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Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

vs.

Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation

Thanos 20/10

thanos for the win

Darkseid would use ants to win Thanos?

darksied 100/10

Been Done........ but basically:

IG= Multiversal, ALE= Universal

Multiversal>Universal

IG wins everytime.

Mr Master demonstrated these 2 facts here:

ALE is universal, why?


Originally posted by Mr Master
it only took:

Dr Fate, Orion, HighFather, Darkseid and Etrigen trapped it in a dimension for ever. (NOTICE only ONE Skyfather)

Long enough to prevail!
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6483/ale9vf0.th.jpg

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2096/ale15tr7.th.jpg
the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"
And also the ALE couldn't even leave its universe under its own power.


The IG is Multiversal, why?

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Infinity Gauntlet is MULTIVERSAL:


From where?........many Realities away
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/954/magusmanyrealitiesaway2ai8.th.jpg

Many Realities away...
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2580/magusfaraway4qk.th.jpg

Galactus and others traveling..."In a TIME and PLACE that is Neither"...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1677/1gfindingmagusva4.th.jpg

Where do they End Up?...."In a Reality MANY steps removed from Our Own"
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8342/2gfindingmagusem4.th.jpg

Silver Surfer..."We must Return to Our Reality"
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1842/3gfindingmagusnk2.th.jpg


Here's where Warlock gets kidnapped in Magus's reality/universe...
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2248/awin616getstakenawaygs2.th.jpg


Now from Magus's Reality which I established is MANY UNIVERSES away:


Magus Remakes the 616 Universe in his image from Universes away
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

Warlock Remakes the 616 Universe back to it's original form, from Universes away
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6499/igremakesverse8li.th.jpg


Magus merged TWO Universes from a Universe, separated from BOTH.

ALE ftw.

darkseid ftw people

As much as I like Darkseid I have to say Thanos.

Well Thanos with IG took on multiple Cosmics including Galactus Master Lord Hate Sire Hate Mistress Love Celestials Stranger Ego Chronos. He also stoped Death

Originally posted by golem370
Well Thanos with IG took on multiple Cosmics including Galactus Master Lord Hate Sire Hate Mistress Love Celestials Stranger Ego. He also stoped Death errrr, and you forgot to mention Eternity

Originally posted by golem370
Well Thanos with IG took on multiple Cosmics including Galactus Master Lord Hate Sire Hate Mistress Love Celestials Stranger Ego Chronos. He also stoped Death
A very good list, but how about the commas? That's diffcult to read.

Thanos wins here.

and wgat about darkseid taking over the universe once he learned the ale. and what about him destroying the fourth world. and him surviving being thrown into the source. not o mention being one of the only sole survivors of the destruction of the universe once destroyed by mr. mxy and batmite??

im not taking away from thanos, but i would have to say Darkseid

Originally posted by great_dane
and wgat about darkseid taking over the universe once he learned the ale. and what about him destroying the fourth world. and him surviving being thrown into the source. not o mention being one of the only sole survivors of the destruction of the universe once destroyed by mr. mxy and batmite??

im not taking away from thanos, but i would have to say Darkseid

And you'd have to be wrong.

As always, it seems .

I would consider The Anti-Equation = Mistress Death

Originally posted by golem370
I would consider The Anti-Equation = Mistress Death Nope, the ALE was stuck in its own universe, and wasn't even capable of being released from that realm without help from the outside.

Mistress Death exists wherever there is life in the Multiverses', the ALE does not.

IMO Mistress Death>ALE

Originally posted by great_dane
and wgat about darkseid taking over the universe once he learned the ale. and what about him destroying the fourth world. and him surviving being thrown into the source. not o mention being one of the only sole survivors of the destruction of the universe once destroyed by mr. mxy and batmite??

im not taking away from thanos, but i would have to say Darkseid
Of course, you also beleive that Flash>Eternity.

Wasent the Anti-Life "being" taken out by darkseid, highfather and company? I remeber seeing scans of it a long time ago
if so IG all the way.

We dont' really know what the ALE is. DC has said that the ALE book to which Mr. Master uses to describe the ALE is NOT cannon. Even that ALE was multi versal in power. It didn't have the knowlege to use it. But it most def had the power. This fight is inconclusive.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We dont' really know what the ALE is. DC has said that the ALE book to which Mr. Master uses to describe the ALE is NOT cannon. Even that ALE was multi versal in power. It didn't have the knowlege to use it. But it most def had the power. This fight is inconclusive.
Prove that the ALE is multiversal in power.
The IG is proven to be multiversal in power.
IG showings >ALE

Originally posted by Galan777
Mr Master demonstrated these 2 facts here:

ALE is universal, why?


And also the ALE couldn't even leave its universe under its own power.


The IG is Multiversal, why?

Those scans are from a INCOMPLETE IG aswell.

Originally posted by Priest
Prove that the ALE is multiversal in power.
The IG is proven to be multiversal in power.
IG showings >ALE

It's really a simple matter. In that NON CANNON book, dr. fate and company had the power to collapse a universe. Thier power was pale in comparison to the ALE. The ALE was over taking them. IN that very same story, Darksied said that one fraction of that Ale's power was enough for him to take over the universe. The Ale itself was like a big dumb creature. It had lot's of power, but not lot's of brains. If someone like metron had the Full strength of that Ale's power, he would easily beat thanos with the IG. But since that ALE is NON cannon, we truly dont' know how powerful the ALE is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's really a simple matter. In that NON CANNON book, dr. fate and company had the power to collapse a universe. Thier power was pale in comparison to the ALE. The ALE was over taking them. IN that very same story, Darksied said that one fraction of that Ale's power was enough for him to take over the universe. The Ale itself was like a big dumb creature. It had lot's of power, but not lot's of brains. If someone like metron had the Full strength of that Ale's power, he would easily beat thanos with the IG. But since that ALE is NON cannon, we truly dont' know how powerful the ALE is.

Lets see scans of cannon ALE ussage.
Based on feats IG >ALE

Originally posted by Priest
Lets see scans of cannon ALE ussage.
Based on feats IG >ALE

Hence why you seek to start a fight with me. Didn't I say from the onset that this fight is inconclusive? Did you seem to forget that little fact. Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote. This fight is inconclusive because no one Knows how powerful the ALE really is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hence why you seek to start a fight with me. Didn't I say from the onset that this fight is inconclusive? Did you seem to forget that little fact. Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote. This fight is inconclusive because no one Knows how powerful the ALE really is.
im not starting a fight.
Based on feats so far IG >ALE.
happy

Originally posted by Priest
im not starting a fight.
Based on feats so far IG >ALE.
happy

The ALE has no feats. This fight might as well be Thanos with The IG versus Darkseid with no power ups. If you want a real fight. Put Alexandor luthor at full power against Thanos with the IG.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ALE book to which Mr. Master uses to describe the ALE is NOT cannon. Even that ALE was multi versal in power.



"Not canon" because you dislike the results?


