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Rules:
ONLY PUNCHING IS ALLOWED
NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED; ARMOR IS ALLOWED
FIGHT UNTIL ONE PERSON IS KNOCKED OUT
SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED (i.e., flying, mind control, turning intangible, etc.)

Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom

Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast

STATE BRIEFLY WHY YOU PICKED YOUR CHOICES.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Rules:
ONLY PUNCHING IS ALLOWED
NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED; ARMOR IS ALLOWED
FIGHT UNTIL ONE PERSON IS KNOCKED OUT
SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED (i.e., flying, mind control, turning intangible, etc.)

Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom

Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast Shazam powered Captain Marvel wins hands down.

Namor.

Luke Cage. (didn't see him at first)

Depends whether the speed is the same or not.

For instance does IM still get to burst forward at .04 seconds?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Depends whether the speed is the same or not.

For instance does IM still get to burst forward at .04 seconds? Namor.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Depends whether the speed is the same or not.

For instance does IM still get to burst forward at .04 seconds?

Speed is allowed as it is an attribute (like strength and durability) and not special ability.

Luke Cage
- Has enough fighting skill and durability to beat the rest of the street levelers, and has enough power to beat Spider-Man (in a boxing match).

She Hulk
- Already beat Champion in a boxing match, she cant beat all of them in a fight but in a boxing match I think she can take all of them.

Silver Surfer
- Granite chin, fast, and has KO power Surfer would adapt to boxing rules quickly and take any of the HW's out.

guys, it may help you can state a brief reason next to your picks so others can debate.

Why not put Juggy

Silver Surfer
Wonder Man
Luke Cage

Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Why not put Juggy

He can't be knocked out. Sorry, I really wanted to put him in as he's one of my favorites as well.

Originally posted by masterbruce
guys, it may help you can state a brief reason next to your picks so others can debate. Ok:
Shazam/Captain Marvel, because, he is a skyfather, plus he was already on Superman's level before the upgrade, now he is just a beast.
Even fighting Spectre (although weaker Spectre was, still very impressive).

Namor, because, he has fought with Hulk in h2h, and even koed him under the water. He didn't blind him, he just exchanged puches, and bam!

Luke Cage, because these people aren't really going to hurt him, and he has Spiderman like strength.

So do they just stand there and get punched, like in The Chocolate War or something?

Or do they actually move around?

Because, say, for the lightweight belt, Luke Cage has the best cobination of strength and durability. But if you let them dodge the punches like real boxing, Luke would be moving in slow motion to Spider-Man. Even minus special powers, Luke would never touch Pete just based on reflexes.

So that plays a huge part. Same reason Superman would rock the heavyweight division....good strength/durability, but also at least as fast or faster than anyone else that he'll be facing.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So do they just stand there and get punched, like in The Chocolate War or something?

Or do they actually move around?

Because, say, for the lightweight belt, Luke Cage has the best cobination of strength and durability. But if you let them dodge the punches like real boxing, Luke would be moving in slow motion to Spider-Man. Even minus special powers, Luke would never touch Pete just based on reflexes.

So that plays a huge part. Same reason Superman would rock the heavyweight division....good strength/durability, but also at least as fast or faster than anyone else that he'll be facing.

Good question Digi. They are DEFINITELY ALLOWED to move around. All their attributes (DURABILITY, SPEED, FIGHTING ABILITY) are to be taken into consideration. This is NOT just about who is strongest.

Hulk, hitting him is only gonna piss him off and make him stronger, Best bet for anyone is to take a dive.

Colossus, I would say he has the best strenght, agility and durability combonation in the group, others have him beat but not in the overall.

Sabertooth/Spiderman, can't decide past these two but, honestly I may be biest to Spiderman being that he is my overall favorite.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

So that plays a huge part. Same reason Superman would rock the heavyweight division....good strength/durability, but also at least as fast or faster than anyone else that he'll be facing. Captain Marvel was already in his league, add in the power of a whole bunch of magic users, and make him powerful enough to take on Spectre... ya, he dominates everyone.

Originally posted by Entity
Hulk, hitting him is only gonna piss him off and make him stronger, Best bet for anyone is to take a dive.
This like a Great Dane comment, dumbed down, then add in grammar skills.

Ya, profiled.

