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Gladiator is ultra-confident and his confidence isn't going to dip in this battle. He is determined show his empire that even a god isn't above him when his confidence is supreme and he will fight Thor with everything he's got until he alone is left standing, victoriously holding his battle prize, Mjolnir, over the fallen god's crumpled body.

Thor is furious beyond imagination at the indignation of being challenged by an insolent alien. Thor's anger manifests in a lightning storm over Asgard such that man has never witnessed! Despite Odin's pleas to the contrary, our warrior god backs down from no challenge. Thor plans to teach Gladiator how much a fool he is for daring to challenge a god by unleashing the full extent of Thor's powers, without any mercy.

The Watcher learns of this situation, and in an attempt to prevent collateral destruction that is sure to result from this great battle, transports the two warriors onto a rocky planet with a magical forcefield around it ensuring that neither combatant can escape.

Who will be left standing after this planet-shaking battle is over? (please state reasons for your choice. after enough responses, I will write a conclusion.)

the planet blows up, and both die cus the shield doesn't let them leave

Do you write, Bruce?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Do you write, Bruce?

no, I don't write. I just wanted to spice up the scenario a bit, try to get some more interest than just to say Thor v. Gladiator bloodlust on. I wanted to explain why both would be on bloodlust.

Well, you've stipulated that Glads is ultra confident and his confidence won't dip. That means if he goes into this fight believeing he can't lose, and that belief can't be shaken, then he won't lose. That's his whole deal.

I gotta go with Kallark on this one.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well, you've stipulated that Glads is ultra confident and his confidence won't dip. That means if he goes into this fight believeing he can't lose, and that belief can't be shaken, then he won't lose. That's his whole deal.

I think his confidence effect is a bit of a hyperbole. Sure, he is much more powerful when fully confident, but it doesn't mean he can defeat Galactus if he believes he can. In the Character OWnage thread, I think there is a pic of a fully confident Galactus being owned by some very powerful version of Silver Surfer (Glad was cut in 2 by surfer's board).

Originally posted by masterbruce
I think his confidence effect is a bit of a hyperbole. Sure, he is much more powerful when fully confident, but it doesn't mean he can defeat Galactus if he believes he can. In the Character OWnage thread, I think there is a pic of a fully confident Galactus being owned by some very powerful version of Silver Surfer (Glad was cut in 2 by surfer's board). Yeah, it probably is hyperbole, but regardless, you've put us into the uncharted territory of Kallark having confidence that can't be broken no matter what. What i said is just as possible as anything else.

Though he did seem pretty confident the whole time against Tyrant, and still got his ass handed to him....

Regardless, even without unshakeable confidence Kallrk takes a slight majority over Thor IMO.

I think its more as Gladiator only loses "power" when his confidence is shaken. Not the other way around.

Originally posted by masterbruce
no, I don't write. I just wanted to spice up the scenario a bit, try to get some more interest than just to say Thor v. Gladiator bloodlust on. I wanted to explain why both would be on bloodlust.

Oh, cool.

As a writer myself, it seemed to me you might. Ah, well...

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Oh, cool.

As a writer myself, it seemed to me you might. Ah, well...

I'll take that as a compliment. Are you a professional writer? What do you write?

So, so far, it seems like Gladiator will prevail.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I think his confidence effect is a bit of a hyperbole. Sure, he is much more powerful when fully confident, but it doesn't mean he can defeat Galactus if he believes he can. In the Character OWnage thread, I think there is a pic of a fully confident Galactus being owned by some very powerful version of Silver Surfer (Glad was cut in 2 by surfer's board).

It was an Exiles comic... in it galactus was the savior of worlds... a diseasing was rendering all planets lifeless... and it was galactus's role to heal the planets.. even the shiar loved galactus.. In this world zennla was a wartorn world that destroyed itself... galactus made surfer a herald to find him worlds faster that he could heal... in exchange surfer asked that galactus teach him how he heals worlds so that he could restore zennla... galactus ended up refusing so surfer rose up against his former master...galactus states he can only heal worlds that were dying due to whatever disease was killing them, and that he would (or maybe could) not aid planets that had done it to themselves. so eventually the shiar and exiles had to go up against the surfer...
Kallark was indeed cut inhalf by the surfboard in this reality... and the surfer was defeated, bfr actually, by blink who's power was augmented by galactus to levels way beyond what she could normally do...

in this world galactus was entirely brown and appeared to be made of earth..



also really quick. on the lowend kallark was defeated by cannonball.. and on the highend he defeated ego a living planet... (neither of these were when kallark was augmented like when he had the unipower... which is something else altogether)

a bloodlust thor i would think should be able to put down gladiator... who has repeatedly been used as a bar to measure the power levels of new characters... if you want to say someone is pretty powerful... have them beat up glads.. .or terrax.. or surfer...

