Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is ridiculous, and the 2ns time you've tried to mince words to further some random theory.
Frank ain't hitting Spidey with anything ever unless it's got a helluva lot of spread (like, say, a nuke).
Whoa, whoa, whoa are ypu trying to bust my balls? Thats right this is the second time. The first time I made my point about Cap and I backed it up. You said absolutely nothing first time, so dont come back here and run your mouth unless you got something produtive to say.
In all honesty I am pushing it a bit with Frank, I dont know that much about him im just making discussion, but basically the first time you never even replied to my response. I tell you what since you think you're such a bad*** reply to my Cap post or just leave me alone.
Originally posted by inamilist
1) Marvel.com, along with handbooks are not definitive sources. It is heartbreaking, totally asinine that they dont have accurate info on their sites or in their books, but thats the way it is.
Yes to tell you the truth I am just making discussion if I knew more about his character maybe I could find stuff to back it up.
Originally posted by inamilist
2) The reason that Punisher CAN'T hit spiderman has nothing to do with either his classification of human or with his aim. a)In comics, guns always job and b) Spiderman has a spidersense.
*sigh* Spiderman always gets grief from talented humans. I can imagine him dodging the first shot but I cant see why Frank could not get him eventually with a barrage of shots. Basically I think Frank would need prep to hit Spiderman.
Originally posted by inamilist
Basically, even if frank was the greatest marksman in the universe, physics in the marvel universe, as they pertain to spiderman, basically state that he can avoid bullets indefinatly. It also says this for characters like Daredevil and Captain America, however this is normally pushed aside as the PIS it is.
Cap and DD are superhuman. There is plenty of info to prove it.
Originally posted by inamilist
To begin with, your argument is ridiculous. The site DOES NOT USE THE WORD SUPERHUMAN.
In fact, it uses a word like preternatural
now, ill let this definition stand, though recommend people look up a more explicitive description of the word, especially why it is not the same as SUPERnatural.
Preternatural, like supernatural, deals with things that are not "natural". Whereas supernatural deals with things like the divine or magic, preternatural deals with more plausable, almost more of the "extremeties" of real.
For instance, someone with the same ability to smell as well a dog can, would be said to have a beyond natural sense of smell. While supernatural CAN be used, it is MORE correct to use preternatural (unless you are saying that it is a God given super power or something for this person to smell at beyond human levels).
Now, why would Marvel go out of their way to use an obscure word that means ALMOST the same thing as supernatural? BECAUSE THEY DIDNT WANT TO USE SUPERNATURAL.
Yes, they wish to imply that the punisher has better aim than any human, they wish to say that it is so good it shouldn't be human. However, the fact that they use the "preter" rather than "super" shows that they are specifically stating that there is no real unhuman signifigance to this. By not using "super" they are trying to say that Frank really is human, if capable of doing things beyond human capacity.
To tell you the truth I am just being controverisal but the fact of the matter is that prenatural can mean the samething as superhuman depending on the context. If there is enough evidence of Punisher hitting people wioth superhuman reflexes with his gun then the term can mean superhuman.
Originally posted by inamilist
Achually, your argument doesnt follow to your thesis here. If the punisher is human, then yes, sure, his aiming talent can be a "power", but if he is superhuman as you suggest, then why even include this? Certainly he isnt a superhuman BECAUSE of his talent, since that would be akin to me saying Wayne Gretzky or Micheal Jordan are superhuman simply because there are no other people out there that are as talented as they are (or were).
This is were guys like you dont get it. Humans in the MU are different from humans in the real world. For staters human beings were experimented on by the Celestials therefor giving all humans mutated genes. Not not everyone can fly but you're average MU has greater potential. Futhermore this is Mantis's bio from Marvel.com.
Abilities
Through training with the Priests of Pama, Mantis attained "complete control" over her body, achieving peak human agility, the ability to accelerate her recuperative powers through force of will, and an empathic nature enabling her to sense the emotions of others as "psychic vibrations." Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor
Well basically her ability to knock out people like Thor is not classified as a power but common sense dictates that it is the equivalent of a power. Like I said humans use talents as the equivalent of powers so Punishers skills with guns could be considered to be a power even if it is not classified as one, depending on his showings in the comics.
Originally posted by Soljer
I did say in the past that Cap was classified as preternatural, which is synonymous with supernatural.
So supernatural is not a similar term to superhuman.
Originally posted by Soljer
However, that was referring to strength, not aim.
So what? You were trying to prove that Cap could be considered to be superhuman.
Originally posted by Soljer
Bullseye isn't superhuman either, and he has MUCH better aim than the punisher.
Originally posted by Soljer
Just because either of these two characters have supernatural or superhuman aim does NOT mean they are supernatural or superhuman themselves.
Do I have to elaborate on whats wrong with this statement?
Originally posted by Soljer
Also, neither of them are EVER hitting spidey. Not in the forums, anyways.
But Captain America is?