Originally posted by bigbran
Captain Marvel was already in his league, add in the power of a whole bunch of magic users, and make him powerful enough to take on Spectre... ya, he dominates everyone.

Current maybe. And that Spectre thing was a one-shot deal from Day of Reckoning with the help of tons of other magic-people, if I'm not mistaken.

But classic was always a rung below Supes in terms of strength....it was only because of his magic that he usually stalemated Supes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Rules:
ONLY PUNCHING IS ALLOWED
NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED; ARMOR IS ALLOWED
FIGHT UNTIL ONE PERSON IS KNOCKED OUT
SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED (i.e., flying, mind control, turning intangible, etc.)

Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom

Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast

STATE BRIEFLY WHY YOU PICKED YOUR CHOICES.

Superman wins..... who is better than superman at punching the shit out of people

--- Shazam = CM?

Wonder Man wins....... other don't come close maybe namor can put somewhat of a fight.

Wolverine......no joke kids make big kids look small

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Current maybe. And that Spectre thing was a one-shot deal from Day of Reckoning with the help of tons of other magic-people, if I'm not mistaken.

But classic was always a rung below Supes in terms of strength....it was only because of his magic that he usually stalemated Supes. He said Shazam...
I thought it was Day of Vengence.
Also he still has Shazam's power, and I don't know if he still has the power that he had in that arc.

I always thought of them as equal, until Marvel used magic.

Plus since he is skyfather level. How bad would he demolish Superman/everyone here?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Current maybe. And that Spectre thing was a one-shot deal from Day of Reckoning with the help of tons of other magic-people, if I'm not mistaken.

But classic was always a rung below Supes in terms of strength....it was only because of his magic that he usually stalemated Supes.

They were constantly depicted as equals in strength. .

Originally posted by masterbruce
Rules:
ONLY PUNCHING IS ALLOWED
NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED; ARMOR IS ALLOWED
FIGHT UNTIL ONE PERSON IS KNOCKED OUT
SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED (i.e., flying, mind control, turning intangible, etc.)

Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom

Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast

STATE BRIEFLY WHY YOU PICKED YOUR CHOICES.

When you say no other powers, do you also mean things like reaction speed/reflexes and whatnot? I think that's pretty important.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When you say no other powers, do you also mean things like reaction speed/reflexes and whatnot? I think that's pretty important.

reaction speed/reflexes are ALLOWED. they are attributes. i.e. spidersense is allowed.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Luke Cage
- Has enough fighting skill and durability to beat the rest of the street levelers, and has enough power to beat Spider-Man (in a boxing match).

She Hulk
- Already beat Champion in a boxing match, she cant beat all of them in a fight but in a boxing match I think she can take all of them.

Silver Surfer
- Granite chin, fast, and has KO power Surfer would adapt to boxing rules quickly and take any of the HW's out.


You read my mind - I'll buy that for a dollar

Silver Surfer has been known to draw on cosmic power to increase his physical strength. Is this aloud?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Silver Surfer has been known to draw on cosmic power to increase his physical strength. Is this aloud?

If he has done this on more than 2 occasions, then yes.

ALL PASSIVE SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE ALLOWED (ie healing factor, spidersense, etc)

Originally posted by masterbruce
reaction speed/reflexes are ALLOWED. they are attributes. i.e. spidersense is allowed.
Then Surfer beats everyone.

What Thor is this?

Originally posted by King Kandy
What Thor is this?

Classic Thor.

Originally posted by masterbruce
If he has done this on more than 2 occasions, then yes.

ALL PASSIVE SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE ALLOWED (ie healing factor, spidersense, etc)

Isn't that kinda unfair? Does everyone else get to up their powers?

Originally posted by masterbruce
reaction speed/reflexes are ALLOWED. they are attributes. i.e. spidersense is allowed.

Alrighty then.

Rules:
ONLY PUNCHING IS ALLOWED
NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED; ARMOR IS ALLOWED
FIGHT UNTIL ONE PERSON IS KNOCKED OUT
SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED (i.e., flying, mind control, turning intangible, etc.)

Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt: This is a tough one. I want to say either Shazzam, Thor, or Silver Surfer. Probably Surfer though.
1. Surfer
2. Shazzam
3. Thor

Middle Weight Belt: Hm...this is a boxing match. Which means, hm...either Colossus, Namor, Wonder Man, or She-Hulk. I can't decide between those four. I may have to break it down further...
1. Wonder Man
2. Namor
3. Colossus
4. She-Hulk

Light Weight Belt:
1. Spider-Man wins this match. (Go ahead, call me a fanboy if you like, but he's the only one here who can avoid all the others' punches all day and then proceed to lay them all out with his own).

2. Probably Luke Cage. Just for sheer durability and strength.

3. Sabretooth. Healing factor. Cage is above him because of his unbreakable skin.

hercules venom wolvie

Originally posted by masterbruce
Classic Thor.
Then he loses automatically. If he can't beat his opponent in under 60 seconds, then he reverts.

Why is there no middle or lightweights from DC?

Originally posted by Juntai
Why is there no middle or lightweights from DC?

I'm not very familiar with DC characters unfortunately.

her ven wol

I don't read DC.
Is Wonder Woman really that strong?? Give me an example please.

Lightweight
1. spiderman "hands can't catch what the eyes cant see, he'd float like a butterfly and sting like a bee."
2.Wolverine- he's on tough SOB
3.Luke Cage- packs a powerful punch

Midleweight:
1.Wonderman-outclasses everyone
2.she-hulk- too strong for almost anyone else
3Venom- a great match of power and speed

Heavyweight:
1. Superman- I can't go against the man of steel on this one.
2. Hulk- they won't like him when he's angry
3. Thor- packs a powerful punch

venom can beat she hulk and ww

yeah right they each grab a limb and rip him in half

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
yeah right they each grab a limb and rip him in half



She hulk? Maybe.

Wonder Woman? **** no.

Not that it matters - Wonder Woman isn't in Venom's 'weight class' in this thread.

She hulk is, though .

Originally posted by masterbruce
Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom

Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast

Heavy weight:

1. Shazam
2. Supes
3. Thor

Middle weight:

1. Namor
2. Colossus
3. She-Hulk/Wonder Man

Light weight:

1. Spidey
2. Cage
3. Cap

Assuming you mean Classic Captain Marvel SHAZAM, then...
Heavy:
1. Silver Surfer
2. Captain Marvel
3. Superman
Middle:
1. Namor
2. Colossus
3. Wonderman
Light:
1. Spiderman
2. Cage
3. Captain America

Why isn't Thing on anyone's lists? Isn't he as durable as a hell? and a ferocious fighter as well?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Why isn't Thing on anyone's lists? Isn't he as durable as a hell? and a ferocious fighter as well?

Thing's a joke compared to the likes of Namor and Colossus.

Originally posted by Soljer
Thing's a joke compared to the likes of Namor and Colossus.

really? Isn't he just as strong, or if not only slightly weaker? And he's pure frickin rock, unlike Namor or Colossus.

Originally posted by masterbruce
really? Isn't he just as strong, or if not only slightly weaker? And he's pure frickin rock, unlike Namor or Colossus.

Colossus is pure organic steel, of a quality that is far superior to thing's 'rock'.

Not to mention the fact that both Colossus and Namor have shown strength feats that GREATLY surpass Ben's.

Not to mention Namor's insane SPEED feats.

And hell, even Colossus has a mild degree of superhuman speed in his armored form, unlike the lunky ben.

Originally posted by Soljer
Colossus is pure organic steel, of a quality that is far superior to thing's 'rock'.

Not to mention the fact that both Colossus and Namor have shown strength feats that GREATLY surpass Ben's.

Not to mention Namor's insane SPEED feats.

And hell, even Colossus has a mild degree of superhuman speed in his armored form, unlike the lunky ben.

Maybe, but aside from Colossus, I think Thing is the most durable out there. I've seen him thrown in lava without even any damage, no way Namor or anyone not Colossus can withstand that.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer 1st. Shazam
2nd. Superman
3rd. Hulk

Originally posted by masterbruce
Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom 1st. Namor
2nd. Wonderman
3rd. Colossus

Originally posted by masterbruce
Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast 1st. Luke Cage
2nd. Beast
3rd. Wolverine shifty

Originally posted by masterbruce
Rules:
ONLY PUNCHING IS ALLOWED
NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED; ARMOR IS ALLOWED
FIGHT UNTIL ONE PERSON IS KNOCKED OUT
SPECIAL ABILITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED (i.e., flying, mind control, turning intangible, etc.)

