree a lot of those whiners are idiots. As for the invading thing..you are thinking like a redneck again...us cultivated people do not believe in invading other countries for selfish reasons.



I was exagerating a point the way same folks are using the same sort of exagerations to draw crazy opinions.

Good don't invade us just send over your German beer, now, lots of it!

Originally posted by Soleran
I was exagerating a point the way same folks are using the same sort of exagerations to draw crazy opinions.

Good don't invade us just send over your German beer, now, lots of it!

I liked the "us cultivated people" thing anyways.

We are free and capitalist....you can buy as much as you want.

I am American. Am I stoopid, too? ;_;

Certainly not because you are American.

Being an American, there is no really good way to respond to this thread. If you even hint that america has brough some or all of this on itself, you're labelled an America-hating Liberal. If you denounce every person who decries America on the world scene, you're labelled a conservative, sound-bite whore. The truth is really in the middle. Every person on these foums has an opinion on America and it's place in world politics. Some of those opinions are valid and some are not.

^ What he said.

Originally posted by Blax X
In my opinion, people need to stop hating on us so much...

I'm not saying don't hate the government and all that jazz, 'cause yeah our governments corrupt and greedy, but so is all the other countries governments, and I don't think it's fair that the actual CITIZENS of the country should have to be persecuted because of it.

I spent about the last half hour getting bashed by people from the UK and Canada on a different forum because I said that I was American.

me and my friend got bashed and banned from a UK server on an on-line game, because when asked what country we were from, we replied that we were Americans.

It really is unfair that the people of a country should have to suffer because of something their government is doing. I'm not fighting in Iraq, hell I don't even support the war. I have relatives in every major part of the world, and because of that I don't hate any race or country, so why should I and my friends have to endure idiots who feel the need to tell me about how crappy and dirty and ignorant I am, and how spoiled and cruel I am, how I'm such a dirty American whose days are numbered. It really is pissing me off, and if any of you who read this fit the category who do the things I mentioned, I recommend that you lay off.

Man thats just plain wrong that you got bashed and banned on a UK server just because you were American.we got an evil,greedy and corrupt government,theirs no question about that.But thats totally unfair that they take out their hatred of our government out on you and your friend.

Well, I like being an American. Hell, our history shows how kickass we are! We defeated the world's most powerful army with farmers and one of the the world's most powerful naval fleets. I mean... that's good for something, right?! I mean, sure, we're cocky, fat, and ignorant, but there are some of us above that.

Am I a conservative flag-waver?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
we got an evil,greedy and corrupt government,theirs no question about that.


Yeah its so obvious that the U.S.A. is the only country facing issues like this huh?

Originally posted by Bardock42
As for the voting process. I think two party systems are undemocratic. There are plenty of problems with multi-party systems too

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Being an American, there is no really good way to respond to this thread. If you even hint that america has brough some or all of this on itself, you're labelled an America-hating Liberal. If you denounce every person who decries America on the world scene, you're labelled a conservative, sound-bite whore. The truth is really in the middle. Every person on these foums has an opinion on America and it's place in world politics. Some of those opinions are valid and some are not. I don't hate America, I hate Americans

Originally posted by Strangelove
I don't hate America, I hate Americans


Don't you live in America and if you do that's alot of self loathing.

Originally posted by Strangelove
There are plenty of problems with multi-party systems too

Yeah, but being undemocratic is not one of them.

I'm American so i technically can't do either weep

Yet I do.

Originally posted by Soleran
Don't you live in America and if you do that's alot of self loathing. I do live in America. And I love America. But the people in in are quite stupid. Except me and a few others, of course

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but being undemocratic is not one of them. does the 5 party system work well for Germany?

I don't know much about the German system, but I'll say that I prefer the British system of government over the American.

Here's a reason to not hate America. The movies! We got Hollywood and our movies outgross yours! I win! MUAHAHAHAAA!!

usaflag

Originally posted by Strangelove
does the 5 party system work well for Germany?

Yes.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Here's a reason to not hate America.

How about the Constitution and the Declaration of Independance.

Originally posted by Alliance
How about the Constitution and the Declaration of Independance.

Oh yeah... I guess France has lost the right to knock us. Woot!

Originally posted by Trickster
I don't know much about the German system, but I'll say that I prefer the British system of government over the American. I think it's stupid, really. Having the Judicial, Executive and Legislative power of government all vested in one body (Parliament)?