Am I the only one who is of the opinion that 616 surfer SERIOUSLY needs to do some owning like his exiles counterpart?

Tough fight, I say enraged Thor takes this, just too much versatility for Glads, Mjonir i mean...

Originally posted by Roldz
Tough fight, I say enraged Thor takes this, just too much versatility for Glads, Mjonir i mean...



and glads admitted himself thor was too powerful for him . . .

Originally posted by leonidas


and glads admitted himself thor was too powerful for him . . . Well... technically it was an alternate Gladiator from the future...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well... technically it was an alternate Gladiator from the future...

who knows... maybe that alternate Glads already had his but handed to him... and was remembering it.

Hmm, what comics was this from?

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well, you've stipulated that Glads is ultra confident and his confidence won't dip. That means if he goes into this fight believeing he can't lose, and that belief can't be shaken, then he won't lose. That's his whole deal.

Quoted for the truth. Gladiator literally won't stop until Thor is lying bleeding in Glad's hands.

Meh, just because his strength won't dip because his confidence won't dip, doesn't make him invulnerable. My understanding of his power is that if he's fully confident, he can overcome anything he focuses on. But this does not guard against the possibility of him being taken by suprise and being hurt as a consequence. Being suprised means he had no chance to focus on whatever obstacle was placed in front of him and therefore, given sufficient power, he could still be overwhelmed. Get what I'm saying?

But this may be an incorrect. If it is, I'd like links or scans please for educational purposes. Learning is fun.

Beserker Thor is suppose to be ten times stronger then regular Thor that might be a factor.

Originally posted by golem370
Beserker Thor is suppose to be ten times stronger then regular Thor that might be a factor.

As I've said in a HUNDRED threads, I'm still waiting for concrete evidence of Warrior Madness Thor being ten times the strength of a normal Thor.

Many have mentioned that it is only fanboy trapping.

Originally posted by Soljer
As I've said in a HUNDRED threads, I'm still waiting for concrete evidence of Warrior Madness Thor being ten times the strength of a normal Thor.

Many have mentioned that it is only fanboy trapping.

He's not, and there isn't any evidence stating as much. It was basically a Thor who was willing to kill not caring for who was hurt during the process. So it was really just Thor not holding back, and fighting to the fullest of his abilities.

As for Gladiator's focus not faltering, that doesn't mean he still can't be defeated. It's not as if Gladiator has unlimited power, he's just at his max with faltering or jobbing.

Thor has owned glads before. In fact Glads went into the future to improve his fighting skills came back and still got owned by Thor. I still think Glads is going to lose. Confidence helps but that doesnt mean you are still going to win....

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2ju1.jpg

Know what I mean?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
He's not, and there isn't any evidence stating as much. It was basically a Thor who was willing to kill not caring for who was hurt during the process. So it was really just Thor not holding back, and fighting to the fullest of his abilities.

As for Gladiator's focus not faltering, that doesn't mean he still can't be defeated. It's not as if Gladiator has unlimited power, he's just at his max with faltering or jobbing.

Thank you.

I've always believed that Warrior Madness Thor isn't any more powerful than Normal thor, he's just not holding back anymore.

Originally posted by Soljer
Thank you.

I've always believed that Warrior Madness Thor isn't any more powerful than Normal thor, he's just not holding back anymore.

Yeah but when you are madder you tend to be stronger. Maybe not ten times but you will still be stronger. Logic dictates that warrior madness Thor will be stronger but maybe not ten times.

Originally posted by Soljer
Thank you.

