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Ok, maybe this title and the idea behind it are a little bit lofty. Maybe they go too far, and risk arrogance in a subject that was born in the minds and imaginations of dreamers and children. But, hey, the stories we all loved and followed have evolved.

Along with the evolution of the stories and characters, the subject matter and level of scientific understanding that the stories demand, are forcing our basic knowledge and understanding of the world around us to evolve as well.

In other words, if we are going to pay the money we pay, for materials that we love, we should demand that the writers know what they are writing about. And, if we are going to spend hours debating the subject matter with other Comic Book Lovers, we should all have a basic grip on the environment our characters dwell in.

So, without further interruption, I introduce to you, “the Omniverse”.

Maybe some of you will dig it! Maybe some don’t really care about the details behind the pictures and words.

Regardless. Here is my attempt to reveal that which has caused so many arguments, misinterpretations, and faux pas.

The 2 Major Missions of this Thread will be to:

1. Create a model based on The Structure of the Omniverse that can be followed by Comic Book Debaters.
2. Create a model detailing the hierarchy, titles and designations of the various Abstract Entities, Cosmic Authorities, Mystic Gods etc., of the Comic World.

Good Luck! You guys are gonna need it.

Debate is welcome! But, remember, the heart of this thread, is the Truth. Not Opinion.

Opinions are like the Sphincters of Rectal Orifices. Yup! Everybody has one. Unless you are using one of those “bag things”… but, no need to go there.

Anyway, I will begin with some of the information I have thrown down in other posts. I would not say that I am to be blindly listened to. But, the stuff I created is a pretty good place to start.

The most basic, and most important point to view this from, is that ALL comic book Universes are a part of their own, respective Multiverses.

For instance, it could be said that the DC and Marvel Universes are actually part of a DC Multiverse and a Marvel Multiverse.

For those of you that are knowledgeable about DC continuity, you may say there is only a DC Universe now.
I’m not sure, and clarifications are welcome. But, for the sake of this thread, we will say there is a DC Multiverse. Even if it has a Population of 1 Universe.

Whatever the case may be, these Multiverses are contained within an Omniverse.

Again. We will:

1. Create a Map that will help us see this gigantic realm of Comic Book Worlds.

and

2. List all the Comic Book "Big Boys". Specter, Eternity, Galactus, etc.
We will list them, and connect them with the realms they wander.

For the sake of discussion within these threads, (and our own peace of mind), we should have a common understanding of the structure of the Omniverse, and all "Realms" within.

I like the idea of using the term "Realm" as an umbrella statement that covers all types of Localized Existence. The properties of a Realm usually have no impact, relation or significance to any other Realm. In other words, as we all know, if you slip into a pocket dimension, although, from inside, it COULD seem to be the size of an entire Universe, it is still, technically, WITHIN it's Core Universe. And, from outside, could seem relatively minute. It could be considered a type of
Tesseract.

Please note that most of these terms are recognized in the sciences. A "Realm" can be a/an:

1. Omniverse- Containing Multiverses.
2. Multiverse- Containing Universes.
3. Universe- Containing Galaxies and Known Space from within it's
Universal Boundry. Also, possibly containing, in some
manner, other Dimensions, Microverses and Realms.
4. Timeline Divergent- Omniverse, Multiverse, Universe.
5. Miniverse- A Single Universe as a Core with All connected Pocket
Dimensions, Microverses, Subdimensions and
SubMicroverses spaning from each larger Realm.
6. Dimension- A Realm that is somehow connected to the Core
Universe. Can be Mystic or Physical in nature.
examples (Cyttorak's Realm and Negative Zone)
Each of these can Spawn, View or Lead To other Realms
7. Microverse- Technically, just a different Dimension, spawned from
the Core. Tesseract, or version of? Contained in
the "Inner Space" of a Core Universe.

If I am within the Negative Zone, observing the Birth of a Universe, I am standing:

1. In a Realm that is an Offshoot or Pocket Dimension
who's Core Universe is the 616.
2. Either, looking at the birth of a Universe within the Negative Zone
because it's physical laws and size and dimensions allow
for "Universes" to exist within it. Or, possibly looking through a
Portal at an entirely separate Core Universe, Pocket Universe,
Multiverse, etc.
But, if it is a universe within the Negative Zone, it is still a
SubUniverse contained within the Core.

The point to being a separate Dimension, Universe, Reality, etc, is that it's physical and mystic laws may have nothing in common with the Core.
A Different Dimension can have Different Dimensions, (meaning properties). Cyttorak's realm may seem to be a small pocket dimension. Yet, once within, it may be literally "Endless".

Miniverse -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 Core 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Multiverse

So, if Marvel Universe 616 is a Core Universe:
We look within, it will have it's own Pocket Dimensions and possibly Universes, all contained in it. The 616 Miniverse.
Outside of the 616 Universe, is the Multiverse it exists in. The Marvel Multiverse?

I hate to be the one to point this out, but DC and Marvel don't share an omniverse. I know it doesn't really make sense because the omniverse is supposed to be EVERYTHING, but the companies are completely separate in and of themselves. Otherwise, the Chaos Wave(which was stated to be an omniversal threat) would have been a threat to DC also. Think about it, if the companies shared an omniverse, that would mean that the Chaos Wave(which was an omniversal threat) would have been beyond the power of TOAA to stop. Think of it like this, if Marvel had decided to shut down and close the company, and their method of doing this was to leave the Chaos Wave unchecked and have it destroy the entire omniverse on-panel, would that mean that DC would have to shut down too since all of their characters were destroyed?

By the same token, since Pre Recton Beyonder was stated to be everything outside of Marvel's multiverse, that would mean that he was composed of everything in DC also(including the Source). So for events like The Secret Wars & Secret Wars 2, DC shouldn't have been able to produce any of their own books, because all of the beings in DC were messing around in Marvel.

So the companies each have their own omniverse, independent of one each other, until they acknowledge that they will abide by the others decisions regardin the omniverse.

Alternate Timelines


Here is the big pain:

Ok, according to the “Comic Lords”, and yeah, some scientists, for ever action, everywhere in the universe, there are a myriad of other possible actions that could have taken place.

For every one of these possible actions, a new universe is splintered off of the main, Core Universe.