That's just asking for troubleOriginally posted by Bardock42
Yes. fair enough

*double post

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes.

Unless you're Bavarian... then the German political system is well um... sh**. It's funny how northern and southern Germans despise each other... just like home. lol

Every country has something about themselves to be ashamed of... in the past we have pointed it out and mocked them accordingly... well now it's our turn, so toughen up..AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! Don't worry we will get our turn again.

Originally posted by Napkin Thief
Unless you're Bavarian... then the German political system is well um... sh**. It's funny how northern and southern Germans despise each other... just like home. lol

Every country has something about themselves to be ashamed of... in the past we have pointed it out and mocked them accordingly... well now it's our turn, so toughen up..AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! Don't worry we will get our turn again.

That is not true. Although I do happen to be Bavarian. The German system as such is not shit. It is rather fair and it is free. That the majority of people are still idiots that won't vote for a decent party is something you have to accept in a democracy. Also, I personally do not despise Northern Germans, sure we make jokes about Prussians and such, but I wouldn't say it is hate.

Your second paragraph sadly remains a mystery to me. Except if you are a US Citizen and were just generally replying to the thread and not to me.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Your second paragraph sadly remains a mystery to me. Except if you are a US Citizen and were just generally replying to the thread and not to me. I believe that was the case

I like my government and you like yours.

That's all this thread is coming down to right now.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I like my government and you like yours.

That's all this thread is coming down to right now.

You can like your government. I am just saying that two party systems are less democratic ..regardless of any real life example.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is not true. Although I do happen to be Bavarian. The German system as such is not shit. It is rather fair and it is free. That the majority of people are still idiots that won't vote for a decent party is something you have to accept in a democracy. Also, I personally do not despise Northern Germans, sure we make jokes about Prussians and such, but I wouldn't say it is hate.

Your second paragraph sadly remains a mystery to me. Except if you are a US Citizen and were just generally replying to the thread and not to me.

You're correct Bardock, I am an American and I was replying to the thread in general on that second line... and i am glad you don't hate the northerners but come on... not even alittle? I mean it's not like Bavaria volunteered to unite with Prussia.

Originally posted by Napkin Thief
You're correct Bardock, I am an American and I was replying to the thread in general on that second line... and i am glad you don't hate the northerners but come on... not even alittle? I mean it's not like Bavaria volunteered to unite with Prussia.

No, not even a little. And that happened...let me check...130 years ago....I don't hold grudges over 5 generations I am sure there are some that have ill feelings, although I suppose they are all in a more playful manner. I am wondering why you think that the German System of government is a failure though?

Info I read when Edmund Stroiber ran for chancellor... saying a Bavarian would have a tough time being elected chancellor being CSU, catholic, "different" etc... Plus, random readings of European literature have from timed to time mentioned there has always been a sort of feeling among northern Germans that they are better then southerns. Your responses have indicated that I'm not completely off base, but hey you live there not me... lol

Back to the thread... In the past nations abroad have made a distinction between US citizens and the foreign policy of the US gov't. Now we are being identified as one in the same. But there is more to this then just the current admin (who i dislike b/c they were stupid 4 invading Iraq) but a more fundamental dislike and rejection of what is considered "American" like our brand etc...

Originally posted by Napkin Thief
Info I read when Edmund Stroiber ran for chancellor... saying a Bavarian would have a tough time being elected chancellor being CSU, catholic, "different" etc... Plus, random readings of European literature have from timed to time mentioned there has always been a sort of feeling among northern Germans that they are better then southerns. Your responses have indicated that I'm not completely off base, but hey you live there not me... lol

Back to the thread... In the past nations abroad have made a distinction between US citizens and the foreign policy of the US gov't. Now we are being identified as one in the same. But there is more to this then just the current admin (who i dislike b/c they were stupid 4 invading Iraq) but a more fundamental dislike and rejection of what is considered "American" like our brand etc...

Okay. What is the point? Actually, what are you trying to say? That Northern Germans do not like Southern Germans? Even if that was true...which I personally did never experience, what would that imply. To ask it simply...what is your point.

How do you figure that?

Well, if it is true (which you say it is not) then your political system is not fair and does not represent everyone. But since you live there and have indicated this is a false presumption on my part; then your political system is fair... um unless you're a Turk... sorry i couldn't help it.

Originally posted by Napkin Thief
Well, if it is true (which you say it is not) then your political system is not fair and does not represent everyone. But since you live there and have indicated this is a false presumption on my part; then your political system is fair... um unless you're a Turk... sorry i couldn't help it.

