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No prep, 1 on 1, the battle takes place in New York (neutral place imo).


Who wins??


btw does anyone have the scans where this guys fight in the Age of Apocalypse series?

Loki.

They didn't fight in AoA. The fought in 616. Apocalypse was actully having an upper hand, Loki then escaped.
Non-jobber Apocalypse takes this.

Originally posted by Xplosive
They didn't fight in AoA. The fought in 616. Apocalypse was actully having an upper hand, Loki then escaped.
Non-jobber Apocalypse takes this. Non jobber Loki destroys him.

Loki 10/10

Loki owns Apoc in every way.

Someone show me the "Table of DOOM!" storyline again.

Originally posted by bigbran
Non jobber Loki destroys him.

Actully, Loki was written at his best when he fought Apocalypse and he couldn't do shit. He hurt himself when he crashed into Apocalypse head, Apocalypse was just smiling.
Apocalypse takes this.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Actully, Loki was written at his best when he fought Apocalypse and he couldn't do shit. He hurt himself when he crashed into Apocalypse head, Apocalypse was just smiling.
Apocalypse takes this. Loki written at his best?
Loki written at his best has beaten quite a few super villians. Turned Thor into a frog. Beat Thor in a challenge of the gods. Fought Silver Surfer. Resserected a couple people, etc.

Just seen the rest of your post. You call that written at his best? If that is the case, he was written like absolute shit!

Originally posted by Xplosive
Actully, Loki was written at his best when he fought Apocalypse and he couldn't do shit. He hurt himself when he crashed into Apocalypse head, Apocalypse was just smiling.
Apocalypse takes this.
In which issue did that happen?

Originally posted by bigbran
Loki written at his best?
Loki written at his best has beaten quite a few super villians. Turned Thor into a frog. Beat Thor in a challenge of the gods. Fought Silver Surfer. Resserected a couple people, etc.

When did he fight SS? Any scans?

Originally posted by Tshern
When did he fight SS? Any scans?
SS v1 #4. It was in the same one where Loki powers up Surfer to fight Thor.
Scans.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p013.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p014.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p017.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p019.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p020.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p021.jpg

Loki was looking for someone to fight Thor, and he searched quite a few, and picked out Surfer. He just wanted to test his powers here.



There, I'm going to bed.

Originally posted by bigbran
There, I'm going to bed.

Thanks a lot, mate. Sleep tight.

Originally posted by bigbran
SS v1 #4. It was in the same one where Loki powers up Surfer to fight Thor.
Scans.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p013.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p014.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p017.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p019.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p020.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p021.jpg

Loki was looking for someone to fight Thor, and he searched quite a few, and picked out Surfer. He just wanted to test his powers here.



There, I'm going to bed.

lol ok dude sleep tight.

Originally posted by bigbran
Loki written at his best?

Yes, actully Loki at that time was at his best, many know that.
And also Apocalypse in that time was apparently written at his best.
Don't you remember that at that time Apocalypse even fought such as High Evolutionary (in that time someone like High Evolutionary was on higher level than Silver Surfer, so it wasn't Loki who was written absolute shit, but was at his best and if Apocalypse and Silver Surfer fought back then, Apocalypse would probaly take him down and don't you remember High Evolutionary taking Thor down), so it's no surprise he fought Loki, man, no surprise at all.

Yes, Loki was written at that time at his best.
He literally couldn't do shit.
First he couldn't fool him or deceive him (so much about God of Tricksters), then he couldn't handle him.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
In which issue did that happen?

Loki > Any mutant below Omega Level

Originally posted by JuanJohnboy
No prep, 1 on 1, the battle takes place in New York (neutral place imo).


Who wins??


btw does anyone have the scans where this guys fight in the Age of Apocalypse series? Dude, this fight was on the first page, and you still made it?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
In which issue did that happen?

X-Factor 50

Originally posted by Grimm22
Loki > Any mutant below Omega Level

Didn't prove that against Apocalypse.

Originally posted by bigbran
Non jobber Loki destroys him.

ditto.

Loki is extremely bad news.

Apoc is a cheap character. The X-writers are a joke.
As they went along, they added powers to him. And, compared to a ton of others in the MU, Apoc's ar mid-level.

As I always say, I wish the X-titles will just split off into their own universe and comic line.
Everytime an X-character or storyline crosses over with a non-X, it turns the non-X to crap. They ignore power-levels, profiles, continuity and feats, just so they can keep the X-fanboys happy, and keep sales up.
Even High Evolutionary, whom was mentioned above, has been powered down for most of his marvel history. In the beginning, he really was something serious, bordering on Skyfather with his own, home made pantheon of gods.

With the artifacts, magics, physical ability and experience that Loki has available to him, logic says that Apoc should have no chance.

