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I know it might seem a bit unmatched and that the fights in Uatu favour but can odin cause critical damage to Uatu enough to kill him?

I thought Odin was more powerful than Uatu.

Umm, he is... by a large amount

Thats what I thought....

Do we know that for sure? I actually thought the opposite. I thought watchers were above sky father level characters?

Skyfather? Excuse me this is Marvel talk not DC.
Well I know in the Marvel Super Heroes Role Playing Game Odin and characters like Zeus were one rank highier than Watchers. I know you have not probably played it but the RPG classifications are not far off.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Skyfather? Excuse me this is Marvel talk not DC.
Well I know in the Marvel Super Heroes Role Playing Game Odin and characters like Zeus were one rank highier than Watchers. I know you have not probably played it but the RPG classifications are not far off.

Are we really not calling characters like Zeus and Odin Sky Fathers? I have heard them reffered to as such many times on this site. And I still think Watchers are above Odin. The marvel game should mean nothing.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Are we really not calling characters like Zeus and Odin Sky Fathers? I have heard them reffered to as such many times on this site. And I still think Watchers are above Odin. The marvel game should mean nothing.

You are absolutely right watchers are above sky fathers some can say they are in the same league as the celestials and we all remember what a celestial did to the asgardians. I think this might be a close fight.

Originally posted by Supreme being
You are absolutely right watchers are above sky fathers some can say they are in the same league as the celestials and we all remember what a celestial did to the asgardians. I think this might be a close fight.

Thanks for the support. I know the watchers were being attacked by the Celestials, and the fact that they are still alive makes me believe they are pretty strong.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Are we really not calling characters like Zeus and Odin Sky Fathers? I have heard them reffered to as such many times on this site

Yeah I know I just think DC is kinda lame in comparison to Marvel so sometimes I make fun of DC, unless its The Gotham Universe.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie

The marvel game should mean nothing.

Well no it can be still used as proof the problem is most people on here have probably never heard of it. It was published by Marvel and oked by Stan Lee but its out of print now.

I just used the RPG because I dont have any source which has qauntified both The Watchers and Odin's powers. I guess The Marvel Universe Handbook has but I have not bought it yet.


Originally posted by Supreme being
You are absolutely right watchers are above sky fathers some can say they are in the same league as the celestials and we all remember what a celestial did to the asgardians. I think this might be a close fight.

As far as I know one individual celestial is as powerful as a watcher. Odin himself is more powerful than one Celestial or Watcher, but collectively they would beat Odin.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I know I just think DC is kinda lame in comparison to Marvel so sometimes I make fun of DC, unless its The Gotham Universe.



Well no it can be still used as proof the problem is most people on here have probably never heard of it. It was published by Marvel and oked by Stan Lee but its out of print now.

I just used the RPG because I dont have any source which has qauntified both The Watchers and Odin's powers. I guess The Marvel Universe Handbook has but I have not bought it yet.





hysterical Even weaker Celestials took on the combined might of Asgard aka 2000 foot Asgardian Destroyer and the combined might of the Eternals aka Uni-Mind

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/untitled-3.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/Celestials04.jpg

http://spider-bob.com/aliens_races/marvel/Celestials.htm

hey guys i have a thread for versus i run using the marvel saga rules
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=424722&perpage=20&highlight=real+vs+thread&pagenumber=4
i ran these two and it was a draw,in asgard i would give odin the advantage but this was my only true draw

Originally posted by starlock
hey guys i have a thread for versus i run using the marvel saga rules
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=424722&perpage=20&highlight=real+vs+thread&pagenumber=4
i ran these two and it was a draw,in asgard i would give odin the advantage but this was my only true draw

I dunno man I think Saga kinda sux im used to the classic one. The classic one lasted alot longer than Saga did.


http://www.classicmarvel.com/

who ever the hell Uata is Odin would kick the F out of him.

Who ever the heck Uata is Odin would kick theF out of him.