Not only was it defeated by Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen as galan already pointed out with the SCANS,


but the ALE CAN'T even LEAVE it's own dimension


because it CAN'T even SURVIVE OUTSIDE it's Realm

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5678/ale3zr7.th.jpg

Originally posted by Galan777
Nope, the ALE was stuck in its own universe, and wasn't even capable of being released from that realm without help from the outside.

Mistress Death exists wherever there is life in the Multiverses', the ALE does not.

IMO Mistress Death>ALE Not to be a dink here, but Agamotto can't leave his universe (or shown it), Silver Surfer can basically go anywhere.
So SS>>>Agamotto?

Anyway, Thanos wins... easily!

Originally posted by Mr Master


"Not canon" because you dislike the results?


Not only was it defeated by Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen as galan already pointed out with the SCANS,


but the ALE CAN'T even LEAVE it's own dimension


because it CAN'T even SURVIVE OUTSIDE it's Realm

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5678/ale3zr7.th.jpg I was just going to say that it got beat by them.
In the meantime, Thanos takes out:

Galactus, Lord Order, Master Chaos, Kronos, Celestials, a couple more powerful people, with Death, and Mephisto thrown in there.

Then he defeats Eternity.

Ya, inconclusive, my ass!

Originally posted by bigbran
Not to be a dink here, but Agamotto can't leave his universe (or shown it), Silver Surfer can basically go anywhere.
So SS>>>Agamotto?

Anyway, Thanos wins... easily! Errr, so you dont think Mistress Death (who brings death across the entire Marvel Omniverse, and whom survived Multiversal destruction)

is more powerful then the ALE (which can't even leave its own realm under its own power, and whom was beaten by a few "New Gods" and "Wizards"?

Originally posted by Mr Master


"Not canon" because you dislike the results?


Not only was it defeated by Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen as galan already pointed out with the SCANS,


but the ALE CAN'T even LEAVE it's own dimension


because it CAN'T even SURVIVE OUTSIDE it's Realm

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5678/ale3zr7.th.jpg

Your such an idiot. I don't give a damn about results. It's a comic book you comic book dweeb nerd. I dont' live and breath comics. As you have noticed I took a break from you and your cronies bashing anyone who doesn't agree with you and glorify you and your twisted i'm right all the time logic. DC has said that that comic was NOT CANNON becuz it didn't go with the original idea that the Anti-life is a power source and Not a sentient being. Get bent!! You make me sick insulting without doing your homework first.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your such an idiot. I don't give a damn about results. It's a comic book you comic book dweeb nerd. I dont' live and breath comics. As you have noticed I took a break from you and your cronies bashing anyone who doesn't agree with you and glorify you and your twisted i'm right all the time logic. DC has said that that comic was NOT CANNON becuz it didn't go with the original idea that the Anti-life is a power source and Not a sentient being. Get bent!! You make me sick insulting without doing your homework first.

Oh god, I'm glad you're back.

So much more entertainment.

Now, there just needs to be an influx of Wonder Woman threads for you to get owned in.

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh god, I'm glad you're back.

So much more entertainment.

Now, there just needs to be an influx of Wonder Woman threads for you to get owned in.
Don't worry. I'll be long gone by the time you get to have your fun. I wouldn't dare provide you with that much entertainment.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Don't worry. I'll be long gone by the time you get to have your fun. I wouldn't dare provide you with that much entertainment.


Awww.

How cruel.

lololol

The ALE is the most varied attack in all of the DC universe. Why?

Because the writers can't decide what it does. Same as the Omega Effect.

Probably why DC has turned Darkseid into Superman's personal punching bag.

IG wins, despite what most would say.

Originally posted by Galan777
The IG is Multiversal
No, The IG is not multiversal.

It only gives the one who uses the IG the complete control over ONE universe. Not two or three. One.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
No, The IG is not multiversal.

It only gives the one who uses the IG the complete control over ONE universe. Not two or three. One. Geeze, please read these scans carefully........... If you do, you will find that the IG is in fact Multiversal:

The Infinity Gauntlet is MULTIVERSAL:


From where?........many Realities away
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/954/magusmanyrealitiesaway2ai8.th.jpg

Many Realities away...
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2580/magusfaraway4qk.th.jpg

Galactus and others traveling..."In a TIME and PLACE that is Neither"...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1677/1gfindingmagusva4.th.jpg

Where do they End Up?...."In a Reality MANY steps removed from Our Own"
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8342/2gfindingmagusem4.th.jpg

Silver Surfer..."We must Return to Our Reality"
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1842/3gfindingmagusnk2.th.jpg


Here's where Warlock gets kidnapped in Magus's reality/universe...
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2248/awin616getstakenawaygs2.th.jpg


Now from Magus's Reality which I established is MANY UNIVERSES away:


Magus Remakes the 616 Universe in his image from Universes away
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

Warlock Remakes the 616 Universe back to it's original form, from Universes away
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6499/igremakesverse8li.th.jpg


Magus merged TWO Universes from a Universe, separated from BOTH. (Courtesy of Mr Master)


And this was with an incomplete IG

But what do those scans prove ? Nothing.

"Realities far away... " "In a TIME and PLACE that is Neither..." "We must Return to Our Reality... "

What does that say about the actual power of the IG ? Nothing.

So Magus - who used 5 cosmic cubes - hides in a reality far away. Good for him. Does that mean the IG is multiversal ? Hell no.

The IG has always been about ONE universe. Those scans prove nothing, because they say nothing about the power of the IG being multiversal.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
But what do those scans prove ? Nothing.

"Realities far away... " "In a TIME and PLACE that is Neither..." "We must Return to Our Reality... "

What does that say about the actual power of the IG ? Nothing.

So Magus - who used 5 cosmic cubes - hides in a reality far away. Good for him. Does that mean the IG is multiversal ? Hell no.

The IG has always been about ONE universe. Those scans prove nothing, because they say nothing about the power of the IG being multiversal.

I said a long time ago that THE IG has bever been shown to be more powerful than The LT who controls All the realities.

LT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IG.

LT, now THAT's a multiversal power. Not the IG. Never was, never will be.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said a long time ago that THE IG has bever been shown to be more powerful than The LT who controls All the realities.

All the realities?

Idiot.

Multiversal isn't omniversal. The Infinity Gauntlet is Multiversal. The Heart of The Universe is Omniversal.

Originally posted by Soljer
All the realities?

Idiot.

Multiversal isn't omniversal. The Infinity Gauntlet is Multiversal. The Heart of The Universe is Omniversal.


With all ur terms. IN the end, THe LT is above the IG. There are many IG's in many realities, There is only one LT. SO get bent.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
With all ur terms. IN the end, THe LT is aBove the IG. There are many IG's in many reAlities, There is only one LT. SO get bEnt.

WoW tHiS is KinDa fUn, nO wOndeR yoU AlwaYs tYpe LiKe aN IDIOT.

You're just mad cause your company is losing in another match.