And, as far as experience goes, which one would have more experience?

The guy that has been on earth as a mutant with celestial tech, and almost no opposition equal to him?

or

A God that belongs to a pantheon of combative War-Gods, living in a realm of demons, monsters, evil Gods, mystic races and races waging war on the gods from all over the universe?

Um... anybody having trouble answering this?

Originally posted by Horrificus
With the artifacts, magics, physical ability and experience that Loki has available to him, logic says that Apoc should have no chance.

No, not actully. Apocalypse powers offers him easily to stand against someone like Loki.
He has celestial tech, his phyisical abilites goes above Loki and on paper what his abilities are, they could write him as a beast and to crush someone like Loki.
That is why Loki couldn't handle him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, not actully. Apocalypse powers offers him easily to stand against someone like Loki.
He has celestial tech, his phyisical abilites goes above Loki and on paper what his abilities are, they could write him as a beast and to crush someone like Loki.
That is why Loki couldn't handle him.

The reason you are saying that, is because you seem to be stuck on the low showings of Loki.

We aren't talking about "Scampering, Hiding, Giggling" Loki, as ome of the idiot writers like to depict him.

We are talking about the loki that has h2h on a par with Thor. The Loki that is super-intelligent, in the way that has had him become a danger to Odin, Doctor Doom, Demons and Celestials.

The Loki that is able to use devastating magics and artifacts. Remember, we are utilizing Loki here, at his "Best".

Apoc is strong. He has power. He is brilliant. He has experience. He has access to SOME Celestial tech. a very small amount, otherwise there would be almost no opposition to him.

He is far from the threat that X-fans like to make him out to be. As a matter of fact, there are at least 2 dozen earthbound villains that I would put above him. Including villains from the X-titles.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He is far from the threat that X-fans like to make him out to be.

You are right about that. He should be a top threat of all on Earth hence his name.

I am not even going to touch on characters like Doctor Doom, that I KNOW would be able to somehow defeat Apoc.
In Battle, these are Villains that can defeat Apocalypse:



Graviton
Count Nefaria
Nefarius (if he is still alive)
Absorbing Man
Maelstrom
Ultron
Ultimo
The Master
Ghaur
Man Beast
Mauvais
Magus

Need I go on?

Originally posted by Horrificus
I am not even going to touch on characters like Doctor Doom, that I KNOW would be able to somehow defeat Apoc.
In Battle, these are Villains that can defeat Apocalypse:



Graviton
Count Nefaria
Nefarius (if he is still alive)
Absorbing Man
Maelstrom
Ultron
Ultimo
The Master
Ghaur
Man Beast
Mauvais
Magus

Need I go on?

And obviously Apocalypse could also defeat them.

I hope you are fooling around.

Because, some of my list are no-brainers.

Maelstrom
Ghaur
Man-Beast
Magus

you are saying he can beat these guys? Are you nuts? You need to check out their profiles and histories before making a statement like that.
These guys have been "Universal Threats", and are from right here.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I hope you are fooling around.

Because, some of my list are no-brainers.

Maelstrom
Ghaur
Man-Beast
Magus

you are saying he can beat these guys? Are you nuts? You need to check out their profiles and histories before making a statement like that.
These guys have been "Universal Threats", and are from right here.
This guy thinks Phoenix is above LT. That might explain something.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Maelstrom
Ghaur
Man-Beast
Magus


Ok, he wouldn' take those down. It is really annoying also when some like Doctor Doom, ****ing pitiful human who could get beaten in a fight literally by some street figther (without his fukcing armor) and to be such threat as he is.
There are much stronger normal humans (naturally) than he is.
And he the greatest threat of all humans, like there is only one human. Why don't they write more humans like that, to be threat like that.
I mean, world is full of them, there are surely even some humans to be probably even smarter than Doom, but they always stick with ****ing Doom.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
This guy thinks Phoenix is above LT. That might explain something.

You know, it is really bothering when you are mentioning always the same thing like parrot.
Could you please stop with that, ok.
If you don't agree you don't agree, but you really can't bring always that up, ok.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ok, he wouldn' take those down. It is really annoying also when some like Doctor Doom, ****ing pitiful human who could get beaten in a fight literally by some street figther (without his fukcing armor) and to be such threat as he is.
There are much stronger normal humans (naturally) than he is.
And he the greatest threat of all humans, like there is only one human. Why don't they write more humans like that, to be threat like that.
I mean, world is full of them, there are surely even some humans to be probably even smarter than Doom, but they always stick with ****ing Doom.
You know, it is really bothering when you are mentioning always the same thing like parrot.
Could you please stop with that, ok.
If you don't agree you don't agree, but you really can't bring always that up, ok.
But, come on! It is kind of cool that Doom's mind works in such a way that he is that dangerous.
Instead of just having a bunch of powers, Doom has to make his advantages.
It also makes the writers work harder, and actually have to come up with a story and a plan for Doom. Instead of the usual. Tell me if this sounds familiar:
Character A and character B are fighting. They are both very powerful, but B is a little more powerful. Even though, A is the more popular character, or the main character in the book.
So, during the fight, B is beating A.
Rather than come up with an actual STORY, the writers usually do this:

