The One Above All vs. The Presence

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Entity
I'm sure someone has done this but once again I couldn't find a thread for this specifically. So which is greater.

I'm going to have to go stalemate but, I want to see your opinions to the topic. I did see the thread in the comic book forum about the presence not being the DC's one above all but, you tell me what you think!

Howard_Jones
They're basically the same thing.

darthgoober
Now you went and started it.

Howard_Jones
Now you've just gotta wait for the battle of DC fanboys vs Marvel fanboys shouting

"MY UINEVERRSE IS BETTER!"

Thanos_THOTU
The name of the One Above All don't means a jack shit!
There's a Celestial with exactly the same name ...

However while the Presence is a fictional character, the One Above All is the writer.

TOAA wins

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The name of the One Above All don't means a jack shit!
There's a Celestial with exactly the same name ...

However while the Presence is a fictional character, the One Above All is the writer.

TOAA wins

Essentially, you're saying Jack Kirby and Stan Lee win, right?

Honestly, the same can be the same for the presence. Let me show you how:

Superman is important to the Presence:

Why?

Superman is the top selling character and the first written Superhero in the real world. So, if they got rid of Superman, the company would fall to crap. In the DC world, it would fall apart.

See the similarity?

bigbran
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The name of the One Above All don't means a jack shit!
There's a Celestial with exactly the same name ...

However while the Presence is a fictional character, the One Above All is the writer.

TOAA wins You do realize that TOAA appeared in a comic, so that means he was fictional too!

Entity
Originally posted by darthgoober
Now you went and started it.

Just in the mood for a good debate.

Entity
Damn in the minute that it took me to type that there were like 5 post.
What have I done?war

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by bigbran
You do realize that TOAA appeared in a comic, so that means he was fictional too!
Just an avatar of, him, to symbolize him.

However, if this is Vertigo Presence he's royaly screwed. cool

darthgoober
Ok, both beings are absolutely supreme within the realms of their creation, so their power is essentially equal. It can be argued that TOAA has created more on panel, but that doesn't really denote a lack of power on part of the Presence so much as inclination, so stalemate.

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Essentially, you're saying Jack Kirby and Stan Lee win, right?

Honestly, the same can be the same for the presence. Let me show you how:

Superman is important to the Presence:

Why?

Superman is the top selling character and the first written Superhero in the real world. So, if they got rid of Superman, the company would fall to crap. In the DC world, it would fall apart.

See the similarity?
When the hack does the Presence say that Superman's important to him?

Thanos_THOTU
This should also be in the post http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=430472&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

hunbu04
TOAA IS NOT EQUAL TO THE PRESENCE HE IS THE EQUAL TO THE SOURCE

hunbu04
LUCIFER WAS NOT TALKING TO THE PRESENCE HE WAS TALKING TO THE SOURCE

Mrrungo Mu
Turn off the caps.

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by hunbu04
LUCIFER WAS NOT TALKING TO THE PRESENCE HE WAS TALKING TO THE SOURCE
So Lucifer's creator is the source?

Entity
I know I'm probably gonna get reemed for this but here goes.
I thought the source was the presence. Aren't they one and the same?

Thanos_THOTU
Only the supreme being of DC would be able to stalemate TOAA.
Just like illutraited in Marvel vs DC (pre-retcon - non canon)

Mr Master
Do yourselves a favor yall, and READ these scans...

Then you'll know the POWER of TOAA!



TOAA makes a special appearance

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3130/1mq2.th.jpg


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1446/2wm1.th.jpg


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5131/3rl3.th.jpg


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2638/4ng6.th.jpg

tiakocom
Originally posted by Mr Master
Do yourselves a favor yall, and READ these scans...

Then you'll know the POWER of TOAA!



TOAA makes a special appearance

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3130/1mq2.th.jpg


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1446/2wm1.th.jpg


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5131/3rl3.th.jpg


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2638/4ng6.th.jpg



this is to good and so true laughing laughing laughing laughing

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The name of the One Above All don't means a jack shit!
There's a Celestial with exactly the same name ...

However while the Presence is a fictional character, the One Above All is the writer.

TOAA wins

no
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manofsteel75p21iw1.jpg

The Presence + Head Editor of DC comics

Head Editor > Writer
and anyways the "writers" in DC comcis are the Fates as seen in Our Worlds at War

Entity
I thought TOAA was Stan Lee. Jack Kirby was the creator right?

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Devil Lance
no
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manofsteel75p21iw1.jpg

The Presence = Head Editor of DC comics

Head Editor > Writer
and anyways the "writers" in DC comcis are the Fates as seen in Our Worlds at War

Mr Master
Originally posted by Entity
I thought TOAA was Stan Lee. Jack Kirby was the creator right?

That is Stan Lee, I just posted as the TOAA.

Jack Kirby is what the Artist of this issue depicted the "god" of Marvel as:


1.GOD/"the Artist" (Jack Kirby presumably)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6721/godte6.th.jpg


1.TOAA/"the Writer" (Stan Lee presumably)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5329/toaahd8.th.jpg

God/Jack calls him his "Collaborator".....

It makes sense....

TOAA/Stan (or the Writer) lays down the Story/Laws of Marvel.

GOD/Jack (or the Artist) turns those Stories/Laws into reality.

King Kandy
TOAA (Stan Lee) has absolute knowlege of the fact that he is not just a company vreation, but part of the company himself.


He's not a writing, he's the wRITER.

So he has levels of knowledge and power undrempt of by the presence.

jasofisc
Stan lee would totally kick that other guy's but. Seriously though hasn't the presence been killed before, by the saint of killers. So what i'm saying is that if one has been killed and the other has not shouldn't that stand as the one supreme being is better then the other.