Who would win 1st, 2nd and 3rd place from each division?

Heavy Weight Belt:

Thor
Hercules
Hulk
Superman
Wonder Woman
Shazam
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

Middle Weight Belt:

Thing
Colossus
Iron Man
Namor
She-hulk
Wonder Man
Rhino
Venom

Light Weight Belt:

Spiderman
Captain America (no shield)
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Green Goblin
Black Panther
Sabretooth
Beast

STATE BRIEFLY WHY YOU PICKED YOUR CHOICES.

Here are my picks:

Heavyweight
1. Surfer (fastest + strongest)
2. Superman (great speed, strength, durability)
3. Hulk (fighting with fists is what he does best, plus only gets stronger)

Middle Weight:
1. Thing (tuff as a rock, biggest heart)
2. Colossus (tuff as steel, yeah thats it)
3. Namor (good all around)

Lightweight:
1. Spiderman (master of dodging)
2. Sabretooth (big guy means long reach, also ferocious as hell)
3. Wolverine (would refuse to lose. period)

Originally posted by masterbruce
Middle Weight:
1. Thing (tuff as a rock, biggest heart)
2. Colossus (tuff as steel, yeah thats it)
3. Namor (good all around) Namor would pummel those 2.... He has pwned the Hulk on a few occasions

Originally posted by Galan777
Namor would pummel those 2.... He has pwned the Hulk on a few occasions

Could Namor TKO Thing though? THing could pretty much shrug off anything.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Here are my picks:

Heavyweight
1. Surfer (fastest + strongest)
2. Superman (great speed, strength, durability)
3. Hulk (fighting with fists is what he does best, plus only gets stronger)

Middle Weight:
1. Thing (tuff as a rock, biggest heart)
2. Colossus (tuff as steel, yeah thats it)
3. Namor (good all around)

Lightweight:
1. Spiderman (master of dodging)
2. Sabretooth (big guy means long reach, also ferocious as hell)
3. Wolverine (would refuse to lose. period)

Hulk gets pummeled by Namor on the majority of meetings.
Thing and Colossus should be well up there, but are KMCs b*tches.
I wouldn't call them lightweights as all 3 hang with pretty tough opponents.

Yes, Namor would most likely take the majority over Thing.

Originally posted by Ichigo66666
Hulk gets pummeled by Namor on the majority of meetings.
Thing and Colossus should be well up there, but are KMCs b*tches.
I wouldn't call them lightweights as all 3 hang with pretty tough opponents.

Yes, Namor would most likely take the majority over Thing.

Namor would definitely take a healthy majority over Thing. As would Colossus. And arguably Wonderman.

Hence why most people put those three above Mr. Grimm.

Originally posted by Soljer
Namor would definitely take a healthy majority over Thing. As would Colossus. And arguably Wonderman.

Hence why most people put those three above Mr. Grimm.

what could they do to Thing? I've seen him shrug of molten lava like water.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Maybe, but aside from Colossus, I think Thing is the most durable out there. I've seen him thrown in lava without even any damage, no way Namor or anyone not Colossus can withstand that.

Huh? Colossus could chill all day in lava if he wanted to.

Unlike Ben, Colossus doesn't need to breathe, eat, nor drink. He also has superhuman endurance and a mild form of superhuman speed.

Colossus' fighting skills >>> Thing's.
Colossus's durability>>>>Thing's.

Colossus is one of THE MOST durable characters in comics.

Namor could probably chill in lava all day, too. I'll let DarkCrawler handle that. But really, you're severely overrating Ben here.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Could Namor TKO Thing though? THing could pretty much shrug off anything.

Namor can definitely KO thing. He's KOed the Hulk and other super-strong, super durable opponents before.

Originally posted by Soljer
Namor would definitely take a healthy majority over Thing. As would Colossus. And arguably Wonderman.

Hence why most people put those three above Mr. Grimm.

Yep.

Namor pretty much dwarfs Thing in most stuff. Except willpower maybe.

Colossus is VERY debatable.

I believe Wonderman may take the slight majority over the Thing.

But the middleweights he listed aren't Middleweights when written properly.