Be that as it may, it causes a lot of problems.

If this is how it works out here, in the “exterior” of a universe, the entire Omniverse would be a solid block of Multiverses and Universes, because it would almost instantly create an infinite number of Splintered Alternate Timeline Realities.

So, that obviously is not the case.

With that in mind, these Alternate Timelines must be getting birthed in pocket dimensions of their own. Or else, they may be showing up in a Dimension that exists expressly for this purpose, and can hold an unlimited number of realities. Or, maybe they are popping up outside of our Omniverse. Or, maybe it is something totally different that is happening.

What do you guys think?

Whatever the case is, they are not a part of the “Outer Space” of the Marvel or DC Multiverses. There just ain’t no mo’ room out here!

So, they have to be going Inside.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I hate to be the one to point this out, but DC and Marvel don't share an omniverse. I know it doesn't really make sense because the omniverse is supposed to be EVERYTHING, but the companies are completely separate in and of themselves. Otherwise, the Chaos Wave(which was stated to be an omniversal threat) would have been a threat to DC also. Think about it, if the companies shared an omniverse, that would mean that the Chaos Wave(which was an omniversal threat) would have been beyond the power of TOAA to stop. Think of it like this, if Marvel had decided to shut down and close the company, and their method of doing this was to leave the Chaos Wave unchecked and have it destroy the entire omniverse on-panel, would that mean that DC would have to shut down too since all of their characters were destroyed?

By the same token, since Pre Recton Beyonder was stated to be everything outside of Marvel's multiverse, that would mean that he was composed of everything in DC also(including the Source). So for events like The Secret Wars & Secret Wars 2, DC shouldn't have been able to produce any of their own books, because all of the beings in DC were messing around in Marvel.

So the companies each have their own omniverse, independent of one each other, until they acknowledge that they will abide by the others decisions regardin the omniverse.
Great! It has started.

That may be. If it is, fine.

I will give us a way out. We can say that the Separate Omniverses exists within an all-encompassing Megaverse or Macroverse.

Let's see what other people have to say about your statement first, because I don't think I should chime in yet. There are more knowledgeable people in here than me.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I hate to be the one to point this out, but DC and Marvel don't share an omniverse. I know it doesn't really make sense because the omniverse is supposed to be EVERYTHING, but the companies are completely separate in and of themselves. Otherwise, the Chaos Wave(which was stated to be an omniversal threat) would have been a threat to DC also. Think about it, if the companies shared an omniverse, that would mean that the Chaos Wave(which was an omniversal threat) would have been beyond the power of TOAA to stop. Think of it like this, if Marvel had decided to shut down and close the company, and their method of doing this was to leave the Chaos Wave unchecked and have it destroy the entire omniverse on-panel, would that mean that DC would have to shut down too since all of their characters were destroyed?

By the same token, since Pre Recton Beyonder was stated to be everything outside of Marvel's multiverse, that would mean that he was composed of everything in DC also(including the Source). So for events like The Secret Wars & Secret Wars 2, DC shouldn't have been able to produce any of their own books, because all of the beings in DC were messing around in Marvel.

So the companies each have their own omniverse, independent of one each other, until they acknowledge that they will abide by the others decisions regardin the omniverse.

actually they do share an omniverse. omniverse also includes our (meaning yours and mine) reality as well as every fiction devised. what they don't share are multiverses.

to my knowledge, no threat in either company has ever been omniversal. the chaos wave was most definitely not omniversal. pre-retcon beyonder doesn't exist, because that's the nature of a retcon. everything he did was illusion.

Very detailed beyond my knowledge.

... that you take from online bios.

Originally posted by golem370
Very detailed beyond my knowledge.
No it's not. You're smart.

Omniverse has EVERYTHING in it. It is filled with Multiverses.

Each Comic Book Company that deals with Multiple Universes can be considered a Separate Multiverse.

Each Core Universe can be filled with Pocket Dimensions, Micro-Universes or Alternate Realities.

I will create an Image of all this.

Originally posted by manorastroman
actually they do share an omniverse. omniverse also includes our (meaning yours and mine) reality as well as every fiction devised. what they don't share are multiverses.

to my knowledge, no threat in either company has ever been omniversal. the chaos wave was most definitely not omniversal. pre-retcon beyonder doesn't exist, because that's the nature of a retcon. everything he did was illusion.
The Chaos Wave was most definitely an omniversal threat(though I will give you the thing about the Beyonder's recton). Jim Jaspers was also an omniversal threat.

Unless the companies get together and agree to abide by each others decisions regarding the omniverse, they have to be considered to reside in their own, it's just that simple. Let's say I go out tomorrow and start a small independent comic company. Well, by your definition, my company would automatically be part of the established omniverse, right? Well, let's say that after a couple of years my company's going under, and(being angry about losing my business) I use the last issue I publish to have an omniversal threat destroy the omniverse on panel. Does that mean that DC and Marvel have to close down, or even acknowledge the event? NO. Because they aren't bound by my decisions regarding the omniverse in any way shape or form. So they completely ignore the event(justifiably), safe in their own omniverses, away from any decisions that I make.

Please, if possible, supply any scans that include the terminology of "Omniverse".

If it is valid, we will just move up a notch, and start at Megaverse or Macroverse, to be safe. It, THAT will include the separate Omniverses.

If it has to be done.

I got to go find the stuff about the chaos wave, but here's a scan of Merlin talking about Jim Jaspers being a threat to the omniverse...

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/461/jas1ig2.th.jpg

Originally posted by Horrificus
Please, if possible, supply any scans that include the terminology of "Omniverse".

If it is valid, we will just move up a notch, and start at Megaverse or Macroverse, to be safe. It, THAT will include the separate Omniverses.

If it has to be done. "in all the omniverse, there is not one universe that I cannot destroy at the touch of a switch."

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8tr6.jpg

Originally posted by Galan777
"in all the omniverse, there is not one universe that I cannot destroy at the touch of a switch."

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8tr6.jpg
Good one Galan.

Well, they seem to throw the term around a lot, but it doesn't show any power over, or interaction on an Omniversal Level.

Which means, they are talking about the Omniverse, but then they are talking about how they can effect individual universes.