A is being beaten, BUT from somewhere, (deep within, a latent power, a genetic trigger or they are somehow, out of all of the universe, chosen to be the new body for a cosmic deity) they suddenly get much more powerful, and are able to beat B. No thought or strategy to it. They just pull a bunch of power out of their arses. Terrible.
With Doom, he thinks and plans his way into a "win". Very cool.

Much like the many Victories of Horrificus!

Originally posted by Xplosive
They didn't fight in AoA. The fought in 616. Apocalypse was actully having an upper hand, Loki then escaped.
Non-jobber Apocalypse takes this.

Hmm i was pretty sure that they also had a fight in AoA, but i cant find that damn issue or some scans to check that out, but from what I heard Loki throw him a magic-beam but Apocalypse managed to resist it, afterwards he trapped him for w/e reason... but I cant confirm this

Loki ftw

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, come on! It is kind of cool that Doom's mind works in such a way that he is that dangerous.

For me it isn't. Normal human to be such a threat, sometimes even on cosmic scale. You know what that mean, that if they would write more like that, to write more humans to be like Dr. Doom, and if they would work together, they could take such beings as Thanos down.
It just can't work that way.
I never liked Doom to be written like that. Mutants are said to be next step in evolution, considering what Doom is, it seems like mutants aren't even that much of ahead of Doom, and remember Dr. Strange.
All humans then could become also some magicians (some weak, some powerful), so mutants aren't even ahead of humans, if you think that way.
Dr. Doom is written just too good.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, if Doom would take Apocalypse down, of course not, but how can someone like Doom take him down. Yes, he wouldn't go toe to toe battle with Apocalypse, but still, it is just bad.
And in mind he is also not ahead of Apocalypse + consider vast Apocalypse experience.
Apocalypse is just maby written as crappiest character ever in Marvel as what he should be actully and was intended to be at the beggining.

Loki smashes Apoc 10/10

Originally posted by bigbran
SS v1 #4. It was in the same one where Loki powers up Surfer to fight Thor.
Scans.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p013.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p014.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p016.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p017.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p019.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p020.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Silver_Surfer_v1_004p021.jpg

Loki was looking for someone to fight Thor, and he searched quite a few, and picked out Surfer. He just wanted to test his powers here.



There, I'm going to bed. Loki.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Loki smashes Apoc 10/10

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers15.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers16.png

Apoc owned Loki. Curbstomp by classic Apoc. Loki beats current.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers15.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers16.png

Apoc owned Loki. Curbstomp by classic Apoc. Loki beats current. He knocked him down... when has anyone been beaten by being knocked down?

Have you even seen some of Loki's feats?
Loki stomps him...

APOC ftw easy

loki, poccy cant even deal with regular cable.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers15.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers16.png

Apoc owned Loki. Curbstomp by classic Apoc. Loki beats current.

Apoc did nothing but knock him down and ambush him with some of his celestial tech, which Loki easily broke free from. Apoc and Caliban then went on talking about how powerful Loki was, and that if they wanted to oppose him they needed to become more powerful.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
and that if they wanted to oppose him they needed to become more powerful.

He was talking about mankind, not himself or Caliban...

Apoc DOESN'T compare himself with mankind.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He was talking about mankind, not himself or Caliban...

Apoc DOESN'T compare himself with mankind.

I always thought that if you were human born than you were considered a part of man kind. Silly me.

Loki 10/10

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I always thought that if you were human born than you were considered a part of man kind. Silly me.

That's not Apoc's perspective. Remember that he's also a mutant, and he considers mutants above mankind, however, he even considers himself above mutants.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
That's not Apoc's perspective. Remember that he's also a mutant, and he considers mutants above mankind, however, he even considers himself above mutants.

Post the scans again, so everyone can judge for themselves.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers15.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers16.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/lokiapoc.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocloki.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/lokiapoclokiapoc.png

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers15.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers16.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/lokiapoc.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocloki.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/lokiapoclokiapoc.png

Loki:"Your humans will not survive long enough to challenge the gods Apocalypse. And you. So proud of your own wisdom are a fool"

Loki:"Dare to oppose me... or my plans... and you will join your human race in death."

Caliban:"He shattered the screen"

Caliban:"Master he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy US how can humanity stand against him?

Apocalypse:"Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Loki:"Dare to oppose me... or my plans... and you will join your human race in death."