Originally posted by Soljer
WoW tHiS is KinDa fUn, nO wOndeR yoU AlwaYs tYpe LiKe aN IDIOT.

You're just mad cause your company is losing in another match.

lol i'm not mad at anything. On these boards, I've come to expect it, so what am I getting mad for? I'm just pointing out that the IG was never shown on panel to be used in a multiversal fashion. Even MultiEternity/Infinity gave not a care to the IG. They could care less about it. If it was as powerful as people like to make it, then they surely would have thought it warranted thier attention. it did not.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
lol i'm not mad at anything. On these boards, I've come to expect it, so what am I getting mad for? I'm just pointing out that the IG was never shown on panel to be used in a multiversal fashion. Even MultiEternity/Infinity gave not a care to the IG. They could care less about it. If it was as powerful as people like to make it, then they surely would have thought it warranted thier attention. it did not.

Multiversal means that it is capable of affecting multiple 'verses, yes? By definition?

That doesn't mean all of them.

That doesn't mean a hundred of them.

It only means more than one of them.

Originally posted by Soljer
Multiversal means that it is capable of affecting multiple 'verses, yes? By definition?

That doesn't mean all of them.

That doesn't mean a hundred of them.

It only means more than one of them.

If that were the case, Dr. Fate and Darksied and Dr. Strange are all Multiversal as well. They all have the power to affect more than just one universe. Multiversal means able to affect multiple nearing infinite realities. Multiversal beings are the White crown phoenix, parallax, the beyonder, mr mxy, the spectre, lucifer, and those on that lvl power. The IG is Supreme in it's one reality, but not in others.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If that were the case, Dr. Fate and Darksied and Dr. Strange are all Multiversal as well. They all have the power to affect more than just one universe. Multiversal means able to affect multiple nearing infinite realities. Multiversal beings are the White crown phoenix, parallax, the beyonder, mr mxy, the spectre, lucifer, and those on that lvl power. The IG is Supreme in it's one reality, but not in others. In it's one reality, No one can beat the wearer of the IG except they have power over the IG itself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The IG is Supreme in it's one reality, but not in others.
True.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
But what do those scans prove ? Nothing.

"Realities far away... " "In a TIME and PLACE that is Neither..." "We must Return to Our Reality... "

What does that say about the actual power of the IG ? Nothing.

So Magus - who used 5 cosmic cubes - hides in a reality far away. Good for him. Does that mean the IG is multiversal ? Hell no.

The IG has always been about ONE universe. Those scans prove nothing, because they say nothing about the power of the IG being multiversal. wow, so did you like, even read the scans?

Originally posted by Galan777
wow, so did you like, even read the scans?

You mean like the scans that say the ALE is Billions of times more powerful than any one universe? Or how Darksied says that one drop of it's power is enough for him to control one universe? It sounds like a drop of the Ale's power is equal to the IG controlling one universe. But since it was never shown on panel, only written, we can't go by that can we? And since the IG was never shown on panel controlling multiple realities, we can't go by that can we?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You mean like the scans that say the ALE is Billions of times more powerful than anyone universe? Or how Darksied says that one drop of it's power is enough for him to control one universe? It sounds like a drop of the Ale's power is equal to the IG controlling one universe. But since it was never shown on panel, only written, we can't go by that can we? Considering it only took a handful of New Gods, and Wizards to stop the ALE, yet the only thing that stopped the IG was the Living Tribunal, I think its a fair assumption to say:

IG>ALE

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And since the IG was never shown on panel controlling multiple realities, we can't go by that can we? ummm an Incomplete IG affected the Multiverse (thats what happened on those colorful things called scans that I posted)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You mean like the scans that say the ALE is Billions of times more powerful than any one universe? Or how Darksied says that one drop of it's power is enough for him to control one universe? It sounds like a drop of the Ale's power is equal to the IG controlling one universe. But since it was never shown on panel, only written, we can't go by that can we? And since the IG was never shown on panel controlling multiple realities, we can't go by that can we?

DC has had about 6 or 7 different possibilites for the Anti-Life equation. How can you base a victory on something when you don't even know what it is? Here's your thought process:

You: Frank Millar would kill Wolverine

Everyone Else: What's Frank Millar gonna do to Wolverine?

You: I don't know, but he could do it!

Everyone Else: If you don't know how he's gonna do it, or aren't even sure it's possible, then how the heck are you gonna sit there and say that Frank Millar could win?!

You: (insert mass flame-fest here)

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
DC has had about 6 or 7 different possibilites for the Anti-Life equation. How can you base a victory on something when you don't even know what it is? Here's your thought process:

You: Frank Millar would kill Wolverine

Everyone Else: What's Frank Millar gonna do to Wolverine?

You: I don't know, but he could do it!

Everyone Else: If you don't know how he's gonna do it, or aren't even sure it's possible, then how the heck are you gonna sit there and say that Frank Millar could win?!

You: (insert mass flame-fest here)

You forgot the part where he goes off on his unintelligible rant about how Marvel biased the entire country is, and how DC is such a better company, and how Wonder Woman would take out Thor, the Surfer, and Superman simultaneously.

Wow. Link?

btw, Wikipedia has a good listing of all the ALE effects:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Life_Equation

It's pretty informative

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
DC has had about 6 or 7 different possibilites for the Anti-Life equation. How can you base a victory on something when you don't even know what it is? Here's your thought process:

You: Frank Millar would kill Wolverine

Everyone Else: What's Frank Millar gonna do to Wolverine?

You: I don't know, but he could do it!

Everyone Else: If you don't know how he's gonna do it, or aren't even sure it's possible, then how the heck are you gonna sit there and say that Frank Millar could win?!

You: (insert mass flame-fest here)

Um did you read the part where I was talking about that particular instance of the ale. ANd how I was the first one that said this fight is inconclusive cuz no one knows what the ale can really do? or how about when I said that that book wasn't even cannon. So yeah, I don't think you know my thought process all that well. go re read EVERY think i wrote on the thread before just taking a piece of what I said and then making a judgement.

Originally posted by Soljer
You forgot the part where he goes off on his unintelligible rant about how Marvel biased the entire country is, and how DC is such a better company, and how Wonder Woman would take out Thor, the Surfer, and Superman simultaneously.

You forgot to mention that Wonder woman beats thanos, the IG and the presence.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You forgot to mention that Wonder woman beats thanos, the IG and the presence.

My bad.

Originally posted by Galan777
Errr, so you dont think Mistress Death (who brings death across the entire Marvel Omniverse, and whom survived Multiversal destruction)

is more powerful then the ALE (which can't even leave its own realm under its own power, and whom was beaten by a few "New Gods" and "Wizards"? Never said she is, never said she isn't.
I wasn't making a decision on who was more powerful, I was saying that just because he can't leave his demension, doesn't make it weak.

SS can go anywhere basically, this obviously means he is above Agamotto.
When has Agamotto left his realm, under his own power (and if he did, then, I'll just keep getting examples)?
Based on this, SS is obviously way higher than Agamotto.