Is there anything showing anybody doing anything on an Omniversal Level? Remember, that would consisit of effecting "Multiverses" the way that character was talking about effecting "Universes".

Know what I mean?

wow okay i am so confused now . . . the omniverse is all comics combined marvel, dc, etc . . . or not? in fact what is it? i have have heard so many different deffinitions hmm

Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, they seem to throw the term around a lot, but it doesn't show any power over, or interaction on an Omniversal Level.

Which means, they are talking about the Omniverse, but then they are talking about how they can effect individual universes.

Is there anything showing anybody doing anything on an Omniversal Level? Remember, that would consisit of effecting "Multiverses" the way that character was talking about effecting "Universes".

Know what I mean? You asked where an omniverse has been mentioned. It seems like now you are dismissing the fact that the omniverse has been mentioned in Marvel continuity.

Having no omniversal feats dosen't mean that there isnt an omniverse in Marvel. It just means that no one has really effected it "yet"

The term Omniverse was invented at the same time as the DC vs marvel took place.
First it was supose to be all of Marvel and DC combinded.
Later they said it was the term for every possible universe, Marvel, DC; Image, Dark Horse and even our own reality.
Of course this did not last.
And at least the Marvel Megaverse was dubbed to the Omniverse.
And the Megaverse was just an other name for the Multiverse. - Just to specify that it was all universes in Marvel and just not one.

so when reffering to the omniverse it is all multiverses of Marvel only? not DC or any other comics etc . . . ?

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
so when reffering to the omniverse it is all multiverses of Marvel only? not DC or any other comics etc . . . ? Well technically Marvel has its own Omniverse (infinite ammount of Multiverses)

and DC has........... whatever it has.

okay . . . sorry to sound like a lost puppy butit is easy to get confused everyone says something different! or you hear one thing and then it changes however thanks for clearing that up!

Originally posted by Galan777
Well technically Marvel has its own Omniverse (infinite ammount of Multiverses)

and DC has........... whatever it has.
No the Omniverse is an infinity amount of universe's, if not, then post proof or GTFO

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No the Omniverse is an infinity amount of universe's, if not, then post proof or GTFO Who are you again?

Did you not see the scan speaking of an Omniverse within Marvel?

And explain the difference between an infinite ammount of universes, and an infinite ammount of multiverses, they seem like they add up to the same....

Originally posted by Galan777
Who are you again?

Did you not see the scan speaking of an Omniverse within Marvel?

And explain the difference between an infinite ammount of universes, and an infinite ammount of multiverses, they seem like much the same to me....
There a switch for every universe in the omniverse ...
Can't you read?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
There a switch for every universe in the omniverse ...
Can't you read? the scan said, he could destroy every universe in the omniverse with the flip of a switch. Can you read?

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8tr6.jpg

Ok, I'm going to straiten this whole thing out right now.

Let's say for a minute that the omniverse actually is EVERYTHING. Meaning all comic companies, all works of fiction, AND the "real" world we live in. Ok, check out this little thing I just wrote....

Once upon a time, there was this crazy wizard who hated everyone, so he decided to kill them all. He spent years gather magical energies and preparing one huge spell to take them all out. He then unleashed the spell and destroyed the ENTIRE omniverse(the ACTUAL omniverse to, the sum of EVERYTHING, all comics, fictions, and everything else).

THE END


Wow, we're still here. That's odd, cause we're supposedly apart of the same omniverse. And why haven't Marvel and DC shut down? I destroyed all their characters just now. Could it be because even though my omniverse was supposed to include EVERYTHING, it was actually separate from from the omniverse's present in comics, and the real world, even though the concept goes against the strict definition of the word omniverse?

Hmm... Interesting.

Originally posted by Galan777
the scan said, he could destroy every universe in the omniverse with the flip of a switch. Can you read?

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8tr6.jpg
I didn't quote exactly but eitherhow, the point was proven, for each universe.

´In all the omniverse there is not one universe that I can destroy at the touch of a switch.´
Read again ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I didn't quote exactly but eitherhow, the point was proven, for each universe.

´In all the omniverse there is not one universe that I can destroy at the touch of a switch.´
Read again ...
So he could destroy DC if he wanted to? And DC would have to abide by that?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I didn't quote exactly but eitherhow, the point was proven, for each universe.

´In all the omniverse there is not one universe that I can destroy at the touch of a switch.´
Read again ... that was him personally saying that HE could destroy ANY universe in the omniverse.

Thats beside the point, Marvel has an omniverse and its either composed of an infinite ammount of multiverses or an infinite ammount of universes, but either way that adds up to the same thing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, I'm going to straiten this whole thing out right now.

Let's say for a minute that the omniverse actually is EVERYTHING. Meaning all comic companies, all works of fiction, AND the "real" world we live in. Ok, check out this little thing I just wrote....

Once upon a time, there was this crazy wizard who hated everyone, so he decided to kill them all. He spent years gather magical energies and preparing one huge spell to take them all out. He then unleashed the spell and destroyed the ENTIRE omniverse(the ACTUAL omniverse to, the sum of EVERYTHING, all comics, fictions, and everything else).

THE END


Wow, we're still here. That's odd, cause we're supposedly apart of the same omniverse. And why haven't Marvel and DC shut down? I destroyed all their characters just now. Could it be because even though my omniverse was supposed to include EVERYTHING, it was actually separate from from the omniverse's present in comics, and the real world, even though the concept goes against the strict definition of the word omniverse?

Hmm... Interesting.
They pre-retconned the event.
They said the brother's were the two most powerful being that could ever potential exist throughout the omniverse.
It's like saying, Pre-retcon Amalgam Bros could take down:
MoM, PR Beyonder, GEB and a lot of more God over comic's/fiction's ect. Like nothing at all.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They pre-retconned the event.
They said the brother's were the two most powerful being that could ever potential exist throughout the omniverse.
It's like saying, Pre-retcon Amalgam Bros could take down:
MoM, PR Beyonder, GEB and a lot of more God over comic's/fiction's ect. Like nothing at all.
Yes but if EVERYTHING is a part of the same omniverse, then my destroying the omniverse(cannon to me), should have taken effect. The only possible explanation is that despite what I put down, the omniverse I was talking about was separate from everything else. It would be separate because I have NO jurisdiction over the event. Hence, they have their OWN omniverse which is untouchable by anyone but themselves.