Ben has the BIGGEST heart. No debate there.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Could Namor TKO Thing though? THing could pretty much shrug off anything. no Namor would pwn Ben

Originally posted by masterbruce
Ben has the BIGGEST heart. No debate there.

Hell, even THAT'S debatable. You don't see Ben injecting himself with a lethal Legacy Virus antidote in order to save millions of mutants worldwide...

But honestly, heart is great and all, but it won't stop the other middleweights from kicking his ass. And that's no offense to Ben at all. I love Thing, but the others (save Rhino and Venom) are just superior to him.

Originally posted by Ichigo66666


Colossus is VERY debatable.


Explain.

Please.

Considering that Colossus is superior to Ben in Strength, Speed, Durability, Reflexes, Skill, and even looks.

All Ben MAY have is his 'heart' and his lame ass catch phrases.

Neither of which will put Colossus down for the count.

Originally posted by Soljer
Explain.

Please.

Considering that Colossus is superior to Ben in Strength, Speed, Durability, Reflexes, Skill, and even looks.

All Ben MAY have is his 'heart' and his lame ass catch phrases.

Neither of which will put Colossus down for the count.

And kudos again, Soljer.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And kudos again, Soljer.

'Tis a pleasure.

Originally posted by Soljer
Explain.

Please.

Considering that Colossus is superior to Ben in Strength, Speed, Durability, Reflexes, Skill, and even looks.

All Ben MAY have is his 'heart' and his lame ass catch phrases.

Neither of which will put Colossus down for the count.

Colossus is in no way better lookin than the everlovin Thing. That's why Thing's got a cute gf while Colossus has to go gay.

Originally posted by Soljer
Explain.

Please.

Considering that Colossus is superior to Ben in Strength, Speed, Durability, Reflexes, Skill, and even looks.

All Ben MAY have is his 'heart' and his lame ass catch phrases.

Neither of which will put Colossus down for the count.

I am not doubting Colossus will win.

I'm just saying that alot of people will debate differently.

I am a major fan of both of them, I prefer the Thing, although Colossus is of course superior.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Colossus is in no way better lookin than the everlovin Thing. That's why Thing's got a cute gf while Colossus has to go gay.



One, it's popular notion that homosexuals worry far more about their appearance than the straight culture among us. Two, I don't see how Colossus being gay OR straight affects his looks. Three, wrong Universe. Four, I take offense to you pseudo-insulting homosexuals. My roommate is gay, I have several straight, gay, bisexual, and even transgendered friends. I'd appreciate it if you weren't such a dick, a joke or not.

Thanks, .

Originally posted by Ichigo66666
I am not doubting Colossus will win.

I'm just saying that alot of people will debate differently.

I am a major fan of both of them, I prefer the Thing, although Colossus is of course superior.

Of course there will be those that debate for the thing. The ignorant.

There are people that have debated that Wolverine will demolish Wonder Woman. Does that make it arguable that he would?

Originally posted by Soljer


One, it's popular notion that homosexuals worry far more about their appearance than the straight culture among us. Two, I don't see how Colossus being gay OR straight affects his looks. Three, wrong Universe. Four, I take offense to you pseudo-insulting homosexuals. My roommate is gay, I have several straight, gay, bisexual, and even transgendered friends. I'd appreciate it if you weren't such a dick, a joke or not.

Thanks, .

I didn't mean any offense to homosexuals, just a joke.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I didn't mean any offense to homosexuals, just a joke.

No hard feelings.

Originally posted by Soljer
Of course there will be those that debate for the thing. The ignorant.

There are people that have debated that Wolverine will demolish Wonder Woman. Does that make it arguable that he would?

No, i wrote it wrong.

I meant to say that Colossus vs Thing to some people is very debatable.

People could happily debate for Wolverine, meaning to them that it is a debatable topic.

Heavyweight: If this really is a boxing match, than both Hercules and Thor should have huge advantages. Boxing was invented in Greece, and I think Herc is going to be able to roll with the punches and dish it back out in a more proper fashion than any of them. Then again, he isn't as durable or strong as a lot of the other guys on that list. Thor should also be extremely versed in boxing and other striking sports, even though grapling (ie glima) is more of a nordic tradition. Even though I don't want to, I'll bring up King Thor killing Hulk and Thing with one arm.