Originally posted by bigbran
Never said she is, never said she isn't.
I wasn't making a decision on who was more powerful, I was saying that just because he can't leave his demension, doesn't make it weak. I didnt say the ALE was weak, but it only took a few New Gods and Wizards to beat it. Yet not even Thanos /w/ THOTU could destroy Death, it actually took the better part of the Beyonder's power to permanently kill Death.

That why I think:
Death>ALE

Originally posted by bigbran
SS can go anywhere basically, this obviously means he is above Agamotto.
When has Agamotto left his realm, under his own power (and if he did, then, I'll just keep getting examples)?
Based on this, SS is obviously way higher than Agamotto. All very true, but not really what i meant.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Ale itself was like a big dumb creature. It had lot's of power, but not lot's of brains. If someone like metron had the Full strength of that Ale's power, he would easily beat thanos with the IG.

Gibberish and fallacy mixed.


To begin with Metron himself said it was INTELLIGENT

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2013/a1no9.th.jpg



When Metron ran out of the ALE's Realm, the ALE was so dumb it threw FOUR ASPECTS of itself after Metron to follow him into his Universe, because it KNEW in advance it could not survive in it's entirety in the EARTH Universe

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1691/a2uq3.th.jpg



NOW JUST the ASPECTS and their "stupidity"


The ASPECTS leave Metron alone and head off on some unknown mission

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9594/a3wl1.th.jpg


The MISSION:

"The ALE's Negative Polarity does NOT allow it to live in OUR Universe, but it's ASPECTS can"
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3443/a4tz2.th.jpg
"So"?

Hmm... It may be "dumb" but it figured that one out.



The FOUR ASPECTS go to FOUR specific Star Systems

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7227/a5ab9.th.jpg

WHY?


The "big dumb" ALE sent FOUR ASPECTS of itself to destroy the Milky Way Galaxy, in order to ALTER Physical Laws so it can enter the Universe

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5930/a6kq8.th.jpg

Hmm....pretty slick for a "big dumb creature"...



"HOW are these ASPECTS going to KILL our Galaxy?"
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1878/a7xc9.th.jpg
"Those FOUR Star Systems on the screen"


"KNOCK OUT any TWO of them and the Milky Way will COLLAPSE"
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4267/a8he2.th.jpg

Not bad for a "big dumb creature" ey....



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But since that ALE is NON cannon, we truly dont' know how powerful the ALE is.

Says WHO?

Originally posted by Galan777
I didnt say the ALE was weak, but it only took a few New Gods and Wizards to beat it. Yet not even Thanos /w/ THOTU could destroy Death, it actually took the better part of the Beyonder's power to permanently kill Death.

That why I think:
Death>ALE Yes, but that is not what you said before.

Originally posted by Galan777
All very true, but not really what i meant. But I'm using your example to show that characters are better and weaker.

If you would have said what you said before, then I would agree, but not just because he can't leave his realm.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Ale itself was like a big dumb creature. It had lot's of power, but not lot's of brains. If someone like metron had the Full strength of that Ale's power, he would easily beat thanos with the IG.


More Proof that the ALE and even it's ASPECTS were REDICULOUSLY INTELLIGENT.



Now there were EIGHT Heroes, and TWO were assigned to each Star System.

John Stewart with his Green Lantern Ring is very confident, he leaves Martian Manhunter behind entrapped in a Bubble he made, because he felt Martian Manhunter was holding him back, poor cocky boy...

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4489/1ro3.th.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2397/2ml2.th.jpg


SURPRISE SURPRISE!

The "big dumb creature's" ASPECTS figured out his weakness WITHOUT even KNOWING it.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1197/3ic1.th.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9017/4vi1.th.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4442/1pv0.th.jpg

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Advise,

READ COMICS! before posting rubbish

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um did you read the part where I was talking about that particular instance of the ale. ANd how I was the first one that said this fight is inconclusive cuz no one knows what the ale can really do? or how about when I said that that book wasn't even cannon. So yeah, I don't think you know my thought process all that well. go re read EVERY think i wrote on the thread before just taking a piece of what I said and then making a judgement.

Please speak English.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but that is not what you said before. I said what I said a few pages ago because someone said they thought Death=ALE, and that was one of the many examples I thought to give right off the bat, thats all

Originally posted by bigbran
If you would have said what you said before, then I would agree, but not just because he can't leave his realm. ok, cool!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You mean like the scans that say the ALE is Billions of times more powerful than any one universe?

hysterical2


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or how Darksied says that one drop of it's power is enough for him to control one universe?

He said a FRACTION, which could mean any amount of numbers, and that's correct, it was nothing more than a statement.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And since the IG was never shown on panel controlling multiple realities, we can't go by that can we?

firefirefireph

Well, I guess if you wanna include Hype level with power level, than yes, the ALE is VERY powerful.

However, if Darkseid could add hype level to all of his power levels, he wouldn't be pissed on all the time like DC does to him.

BOOM BASH baby...


Long enough to prevail!

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6483/ale9vf0.th.jpg


"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2096/ale15tr7.th.jpg

"the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Originally posted by Priest
Prove that the ALE is multiversal in power.
The IG is proven to be multiversal in power.
IG showings >ALE

If the AE had power that existed in 2 or more dimensions/universes, it can be classified as "Multiversal".

Even if it did need a bridging universe to allow it into the DC Universe, it still had effect in 2 universes. Or more. Maybe there were special circumstances involved, which did not allow it to freely access other dimensions on it's own. Imprisonment, hiding, binding, etc. That does not mean that it would not be potent in other universes besides the 2.

Even after this arguement, I still believe the IG to be more powerful. The IG governed all laws of the universe.

Originally posted by Horrificus
If the AE had power that existed in 2 or more dimensions/universes, it can be classified as "Multiversal".

Even if it did need a bridging universe to allow it into the DC Universe, it still had effect in 2 universes. Or more. Maybe there were special circumstances involved, which did not allow it to freely access other dimensions on it's own. Imprisonment, hiding, binding, etc. That does not mean that it would not be potent in other universes besides the 2.

Only that the ALE did NOT affect Two Universes or more.

The FOUR ASPECTS that chased Metron back to his Universe took the form of individual beings, in two cases a Giant Robot and a Slime type thing.

But NONE of the ASPECTS had the power over a Planet or even a City Block for that matter, let alone a Universe.

Those scans I pumped where an ASPECT manages to destroy a Star System, was achieved with a bomb it constructed, it had nothing to do with it's own power.


Originally posted by Horrificus
Even after this arguement, I still believe the IG to be more powerful. The IG governed all laws of the universe.

No doubt.

That is why he is called MR. MASTER


HE OWNS ALL YA ASSES !