Caliban:"He shattered the screen"

Caliban:"Master he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy US how can humanity stand against him?

Apocalypse:"Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutanthumans.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutantshumans2.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutantshumans3.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutantshumans4.png

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutanthumans.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutantshumans2.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutantshumans3.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/apocmutantshumans4.png

You post these irrelevant scans to lead our attention away from the fact that Caliban included himself and Apoc under the people Loki could destroy?

Caliban:"Master he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy US how can humanity stand against him?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You post these irrelevant scans to lead our attention away from the fact that Caliban included himself and Apoc under the people Loki could destroy?

Why does anything Caliban say matter? He barely was it Apoc to learn anything about him. And you are aware he's just about as smart as Rhino? He has even claimed once that he's stronger than Apoc...and that's no where near true.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Why does anything Caliban say matter? He barely was it Apoc to learn anything about him. And you are aware he's just about as smart as Rhino? He has even claimed once that he's stronger than Apoc...and that's no where near true.

Your argument yesterday was that he wasn't referring to himself and Apoc, however now your argument changes. I wonder why?

Why then did Apoc not oppose the statement? You would think that a being that considers himself a superior being , would oppose a statement made by his servant that obviously implies that hes an inferior being.

If you're taking anything Caliban says seriously, you're an idiot. Caliban is a sycophant and like Ash said, is barely smarter than Rhino. Of course Loki could beat Caliban, but not Apoc. Caliban is a coward and his intelligence actually drops later on, if that's possible. Though, after Apocalypse got through with him after his 2nd upgrade much later on, he had a good fight with Sinister.

Edit: APOCALYPSE SAID LOKI WAS A LIAR. But that he wasn't lying about the threat he posed to humanity.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you're taking anything Caliban says seriously, you're an idiot. Caliban is a sycophant and like Ash said, is barely smarter than Rhino. Of course Loki could beat Caliban, but not Apoc. Caliban is a coward and his intelligence actually drops later on, if that's possible. Though, after Apocalypse got through with him after his 2nd upgrade much later on, he had a good fight with Sinister.

Edit: APOCALYPSE SAID LOKI WAS A LIAR. But that he wasn't lying about the threat he posed to humanity.

Apoc took it seriously. Enough so that he instead of opposing the statement he made it fairly clear that they(as in humanity) needed to become more powerful. I don't no why you would have me ignore what was specifically stated on panel.

Irrelevant as were debating Loki's power, which Apoc himself stated Loki was honest about.

I love how rabid Apoc-fanboys give him EVERY benefit of EVERY doubt.

I also love how slanted they are in their interpretation of the Loki/Apoc fight.

Loki crashed into Apoc's head and fell down. Where is the 'ownage'?

What about the punishment Loki was dishing out? That doesn't count.

And nevermind the fact that Caliban ambushed Loki from behind to secure his capture, (lest we forget the ease of his escape).

Originally posted by Lord S
I love how rabid Apoc-fanboys give him EVERY benefit of EVERY doubt.

I also love how slanted they are in their interpretation of the Loki/Apoc fight.

Loki crashed into Apoc's head and fell down. Where is the 'ownage'?

What about the punishment Loki was dishing out? That doesn't count.

And nevermind the fact that Caliban ambushed Loki from behind to secure his capture, (lest we forget the ease of his escape).

Exactly

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Enough so that he instead of opposing the statement he made it fairly clear that they(as in humanity) needed to become more powerful. I don't no why you would have me ignore what was specifically stated on panel.



Going on about that again? He never referred to himself as a part of the humanity becoming stronger. That's NOT his goal.

Read the 'irrelevent' scans that I posted above. Apoc clearly states himself away from humanity, and they are from an issue written before the Apoc/Loki one.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash


Going on about that again? He never referred to himself as a part of the humanity becoming stronger. That's NOT his goal.

Read the 'irrelevent' scans that I posted above. Apoc clearly states himself away from humanity, and they are from an issue written before the Apoc/Loki one.

Why not read the scans you posted?


Caliban:"Master he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy US how can humanity stand against him?

Apocalypse:"Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"

Apoc DID not oppose the statement. In fact he agreed with him.

Why would you post the scans only to have me ignore what was portrayed? Your reaching and it's steadily getting worse.

Loki had already told Apoc, that if he dares to oppose him, he will destroy him. Caliban thought so, however, Apoc didn't, which is why he later states "Much of what he says are lies", Apoc didn't believe that Loki said he could destroy him. Caliban just did because he was scared...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Loki had already told Apoc, that if he dares to oppose him, he will destroy him. Caliban thought so, however, Apoc didn't, which is why he later states "Much of what he says are lies", Apoc didn't believe that Loki said he could destroy him. Caliban just did because he was scared...

