Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Ah...I see you've managed to skip responding to all my previous statements, and post an off topic question(to detract from being confronted with - things that were difficult for you to accept or acknowledge no doubt).
Not really...I will confront them in due time, I have been overloaded with school, other debates, and personal life right now.
Sorry if you feel that you spent so much time on a response to me and that I ripped you off by ignoring it. That is not the case.
I feel much of what you wrote is a repetition of what you had said before, and that this argument will only go in circles. That is why I avoided an answer beforehand, but I promise you I will respond to all posts you made as accurately and completely as I can soon.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Now to directly answer your question - I believe that a loving person(one filled with the holy spirit), can indeed find redeemable qualities in just about anyone or anything(if such a thing possesses such qualities) However - this type of person, being filled with this holy spirit - is also capable of recognizing truth.
I understand this already. You have stated this numerous times, but I do not buy it. Can you prove to me that a true Christian sees absolute truth and beauty, while all other perspectives are false ?
Or would that require I become "born again". I do not buy this whole "born again" bullshit, because Evangelics by and large are some of the most popular and common hypocrits to date. Ted Haggard, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, George Bush and the like impress me not.
I was Christian myself for 18 years, so I am not ignorant of the religion in any way,shape, or form.
I worshipped God for 18 years of my life, prayed every night, closed my mind to anything that didn't fit in with my little Biblical philosophy until I WOKE UP and realized what a lie of a life I've been having.
I wasted 18 years with that false Faith, but atleast I learned in the end.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
With this truth, one is able to understand the differences between loving and unloving behaviour. Thus, this type of individual(like the God they worship) cannot to see such unloving behaviour passed off as beauty, acceptable, or truthful(all of which make up true love..not the worldly imitation of it - mind you).
Really ?
What are the differences? Anything that goes against the Bible is hate, while anything that follows the Bible is love ?
Once agian.....I don't buy it...
The Bible is filled with both Love and Hate in my eyes. Condeming homosexuals to death and placing women as second class is hardly loving in my perspective, as well as in the perspectives of many others.
Jesus Christ was a great man. St. Paul was not. St. Paul taught more hatred and intolerance than any other writer, and he certainly knew how to condemn, condemn, condemn, and reverse a lot of what Christ said.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
So yes, a loving Christian(like their lord and saviour - Jesus Christ) can indeed find beauty in even the most abysmal things(as abysmal as they might be themselves to Christ at times) However, empowered by the holy spirit(graciously given to them by Christ) they understand the difference between either the true "beauty", or the true beast emerging before them.
Ask yourself what beauty and beast exists with Christianity as a whole ? I see much beauty beast within the Bible and throughout Christianity's history.
Violence, Intolerance, Hate, and closed mindedness are NOT BEAUTY..those are the REAL BEASTS, and Christianity is GUILTY of having possessed these beastly attributes throughout its history, even until today.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Does thou understand where I'm going with this Urizen?
I understand, but I do not agree
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Perhaps not - so let me extrapolate...
This is so cute ! I love how you insult me with the most innocent of techniques ! Big ups big ups
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
True beauty is not in the eye of the beholder - but is only demonstrated by those who are beholden to it.
See...this is the claim you always make but can never truly back up. That only devout Christians recognize beauty, that only Christians know real Love, that only Christians know the Truth...
Even though their are aspects of reality that contradict everything Christianity tries to push, you still insist on the claim that Christianity reveals truth, while all else, all other perspectives including my own, are evil lies.
That is a big claim to make...can you please back it up ?
And please...no biblical quotes. Trying to prove the validity of the Bible by using the Bible itself is like me saying, " I am right, because I say I am right"
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Good day to you Urizen. God bless.
I don't know if this is sincere or not, but Thanks. I know this is usually meant as a complimentary "good bye" in your religion, so I appreciate it and just say "God Bless you too"