Pat Robertson VS Jerry Falwell

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Lord Urizen
Which of the two:


1) Is more Hateful ?

2) Is a bigger hypocrit ?

3) Represents thier religion best ?

4) Is greedier ?

5) Do you love or hate more ?



Some info:



Jerry Falwell: What he says about:


-Alcoholism and Negroes


"There are almost as many alcoholics as there
are negroes."
Rev. Jerry Falwell

-America's Condition


"I do not believe the Republicans or the Democrats
have the solution to America's moral and spiritual
dilemma. Only a pervasive and national spiritual
awakening can prevent us entering the
post-Christian era as we go simultaneously into
the 21st century. I believe America is in
imminent peril. We are rotting from within.
Rev. Jerry Falwell
"Rebuilding America's Walls," 7/6/97


-Brainwashing


"Somewhere in the past generation,
we've lost our biblical mind and not arranged
something better in its place.
We need a spiritual brainwashing,"
Jerry Falwell


-Church and State


"The idea of separation of Church and State
was invented by the Devil to keep Christians
from running their own country."
Rev. Jerry Falwell

Jerry would know.....





-Feminist (You know..Our mothers & sisters)


"I listen to feminists and all these radical
gals - most of them are failures. They've blown it.
Some of them have been married, but they married
some Casper Milquetoast who asked permission
to go to the bathroom. These women just need a man
in the house. That's all they need. Most of the
feminists need a man to tell them what time of day
it is and to lead them home. And they blew it
and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men.
They're sexist. They hate men - that's their
problem"
Rev. Jerry Falwell




-Homosexuals


I do not believe the homosexual community deserves
minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify
him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics,
women, etc., are God-ordained minorities who do indeed
deserve minority status.
Rev. Jerry Falwell, USA Today Chat, quoted from The
Religious Freedom Coalition, "The Two faces of
Jerry Falwell"




-How The Christian Right Can Help


" Our crowd needs to get into the battle,
keep their mouths shut and help this man win"
Rev. Jerry Falwell





-Human Failure


If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure
as a human being.
Rev. Jerry Falwell




-Jews


"I know a few of you here today don't like Jews.
And I know why. He can make more money accidentally
than you can on purpose.
Rev. Jerry Falwell


The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief.
They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of
their Messiah and Savior.
Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!



-Martin Luther King


"I do question the sincerity and non-violent
intentions of some civil rights leaders such as
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and
others, who are known to have left-wing associations.
Rev. Jerry Falwell




-Marriage



Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless
they are married to them.
Jerry Falwell, on CNN's Crossfire, May 17, 1997



-Mohammed the terrorist


"I think Mohammed was a terrorist.
I read enough of the history of his life.
He was a violent man, a man of war.
Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses.
And I think Mohammed set an opposite example."
Rev. Jerry Falwell




-Our Destruction



"We are on the brink of our destruction, and if we do
not awaken now, it will be too late. We have been victimized
by traitorous behavior on the part of our leaders."
Rev. Jerry Falwell

(The interesting part here is that Mr. Falwell's hatred for
Democrats is well known. This quote came at the end of
12 years of republican rule. George Bush Sr. was president
at the time.)



-Politics and Religion


The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented
by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own
country.
Rev. Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976





-Public Schools



I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of
our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches
will have taken them over again and Christians will be
running them. What a happy day that will be!
Rev. Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved,
1979 pp. 52-53, from Albert J.
Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on
Religious Freedom




-Supreme Court



"Modern U.S. Supreme Courts have raped the Constitution and
raped the Christian faith and raped the churches by
misinterpreting what the founders had in mind in
the First Amendment of the Constitution... e must fight
against those radical minorities who are trying to remove
God from our textbooks, Christ from our nation. We must
never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian
nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours."
Jerry Falwell, March 1993 sermon




-Teletubbies


"He is purple - the gay-pride colour; and his antenna
is shaped like a triangle - the gay-pride symbol."
Rev. Jerry Falwell

"As a Christian I feel that role modelling the gay lifestyle
is damaging to the moral lives of children."
Rev. Jerry Falwell









Pat Robertson:





If that had been the only instance of Robertson misleading the press and public, perhaps it wouldn't really matter so much. Instead of being an isolated instance, however, it was actually part of a wider pattern of attempt to cover up uncomfortable or unpleasant facts. Of particular note was his war record. Campaign literature claimed that he as a combat veteran of the Korean war, but witnesses came forward to report that his father used political influence to get him out of combat duty. Robertson sued for libel, but later dropped the charges

Unfortunately, the damage had been done - publicity over this issue led reporters to take a much closer look at his claims and found an incredible number of inconsistencies. He had at various times claimed his IQ to be 159, 139 and 137, all of which would qualify him as "genius." A book of his describes him as a "Yale-educated tax lawyer," even though he didn't pass the bar. He claimed to be on the board of directors of the United Virginia Bank, but he really only served on an advisory board. He claimed to have done graduate study at the University of London, but he only took a summer introductory course for visiting Americans.