Originally posted by Galan777
that was him personally saying that HE could destroy ANY universe in the omniverse.

Thats beside the point, Marvel has an omniverse and its either composed of an infinite ammount of multiverses or an infinite ammount of universes, but either way that adds up to the same thing.
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8tr6ul0.jpg
He would have to turn a lot of switches down to equal infinity, don'tu think?
The omniverse now seems to be like te old beyond realm, it's in that place Roma and Merlyn hangs out.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8tr6ul0.jpg
He would have to turn a lot of switches down to equal infinity, don'tu think?
The omniverse now seems to be like te old beyond realm, it's in that place Roma and Merlyn hangs out. OK, he didnt say he was going to destroy the omniverse, he said that he could destroy any universe within the omniverse that he wanted to.

Read the scan carefully

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but if EVERYTHING is a part of the same omniverse, then my destroying the omniverse(cannon to me), should have taken effect. The only possible explanation is that despite what I put down, the omniverse I was talking about was separate from everything else. It would be separate because I have NO jurisdiction over the event. Hence, they have their OWN omniverse which is untouchable by anyone but themselves.
Marvel would be sued down to hell if they even said that it contained an other fiction's comic.
That's one of the reasons why DC v M was retconed.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Marvel would be sued down to hell if they even said that it contained an other fiction's comic.
That's one of the reasons why DC v M was retconed.
So that means that it's omniverse is seperate from the others.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So that means that it's omniverse is seperate from the others.
Yes ...
Marvel and DC don't have the right to say thet their supreme beings are more 'supreme' than anyone elses. - At least not canon-wise.
So they had to retcon it.

But now the Omniverse seems to be a realm, from where you can control all the universes in Marvel.
Like with Merlyn and captain Britain.
Jim Jasper's where a threat to the Omniverse, he was actually a threat to just that realm.
It was said that the wielder of Excalibur could rewrite cosmos. Not the omniverse as some say.
And the chaos wave could reach that realm.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes ...
Marvel and DC don't have the right to say thet their supreme beings are more 'supreme' than anyone elses. - At least not canon-wise.
So they had to retcon it.

But now the Omniverse seems to be a realm, from where you can control all the universes in Marvel.
Like with Merlyn and captain Britain.
Jim Jasper's where a threat to the Omniverse, he was actually a threat to just that realm.
It was said that the wielder of Excalibur could rewrite cosmos. Not the omniverse as some say.
And the chaos wave could reach that realm.
Well my whole point all along has been that Marvel and DC have separate omniverse's independent of each other(meaning that they can't be lumped into a single omniverse that contains all comics). So cool.

Ok ok, let me just stop the madness.


This thread while honorable in it's attempt is causing mass confusion.


Marvel has it's own Omni-verse, period.

DC, as far as I know, has NEVER mentioned the word Omni-verse.


In Marvel, the Omni-verse is an Infinite amount of Multi-verses, or ALL the Multi-verses in Marvel, period.



You'll have to READ this completely if you wish to understand.


The Omniversal Architecture

When Warlock first exited the Multi-verse, he entered a place called the Cosmic Vortex.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3198/adamgoesbtwnuniverses15yh.th.jpg


In it, an INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of everlasting), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg


These are MULTI-VERSES!


When I realized that Thanos DID in fact, Absorb MORE than just a UNIVERSE, that he actually absorbed ALL he could (which is the MULTI-VERSE)

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4876/teb9kg7.th.jpg



He absorbs Eternity and Infinity and there is still Space and star stuff behind

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/741/t2gw1oa6.th.jpg
This is not a designed attack, he's saying it himself "it's Out of Control"

Like a raging drunk, who's not selective in a brawl, anything in the way goes, and with that KIND of Power, that means everything goes. (like it did)



Here it continues,



"For IF this BAND (LT, Eternity/Infinity) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4746/t6bi7.th.jpg
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"


"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2830/t7fq0.th.jpg


See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, where is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed ALL of Space and Time?

I'll answer that,


It has to be coming from the Multi-verse, there is no other way to look at it.
*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish, the rest of Space, in other words, the MULTI-VERSE)


WHO else COULD question his authority, except anyone left in the MULTI-VERSE.


CAN'T be the Universe, he just ABSORBED the Universe (Eternity/Infinity remember)




Now your saying to yourself, fine, that conclusively despicts Thanos absorbing the Multi-verse.

But Mr M showed scans of the Cosmic Vortex, where an INFINITE number of Multi-verses are,

How could Thanos have absorbed ALL he could, when he ONLY absorbed ONE Multi-verse?

Now we go back to the OMNIVERSAL structure:




The OMNI-VERSE and the rest of the Multi-verses rest with in the Cosmic Vortex.

See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...

and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...

Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....

The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8021/unilook17qj.th.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg

Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by Space & Time,
which Multi-Eternity/Infinity encompass.

See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are separate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchor's domain) are separated from the Blue Balls.

This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)

This why Thanos could not absorb more, he absorbed everything within that Blue Ball (a Multi-verse) and evidently, he could not reach any furthur

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg
"Nothing Remained"

Remember he was "Out of Control"

He kept on absorbing till there was nothing left for him to absorb (literally), HAD he been able to absorb everything Outside his Multi-verse, it would have been no problem with TOAA's power,

But Thanos was NOT able to do it, meaning that's as FAR as TOAA permitted his power to be used, absorption of a Multi-verse and Remaking that same Multi-verse, even though being the most powerful being in the Omni-verse.

Simply put,

the Omni-verse is all the Multi-verses in Marvel, nothing more.