Why? Even if it was true. It would represent everyone. Everyone has a vote. Everyone can vote for the party they want to have power? What does a possible dislike between two regions change? And if that's true, what about the cultural differences in the US. I mean there's actually a North-South thing going on.

And even if you are a turk our political system is fair. If you are a Turkish citizen you don't get a vote as you are ..well..not a citizen. If you are a turkish German you get to vote like veryone else on any party you would like.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why? Even if it was true. It would represent everyone. Everyone has a vote. Everyone can vote for the party they want to have power? What does a possible dislike between two regions change? And if that's true, what about the cultural differences in the US. I mean there's actually a North-South thing going on.

And even if you are a turk our political system is fair. If you are a Turkish citizen you don't get a vote as you are ..well..not a citizen. If you are a turkish German you get to vote like veryone else on any party you would like.


LMAO... dear god Bardock, im bored!!!

Originally posted by Napkin Thief
LMAO... dear god Bardock, im bored!!!

An in depth reply to my post would have taken your boredom for a few minutes. As it is now I can not help you as I have to retire for the night. Fare thee well.

CYA

Originally posted by Blax X
And you know as well as i do that the "democraticly elected government" buisness is all bullsh*t. So don't try to pass it off as "We voted for him, so it's our fault to." Technically the American citizens voted for him not once, but twice. They also granted control of the House and Senate to his party. Which in turn have allowed him to impact the judiciary.

On top of all this no moves have been taken to impeach him and remove his Administration on grounds that they lied to the nation and continue to lie to the nation, in order to wage a war. While Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a blowjob.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I do live in America. And I love America. But the people in in are quite stupid. Except me and a few others, of course


Yeah, ok.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Technically the American citizens voted for him not once, but twice. They also granted control of the House and Senate to his party. Which in turn have allowed him to impact the judiciary.

On top of all this no moves have been taken to impeach him and remove his Administration on grounds that they lied to the nation and continue to lie to the nation, in order to wage a war. While Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a blowjob.

You make it sound like it would be easy to prove Bush lied and it would not be. The guy is like Teflon, not much would stick, he and his party know how to keep themselves technically clean.

Meh, imo publicly stating that WMDs were found pretty easily constitutes outright lying.

Originally posted by Robtard
Misleading statements and outright lying are two entirely different animals in a political court; like I said before, he and his party are extremely adept with loopholes and blame shifting. It's an art-form for them and they're Rembrandts.

As far as "misleading" America into a war, most Democrats initially agreed that Saddam posed an threat and that the WMD's which are still MIA were probably in Iraq.

Lets not create any saints either, both parties are adept at manipulating the legal system. Most of the folks on the hill are or were attornies at one point or another.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh, imo publicly stating that WMDs were found pretty easily constitutes outright lying.

No offense, but your opinion along with mine equate too two things politically, Jack and Shit... and Jack ran home. It's what 'you' can prove, not what your gut instinct tells you. America is stuck with Bush for 2+ years, I've learned to cope with it as an American.

As far as Bush stating that WMDs were found... would that be the 20 year old defunct canisters of cerin gas? Because technically those are WMDs, they just not happen to be the WMDs America is looking for, but that's only a "technical" difference to the Bush admin.

Originally posted by Soleran
Lets not create any saints either, both parties are adept at manipulating the legal system. Most of the folks on the hill are or were attornies at one point or another.

Don't get me wrong, all politicians are adept liars and loophol'ers... We just happened to be talking about Bush and Co. here. IMO though, this admin has done more greasy escapes than the previous and they are extremely good at it.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I don't hate America, I hate Americans

Then you should take the position of someone who hates what Americans do, some of the time. It's too bad that so many people are convinced that Americans and their government are totally right on one extreme or another. I wasn't making a statement that condemned America while letting it's people off the hook. The sad part of our situation is that the people, who elect and support and condone our leaders deserve the resentment of other peoples in other nations. Are they justified? Not always. Are they justified some of the times? Most certainly.

I once got into (one of many) a political argument with my mother, who is one of those people who just regurgitate FOX sound bites and claim them as their own truth. That's just plain ignorant. It's ignorant to do it on either side of the aisle. The real America stands IN the aisle....not on one side or the other of it. But her argument was "what can you do? It's all just politics!". In an age of electronic voting, voter fraud on a national scale(on BOTH sides), the absence of legitimate checks and balances, for-profit wars, non-existant term limits, lobbyist influenced votes(again on both sides), public apathy and skyrocketing effort to eliminate the middle class via insurance policy, lack of education, etc...how can we tout ourselves as the America that acts as the conscience of the world when we've become unconscienceable?