Bottom line is, it's a boxing match, which means folks will need to keep their feet on the ground, with no kicks, and the first KO doesn't matter as long as they keep getting up. That means folks like Hulk will keep getting up, but I think Hulk would get disqualified pretty fast for breaking the rules (especially Ult. Hulk).

IMO, it goes like this:

Heavyweight: SHAZAM, Thor, Superman, not necissarly in that order. If Herc had the strength of Superman, I'd say he'd be #1, but he doesn't...so he's not. Surfer can get stronger, but he's not really as adapt at straight h2h as Thor or Superman, and is used to being much more versitile.

Middleweight: When I saw this thread, the first thing I thought of was Ben and Thor. Ben was a previous boxer (IIRC), and thus should already be ahead of the game in this department. The fact that it's simply a boxing match puts him in my top three. The lack of being able to kick and other techniques takes She-Hulk out of the fight (IMO), and nocks Namor down from first to second or third. Most men of Peter's age learn something like Sambo in Slavic countries, and with his top tier strength and durability, I put him at first.

Middleweight: Colossus, Thing, Namor.

Lightweight: This is the biggest throw up of them all. It's not necissarly about X's fighting skill> Y's fighting skill, it's more about X's BOXING skill>Y's boxing skill. That being said, I think Cap, Spiderman (for obvious reasons), Luke (for obvious reasons), and Wolverine stand the best chances in this department. Spiderman, being arguably the strongest or one of the strongest here, mixed with pre-cog should put him on the top of the list, but the fact that he wont be able to flip all around and fight all 'capoeira' style like he normally does brings him out of 1st place. Judging by how Cap is drawn fighting in recent books suggests he's had a lot of striking/boxing style training, and puts him legues above in this competition. Luke doesn't need to jump all around to kick ass though, and I think he'll pull #1 in this department for his obvious advantages.

Lightweight: Luke, Spiderman, Captain America

EXCELLENT ANALYSIS! MightyEInherjar. You really got my concept of this being a boxing match and not just a regular fight.

VERY GOOD POST

Originally posted by Soljer


One, it's popular notion that homosexuals worry far more about their appearance than the straight culture among us. Two, I don't see how Colossus being gay OR straight affects his looks. Three, wrong Universe. Four, I take offense to you pseudo-insulting homosexuals. My roommate is gay, I have several straight, gay, bisexual, and even transgendered friends. I'd appreciate it if you weren't such a dick, a joke or not.

Thanks, .

And another agreement from me.

Heavy
Silver Surfer
Superman
Beta Ray Bill

Middle
Thing
Wonder Man
Namor

Light
Wolverine
Captain America
Spiderman

Its only Ultimate Colossus that is gay not 616

Originally posted by thedude1948


She Hulk
- Already beat Champion in a boxing match, she cant beat all of them in a fight but in a boxing match I think she can take all of them.



Im sorry thats PIS.

In a ring where you can't fly/jump, kick, head butt, elboy, knee or use any other tactic that is not boxing related, and in a boxing match where there are rules that have to be followed. it goes like this:

Heavyweight:

1. Superman- Trades blows with the strongest heavyweights out there plus has the speed to counter and dodge any of the other opponents punches. Simply put he is best of the best in this category.

2. Thor- same reasons as Supes, although is slightly outclassed by him in the stick and move department.

3. Silver Surfer- probably the smartest one here. Cosmic awarmess is something of a spidersense in a way so that will help. He will probably adapt to boxing easily and is extremely fast and durable, but his lack of h2h skills will be his downfall.

Note: I would put Hulk here, but I don't think he is smart or disciplined enough to follow the rules of a boxing match.

Middleweight:

1. Wonderman- should not be in this division in the first place seeing as he consistently trades blows with the likes of Thor, and Hercules.

2. Namor- His overwhelming speed + Power makes him the next best candidate.

3. Colussus- only loses to Namor for lack of speed, but it could go either way.

Lightweight:

1. Luke Cage- No one in this division is knocking him out IMO, not even Spiderman. (Not inside a ring with boxing gloves on)

2. Spiderman- Fastest, and arguably the strongest (i dont agree) is a sure first or second place.

3. Wolverine/Sabretoothe- Great instincts, good speed and strength, and both are incredibly determined which will make it hard for the others to K.O them. It depends which ones having the better day between the two.