More serious was his claim that CBN's financial affairs had always been "completely open and on the record," but in truth CBN had refused to join the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. This is an oversight group which provides voluntary standards of financial conduct and disclosure. CBN had not released any public financial statements, even though Robertson publicly insisted that it had. Even his salary was questionable, with him claiming much less than he really received. Excessive financial irregularities such as these are not laudable in a person seeking high office.



None of that exhausts the degree to which he has mislead people, but it's time to move on to the other matter which Robertson learned the hard way: extremists statements aren't always forgotten. He has a habit of opening his mouth and saying some of the most bizarre things - not bizarre for members of the far religious right, but certainly bizarre for anyone who actually expects to run for public office. No wonder he always lost

He has often been accused of wishing to enforce his extremist theology upon the American public, and every time he has vehemently denied this. Unfortunately, many of his public positions belie such denials. In 1986, for example, he quite openly declared that "a Supreme Court ruling is not law." He has at other times been quite clear that neither the President nor the Congress have any duty to pay attention to anything the Court says or does. He has also stated that the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, does not limit the actions of the states, but only of the federal government. This sounds amazingly inept for someone who went got a law degree from Yale, but perhaps that is why he failed his bar exam. This is the sort of person who wanted to be president? This is the sort of person who wants to play a role in choosing the president?

Basic Constitutional law isn't the only issue where he's an inept extremist. In 1985, he stated on an edition of his 700 Club television program that:

Individual Christians are the only ones really - and Jewish people, those who trust the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to him.


It's rare to have a powerful religious and political figure declare that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office or run government, and for that I think we can all be thankful. Of course, when confronted with this during his presidential campaign he denied ever having said it, but the video condemned him with his own words.











If anyone woud like to add more information as to the actions, speeches, or lives of these two wondorful gentlemen, please do so !



Discuss !

Lord Urizen
I guess people can't stomach even discussing these gentleman....that's okay...


I understand.

These men make me just as naucious. smile

ThePittman
What I hate both of them, and what gets me is that they can make these stupid/moronic comments and then say they are sorry and get away with it and all is forgiven but this is how they still think.

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by ThePittman
What I hate both of them, and what gets me is that they can make these stupid/moronic comments and then say they are sorry and get away with it and all is forgiven but this is how they still think.


I know. And they are still rich, still powerful, still influential, and still highly admired despite thier crimes against social progress and equality.

It fkn makes me sick ! sick

Alliance
This is rather pointless. They are obviously both disgustiong individuals.

bogen
the first guy has mad funny quotes, i like the prostitue one big grin

Lord Urizen
GO JERRY FALWELL !

Pat Robertson...you need to catch up !

Nellinator
To be fair, you did give Falwell an advantage with all those quotes. Perhaps you should even the playing field.

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by Nellinator
To be fair, you did give Falwell an advantage with all those quotes. Perhaps you should even the playing field.

thumb up


You are totally right. That's not fair. I gotta dig more dirt on Pat Robertson, because right now Jerry's winning by too much of a stretch.

Nellinator
Or maybe Falwell is worse? We shall see.

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by Nellinator
Or maybe Falwell is worse? We shall see.

We shall see....

Strangelove
Robertson is clearly more evil. Jerry Falwell is just a moron, not much of a danger

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by Strangelove
Robertson is clearly more evil. Jerry Falwell is just a moron, not much of a danger

Okay...explain how you came to that stance.

Jerry Falwell claims he's more evil, so I wanna know how you think Pat Robertson is more evil....

They both want to win first place in this thread, so...i need more than just claims.

Strangelove
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Okay...explain how you came to that stance.

Jerry Falwell claims he's more evil, so I wanna know how you think Pat Robertson is more evil....

They both want to win first place in this thread, so...i need more than just claims. Well, Jerry Falwell is just a flabby bag of hot air that repeats evangelical talking points.

Robertson, however, has advocated assassination on the 700 Club of world leaders he doesn't like. What you said about him shows that he has a tendency to lie. Falwell is simply a mouthpiece for the opinions of the ultra right-wing evangelicals, but Pat Robertson actually has a mind of his own. And a mind that evil can't be good

Lord Urizen
That's a very good point Strange....


Jerry Falwell, you are losing. Pat Robertson is ahead !

Fatima
Both of them are crazy ...

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