If you want to wrap your mind around conspiracy theories, then you should start with the one that keeps us divided on one side or another. America has ****ED UP! A LOT! But it's core principles are there to help it's people understand what is right and wrong. As it is, neither side is right. And I find myself hoping both are drug off to camps with a furnace so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Originally posted by Robtard
No offense, but your opinion along with mine equate too two things politically, Jack and Shit... and Jack ran home. It's what 'you' can prove, not what your gut instinct tells you. America is stuck with Bush for 2+ years, I've learned to cope with it as an American.

As far as Bush stating that WMDs were found... would that be the 20 year old defunct canisters of cerin gas? Because technically those are WMDs, they just not happen to be the WMDs America is looking for, but that's only a "technical" difference to the Bush admin. Oh I'm not saying my opinion means anything. I'm just somewhat perplexed at the U.S. public in general, a furore over Presidential sexual relations, conversely a relatively demure response to what would objectively constitute lying to the public in order to create false pretenses to initiate a war.

I know Bush's approval ratings are dismal, but the fact is when asked, around 40% of the U.S. public still approve of his performance. It may simply be a misperception but to the external observer it seems many U.S. citizens feel the need to support their Commander-in-Chief regardless of how completely inept he and his administration perform; and hold the view that to criticize one's government is to be unpatriotic, as if patriotism supersedes democracy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh I'm not saying my opinion means anything. I'm just somewhat perplexed at the U.S. public in general, a furore over Presidential sexual relations, conversely a relatively demure response to what would objectively constitute lying to the public in order to create false pretenses to initiate a war.

I know Bush's approval ratings are dismal, but the fact is when asked, around 40% of the U.S. public still approve of his performance. It may simply be a misperception but to the external observer it seems many U.S. citizens feel the need to support their Commander-in-Chief regardless of how completely inept he and his administration perform; and hold the view that to criticize one's government is to be unpatriotic, as if patriotism supersedes democracy.

It appears we agree.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh, imo publicly stating that WMDs were found pretty easily constitutes outright lying.
Is that needed?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm just somewhat perplexed at the U.S. public in general, a furore over Presidential sexual relations, conversely a relatively demure response to what would objectively constitute lying to the public in order to create false pretenses to initiate a war.
It's nice to know I'm not alone.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Is that needed?

Are you talking about outright lying, or pointing it out?

Well often unless the qualifier "imo" is placed, people feel the need to point out that that's only your opinion, redundantly considering everything I post is my opinion unless referenced to an alternative source.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh I'm not saying my opinion means anything. I'm just somewhat perplexed at the U.S. public in general, a furore over Presidential sexual relations, conversely a relatively demure response to what would objectively constitute lying to the public in order to create false pretenses to initiate a war.

I know Bush's approval ratings are dismal, but the fact is when asked, around 40% of the U.S. public still approve of his performance. It may simply be a misperception but to the external observer it seems many U.S. citizens feel the need to support their Commander-in-Chief regardless of how completely inept he and his administration perform; and hold the view that to criticize one's government is to be unpatriotic, as if patriotism supersedes democracy.

Well said.

On a non-political note, I have lived in the US, and I have met many Americans in Asia. I'm sad to say that the majority of the ones I have met have been ignorant, arrogant idiots. At the same time, I have a few American friends who do not fit that profile.

However, from my experience, most non-Americans do seem to share the same opinion of Americans as I do. One of my friends is from Sri Lanka, and he sells curry rotis at a night market near where I live. Every day he meets and sells food to English, French, Polish, Australian, South African, Canadian and American people. He is always friendly to anyone he hasn't met before, but he says the rudest and most obnoxious people that he serves are nearly always American.

I think it is because of the way most Americans are brought up to believe that they live in 'The Greatest Country In The World' - as if there even is such a thing! With this attitude imbued since birth, it's no wonder that their interaction with non-Americans comes off as arrogant.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Are you talking about outright lying, or pointing it out?
Neither. I meant that something isn't opinion if it's fact.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well often unless the qualifier "imo" is placed, people feel the need to point out that that's only your opinion, redundantly considering everything I post is my opinion unless referenced to an alternative source.
The problem is, a fact is a fact. No "imo" needed. We were lied to.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well often unless the qualifier "imo" is placed, people feel the need to point out that that's only your opinion, redundantly considering everything I post is my opinion unless referenced to an alternative source.