Uata- http://marvel.com/universe/Uatu_the_Watcher

A Roge Watcher who would whipp Odins and Zeuses aces

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Aron

http://www.marveldirectory.com/alienraces/watchers.htm

hmm, watchers are tough to figure. on the one-hand, uatu was stated by galactus himself to be close to him in power, but below. we have a battle between aron and uatu taking place on every conceiveable level of reality. but then we have quasar dealing with a watcher mostly on his own. ss has dealt with a watcher (though if he still had his full powers is unknown).

all that said, odin and a watcher seemed to show mutual respect. i'd guess the battle could go either waybased on showings.

Can odin really keep up?

Um

Uatu basicly = Galactus

Galactus >x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Odin

Originally posted by Grimm22
Um

Uatu basicly = Galactus

Galactus >x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Odin

Feat wise he really isn't.

Originally posted by hulk10
who ever the hell Uata is Odin would kick the F out of him.

The fact that you dont know who uatu is puts you out of this thread.

The fact that they witness Star being made and could have destroyed Galactus as a Mere Man

The Rogue Watcher took a Space Ships firey engine discharge with no effect

Watchers are supposed to be above skyfather pretty much abstract. On paper they should be higher than Odin.
but i agree with Soujaboy Odin does have more feats then the watchers.

i saw a scan once of a watcher going fist to fist with galactus...thats something odin could never do....G could easily own a celestial..another thing that odin could never do

Originally posted by golem370
The Rogue Watcher took a Space Ships firey engine discharge with no effect

This Uatu Vs Odin not Rogue Watcher vs Odin. This Rogue Watcher seems to be tougher than your average Watcher. Anyway can Uatu beat Odin if Odin can do this?

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Onslaught had little if any access to Franklin's supposed CELESTIAL level powers. To be honest I don't think he had much access to Nate's.

Even if he had all of Nate's, and say like 1% of Franklin that is still not enough to beat Odin.

And if making a star is the height of Onslaught's powers, then Odin is far beyond. Odin was destroyong and creating stars in his battle with Forsung, was consuming the whole 616 universe in The Infinity Saga and dead Odin created a solar system, just as examples.

Galactus has advantages over Celestials given that

a) the Celestials know they cannot kill him

b) Galactus consumes the stuff from which the Celestials are directly made (as stated in Marvel Saga, the Celestials are like less Avatars of Eternity).

c) The Celestials were about to exterminate the entire Watchers species but just after Exitar wiped out the head Watcher, Sue used her forcefield to blow Exitar's armor up (her invisible forcefield are directly linked to hyperspace which has some elemental connection with the Celestials).

d) by feat Galactus is below Odin...

For example, Odin has never been punked by "a part of himself", a part of himself which he can summon at will from an Abstract entity who could one shot Galactus, yet 20 years earlier he was unable to summon from Reed Richards hand.

Marvel has spent the better part of the last 40 years making 616 Galactus look like a bumbling idiot.

Originally posted by manjaro
i saw a scan once of a watcher going fist to fist with galactus...thats something odin could never do....G could easily own a celestial..another thing that odin could never do

Which Celestial could G own

Scathan, Tiamut, Arishem, Exitar or the Blue Celestial

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Galactus has advantages over Celestials given that

a) the Celestials know they cannot kill him

b) Galactus consumes the stuff from which the Celestials are directly made (as stated in Marvel Saga, the Celestials are like less Avatars of Eternity).

c) The Celestials were about to exterminate the entire Watchers species but just after Exitar wiped out the head Watcher, Sue used her forcefield to blow Exitar's armor up (her invisible forcefield are directly linked to hyperspace which has some elemental connection with the Celestials).

d) by feat Galactus is below Odin...

For example, Odin has never been punked by "a part of himself", a part of himself which he can summon at will from an Abstract entity who could one shot Galactus, yet 20 years earlier he was unable to summon from Reed Richards hand.