When was it ever established what Loki was lying about or for that matter that he lied at all?

If Apoc didn't agree with Caliban's statement, then why instead of oppose it did he state with the same term that they needed to become more powerful

Originally posted by Soujaboy
When was it ever established what Loki was lying about or for that matter that he lied at all?

God of Lies and Mischief?

And if Apoc didn't believe Loki that he said that he could kill him, then he don't agree with what Caliban said.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If Apoc didn't agree with Caliban's statement, then why instead of oppose it did he state with the same term that they needed to become more powerful.

He was talking about mankind...

Originally posted by Soujaboy
When was it ever established what Loki was lying about or for that matter that he lied at all?

If Apoc didn't agree with Caliban's statement, then why instead of oppose it did he state with the same term that they needed to become more powerful

Wait wait wait. You're putting Loki's credibility above Apoc's? Loki, the god of lies and mischief? Loki, who is well known as a liar even in mythology? OF COURSE HE'S A LIAR! LOKI IS WELL KNOWN AS A LIAR AND TRICKSTER! 2nd, Apoc said right after Caliban said that, that much of what Loki says is lies. And that HUMANITY, not himself, must grow stronger. He also said that Loki's hatred towards mankind was genuine and that he is a threat to them.

Lets face it. Apocalypse makes villans that are near the power level of Loki. Apocalypse wins but i fig. he'd beat Thor too.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Lets face it. Apocalypse makes villans that are near the power level of Loki. Apocalypse wins but i fig. he'd beat Thor too.
What? wat horseman is as powerful than Loki?
Thor or Loki would beat Apocabitch

to own apocalypse all you need is a table.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
to own apocalypse all you need is a table. .
i always wanted to see that scan

Originally posted by Big Sexy
to own apocalypse all you need is a table.

chair That table was herald level with super PIS power.

Originally posted by Priest
What? wat horseman is as powerful than Loki?
Thor or Loki would beat Apocabitch

Death Wolverine.

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Originally posted by Soljer
Death Wolverine.

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scared

Originally posted by Priest
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i always wanted to see that scan

It's not that big a deal..I dont know why everyone gets so up in arms about it.

It's not like Apocalypse was knocked out by a table. He simply ducked under it.

I don't care if I'm Juggernaut level in durability, I'd still dodge something if given the opportunity.

http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

From namor respect thread

Originally posted by Soljer
It's not that big a deal..I dont know why everyone gets so up in arms about it.

It's not like Apocalypse was knocked out by a table. He simply ducked under it.

I don't care if I'm Juggernaut level in durability, I'd still dodge something if given the opportunity.

And that Namor issue was terribly written anyway...

It reminded me of something Jeph Loeb would have done...

Originally posted by Big Sexy
http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

From namor respect thread

good looks

Originally posted by Soljer
It's not that big a deal..I dont know why everyone gets so up in arms about it.

It's not like Apocalypse was knocked out by a table. He simply ducked under it.

I don't care if I'm Juggernaut level in durability, I'd still dodge something if given the opportunity. But he ran afterwards. I would have loved to right that dialog
Apocalypse -" I gotta get outta here, this mother****ers throwing tables".

Originally posted by Big Sexy
But he ran afterwards. I would have loved to right that dialog
Apocalypse -" I gotta get outta here, this mother****ers throwing tables".



I would have gotten the f*ck out of dodge if someone was throwing tables at me.

Originally posted by Priest

good looks
http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy23ei.jpg
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no problem. This is the beginning.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
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http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvspoccy35qm.jpg
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no problem This is the beginning.

i never knew Namor was so resourceful!

If this is Classic Apoc i'll assume we're using classic Loki.



Apoc gets shitstomped.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
God of Lies and Mischief?

And if Apoc didn't believe Loki that he said that he could kill him, then he don't agree with what Caliban said.



He was talking about mankind...

Which means? Thor is the god of thunder, however he doesn't appear in every comic with lightning a blazing. Just as every statement that comes out of Loki's mouth isn't a lie.

Apoc never opposed the statement, and it was your interpretation that lead you to believe that Apoc said Loki lied about being able to kill him, not the comic. The comic never established what Loki lied about or if he lied at all.

And himself, which is the reason the word "us" was used.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait wait wait. You're putting Loki's credibility above Apoc's? Loki, the god of lies and mischief? Loki, who is well known as a liar even in mythology? OF COURSE HE'S A LIAR! LOKI IS WELL KNOWN AS A LIAR AND TRICKSTER! 2nd, Apoc said right after Caliban said that, that much of what Loki says is lies. And that HUMANITY, not himself, must grow stronger. He also said that Loki's hatred towards mankind was genuine and that he is a threat to them.

Yet Apoc's the being who constantly talks about being the strongest yet can't make a plan to defeat the X Men.