Well, let me insert my version of "imo". It's an outright lie that Bush is trying to feed to the world.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well, let me insert my version of "imo". It's an outright lie that Bush is trying to feed to the world.
That's more like it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh I'm not saying my opinion means anything. I'm just somewhat perplexed at the U.S. public in general, a furore over Presidential sexual relations, conversely a relatively demure response to what would objectively constitute lying to the public in order to create false pretenses to initiate a war.

I know Bush's approval ratings are dismal, but the fact is when asked, around 40% of the U.S. public still approve of his performance. It may simply be a misperception but to the external observer it seems many U.S. citizens feel the need to support their Commander-in-Chief regardless of how completely inept he and his administration perform; and hold the view that to criticize one's government is to be unpatriotic, as if patriotism supersedes democracy.

The Clinton debacle wasn't over sex, it was over Clinton lying under oath/committing perjury. Though I do think he should have been asked to answer personal questions about his sex life in the first place.

Not a "need" to support Bush no matter what, some people simply believe he is a great man and he is doing what is right. Though I am certain people do exist like you have explained, but that isn't a strict American ideology nor do I think it is on a large scale, it happens all over the world too I'm sure.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Neither. I meant that something isn't opinion if it's fact.

The problem is, a fact is a fact. No "imo" needed. We were lied to.

Can you prove it though? There lays the problem...

Originally posted by Robtard
The Clinton debacle wasn't over sex, it was over Clinton lying under oath/committing perjury. Though I do think he should have been asked to answer personal questions about his sex life in the first place.

Not a "need" to support Bush no matter what, some people simply believe he is a great man and he is doing what is right. Though I am certain people do exist like you have explained, but that isn't a strict American ideology nor do I think it is on a large scale, it happens all over the world I'm sure.

Wow. Way to ignore all the lies Bush has told. As though "under oath" shouldn't always apply to a president when addressing the American people.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Wow. Way to ignore all the lies Bush has told.

Huh? I wasn't supporting Bush nor talking about lies/truth.

Originally posted by Robtard
Huh?


The Clinton "debacle" wasn't over him lying about his personal life. It was about him lying under oath, right?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The Clinton "debacle" wasn't over him lying about his personal life. It was about him lying under oath, right?


Yes, and what does that have to do with Bush? Xmarksthespot had made it seem that Clinton was impeached over having an affair (sexual reasons), he wasn't. It was due to him lying under oath.

My emphasis on the sexual affair is to stress the fact that he lied about something both personal and relatively trivial. Perjury charged over saying he didn't have sex with someone? Pft.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My emphasis on the sexual affair is to stress the fact that he lied about something both personal and relatively trivial.

Though I do agree with you, lying under oath isn't trivial, no matter the subject.

One can easily argue that Bush's conduct during his Presidential tenure invalidates his Oath of Office as a lie.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One can easily argue that Bush's conduct during his Presidential tenure invalidates his Oath of Office as a lie.

Try it, you'll find pinning something on the guy much harder than you think.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One can easily argue that Bush's conduct during his Presidential tenure invalidates his Oath of Office as a lie.

'Invalidates his Oath of Office as a lie'? That means you think it's not a lie.

Tee-hee...Funny ol' English.

Hmm interesting sort of like inflammable and flammable. The intention was clear enough I'd hope.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, and what does that have to do with Bush? Xmarksthespot had made it seem that Clinton was impeached over having an affair (sexual reasons), he wasn't. It was due to him lying under oath.


Because that was a major point of his 2000 campaign. Bush said he would restore honour and integrity to teh white house. Neither of which he has done. But I guess people thinkhe has, since he only ****s his wife.

I guess ****ing everyone else is a much more acceptable offense.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Because that was a major point of his 2000 campaign. Bush said he would restore honour and integrity to teh white house. Neither of which he has done. But I guess people thinkhe has, since he only ****s his wife.

I guess ****ing everyone else is a much more acceptable offense.

Do you really think it was an accident that the camera happened to catch George grabbing Laura's ass in 2000? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical.

But still, the fact remains that Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not for a sexual affair.

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you really think it was an accident that the camera happened to catch George grabbing Laura's ass in 2000? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical.

But still, the fact remains that Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not for a sexual affair.

Why was the investigation started in the first place?