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is why he is called MR. MASTER


HE OWNS ALL YA ASSES !

thankyou

i think we can safely say (i hope!) that dc is indeed a multiverse. the ecruos was an entity that opposed the source (it was "the enemy of the source) and it was attempting to destroy all realities in an effort to wipe out the source. to do so it was killing the tree of knowledge at the nexxus of ALL realities. had it done so, it would have wiped out the dc multiverse. in that sense the ecruos was a multiversal destroyer.

guess what the only power capable of stopping and destroying it was . . .?

Originally posted by Galan777
wow, so did you like, even read the scans?
Without a doubt I read them better than you did.

Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal.

If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever.

Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Without a doubt I read them better than you did.

Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal.

If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever.

Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe. How about we say for a minute that it isn't multiversal. No quotes right now, nothing!
Ok got to sneak this in. The Infinity Being was everything, in all realms and she turned her power into 6 gems. We, right now, are using What-Ifs and such, to try and prove that there is more than one Gauntlet. Also the IG seemed to have full control in the realm where LT resides.

The IG was second to LT, a multiversal being. He wiped out all the abstracts, easily. In fact, the damn thing has done it, like 3 times.
Lets say, it can't affect multiple universes. It is still above any universal being, and second to LT. So how does not being multiversal take away from his power?
His power is still there, and since this is a forum battle, multiversal means nothing. The fact is, that the IG was able to take out any universal being it was up against, and Warlock was even going to challenge LT. LT had to determine if he truely had the power to beat him.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Without a doubt I read them better than you did.

Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal.

If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever.

Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe.

true

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Without a doubt I read them better than you did.

Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal.

If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever.

Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe.

i agree.

and bran, why wouldn't the IG have control in lt's world -- there were only abstracts there and we know he was above the abstracts . . .? and you said it was second to lt -- aside from hotu i presume -- but the starbrand was going to be used by erishkigal to wipe out the entire multiverse and lt didn't want to battle her because of possible ramifications. they each chose champions to fight with.

lt treated the starbrand similarly to how he treated the IG.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is why he is called MR. MASTER


HE OWNS ALL YA ASSES !

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is why he is called MR. MASTER


HE OWNS ALL YA ASSES !

I like to think it's becuz many people like to hold his jock for him. And shake it after he gets thru peeing. But he's no where near my master and I am NEVER impressed with his scans and HIS interpretations of the events. No matter how many people tell him how great he is.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Without a doubt I read them better than you did.

You might of read them, but you sure as heck could not discern them.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal.

So Magus with an INCOMPLETE IG, WARPS the 616 Universe by MERGING it with ANOTHER UNIVERSE that his 5 Cosmic Containment Units created, from his UNIVERSE that was SEPARATED from both,

and you don't consider that Multiversal?


Mind you the IG was INCOMPLETE.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever.

In Thanos's case he ONLY wanted ONE Universe.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6453/ltnoig1lw8.th.jpg


And LT let him know he WOULD NOT Interfere, because Thanos ONLY WANTED ONE Universe

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3766/ltnoig2zv1.th.jpg




In Magus's case he had an INCOMPLETE IG, and STILL managed to CONTROL TWO UNIVERSES from a Universe SEPARATED from both.


Magus's lair was UNIVERSES AWAY from 616 Universe

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2580/magusfaraway4qk.th.jpg

Doom&Kang find Magus's stronghold after what?

Breaking Through to the Desired Reality.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5843/srealityex5.th.jpg


Magus remakes the 616 universe in his image from universes away, and MERGES the Universe created by the 5 CCU with 616

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg



In Nebula's case, she smacked up the Abstracts with the exception of Eternity who was not there, and she probably would have gone further but she was thwarded by Warlock who physically ENTERED the IG because of his connection to the Soul Gem.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe.

Well I think I shed some light on this misinterpretation.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Without a doubt I read them better than you did.

You might of read them, but you sure as heck could not discern them.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal.

So Magus with an INCOMPLETE IG, WARPS the 616 Universe by MERGING it with ANOTHER UNIVERSE that his 5 Cosmic Containment Units created, from his UNIVERSE that was SEPARATED from both,

and you don't consider that Multiversal?


Mind you the IG was INCOMPLETE.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever.

In Thanos's case he ONLY wanted ONE Universe.


Eternity went to the Living Tribunal and asked him for help,

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6453/ltnoig1lw8.th.jpg


And LT let him know he WOULD NOT Interfere, because Thanos ONLY WANTED ONE Universe

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3766/ltnoig2zv1.th.jpg




In Magus's case he had an INCOMPLETE IG, and STILL managed to CONTROL TWO UNIVERSES from a Universe SEPARATED from both.


Magus's lair was UNIVERSES AWAY from 616 Universe

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2580/magusfaraway4qk.th.jpg

Doom&Kang find Magus's stronghold after what?

Breaking Through to the Desired Reality.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5843/srealityex5.th.jpg


Magus remakes the 616 universe in his image from universes away, and MERGES the Universe created by the 5 CCU with 616

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg



In Nebula's case, she smacked up the Abstracts with the exception of Eternity who was not there, and she probably would have gone further but she was thwarded by Warlock who physically ENTERED the IG because of his connection to the Soul Gem.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe.

Well I think I shed some light on this misinterpretation.

to create the dark dimension, dormmamu merged several realities (again note the fluid terminolgy -- when dormmamu references earth to strange, he oftens says the 'earth dimension' or your dimension -- not always 'universe') in a series of hostile take-overs. the dark dimension is basically an amalgamation or synthesis of many realities. does that mean dormmamu has displayed multiversal power when he cannibalized those other realities?

not imo -- at least not in the way WE'VE been referencing multiversal power.

i'm also unsure where you got the notion that magus "created" his own universe to merge with ours.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3934/maguspk4.th.jpg

the scan clearly says he wandered around and FOUND (as opposed to created) a barren 'region' to call his own. a dimensional corridor seems to say to me that it's a corridor that . . . joins dimensions. he could have wandered this dimensional corridor and STILL remained within eternity '616' since 616 is comprised of many many dimensions. if that is the case, merging dimensions/realities/actualities as he did is NOT an indication of multiversal power anymore than dormmamu's merging the dimensions to create the dark dimension.

do you have other reasons to believe magus DID create a universe OUTSIDE eternity 616?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm also unsure where you got the notion that magus "created" his own universe to merge with ours.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3934/maguspk4.th.jpg

the scan clearly says he wandered around and FOUND (as opposed to created) a barren 'region' to call his own.

That's because that scan is CLEARLY the WRONG One


Again, please read my posts thoroughly as I do yours,


I NEVER said Magus created his own Universe

I said Magus created a Universe with 5 Cosmic Containment Units


Originally posted by leonidas
do you have other reasons to believe magus DID create a universe OUTSIDE eternity 616?


5 Cosmic Containment Units Create a Duplicate 616 Universe

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8559/5ccmakeduplicatemj6.th.jpg


Then he MERGES this Universe with 616 Universe:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I like to think it's becuz many people like to hold his jock for him. And shake it after he gets thru peeing. But he's no where near my master and I am NEVER impressed with his scans and HIS interpretations of the events. No matter how many people tell him how great he is.