Note: After seeing Cap take the punishment he did from IM, I'M hesitent to not put him up here.

Heavy Weight:

Hercules - (best boxer of the bunch!! experienced and LOVES fighting)
Superman/Captain Marvel - (super speed, strength, but not close to others in boxing)
Beta Ray Bill - (is Thor's equal, but arguably better at H2H and vicious)

honorable mention: Hulk.
He will eventually get stronger then everyone and could win,
but I can't see him boxing properly. he's no "boxer."

Middle Weight:

The Thing - (best boxer hands down!!! Went 3 rounds with Champion
when no one else could or would. Got trashed and kept coming back
for more! He must have thought Champ's fists tasted like his sweet
Aunt Petunia's apple pie.)
Namor - (strength, speed, experience, vicious. #2 only cause this is strictly boxing)
Colossus/Wonderman - (both very strong & durable. could go either way)

honorable mention: She-Hulk.
She may even beat Wondy or Colossus.

Light Weight:

Spiderman - (strength, super reflexes, speed, spidersense)
Luke Cage - (too strong, durable and vicious for everyone else)
Beast/Captain America - (Cap is best boxer here, and Beast is super strong + super agile too. Could go either way. Probably Beast.)

honorable mention: Wolverine/Sabretooth
healing factor will make it hard to put them down.
and they're both great fighters as well.

ring announcer: Howard Cosell.

http://www.monroegallery.com/showcase/images/Ali_HowardCosell_big.jpg

Heavyweight: Thor shouldn't make anyone's list. Not when there are people that are literally millions of times faster than him in the fight. Also, Superman really shouldn't be over Captain Marvel. There's that little pretty Magical Vulnerability thing working in Billy's favor, .

Middleweight: Thing shouldn't make anyone's list. He can't compete with Colossus, Namor, Wonderman, Iron-Man, or even She-Hulk.

Lightweight: Spiderman should likely be first. Even Luke Cage can't hit what he can't see (to quote Ali, and another poster earlier in this thread). Cage comes second, for sure. After that? Eh, who knows.

Thor is no slouch in the speed department. Yea Supes, Surfer, and Shazaam are faster, but Thor can hang with them especially in a ring.

Also fighters can't use special abilities, so i think the magic thing is negated.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Thor is no slouch in the speed department. Yea Supes, Surfer, and Shazaam are faster, but Thor can hang with them especially in a ring.

Also fighters can't use special abilities, so i think the magic thing is negated.

Just because it's in a ring doesn't mean that Superman can't throw a punch at speeds that Thor has never shown the ability to comprehend. Same with the Surfer or Captain Marvel.

Also, it's because Captain Marvel is endowed with magical strength, Superman is slightly more vulnerable toa magical being than to a being endowed with gifts from some other source.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Thor is no slouch in the speed department. Yea Supes, Surfer, and Shazaam are faster, but Thor can hang with them especially in a ring.

Also fighters can't use special abilities, so i think the magic thing is negated.

The Magic ability is NOT negated because it is a PASSIVE ability just like healing factor and spidersense.

I don't think Thor would do well because his specialty is in using Mjolnir. While he is still formidable without it, he's also not going to be at his best whereas the other guys only fight with their fists.

Originally posted by masterbruce
The Magic ability is NOT negated because it is a PASSIVE ability just like healing factor and spidersense.

I don't think Thor would do well because his specialty is in using Mjolnir. While he is still formidable without it, he's also not going to be at his best whereas the other guys only fight with their fists.

I'm not saying that Thor is weak without Mjolnir. Not at all, he's still a beast.

He just can't keep up with the others in the speed department. Fists can't hit what your eyes can't see, again. Same story.

A better lightweight division would have been:
(No weapons, powers,shields, or suits. Just standard boxing trunks and gloves).

1. Captain America
2. Daredevil
3. Black Panther
4. Batman
5. Green Arrow
6. GL Hal (no ring)
7. Arsenal
8. Cyclops
9. Iron Fist
10. Extremis Tony Stark
11. Wolverine
12. Nick Fury

Originally posted by nimbus006
A better lightweight division would have been:
(No weapons, powers,shields, or suits. Just standard boxing trunks and gloves).