I've always believed that Warrior Madness Thor isn't any more powerful than Normal thor, he's just not holding back anymore.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but when you are madder you tend to be stronger. Maybe not ten times but you will still be stronger. Logic dictates that warrior madness Thor will be stronger but maybe not ten times.

Uhh...

No?

I don't know about you, but MY muscles don't get any larger if I'm pissed.

I need not imagine that someone just killed my dog before I get on the bench.

I'm not the Hulk, and neither is Thor. Madder doesn't mean stronger. Just means that you're less likely to hold anything back.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but when you are madder you tend to be stronger. Maybe not ten times but you will still be stronger. Logic dictates that warrior madness Thor will be stronger but maybe not ten times.

However that's a basic law for everyone, not just for Thor. He may seem stronger and unleash more power because of his rage, but that doesn't mean he's on portable steroids every time he gets angry. Potentially, anybody can accomplish the same thing when their calm as when their angry.

Originally posted by Soljer


I don't know about you, but MY muscles don't get any larger if I'm pissed.


*sigh* Of course not

I need not imagine that someone just killed my dog before I get on the bench.


Originally posted by Soljer

Madder doesn't mean stronger.

Well I dunno about that, you always hear stories about people doing great feats when they are angry. Heard of the term going beserk?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
However that's a basic law for everyone, not just for Thor.

Fine.

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh* Of course not

I need not imagine that someone just killed my dog before I get on the bench.




Well I dunno about that, you always hear stories about people doing great feats when they are angry. Heard of the term going beserk?



Fine.

You always HEAR about 'amazing feats of adrenaline' but that doesn't make them true.

The 'Old woman lifting a car off her dying child' thing is a debunked myth.

And, again, going 'berserk' is just allowing animalistic instincts to take over, and allowing the societal norms imposed upon us ebb away. We are left with sheer id, and we don't pull punches.

That's hardly the same thing as actually GETTING STRONGER.

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh* Of course not

I need not imagine that someone just killed my dog before I get on the bench.




Well I dunno about that, you always hear stories about people doing great feats when they are angry. Heard of the term going beserk?

It's called adrenaline. It increases your strength, speed, etc due to stress. It's the same principle for every being, not just Thor.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's called adrenaline. It increases your strength, speed, etc due to stress. It's the same principle for every being, not just Thor.

Also a myth. Adrenaline doesn't actually amp your strength or speed. It elevates your autonomous nervous system, frees nutrients for muscular action, constricts blood vessels in some parts of the body, while dilating those for muscular action, dilates pupils, and inhibits certain processes like the urinary and tear secretion.

Your muscular fibers are still the same density, the same length, the same level of hypertrophy.

warrior madness Thor, is stronger than normal Thor.

Iff he wasn't why the name change???

Originally posted by Soljer
Also a myth. Adrenaline doesn't actually amp your strength or speed. It elevates your autonomous nervous system, frees nutrients for muscular action, constricts blood vessels in some parts of the body, while dilating those for muscular action, dilates pupils, and inhibits certain processes like the urinary and tear secretion.

Your muscular fibers are still the same density, the same length, the same level of hypertrophy.

Well then I was wrong

Originally posted by Soljer
You always HEAR about 'amazing feats of adrenaline' but that doesn't make them true.

The 'Old woman lifting a car off her dying child' thing is a debunked myth.

Yeah thats a myth but....

Originally posted by Soljer

And, again, going 'berserk' is just allowing animalistic instincts to take over, and allowing the societal norms imposed upon us ebb away. We are left with sheer id, and we don't pull punches.

That's hardly the same thing as actually GETTING STRONGER.

Yes it is actually. When you get mad your adrenaline increases

Adrenaline

Hormone secreted by the medulla of the adrenal glands. Adrenaline is synthesized from a closely related substance, noradrenaline, and the two hormones are released into the bloodstream in situations of fear or stress.

Adrenaline's action on the liver raises blood-sugar levels by stimulating glucose production and its action on adipose tissue raises blood fatty-acid levels; it also increases the heart rate, increases blood flow to muscles, reduces blood flow to the skin with the production of sweat, widens the smaller breathing tubes


Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's called adrenaline. It increases your strength, speed, etc due to stress. It's the same principle for every being, not just Thor.

Er yeah I know. We are not disagreeing on anything you need to talk to soljer not me.