YOU BOW DOWN AND GIVE MR. MASTER A NICE BLOWJOB !


HE GOT YOU WHIPPED AND LEASHED BY THE TESTES !

Originally posted by Mr Master
5 Cosmic Containment Units Create a Duplicate 616 Universe

cool. but your scan also says the 'galaxy' will be in his thrall. 'galaxy' . . .?


and where did he create this other universe? within his 'barren region', presumeably, where his stronghold was?

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. but your scan also says the 'galaxy' will be in his thrall. 'galaxy' . . .?


and where did he create this other universe? within his 'barren region', presumeably, where his stronghold was?

So this other Universe that he clearly says he created with his Cosmic Containment Units, appeared magically out of nowhere.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

Or is an ACTUALITY and a REALITY a Galaxy in your opinion?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or is an ACTUALITY and a REALITY a Galaxy in your opinion?

not in MY opinion, but apparently in the author's . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree.

and bran, why wouldn't the IG have control in lt's world -- there were only abstracts there and we know he was above the abstracts . . .? and you said it was second to lt -- aside from hotu i presume -- but the starbrand was going to be used by erishkigal to wipe out the entire multiverse and lt didn't want to battle her because of possible ramifications. they each chose champions to fight with.

lt treated the starbrand similarly to how he treated the IG. Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this...

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

Usually, he only let's his babes and his homies call him LG. Or L to the G-tight.

Originally posted by leonidas
not in MY opinion, but apparently in the author's . . .

In the author's opinion, Magus created a UNIVERSE


"He used his Unknown Power to CREATE a DUPLICATE REALITY, which is now merging with the ORIGINAL"

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8559/5ccmakeduplicatemj6.th.jpg

You chose only to focus on the second part of the statement.


I figure the "galaxy will be in his thrall" line, is because that's where they are at, so that's the main concern.


But if it takes 5 Cosmic Containment Units to create a Galaxy, and it took Thanos ONE to become a Universe, that's weird weird weird...


When it was suggested before that, Magus MIGHT have created FIVE UNIVERSES with those same UNITS:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/250/uninp9.th.jpg



But here are more clear examples, it was the UNIVERSE that was in jeapardy, all this occured BEFORE Magus acquired the IG:

"The Defense of our UNIVERSE"

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/379/uni1al4.th.jpg


"It is my UNIVERSE as well"
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7376/uni2du8.th.jpg


"For the good of the UNIVERSE"
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5493/uni3nn1.th.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this...

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this...

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

It makes you wonder how deep the writers and artists are thinking when they create the panels.

Your scans suck, they really do. A lot of assumptions, but no proof whatsoever. With each scan I'm thinking : So what ? "The Defense of our UNIVERSE", "It is my UNIVERSE as well", "For the good of the UNIVERSE"...

We all know the universe what threatened, so what's the point ?

So Magus created a duplicate reality : not with the help of the IG, that's for sure, but with his five cosmic cubes.

What does that have to do with the IG ? Nothing.

Once again : the IG gives complete and total control over 1 universe, in this case the 616 universe. All the rest is speculation.


Definitely not true. Speculating again.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Your scans suck, they really do. A lot of assumptions, but no proof whatsoever. With each scan I'm thinking : So what ? "The Defense of our UNIVERSE", "It is my UNIVERSE as well", "For the good of the UNIVERSE"...

We all know the universe what threatened, so what's the point ?

So Magus created a duplicate reality : not with the help of the IG, that's for sure, but with his five cosmic cubes.

What does that have to do with the IG ? Nothing.

Oh my dear boy,


your so bent on being right that you've completely ignored why those scans where posted of the Cosmic Containment Units.

Leon asked me if I had scans that proved Magus created a Universe, and so I showed him the scans of the 5 CCU creating a DUPLICATE 616 UNIVERSE.


If you had read the following Scan, Magus clearly points out that he has REMADE the 616 in his IMAGE, AND, he MERGED TWO UNIVERSES with the INFINITY GAUNTLET,


At this point Magus HAS his INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet, he does NOT possess the CCUs anymore.


"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now MISSING Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.


Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had TOTAL CONTROL of TWO UNIVERSES,

and he himself was in a UNIVERSE separated from these TWO Universes he was TOTALY CONTROLLING!




Magus ALSO TOTALY CONTROLLED the Energies of the Ultimate Nullifier (MULTIVERSAL DESTROYER and REMAKER) with his INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet:

Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5366/igvsunoz6.th.jpg

Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2843/igvsun2pi1.th.jpg
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them, Absolute control..

Notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.

"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8928/igvsun3sw2.th.jpg


Now do you understand my child?

The Infinity Gauntlet is much more than you ever realized isn't it?



Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Once again : the IG gives complete and total control over 1 universe, in this case the 616 universe. All the rest is speculation.

Actually friend, I know I just proved you WRONG.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Definitely not true. Speculating again.

You shouldn't use the word "Definitely" again, wouldn't you say?

Don't forget that when Morg used the Ultimate Nullifier it didn't destroy the Multi-Verse it just killed Tyrant nothing more

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Don't forget that when Morg used the Ultimate Nullifier it didn't destroy the Multi-Verse it just killed Tyrant nothing more

I haven't forgotten.


Don't forget,

Galactus has used the Ultimate Nullifier to erase ONE individual, aswell as a Universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't forgotten.


Don't forget,

Galactus has used the Ultimate Nullifier to erase ONE individual, aswell as a Universe.
Yes Reed was able to erase the Multi-Verse but Morg was only able to disintegrade Tyrant and even that took 2 blasts from th UN so perhaphs the effects of the UN depends on who is using it. So will never find out what would have happened if Quasar has succesfully fired with it.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this...

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!




okay, let's assume for a moment that lt's realm is NOT in the 616. you say that because the IG had power there that means . . . what? the IG is multiversal or at least has power that extends BEYOND 616? does that mean ALL those present have power that extends to . . . wherever, as well? eternity 616 itself retained at least SOME measure of his power. just because they're in lt's realm they were all supposed to be rendered powerless for some reason?

honestly, i have no idea why you brought up strange or the inbetweener -- unless you meant that to be addressed to someone else . . .

originally you said IG was second in power to lt. that was wrong. obviously hotu is above it and i said that lt treated erishkigal with the starbrand with the same deference he treated adam with the IG -- ie starbrand may well=>IG. hard to back that up those because of a lack of feats, but lt certainly took it to be a very real multiversal level threat.

HAD lt and adam battled, lt would have won at great cost to everything. so, while he didn't SAY he didn't want to battle, he did allude to the fact that he would rather not. it's the same thing he did with erishkigal and he would likely have beaten her as well. in adam's case, i rather doubt adam would have elected to HAVE a champion battle in his name. erishkigal DID so choose. had she forced a fight, her and lt would have fought as well.

frankly, i'm not sure what the point of your rebuttal was.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Yes Reed was able to erase the Multi-Verse but Morg was only able to disintegrade Tyrant and even that took 2 blasts from th UN so perhaphs the effects of the UN depends on who is using it. So will never find out what would have happened if Quasar has succesfully fired with it.