1. Captain America
2. Daredevil
3. Black Panther
4. Batman
5. Green Arrow
6. GL Hal (no ring)
7. Arsenal
8. Cyclops
9. Iron Fist
10. Extremis Tony Stark
11. Wolverine
12. Nick Fury

Iron Fist would have rocked them all.

Yea i figured that people would say that, but i said no powers. So he can't use his chee/ iron fist to hit someone. Only is normal strength, speed, reflexes etc... Remember there are gloves on.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Yea i figured that people would say that, but i said no powers. So he can't use his chee/ iron fist to hit someone. Only is normal strength, speed, reflexes etc... Remember there are gloves on.

Wait...he can't use the Iron Fist move. That, I figured, was implied.

But you're also saying that he can't amp himself with Chi? That's not really a power. It's a skill. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Wait...he can't use the Iron Fist move. That, I figured, was implied.

But you're also saying that he can't amp himself with Chi? That's not really a power. It's a skill. .

Well thats the only way the others can compete wit him in a boxing match. I think he already has enhanced strength, speed, reflexes, etc... without amping himself up anyway. If not then he is allowed to increase his attributes with chee, but no iron fist.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Well thats the only way the others can compete wit him in a boxing match. I think he already has enhanced strength, speed, reflexes, etc... without amping himself up anyway. If not then he is allowed to increase his attributes with chee, but no iron fist.

He has nearly peak-human attributes without amping with Chi. I suppose it WOULD be unfair to allow him to amp. He jumps up to spider-man like speed with Amping. .

Yea that should be enough with his skills.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Colossus is one of THE MOST durable characters in comics.
Interesting...

Why cant Iron Fist use his chi to amp certain stats slightly? Daredevil and Batman can do it as well.

Secondly, if he cant amp why is Surfer allowed to?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Why cant Iron Fist use his chi to amp certain stats slightly? Daredevil and Batman can do it as well.

Secondly, if he cant amp why is Surfer allowed to?

Iron Fist isn't in this thread, he was proposing a hypothetical line up.

Also, it's because Iron Fist amping = superhuman, Spiderman level.

Batman amping = peak human Captain America, tops.

Also, Surfer was not specifically barred from amping. He still gets some damn fine wins.

Originally posted by Soljer
Iron Fist isn't in this thread, he was proposing a hypothetical line up.

Also, it's because Iron Fist amping = superhuman, Spiderman level.

Batman amping = peak human Captain America, tops.

Also, Surfer was not specifically barred from amping. He still gets some damn fine wins.

I know Fist isnt in the thread. I was also making a hypothetical statement kiiinda, but it did seem like the opposite.

Fist amping is slightly below Spiderman level. I wouldnt say it was = to Spiderman level.

Batman using his chi is above Cap level however. The guy has dont some crazy thngs with his matial arts.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I know Fist isnt in the thread. I was also making a hypothetical statement kiiinda, but it did seem like the opposite.

Fist amping is slightly below Spiderman level. I wouldnt say it was = to Spiderman level.

Batman using his chi is above Cap level however. The guy has dont some crazy thngs with his matial arts.

Fist amping is damn near Spiderman, I wouldn't hesitate to put their speed on a level playing field.

Also, What's batman done with Chi? Kicked down a tree?

Also, why haven't we seen chi displays in the last hundred comics he's been in? .

Originally posted by Soljer
Fist amping is damn near Spiderman, I wouldn't hesitate to put their speed on a level playing field.

Also, What's batman done with Chi? Kicked down a tree?

Also, why haven't we seen chi displays in the last hundred comics he's been in? .

I personally dont think Fist amping his speed is as close to Spidermans as you think. Then again thats my opinion.

You you have the last 100 comics that Batman has appeared in? I sure dont, but ill say that he doesnt have to use ony strenth in order to be using his chi. He can use it in the swift execution of his moves and his awareness.

Originally posted by bigbran
Shazam powered Captain Marvel wins hands down.

Namor.

Luke Cage. (didn't see him at first)

I'd have to go with Superman or over Captain Marvel... especially since his whole recent (stronger smarter) thing. And If you mean Billy Batson being captain marvel enpowered by Shazam... he's technically the wizard now... and not captain marvel.. right?

I'd agree that Namor beats Iron Man if its a pure fist fight.

And I'd also say that it would be damn hard for anyone to hurt luke considering his skin can not be cut by many things... guys durable like steel...