Being the god of mischief doesn't mean every word that comes out your mouth is a lie.

When did Apoc say that not himself but mankind must grow? Such was never stated on the panels you posted.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
If this is Classic Apoc i'll assume we're using classic Loki.



Apoc gets shitstomped.

Loki wins......without problem......10/10

Originally posted by Big Sexy
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no problem. This is the beginning. According to Evil Ash, or some other fanboy...
Classc Apoc is the one with the big A on his chest, so that means that, that was also Classic Apoc!

Originally posted by bigbran
According to Evil Ash, or some other fanboy...
Classc Apoc is the one with the big A on his chest, so that means that, that was also Classic Apoc!

Space_Mummy said something like that.


I've never claimed it, Mr. Apoc-takes-the-majority-against-Thanos. durfist

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Space_Mummy said something like that.


I've never claimed it, Mr. Apoc-takes-the-majority-against-Thanos. durfist

yet...

Loki is above Surfer. So to say Surfer > Apoc is a stretch, since he's classified sub-herald. Someone should do that thread.

I give it to Loki

Originally posted by Ethereal
Loki is above Surfer.

Didn't Surfer overpower Loki?

Originally posted by Ethereal
Loki is above Surfer. So to say Surfer > Apoc is a stretch, since he's classified sub-herald. Someone should do that thread.

I give it to Loki

Surfer is more powerful than Loki for the most part. However Loki's keen mind and vast magical abilities could garner him a few wins.

Surfer is way more powerful than Apoc. I doubt Apoc is even touching herald lv let alone a herald as powerful as Surfer.

Loki wins

bump

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Surfer is more powerful than Loki for the most part. However Loki's keen mind and vast magical abilities could garner him a few wins.

Surfer is way more powerful than Apoc. I doubt Apoc is even touching herald lv let alone a herald as powerful as Surfer.

Loki wins

You can tell whatever you want, but Loki couldn't handle Apocalypse.

This really depends on how long their prep time is.

Apocalypse wins imo.

Originally posted by Xplosive
You can tell whatever you want, but Loki couldn't handle Apocalypse.

The interpretation of a fanboy.

APOCALYPSE:


LOKI:


Apocalypse for the win.

Loki mops the floor with apoc.

Originally posted by jasonk3
Loki mops the floor with apoc.

That sounds about right.

Originally posted by His Airness
That sounds about right.

Yup.

none jobbing Apoc wins get over it people.

Originally posted by Mider999
none jobbing Apoc wins get over it people.

Nope.

Originally posted by His Airness
Nope.

I agree.

Originally posted by His Airness
Nope.

You're suppose to make a sarcastic comment.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
You're suppose to make a sarcastic comment.

Nope.

Originally posted by jasonk3
I agree.

you can say nope all you want till your eyes fall out but it dont make what you say true now get over it and act your age

Originally posted by Mider999
you can say nope all you want till your eyes fall out but it dont make what you say true now get over it and act your age

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and come to terms with the fact the Apoc loses.

Okay let's break it down:

1.) Apocalypse has unlimited strength and shape-shifting abilities and draws unlimited energy from outside sources for a variety of effects and is virtually indestructable.

2.) Loki has a strength level in the Class 30 range, possesses moderate superhuman endurance, stamina and resistance to injury no different than the average FF villain, and he sports a handful of magical spells and curses. Oh, and he talks funny.

Apocalypse CLEARLY for the win. Give it up, kiddies.

We don't use bios from websites of characters to determine who wins.

In fact, we don't use bios at all because they are usually bullshit.

I see.

What DO you judge it by? Tick tac toe battles? Rock/paper/scissors?

What?

Originally posted by MRasheed
I see.

What DO you judge it by? Tick tac toe battles? Rock/paper/scissors?

What?

We use comicbooks. It's a facintaing way to look at . . . well comicbook characters.

Ah.

Well in that case, based on what powers the characters show in the comics:

Okay let's break it down:

1.) Apocalypse has unlimited strength and shape-shifting abilities and draws unlimited energy from outside sources for a variety of effects and is virtually indestructable.

2.) Loki has a strength level in the Class 30 range, possesses moderate superhuman endurance, stamina and resistance to injury no different than the average FF villain, and he sports a handful of magical spells and curses. Oh, and he talks funny.

Apocalypse CLEARLY for the win. Give it up, kiddies.

Apocalypse has NEVER displayed the ability to draw energy from outside sources...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Apocalypse has NEVER displayed the ability to draw energy from outside sources...

I thought that's where Apocalypse gets his strength from? He draws energy from some unlimited source.

Originally posted by llagrok
I thought that's where Apocalypse gets his strength from? He draws energy from some unlimited source.