Originally posted by Soljer
Also a myth. Adrenaline doesn't actually amp your strength or speed. It elevates your autonomous nervous system, frees nutrients for muscular action, constricts blood vessels in some parts of the body, while dilating those for muscular action, dilates pupils, and inhibits certain processes like the urinary and tear secretion.

Your muscular fibers are still the same density, the same length, the same level of hypertrophy.

Aren't you assuming that your muscles hAVE to get bigger to make you stronger? Isn't increased blood flow to the muscles going to make you stronger as well?

Originally posted by Brutacus
warrior madness Thor, is stronger than normal Thor.

Iff he wasn't why the name change???



If my memory serves me right Thor was never referred to as being "Warrior Madness", I think it's just a name the fans adopted. Sort of how like the fans call the clone Thor "Clor". However even if he is called "Warrior Madness" Thor, that by no means implies that he's more powerful.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If my memory serves me right Thor was never referred to as being "Warrior Madness", I think it's just a name the fans adopted. Sort of how like the fans call the clone Thor "Clor". However even if he is called "Warrior Madness" Thor, that by no means implies that he's more powerful.

So iff he was the same why give him that name, just because he's mad and doesn't hold back???

Originally posted by Brutacus
So iff he was the same why give him that name, just because he's mad and doesn't hold back???

Why don't you read the part of the post that says the fans adopted that name, not Marvel.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why don't you read the part of the post that says the fans adopted that name, not Marvel.

I was talking about the fans, damn lighten up.
Where talking comics here

Originally posted by joesha28
Yes could be, but Thor is not a pure Asgardian. He is a hybrid by nature, a bloodson of an elder god (Ghae). It is 10x his strength. It was stated in a comic of blood and thunder, even hulk: ghost of the future.

its from http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t356004.html

Originally posted by Brutacus
I was talking about the fans, damn lighten up.
Where talking comics here

I'm not mad or anything, I just thought you read past my post. That's my bad, didn't mean to come off as an ass.

Originally posted by Brutacus
So iff he was the same why give him that name, just because he's mad and doesn't hold back???
It's mainly due to the Warrior Madness that comes over him occasionally.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm not mad or anything, I just thought you read past my post. That's my bad, didn't mean to come off as an ass.

No problem, I just thought you where getting angry,

Originally posted by Accel
It's mainly due to the Warrior Madness that comes over him occasionally.

K thanks didn't know that.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Adrenaline


Adrenaline's action on the liver raises blood-sugar levels by stimulating glucose production and its action on adipose tissue raises blood fatty-acid levels; it also increases the heart rate, increases blood flow to muscles, reduces blood flow to the skin with the production of sweat, widens the smaller breathing tubes

Aren't you assuming that your muscles hAVE to get bigger to make you stronger? Isn't increased blood flow to the muscles going to make you stronger as well?

Thanks, but I already mentioned the dilation of the blood vessels to the muscles. And no, blood vessel dilation does NOT make you stronger. It gives a better deliverance of nutrients, it will allow you better ATP usage, it will let you activate more muscular fibers simultaneously, but those things alone do not make you any stronger.

Seriously.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well... technically it was an alternate Gladiator from the future...

curious where that was shown to be the case . . .

I'll be honest here. I favor high level Superman types to Thor anyday of the week.

*fades back into shadows*

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well, you've stipulated that Glads is ultra confident and his confidence won't dip. That means if he goes into this fight believeing he can't lose, and that belief can't be shaken, then he won't lose. That's his whole deal.
He still can be defeated. Thor can simply overpower his durability. Thor traps Kallark into a forcefield, makes a hole to the forcefield and shoots him with godblast until he drops.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If my memory serves me right Thor was never referred to as being "Warrior Madness", I think it's just a name the fans adopted. Sort of how like the fans call the clone Thor "Clor". However even if he is called "Warrior Madness" Thor, that by no means implies that he's more powerful. They call him that because on panel his disease was called Warrior Madness.

I still got problem w/ some of his fans sayin he could go to these mood anytime he wants.. I still say enraged/wm are 2 diff. level up...
By the Way Thor should win this even against full confident Glads..

Originally posted by bigbran
They call him that because on panel his disease was called Warrior Madness.

I was wrong again