Marvel has spent the better part of the last 40 years making 616 Galactus look like a bumbling idiot.

Billions of Celestials> 1 Galactus

Agreed on ur last assessment and its a shame

Odin and Uatu only met once

Uatu ftw

Uatu meets Odin

http://b.imagehost.org/t/0193/Thor_v2_037_04.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0043/Thor_v2_037_05.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0353/Thor_v2_037_06.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0355/Thor_v2_037_07.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0265/Thor_v2_037_12.jpg

Odin wins.

Quasar in his own book fought a Watcher at length.

It wasn't Uatu

And to be fair to Uatu. He defeated Aron the Rogue Watcher

http://b.imagehost.org/t/0476/Thor_v2_038_03.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0749/Thor_v2_038_04.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0054/Thor_v2_038_09.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0960/Thor_v2_038_10.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0857/Thor_v2_038_21.jpg

Hmm... Threadsurrection!!

Seriously though, I don't reread Jurgens craptastic run on Thor very often, nice to the point scans however.

Uatu even shows Odin respect by calling him by one of his titles, "Omnipotent One".

good issues

Originally posted by guy222
Billions of Celestials> 1 Galactus

Agreed on ur last assessment and its a shame

Odin and Uatu only met once You said odin and uatu met only once? did they battle, if so who won? as a fan of both i have to know.

Uatu wins

Originally posted by lawest9
You said odin and uatu met only once? did they battle, if so who won? as a fan of both i have to know.

They never battled. Watcher came to watch as he knew of The Reigning

IMO, Uatu>Odin

For all who inhibit the known universe, only Galactus has the power to match my own (he left out Rulk).
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6690/silversurferthecomingoflq2.th.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/Takion_photos/Hulk4004-05.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
They never battled. Watcher came to watch as he knew of The Reigning

IMO, Uatu>Odin

what has normal Watcher ever done that is comparable to Odin's normal high end showings?

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
what has normal Watcher ever done that is comparable to Odin's normal high end showings?
A watcher has held a universe in thier purse. Something Odin could NEVER do.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
what has normal Watcher ever done that is comparable to Odin's normal high end showings?

Fought a battle that razed "across the infinite rivers of reality"

Furthermore is roughly regarded as nearly Equals of the Celestials, it toke Exitar eons to powerup to a sufficiant level of take out all the Watchers that was gathered on the very same planet.

Uatu defeated Aron

Exitar had the power to wipe out the entire Watcher race(which is over ten billion)

Are the Celestials and Watchers = . IMHO, no. They have met three times. Once when Arishem gave the thumbs-down to the Watcher leader known as The One. Another when Malestrom had the power of the Anomaly. And lastly, when the Monolith Gatherer arrived, Uatu seemed powerless

And what a battle.

And it had still toke eons for him to gather that energy

I don't think I said they where Equals guy roughly equals with the average Celestial being a bit more powerful then the Average Watcher.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/Takion_photos/Hulk4004-05.jpg


Who cares?

An 8-year-old comics reader knows more about comics than Loeb.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And what a battle.

And it had still toke eons for him to gather that energy

I don't think I said they where Equals guy roughly equals with the average Celestial being a bit more powerful then the Average Watcher.

Originally posted by fangirl101
A watcher has held a universe in thier purse. Something Odin could NEVER do.

Overrated feat. A universe is how big exactly?

Put it this way. At one point all the energy in our universe was in one point that took up "0" space.

From an external perspective, it probably still does.

Dimensionality, and therefore size, are aubsets of phyics, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Fought a battle that razed "across the infinite rivers of reality"

Furthermore is roughly regarded as nearly Equals of the Celestials, it toke Exitar eons to powerup to a sufficiant level of take out all the Watchers that was gathered on the very same planet.

It took Exitar eons to gather enough energy to eliminate billions of Watchers, not one.

Odin has had a standing still battle, arguably while weakened, that damaged the multiverse (his final battle with Seth).