Actually the only reason Tyrant was still around after being blasted by the UN, is because Morg was torturing him,

And Galactus played a role in that sequence, that's why the Universe was spared,

I'll explain quickly with proof:


"MORG, the Drone, and the Ultimate Nullifier have MERGED into ONE Weapon"

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5986/un5qg5.th.jpg



This gave MORG/Drone total control over the energies of the UN, so here he disintegrates Tyrant's legs,

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7696/un4yx9.th.jpg

not because he couldn't erase him completely, but because he wanted to play with Tyrant:


Here Galactus verifies this:


"Time is of the essence, SOON, MORG will grow BORED with this TORTURE and crave New Sport"

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8228/un6he0.th.jpg



Now when the UN was about to erase the Universe, Galactus's World Ship was able to contain the energies with in it, though it was ERASED in the process:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2827/un3dy7.th.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3592/un7es2.th.jpg



The SHIP and everyone else was ERASED, but Galactus managed to escape at the last instant:

"Tyrant, Morg, Air Walker, GALACTUS....ALL are DEAD"
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7500/ddw2.th.jpg


"They have been Consumed...ULTIMATELY NULLIFIED"
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8854/d2kk5.th.jpg

Except for Galactus who escaped.


By the way, MORG NEVER clicked the UN to ERASE the Universe, he chopped his axe into the Drone that was attached to his arm to release the Energies of the UN.


Originally posted by juggernaut66666
So will never find out what would have happened if Quasar has succesfully fired with it.

You know who Quasar is?

Protector of the Universe, FULL of COSMIC AWARENESS, if he wanted to ERASE the Universe with the UN, he was more than capable, even more than REED.

What are you talking about ? That process was already started with his five cosmic cubes. The IG only speeded up things a bit (well, that was the plan...)

He didn't create a "reality" with the IG. He didn't start merging "realities" with the IG.

Third time I say this : he who controls the IG, controls the universe, in this case the 616 universe.

You like scans. Fine. Show me a scan where it clearly says that the IG's power is multiversal.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
What are you talking about ? That process was already started with his five cosmic cubes. The IG only speeded up things a bit (well, that was the plan...)

He didn't create a "reality" with the IG. He didn't start merging "realities" with the IG.

So in other words,

your going to ignore the FACT, that Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT with an INCOMPLETE IG?

And though the Units began the merger,

Magus didn't speed up the process, the Cosmic Containment Units were OUT of the PICTURE COMPLETELY, it was the IG ALONE that MERGED the TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.

And AGAIN,

Magus did this from a Universes SEPARATED from both of those other Universes.


You must be confused about what MULTIVERSAL means, not to mention it was an INCOMPLETE IG performing the feat, but let's IGNORE that too while we're at it.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Third time I say this : he who controls the IG, controls the universe, in this case the 616 universe.

He who controls an INCOMPLETE IG can CONTROL THREE UNIVERSES evidently, along with CONTROLLING the Power of the Ultimate Nullifier.


Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You like scans. Fine. Show me a scan where it clearly says that the IG's power is multiversal.


What's the point, I showed you verified proof of an INCOMPLETE IG controlling UNIVERSES (Plural) and you blind yourself.

Aw, what the heck:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1135/igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.th.jpg

"SUPREME being of THIS, and ALL UNIVERSES"

Nice scan, I'll give you that. Too bad he didn't conquer any of those universes

Only words of a villain. And God forbid a villain would exaggerate

I'm going to have to say that the Infinty Gauntlet is greater than the Anti-Life Equation.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm going to have to say that the Infinty Gauntlet is greater than the Anti-Life Equation.

good morning

ig>ale

I'd have to say The Anti-life equation would basically make DS own who ever wears the IG's mind. The IG is not Multiversal like everyone pretends it is. Where as the Anti-Life gives the user complete control over free will.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'd have to say The Anti-life equation would basically make DS own who ever wears the IG's mind. The IG is not Multiversal like everyone pretends it is. Where as the Anti-Life gives the user complete control over free will.

Mind and Soul Gems would protect him from being controlled.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Mind and Soul Gems would protect him from being controlled.

I"d wager it isn't. THe ALE is more than some mere mind control. It's power is compared to that of MXY AND BATMITE. MXY alone is more powerful than The IG. Batmites power is a match to the IG as shown when JOker was using Batmite's power in emporer joker saga.

I dont think the ALE works in Thanos (regarding control over freewill) anyways, he is outside Destiny's power, meaning he has some sort of beyond-the-universe freewill.

I have to say Thanos with IG but only because the ALE don't have enough GOOD feats..

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
I have to say Thanos with IG but only because the ALE don't have enough GOOD feats..

True. All we have now is comparisons and speculations of what the ALE"s power is like. But if ALE =Mxy+Batmite, then it would win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
True. All we have now is comparisons and speculations of what the ALE"s power is like. But if ALE =Mxy+Batmite, then it would win. Speculations don't equate to feats IMO.

The IG has pwned almost every powerful cosmic being in Marvel....... at once:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7635/ltrulesig10cf.th.jpg

Not even LT knew if his powers were great enough to overcome the Gauntlet:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/601/awfr1.th.jpg

Darkseid /w/ the ALE has done nothing remotely close to this. When we compare feats alone, and disregard speculation....

IG>ALE.

Originally posted by Galan007
Speculations don't equate to feats IMO.

The IG has pwned almost every powerful cosmic being in Marvel....... at once:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7635/ltrulesig10cf.th.jpg

Not even LT knew if his powers were great enough to overcome the Gauntlet:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/601/awfr1.th.jpg

Darkseid /w/ the ALE has done nothing remotely close to this. When we compare feats alone, and disregard speculation....

IG>ALE.

Until The ALE is more clearly defined all we have is speculation. At the very least, Batmites power is equal to the IG. Which is what DS compared it to. Threads like this can't really be argued balanced when the ALE hasn't really been used.

Originally posted by great_dane
and wgat about darkseid taking over the universe once he learned the ale. and what about him destroying the fourth world. and him surviving being thrown into the source. not o mention being one of the only sole survivors of the destruction of the universe once destroyed by mr. mxy and batmite??

im not taking away from thanos, but i would have to say Darkseid


wat part of ig>>>>>>>ale don't u understand?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Threads like this can't really be argued balanced when the ALE hasn't really been used. I agree with that, but as of now, based on feats alone....

IG>ALE

Agreed?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Until The ALE is more clearly defined all we have is speculation. At the very least, Batmites power is equal to the IG. Which is what DS compared it to. Threads like this can't really be argued balanced when the ALE hasn't really been used.