The Living Tribunal is the Judge of ALL the Multi-verses:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2994/lt2cm.th.jpg



Marvel has an Omni-verse (an Infinite number of Multi-verses)


This is how it looks from the INSIDE:

The OMNI-VERSE

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9923/omni2cn6.th.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/211/omni3uj8.th.jpg


And


This is how it looks from the OUTSIDE:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg



And


Every Multi-verse is Infinite and every Universe within every Multi-verse is Infinite aswell:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7402/multi13vs.th.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7421/multieternity16do.th.jpg

History of the VERSUS


None of what you said was FACT, except for that Eternity started out as a single Universe,

but that was WAYYYYYYYY back in the day, (1967 is the first time we see the Universe in full, it was just an Infinite number of GALAXIES then)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8670/i1qs2.th.jpg


before Marvel expanded it's Universe into a Multi-verse in 1976, with the first issue of What If,

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3586/i2jo2.th.jpg


Then in 1983 the Omni-verse is mentioned for the first time (this is a remake of the original issue, same art, just with Color, original was Black & White)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2948/ommx4.th.jpg


At first the Omni-verse was exclusively used in Captain Britain associated titles only (though these were published by Marvel), years later it transitioned into the mainstream Marvel Reality.


And that's the History of the VERSES in Marvel,

The Omniversal Tribune can Erase any Universe they want.

"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9969/e5na4.th.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2561/e6qo5.th.jpg


"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9369/e7fg1.th.jpg


"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3205/e8tr6.th.jpg

Someone tried to dispute what I, and I alone said,

that Captain Britain or Excalibur and th Amulet of Right more specifically can RE-WRITE the Omni-verse:


Captain Britain acquires the Sword of Might (Excalibur)
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4099/r24xw9.th.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7177/r21kj5.th.jpg



Roma says, "to wield Excalibur is to Hold the HAND of GOD itself"
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7830/r22vp5.th.jpg



Excalibur, One of Two Talismen of Power, the other being the Amulet of Right, TOGETHER, their Power could sunder the Omni-verse
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7714/r23op3.th.jpg


Or Re-Write the Cosmos
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6563/ex1gj1.th.jpg


Is this hyperbole?

Well let's see the ON PANEL EVIDENCE shall we.

This is MERLIN, with the SWROD of MIGHT (Excalibur) ONLY.



Merlin with the Sword of Might (Excalibur) plays a Game of Chess with the MULTI-VERSE


Merlin and Roma begin a game of Chess and Multi-verse 616 is their Chess Board.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1920/m1rx1.th.jpg



Notice there are many Chess Boards floating around them, EACH Board representing a Multi-verse
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3724/m2nv7.th.jpg



As Merlin and Roma moved their Chess Pieces, Reality is Altered accordingly
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7885/m3yx7.th.jpg
Even Mad Jim Jaspers, (the Omniversal threat) is just One of their Game Pieces



The Game continues
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1174/m4ue9.th.jpg
Merlin realizes he underestimated the determination of the Fury (a creature created by Jaspers 238)



Merlin says, "I've missed something, I, of all people"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9338/m5sz7.th.jpg
Roma responds, "No one is infallible Father, sometimes I think a strong wind will blow you over"
Merlin replies, "Ah yes, but I MAKE the WINDS"



Roma says, "and that Father, did you make that"?
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9697/m6he3.th.jpg
That's the Fury.



As the Fury is about to kill Linda Mcquillan (Captain UK) in Multi-verse 616.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8533/m7rl3.th.jpg
Merlin protects her, by covering the Chess piece with his hands



As you can see, his hands get burned by the Fury (a creature that killed every Super hero in the 238 Universe within TWO Hours)
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/589/m8kd5.th.jpg
The Fury is in disbelief that Linda survived



Roma begins to have a vision, Jaspers was not supposed to be part of this Game she thinks, but Merlin set it up like that (later we learn he's training her for her future position as Omniversal Guardian), and if a Multi-verse has to DIE in order to prepare her properly, so be it.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1782/m9ej7.th.jpghttp://img349.imageshack.us/img349/2961/m10cr3.th.jpg
"But if this Game is Lost, I see a Universe eaten alive by Chaos, and ANOTHER Universe, and ANOTHER, like Dominos, Tumbling...I see the Future"


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"And it is Cancelled"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4643/m11lz1.th.jpg



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Roma wants to stop the Game, "with So much at stake (the 616 Multi-verse) your Play is erratic" she tells Merlin.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8279/m12an6.th.jpg
Merlin could care less though, her training is more important than ONE Multi-verse, when there's an Infinite number of Multi-verses to Protect.



Merlin gets angry at Roma for wanting to stop the Game
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9992/m13tn7.th.jpg
but Roma doesn't understand Merlin's motives completely yet



And so the Game proceeds
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4741/m14sd4.th.jpg



Merlin here begins to focus on Captain Britain, for he too is in this dangerous training and doesn't even know it.
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3286/m15en5.th.jpg



Merlin says, "I stretched your sanity to the breaking point to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy" the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2566/m16hl3.th.jpg
Merlin says about Cap. Britain, "I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"



"Merlin says, "You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg
They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers, but 616 Jaspers is "NOT so easily contained, and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"


Mad Jim jaspers in a Universe he CREATED
http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/2392/m19zi6.th.jpg


And he's JUST a PIECE in Merlin's Chess Board, LOL...



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Here in PLAIN ENGLISH:


Roma says, "The Game's disintegrating, but the MULTI-VERSE DEPENDS upon the GAME"
http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/1124/m20uy7.th.jpg
Roma thinks they've lost the 616 Multi-verse, but actually Merlin knew Jaspers would lose to the Fury, so he fakes his death and allows Roma to finish the rest.



Roma says, "It's over, the Pieces must be gathered up" (Captain Britain, Saturnyne and Captain UK)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/1679/r17po5.th.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8061/r18qc4.th.jpg
Again, what happens on Merlin and Roma's Chess board, happens in Reality.


It is quite possible that Roma was manipulating the CHAOS WAVE all along, just to see how the heroes would remedy the situation.

Heck, Merlin was a born trickster, and he loved the drama, just witness how he manipulated the whole JASPER'S event, and ol' JIM was an Omni-versal threat.

I guess it doesn't matter when you can RE-WRITE ALL of Marvel in the end.


"Merlin taught you that REALITY is a Grand Game of Chess"
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6338/rpf7.th.jpg




EVEN during the HOM, Captain Britain wasn't sure if Roma was behind it all, given the history of her Father and Mentor:

"Is this YOUR doing Roma, are you PLAYING Another of your wretched GAMES"
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1695/r2qt9.th.jpg

Continues..