Thats a power usually reserved for Hulk or Juggernaut or cosmics. Otherwise a character just has an immense well of energy to draw on when fighting.

Apocalypse has ALWAYS displayed the ability to draw energy from outside sources. That's how his powers have worked from the beginning, even from his old walt/louise simonson X-factor/ Fall of the Mutants days.

what are you 15???

Originally posted by llagrok
I thought that's where Apocalypse gets his strength from? He draws energy from some unlimited source.

No that's through molecular control.

I posted about Apocalypse and his strength here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442042_12-the-apocalypse-respect-thread#post8863021

"...your invulnerability, are nothing compared to the power Apocalypse can summon!"

"Summon?" Hello. If the energy came from within himself, why would he have to "summon" it?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
No that's through molecular control.

I posted about Apocalypse and his strength here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442042_12-the-apocalypse-respect-thread#post8863021

Makes sense.

P.S How come Apocalypse didn't crush Harpoon's skull during the Mutant Massacre? Harpoon has no enhanced stamina or anything, his face should've been crushed.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Apocalypse has ALWAYS displayed the ability to draw energy from outside sources. That's how his powers have worked from the beginning, even from his old walt/louise simonson X-factor/ Fall of the Mutants days.

And you have on panel proof of this?

I have all those comics, and he never displayed the ability to draw energy from outside sources anywhere in those comics...

Originally posted by MRasheed
what are you 15???

16.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Ah.

Well in that case, based on what powers the characters show in the comics:

Okay let's break it down:

1.) Apocalypse has unlimited strength and shape-shifting abilities and draws unlimited energy from outside sources for a variety of effects and is virtually indestructable.

2.) Loki has a strength level in the Class 30 range, possesses moderate superhuman endurance, stamina and resistance to injury no different than the average FF villain, and he sports a handful of magical spells and curses. Oh, and he talks funny.

Apocalypse CLEARLY for the win. Give it up, kiddies.

My guess is you don't read comics...

omg, they're ALL crazy...

Wow...

Well, personally, I give it to Loki 6-7/10. Loki is a powerful sorcerer in his own right and that's the only edge he has over Apocalypse. Physically Apoc would crush Loki, but that's not Loki's game anyway.

As a side note, whether or not it's stated on panel that Apocalypse draws energy from external sources or internally is really of no consequence. There's been no limit shown for the energy he can output. It's a non-point. It doesn't demote his abilities in the slightest.

Originally posted by MRasheed
omg, they're ALL crazy...

raise_eyebrow

Perhaps you shouldn't be here...

Originally posted by illadelph12


Well, personally, I give it to Loki 6-7/10. Loki is a powerful sorcerer in his own right and that's the only edge he has over Apocalypse. Physically Apoc would crush Loki, but that's not Loki's game anyway.


yes, but Apocalypse is also a millennia old super-schemer...

...who will crush your head if you get too close. Apocalypse can also stay in the shadows and manipulate people while laughing maniacally. But he doesn't have any problem with the scrap either. I think his vast power and super-technological knowledge removes the 'edge' Loki's magic may give him, leaving the battlefield with two super smart, super schemers with one over-powering the other.

Apocalypse for the win.

Loki and Apocalypse's fight proves one thing. Celestial tech can stop magic. Which gives Apoc the edge. Hell, Apocalypse dominated Loki throughout their fight, and there's no proof Loki can resist TP/TK.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Loki and Apocalypse's fight proves one thing. Celestial tech can stop magic. Which gives Apoc the edge. Hell, Apocalypse dominated Loki throughout their fight, and there's no proof Loki can resist TP/TK.

Wow, you possess a deluded and twisted interpretation of the comic

Apoc ambushed Loki and was still only to briefly stop him. That doesn't equate to stopping magic, especially considering Loki casually released himself from the tech.

Hop of Apoc's sack for a moment an reread the comic. The only thing Apoc accomplished is knocking Loki down and ambushing him with tech. The use of the tech alone is a obvious indication that Apoc felt he wasn't powerful enough to deal with Loki himself. That and Caliban basically told us all that Loki was more powerful than them both.

Loki ftw

and you'd trust Caliban's observation, right after Apocalypse corrected him and said Loki was a liar? Not to mention that Loki fled from that fight cause he knew he couldn't win?

Originally posted by His Airness
The use of the tech alone is a obvious indication that Apoc felt he wasn't powerful enough to deal with Loki himself. That and Caliban basically told us all that Loki was more powerful than them both.

Loki ftw

Soujaboy is that you?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
and you'd trust Caliban's observation, right after Apocalypse corrected him and said Loki was a liar? Not to mention that Loki fled from that fight cause he knew he couldn't win?

More twisted interpretations.

He don't correct Caliban's analysis at all. In fact he agreed with the assessment that "their kind" must become stronger to oppose the gods.