ONe thing about this scan that intrigues me, Eternity seems hell bent on no one posessing the IG. If the IG is multiversal, how come multi-eternity isnt the one pleading the case. I seem to remember Eternity not wanting the IG to be used in unison becuz it would replace him, in the singular as the universe's ruler. Can someone explain this to me? How is the IG multiversal when It only replaces ONE Eternity and it is clearly shown on panel that It's ETERNITY that doesn't want the IG to be used in Unison or given to him or smething like that. I can't remember exactly.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ONe thing about this scan that intrigues me, Eternity seems hell bent on no one posessing the IG. If the IG is multiversal, how come multi-eternity isnt the one pleading the case. I seem to remember Eternity not wanting the IG to be used in unison becuz it would replace him, in the singular as the universe's ruler. Can someone explain this to me? How is the IG multiversal when It only replaces ONE Eternity and it is clearly shown on panel that It's ETERNITY that doesn't want the IG to be used in Unison or given to him or smething like that. I can't remember exactly. Eternity is full of greed. He wanted the IG for himself.

His reasoning behind that wasn't revealed, but Warlock speculated that Eternity possessing the IG would threaten LT. (Which is the main reason why LT didn't give the Gems to Eternity after Warlock agreed to disband the Gauntlet.)

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with that, but as of now, based on feats alone....

IG>ALE

Agreed?
I'll say that It's inconclusive and that the IG has showings while the ALE has none. If I say IG>>ALE by showings alone that would be like saying Aquaman>>> Sentry becuz Aquaman has more showings. Just gotta wait and see what Sentry is all about. For now THe IG wins this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For now THe IG wins this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'll say that It's inconclusive and that the IG has showings while the ALE has none. If I say IG>>ALE by showings alone that would be like saying Aquaman>>> Sentry becuz Aquaman has more showings. Just gotta wait and see what Sentry is all about. For now THe IG wins this. Except, that Sentry has higher feats, now, doesn't he?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Until The ALE is more clearly defined all we have is speculation. At the very least, Batmites power is equal to the IG. Which is what DS compared it to. Threads like this can't really be argued balanced when the ALE hasn't really been used. Could, that by any chance, be the ALE being, that he compared it to?

Originally posted by bigbran
Except, that Sentry has higher feats, now, doesn't he?
Could, that by any chance, be the ALE being, that he compared it to?

Exactly what is your point?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Exactly what is your point? Is the full ALE being compared to Batmite, or is Darkseid with the ALE?

It's a simple question really.

Not really a point, just curious.

Originally posted by bigbran
Is the full ALE being compared to Batmite, or is Darkseid with the ALE?

It's a simple question really.

Not really a point, just curious.

did you take the time to read the previous post? There was a really good conversation today. It doesn't seem like you have any intention of actually adding to what was said. for the purpose of this thread, we were saying what the ale was likened to.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
did you take the time to read the previous post? There was a really good conversation today. It doesn't seem like you have any intention of actually adding to what was said. for the purpose of this thread, we were saying what the ale was likened to. I read the last page, I just got on a while ago...

I still haven't got my answer...
Can you answer it, please? No long posts, just an answer.

Is Batmite equal to the ALE being, or Darkseid with the ALE?

Originally posted by bigbran
I read the last page, I just got on a while ago...

I still haven't got my answer...
Can you answer it, please? No long posts, just an answer.

Is Batmite equal to the ALE being, or Darkseid with the ALE?

The Ale being isn't part of the Discussion. We are talking purely about what DS describes as the power of the ALE. He has discribed the power of Batmite likened to the ALE. In another story, He had a piece of paper with mxy+batmite=ALE written on it. It was purely a coversation amongs some people about how powerful the ALE was based purely on speculation since the ALE hasn't been used alot in it's current depiction.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Ale being isn't part of the Discussion. We are talking purely about what DS describes as the power of the ALE. He has discribed the power of Batmite likened to the ALE. In another story, He had a piece of paper with mxy+batmite=ALE written on it. It was purely a coversation amongs some people about how powerful the ALE was based purely on speculation since the ALE hasn't been used alot in it's current depiction. Wasn't that piece of paper, from an Elseworlds, (I forget)?

So, is that Darkseid with the ALE, or is it just the ALE being?
All I ask...

I'm pretty sure he is talking about the full ALE being, is he not?

Originally posted by bigbran
Wasn't that piece of paper, from an Elseworlds, (I forget)?

So, is that Darkseid with the ALE, or is it just the ALE being?
All I ask...

I'm pretty sure he is talking about the full ALE being, is he not?

We are going by current depiction of the ALE. and Else worlds are cannon. IC legitimized every Elseworld's story, Thus cannonizing the story. And since there is only one mxy and batmite, the story is about them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We are going by current depiction of the ALE. and Else worlds are cannon. IC legitimized every Elseworld's story, Thus cannonizing the story. And since there is only one mxy and batmite, the story is about them. Yes, but Darkseid doesn't have the full power of the ALE being!

Wait, if all universes are canon now, then why is there a Kingdom Come Spectre?
And, where has it been stated right on paper, that IC canonized all of them?

Ugh... it was a simple question, that is now going completely off topic...

OK, here is my take, since it will never be answered unless I go first...

If Batmite (or Mxy with him... stupid inaccurate writing...)= ALE, and Darkseid is lower in power to the ALE, then I don't see how it is really relevent...
Also, all this is Darkseid talking about it, and until he backs it up, then it shouldn't be useable...

Now if Darkseid had the full power of that ALE being...

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but Darkseid doesn't have the full power of the ALE being!

Wait, if all universes are canon now, then why is there a Kingdom Come Spectre?
And, where has it been stated right on paper, that IC canonized all of them?

Ugh... it was a simple question, that is now going completely off topic...

OK, here is my take, since it will never be answered unless I go first...

If Batmite (or Mxy with him... stupid inaccurate writing...)= ALE, and Darkseid is lower in power to the ALE, then I don't see how it is really relevent...
Also, all this is Darkseid talking about it, and until he backs it up, then it shouldn't be useable...

Now if Darkseid had the full power of that ALE being...
Bran the ALE is not a being who ever wrote Cosmic Odyssey is a dumbass. The ALE is an equation and going by Seven Soldiers Darkseid has complete knowledge over it.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Bran the ALE is not a being who ever wrote Cosmic Odyssey is a dumbass. The ALE is an equation and going by Seven Soldiers Darkseid has complete knowledge over it. I liked the being though...
So, when did it get ret-conned?

the ALE wasn't as good as you think

thanos

Originally posted by Estacado
Bran the ALE is not a being who ever wrote Cosmic Odyssey is a dumbass. The ALE is an equation and going by Seven Soldiers Darkseid has complete knowledge over it. Cosmic Odyssey was written by Starlin, same doing the Death of the New Gods series.

And he doesn't have the whole equation yet, but has enough of it to use it.


And events from Cosmic Odyssey were mentioned recently as well.

Thanos wins this thread very easily. Mr Miracle has the ale and it is nowhere near as versatile as the ig.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos wins this thread very easily. Mr Miracle has the ale and it is nowhere near as versatile as the ig.

Agreed. IG>>ALE