And NEVER doubt that Jim Jaspers WAS an OMNIVERSAL THREAT:


Roma says, "the terror that threatened the Omni-verse is destroyed"
http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/9749/r19nw6.th.jpg
Roma gives Captain Britain, Captain UK and Saturnyne the credit



AND


When Merlin retires his title, it's Roma that takes over:


Now that Merlin is supposedly dead, Roma becomes the Omni-versal Guardian
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2638/r20ei9.th.jpg

"My hand guides the Omni-verse Now, Unlike my Father, I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"

Originally posted by darthgoober
I hate to be the one to point this out, but DC and Marvel don't share an omniverse. I know it doesn't really make sense because the omniverse is supposed to be EVERYTHING, but the companies are completely separate in and of themselves. Otherwise, the Chaos Wave(which was stated to be an omniversal threat) would have been a threat to DC also. Think about it, if the companies shared an omniverse, that would mean that the Chaos Wave(which was an omniversal threat) would have been beyond the power of TOAA to stop. Think of it like this, if Marvel had decided to shut down and close the company, and their method of doing this was to leave the Chaos Wave unchecked and have it destroy the entire omniverse on-panel, would that mean that DC would have to shut down too since all of their characters were destroyed?

By the same token, since Pre Recton Beyonder was stated to be everything outside of Marvel's multiverse, that would mean that he was composed of everything in DC also(including the Source). So for events like The Secret Wars & Secret Wars 2, DC shouldn't have been able to produce any of their own books, because all of the beings in DC were messing around in Marvel.

So the companies each have their own omniverse, independent of one each other, until they acknowledge that they will abide by the others decisions regardin the omniverse.
Ummm... riiiight.. which of course explains why JLA/ Avengers is now canon!

Originally posted by Doc Potato
Ummm... riiiight.. which of course explains why JLA/ Avengers is now canon!
It's never explained as to WHY that was able to take place. I guess it was an omniversal crossover.

ok.

Hey everybody. Thanks for the feedback.

I am sorry for not instantly agreeing with all the opinions. I am trying to make sure we put tgether something concrete.

For right now, I need to know a few things:

1. If DC is a stand alone Universe, or if they are a part of a Multiverse.

2. If there have been any storylines that involve the Omniverse in either DC or Marvel Multiverse comics. If they have both established and effected the Omniverse, we may have to create an Omniverse for each comic Multiverse. Otherwise, they can exists in the same one for now. (See the Map I attached)

3. Also, even though characters have claimed to have power over the Omniverse, or the term "Omniverse" has been used in comics, for the sake of this thread, I am debating on using anything unless there are feats associated with it. Lots of statements have been made in comments, either incorrectly, writer error, or out of undue arrogance.

I have attached an Omniversal Map that we can use temporarily, in case there are changes for us to make. This map contains the Omniverse, and focuses on Outer Space for now.
Universe
Multiverse
Omniverse

Next, I will throw something together that shows the nature of Inner Space. Only for the Universe, Marvel 616 right now, until we get more information on DC.
It will show Pocket Dimensions, Mystic Realms, "Microverses" and other Inner Space dwellings.
Alternate Timelines will be tackled in the future.
Tell me what you guys think.

those cap brit scans are cool, mm.

marvel certainly DOES have an omniverse, but the term is confusing BECAUSE it's meant different things.

if you look at each company as wholes, i guess each would be an omniverse (even though it's not been mentioned in dc, i use the term as an umbrella). initially i think each was supposed to be a megaverse, with the omniverse connecting the 2 and any other comic group.

and trying to include the 'real' world in with any comic world, regardless of size, is . . .

2 problems that have been brought up are: the canonical jla/avengers xover, and the apparent retcon of the amalgam brothers. the scan below certainly shows lt (and presumably spectre) working together and BOTH being above the brothers whom it seems were set by lt and spectre to create the marvel and dc universes that we currently know.

holy continuity confusion, batman!!

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9986/brothersls7.jpg

whats that scan from?

The amalgam brother's retcon ...

DC v.s. Marvel #1 correct?

mr master, none of those scans indicate multiple multiverses within marvel. which leads me to believe omniverse is cap britain only...has it actually been mentioned outside of excalibur titles?

as far as i know, multiverse is still the sum of marvel.

and regardless of what crusty old cap britain characters say, omniverse would be marvel, dc, image, dark horse, as well as every fiction (film, television, literature, or otherwise) and the real world.

omni.

Originally posted by manorastroman
mr master, none of those scans indicate multiple multiverses within marvel. which leads me to believe omniverse is cap britain only...has it actually been mentioned outside of excalibur titles?

as far as i know, multiverse is still the sum of marvel.

and regardless of what crusty old cap britain characters say, omniverse would be marvel, dc, image, dark horse, as well as every fiction (film, television, literature, or otherwise) and the real world.

omni.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, I'm going to straiten this whole thing out right now.

Let's say for a minute that the omniverse actually is EVERYTHING. Meaning all comic companies, all works of fiction, AND the "real" world we live in. Ok, check out this little thing I just wrote....

Once upon a time, there was this crazy wizard who hated everyone, so he decided to kill them all. He spent years gather magical energies and preparing one huge spell to take them all out. He then unleashed the spell and destroyed the ENTIRE omniverse(the ACTUAL omniverse to, the sum of EVERYTHING, all comics, fictions, and everything else).

THE END


Wow, we're still here. That's odd, cause we're supposedly apart of the same omniverse. And why haven't Marvel and DC shut down? I destroyed all their characters just now. Could it be because even though my omniverse was supposed to include EVERYTHING, it was actually separate from from the omniverse's present in comics, and the real world, even though the concept goes against the strict definition of the word omniverse?

Hmm... Interesting.

actually it's not interesting at all.

if we are to assume potential interaction on an omniversal level, then what you just wrote has probably been cancelled out a million times by some fellow who wrote "and then god declared there would be no wizard to end existance." on a lark fifty years ago.