Soljer
Originally posted by jasofisc
Stan lee would totally kick that other guy's but. Seriously though hasn't the presence been killed before, by the saint of killers. So what i'm saying is that if one has been killed and the other has not shouldn't that stand as the one supreme being is better then the other.

Good point! In fact, I remember the Living Tribunal being killed on panel before.

But I've NEVER seen Squirrel Girl killed on panel.

By your logic....

Blind
This is true... but Squirrel Girl has taken out Thanos and Deadpool. Right? So... maybe she should be called, "Squirrel Girl, the Presence above the one who is above all." Get it?

jasofisc
squirrel girl is a real god she could take real people

jasofisc
anyway the point is that both should be unkillable but only one has proven it

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Soljer
Good point! In fact, I remember the Living Tribunal being killed on panel before.

But I've NEVER seen Squirrel Girl killed on panel.

By your logic....


Thats a vertigo series
evrtigo presence does not equal DC presence

jasofisc
ok

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by hunbu04
TOAA IS NOT EQUAL TO THE PRESENCE HE IS THE EQUAL TO THE SOURCE


BULLLL FKNN SHHITTTTTTT !


Classic Beyonder makes the Source look like a fkn joke, and TOAA is way above Classic Beyonder.

Please stop pitting bullshit like this again.

nvrbeenwthagirl
This debate is silly. They are equals as they are both Supreme. There is nothing one can do that the other cannot. To that end, fan boys can argue for thier favorite "god" until the end of time. There is absolutely nothing that is out of reach for either. TOAA CANNOT do anything the Presence cannot replicate or exceed and vice versa.

Galan777
I hate these kind of threads, they are completely pointless........ Too much personal oppinion of what "God" is, and what his power should be gets brought into it.

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Devil Lance
no
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manofsteel75p21iw1.jpg

The Presence + Head Editor of DC comics

Head Editor > Writer
and anyways the "writers" in DC comcis are the Fates as seen in Our Worlds at War
I don't see the name Presence ...

Galan777
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I don't see the name Presence ... What do you think the title "Supreme Being" means?

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Galan777
What do you think the title "Supreme Being" means?
Ehh ... I just proved that Presence wasnt the supreme being in DC ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=430472&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Priest
Marvel is cooler, therfore TOAA wins stick out tongue

Galan777
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Ehh ... I just proved that Presence wasnt the supreme being in DC ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=430472&perpage=20&pagenumber=1 Dude, the Superme being in that scan is the writer, the scan from Lucifer really means nothing in this argument.

Thats like saying that a character drawn by a writer could beat the writer. How much friggin sense does that make?

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Galan777
Dude, the Superme being in that scan is the writer, the scan from Lucifer really means nothing in this argument.

Thats like saying that a character drawn by a writer could beat the writer. How much friggin sense does that make?
I said ... The writer is supreme, but the character isn't Presence is a character.
That writer is not the Presence.

Galan777
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I said ... The writer is supreme, but the character isn't Presence is a character.
That writer is not the Presence. Exactly, and the character in that scan was who?

The writer wink

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Galan777
Exactly, and the character in that scan was who?

The writer wink
The character is the writer ...

Galan777
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The character is the writer ... yes

Thanos_THOTU
No, it's not the wrtier, it's an avatar of the writer ... Just like Stan Lee's and Jack Kirby's avatar's

Galan777
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No, it's not the wrtier, it's an avatar of the writer ... Just like Stan Lee's and Jack Kirby's avatar's Ill give ya that, but can you say that this isnt the true supreme being (the writer)?

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1993/1gt1.th.jpg

As silly as it is, you cant argue that this really isnt DC's supreme being.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Ehh ... I just proved that Presence wasnt the supreme being in DC ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=430472&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
You just proved he wasn't eternal. That's it.

guy222
Originally posted by Entity
I'm sure someone has done this but once again I couldn't find a thread for this specifically. So which is greater.

I'm going to have to go stalemate but, I want to see your opinions to the topic. I did see the thread in the comic book forum about the presence not being the DC's one above all but, you tell me what you think!

=

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by King Kandy
You just proved he wasn't eternal. That's it.


Yahweh claimed he WAS eternal in that post.

He has been shaped by outside forces...most likely the writers. Yahweh himself is NOT the writer, however.


TOAA is

nvrbeenwthagirl
Are we talking about the Presence in DCU or the Presence of Vertigo? Who is the one above all? is it kirby or stan? or any writer at the time? This would lesson his power if it was simply the writer. with absolute definition of who he is. I need more data for a good assessment.

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are we talking about the Presence in DCU or the Presence of Vertigo? Who is the one above all? is it kirby or stan? or any writer at the time? This would lesson his power if it was simply the writer. with absolute definition of who he is. I need more data for a good assessment.


He was actually referring to Yahweh in Vertigo, although Presence' true form in DC has not been revealed....

qqqqqqq
both are equal, jack kirby would just erase off stan lee's stories and stan lee would erase off kirby's drawings.

guy222
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
both are equal, jack kirby would just erase off stan lee's stories and stan lee would erase off kirby's drawings.

always what the writers illustrate and editors approve smokin'

nvrbeenwthagirl
in DC, the Supreme being was shown as the Editor of all things Superman. Of course SUperman comics run the DC universe. Tho it looks like that is changing and DC maybe trying to diversify it's characters a little. Anyway, They are equal as they both have infnite power to do anything.

qqqqqqq
the pressence loses to the absence everytime when a guy comes in late for school. big grin

guy222
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
the pressence loses to the absence everytime when a guy comes in late for school. big grin

i am always on time wink

Lord Urizen
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
the pressence loses to the absence everytime when a guy comes in late for school. big grin



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