Loki:"Your humans will not survive long enough to challenge the gods Apocalypse. And you. So proud of your own wisdom are a fool"

Loki:"Dare to oppose me... or my plans... and you will join your human race in death."

Caliban:"He shattered the screen"

Caliban:"Master he is powerful... and a god. If he chooses to destroy US how can humanity stand against him?

Apoc: "Much of what he says are lies but his hostility towards mankind is genuine.

Apoc: "And he is not alone in his hatred of our kind"

Apoc: "Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"


Loki fled the fight because he was tired of the discussion.

Uh, I'm historically one of the more reading comprehension proficient members of the board and it's obvious that Apocalypse was not speaking of himself in that context, Airness. He was speaking on how humanity needs to progress and he has always spoken as himself being the stimuli to bring about this growth.

Respectfully, I don't agree with your assessment of the context and meaning of the dialog.

Originally posted by His Airness
More twisted interpretations.

He don't correct Caliban's analysis at all. In fact he agreed with the assessment that "their kind" must become stronger to oppose the gods.


Nooo.... He said they must become stronger to oppose the other (UN-revealed) foes who also hate them. Apocalypse DID NOT say that they were all gods:


Originally posted by His Airness Apoc: "Much of what he says are lies but his hostility towards mankind is genuine.

Apoc: "And he is not alone in his hatred of our kind"

Apoc: "Humanity must grow strong and quickly Caliban"



Stop it with the twisted interpretations, you.

Caliban was just scared of Loki because Loki threaten Apocalypse that he would join the human race in it's destruction if he would dare to oppose him, Caliban (Who is a significantly weaker being than Apocalypse) believed so. But Apocalypse responded back, correcting him by stating that what Loki says are lies, in other words, Apocalypse did not believe Loki could destroy him, however, he did believe that Loki is a threat to humanity.

Strange that if Apocalypse wouldn't be powerful enough to fight Loki, why was he saying that he would oppose Loki whenever he could in other panels? Not to mention that he actually compared himself to Loki in this scene:

Apocalypse: "No wonder the humans have ceased to worship you, Loki! How little you understand the human heart! Humans are not immortal...and have little enough time to accomplish their own goals. Humans are not the weaklings you take them for. Each, be he hero or villain, is dying from the day he is born. Each breath...each effort...is an act of courage against inevitable doom...such courage we immortals only dream of".

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t147419_XFactor503.jpg

Originally posted by illadelph12
Uh, I'm historically one of the more reading comprehension proficient members of the board and it's obvious that Apocalypse was not speaking of himself in that context, Airness. He was speaking on how humanity needs to progress and he has always spoken as himself being the stimuli to bring about this growth.

Respectfully, I don't agree with your assessment of the context and meaning of the dialog.

Fair enough, but I also don't believe Apoc was "dominating" Loki to the point where he was running scared. In fact I don't believe Apoc had the upper hand at all.

bump

Originally posted by His Airness
bump

Stop impersonating Bran. 313

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Stop impersonating Bran. 313

ok

defo apoc loki got embarrased by apoc

So anyway... Loki wins...

Yet another old thread that didn't need any bumping...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So anyway... Loki wins...
As I recall, Loki had a hard time breaking free from Apocalypse's one-handed grip during their encounter.

regardless loki would cream his piehole in a fight

Originally posted by quanchi112
regardless loki would cream his piehole in a fight

More like he'd cream Apocalypse's *******.

Originally posted by quanchi112
regardless loki would cream his piehole in a fight

So I guess that means Apocalypse's triumph over Loki in that one encounter doesn't count?

Apocalypse and Loki did face each other.
No one actually won, but Apocalypse was better in that fight.
Loki escaped in the end, probably because he saw he won't achieve anything with that fight, nor convince Apocalypse in any way or to win the fight, to defeat Apocalypse.

Apocalypse wasn't scared of his words at all, it was Caliban who was, Apocalypse didn't even take him seriously, since he said that many what he had said were lies, except his hatred towards human kind.

Those who say Loki would murder, would own him, such as batdude123, I don't know where do you get that from, as you could see by yourself that Loki couldn't do that, right?

As of lately, I would chose Loki to win, but if Apocalypse would win against him now, that wouldn't surprise.
Only surprise would be that they would chose to write him good again after some time.

But after the first fight and how the fight went, I don't know, batdude123, why can't you think that Apocalypse could win, you are not giving him even a chance, I don't know why.
Why, after you know how the first fight went?

Would you be really surprised if Apocalypse would win?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
So I guess that means Apocalypse's triumph over Loki in that one encounter doesn't count? When taking into account Loki's shitty depiction, not particularly. Loki hits his head and falls down despite that he's among other things had his head chopped off completely before and just put it back on no real harm done.