Originally posted by Galan777
DC v.s. Marvel #1 correct?
No they were retconned later ...
In the 1st the Living Tribunal and Spectre's powers was beneth their notecing.
Blue and Red fight, causing the Omniverse (Not only DC and Marvel, but all fictional universes and even our own reality ) to be destroyed and recreated frequently,

´Each blink of an eye the entire omniverse was eradicated and restored, I have lost the desire to live, I, as with all the beings in the omniverse are just a part of them. Every thought I think, every decision I make is actually their's.´
- <A black-haired dude from DC I don't really recognize>

Their retcon was a shame though.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No they were retconned later ...
In the 1st the Living Tribunal and Spectre's powers was beneth their notecing.
Blue and Red fight, causing the Omniverse (Not only DC and Marvel, but all fictional universes and even our own reality ) to be destroyed and recreated frequently,

´Each blink of an eye the entire omniverse was eradicated and restored, I have lost the desire to live, I, as with all the beings in the omniverse are just a part of them. Every thought I think, every decision I make is actually their's.´
- <A black-haired dude from DC I don't really recognize>

Their retcon was a shame though. But the Amalgam bros. were featured in DC/Marvel #1 right?

Originally posted by Galan777
But the Amalgam bros. were featured in DC/Marvel #1 right?
1, 2, 3 and 4.

They stand for the prime feats of all fictions ever created combinded.
Omniverse wasent just Marvel and DC when the series begun.

Here's the bio.


If this wasent retconed ... Just imagion ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
1, 2, 3 and 4. Cool!

-thanks

Originally posted by Galan777
Cool!

-thanks
Edited the replay ...

Originally posted by manorastroman
mr master, none of those scans indicate multiple multiverses within marvel.

I remember you,

I've debated with you before,

your not the type I expect to understand the clear and conclusive evidence.



Originally posted by manorastroman
which leads me to believe omniverse is cap britain only...has it actually been mentioned outside of excalibur titles?

Yes it has.


X-Men:

Opal Luna Saturnyne, became the OMNIVERSAL Guardian for a short time.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7519/roma20kd.th.jpg



Fantastic Four:

Nebula disguised as Susan Richards, takes the Ultimate Nullifier and proclaims rulership over the OMNI-VERSE

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5307/o1il3.th.jpg


Originally posted by manorastroman
as far as i know, multiverse is still the sum of marvel.

yes,

we just noticed how much you know.


Originally posted by manorastroman
and regardless of what crusty old cap britain characters say, omniverse would be marvel, dc, image, dark horse, as well as every fiction (film, television, literature, or otherwise) and the real world.

Dude,

stick to hating, and leave the debating to us.

Originally posted by manorastroman
actually it's not interesting at all.

if we are to assume potential interaction on an omniversal level, then what you just wrote has probably been cancelled out a million times by some fellow who wrote "and then god declared there would be no wizard to end existance." on a lark fifty years ago.
It doesn't matter. What I wrote CAN'T be cancelled out, because I put down that the omniverse was destroyed successfully. So the only possible explanation is that the omniverse in my story is seperate from any other omniverse in existence.

What we're talking about isn't really that big of a stretch. I mean, we're talking about comic books! Most things that happen in comics are impossible, but they still apply in the comics. So what's the big deal about having more than 1 omniverse, when it's concerning two seperate companies?

thanks for the saturnyne scan, that's all i wanted to know.

except for in the nebula scan, that works against your argument. you know damn well the ultimate nullifier wasn't omniversal, at least not in any conventional definition of omniversal. it's arguable that it was even multiversal, or if it was just multi-universal.

and none of those scans are conclusive. just so you know, conclusive would mean no room for interpretation.

the big deal is the word "omni".

Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't matter. What I wrote CAN'T be cancelled out, because I put down that the omniverse was destroyed successfully. So the only possible explanation is that the omniverse in my story is seperate from any other omniverse in existence.

What we're talking about isn't really that big of a stretch. I mean, we're talking about comic books! Most things that happen in comics are impossible, but they still apply in the comics. So what's the big deal about having more than 1 omniverse, when it's concerning two seperate companies?

has the omniverse been obliterated in a marvel comic or dc comic . . .? no? then how do you KNOW if we wiped out the omniverse in comics it WOULDN'T wipe out OUR 'real' world . . .?

Originally posted by Galan777
But the Amalgam bros. were featured in DC/Marvel #1 right?

hey g,

that scan is actually from new adventures of the xmen #12. the series is not supposed to be in continuity, but the rpesence of the lt in that issue made what happened apparently canon. for those interested: that's ALSO the issue where phoenix was said to have had a part in galactus's birth. #12 showed the end of the old universe and birth of the current one . . .

ps--all's i'm saying with the scan and xovers there must be something even BIGGER than the omniverse, something that truly does engulf BOTH companies' respective worlds . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
hey g,

that scan is actually from new adventures of the xmen #12. the series is not supposed to be in continuity, but the rpesence of the lt in that issue made what happened apparently canon. for those interested: that's ALSO the issue where phoenix was said to have had a part in galactus's birth. #12 showed the end of the old universe and birth of the current one . . .
Correct ... (Nice to see that at least someone have done his homework)
In the the 4th issue mini-series the Brother's did nothing but fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
those cap brit scans are cool, mm.




They weren't appreciated by some clown.

Originally posted by leonidas
has the omniverse been obliterated in a marvel comic or dc comic . . .? no? then how do you KNOW if we wiped out the omniverse in comics it WOULDN'T wipe out OUR 'real' world . . .?














































Hey, he said ALL works of fiction. Well what I wrote was fiction, so it should have had effect.

Originally posted by leonidas
ps--all's i'm saying with the scan and xovers there must be something even BIGGER than the omniverse, something that truly does engulf BOTH companies' respective worlds . . .
Yes. The comic book industry.

Originally posted by Horrificus
1. If DC is a stand alone Universe, or if they are a part of a Multiverse.

Recent events brought up by Juntai and Leonidas point towards DC having a Multi-verse (that is, if those Comic titles are canon) cause there seems to be a power struggle between certain Writers and Editors of DC.

But for argument's sake, let's just say DC has a Multi-verse.


Now,

I'll have to be shown Proof of DC ever mentioning an Omni-verse, I already Prooved conclusively that Marvel has it's OWN Omni-verse.



Originally posted by Horrificus
2. If there have been any storylines that involve the Omniverse in either DC or Marvel Multiverse comics.

hum

Are you serious?


I just posted like a gazillion scans of Marvel's OMNI-VERSE in action.



Originally posted by Horrificus
If they have both established and effected the Omniverse,

Again,

I just posted like a gazillion scans of Marvel's OMNI-VERSE in action.


Originally posted by Horrificus
we may have to create an Omniverse for each comic Multiverse.

Count me out of this one, I'm NOT going to make up anything.

Marvel has it's OWN OMNI-VERSE!


Originally posted by Horrificus
Otherwise, they can exists in the same one for now. (See the Map I attached)


That Map is bogus and inconsequential.

Marvel has it's OWN OMNI-VERSE!

And it has NOTHING to do with DC.


Originally posted by Horrificus
3. Also, even though characters have claimed to have power over the Omniverse, or the term "Omniverse" has been used in comics, for the sake of this thread, I am debating on using anything unless there are feats associated with it.

I just posted like a gazillion scans of Marvel's OMNI-VERSE in action.


Merlin, with a bunch of MULTI-VERSES at his COMMAND!



Originally posted by Horrificus
I have attached an Omniversal Map that we can use temporarily, in case there are changes for us to make. This map contains the Omniverse, and focuses on Outer Space for now.
Universe
Multiverse
Omniverse

This Map is rubbish,

Marvel has it's OWN OMNI-VERSE!

And it has NOTHING to do with DC.



Originally posted by Horrificus
Next, I will throw something together that shows the nature of Inner Space. Only for the Universe, Marvel 616 right now, until we get more information on DC.

It will show Pocket Dimensions, Mystic Realms, "Microverses" and other Inner Space dwellings.

Tell me what you guys think.

I'll tell ya,


"Microverses"?


What the heck is that?


The ONE and ONLY Micro-verse was CREATED by the MAKERS, period.


The MAKERS took a UNIVERSE and RE-CREATED it,

the Micro-verse (which they ALSO Created) is PART of this Universe.



"They have taken the FABRIC of the COSMOS, and WOVEN it ANEW"
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6002/m2sr6.th.jpg

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9350/m3qd4.th.jpg


The MAKERS brought SOULS from all the UNIVERSES of the MUTLI-VERSE into this UNIVERSE they RE-CREATED, to give it meaning.
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6442/m4wt8.th.jpg


More proof they RESHAPED a UNIVERSE, into their OWN, and a section of that Universe was the ONE and ONLY MICRO-VERSE, which they also created
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2251/ma6yt6.th.jpg


"Why can't we look on them? ... Why can't we see the MAKERS?"
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7746/m5oi5.th.jpg


"They REAMDE the STARS, the PLANETS, the GALAXIES"
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8326/m6yk4.th.jpg
"All I want for now, is to see them"



He gets his wish:


He's allowed to see ONE of the MAKERS:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9893/m07gd2.th.jpghttp://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4824/m08ou2.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Recent events brought up by Juntai and Leonidas point towards DC having a Multi-verse (that is, if those Comic titles are canon) cause there seems to be a power struggle between certain Writers and Editors of DC.

But for argument's sake, let's just say DC has a Multi-verse.


Now,

I'll have to be shown Proof of DC ever mentioning an Omni-verse, I already Prooved conclusively that Marvel has it's OWN Omni-verse.





I normally agree with you on stuff like this(like now I agree about the separate omniverse's), but I can see the logic of acknowledging the omniverse of DC. An omniverse means everything, right? So DC's omniverse would consist of everything in DC. It would be the same for any independent companies as well. The other omniverse's may not be as large as Marvel's, but they would still be the sum of everything within their respective companies, whether it was a universe, mutiverse, or megaverse. Basically, the omniverse would be anything that they publish, and would be limited only by their own desire of scale.

Can't you just simply prove that Omniverse = Multiverse?
Because from what I've seen, the Omniverse is nothing but a realm from where you control the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by manorastroman
thanks for the saturnyne scan, that's all i wanted to know.

Your welcome.


Originally posted by manorastroman
except for in the nebula scan, that works against your argument. you know damn well the ultimate nullifier wasn't omniversal, at least not in any conventional definition of omniversal.

You asked if the Omni-verse was MENTIONED in OTHER titles besides Captain Britain,

I obliged,

Now you give me excuses cloaked by "logic?"....



Originally posted by manorastroman
it's arguable that it was even multiversal,

I think not.

It has been conclusively proven that the UN erased and remade the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.



Originally posted by manorastroman
or if it was just multi-universal.

This oughta have the Kree Empire and Darkseid's Techno Chiefs scratching their heads for years to come.



Originally posted by manorastroman
and none of those scans are conclusive. just so you know, conclusive would mean no room for interpretation.

Only a simpleton would have difficulty interpreting the obvious.


Originally posted by manorastroman
the big deal is the word "omni".

Yes,

In Marvel if you add "verse" to that you get Omni-verse,

which simply means ALL the Multi-verses in Marvel.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Can't you just simply prove that Omniverse = Multiverse?
Because from what I've seen, the Omniverse is nothing but a realm from where you control the Multi-verse.

Really,


where have you seen this?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I normally agree with you on stuff like this(like now I agree about the separate omniverse's), but I can see the logic of acknowledging the omniverse of DC. An omniverse means everything, right? So DC's omniverse would consist of everything in DC. It would be the same for any independent companies as well. The other omniverse's may not be as large as Marvel's, but they would still be the sum of everything within their respective companies, whether it was a universe, mutiverse, or megaverse. Basically, the omniverse would be anything that they publish, and would be limited only by their own desire of scale.

Makes sense,


but it's deceptive to say Omni-verse for DC, if they only have a Multi-verse.

Omni-verse, specifically means (in Marvel) an Infinite number of Multi-verses, or all the Multi-verses in Marvel.


If Multi-verse means, all the Universes in a Multi-verse, how does the term Omni-verse come into paly then?

It would read like this in DC:

Multi-verse = all the Universes in DC

Omni-verse = all the Universes in DC

That's a bit redundant wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by manorastroman
mr master, none of those scans indicate multiple multiverses within marvel. which leads me to believe omniverse is cap britain only...has it actually been mentioned outside of excalibur titles?

as far as i know, multiverse is still the sum of marvel.

and regardless of what crusty old cap britain characters say, omniverse would be marvel, dc, image, dark horse, as well as every fiction (film, television, literature, or otherwise) and the real world.

omni.
Ya see, that's what I think too.
Characters mentioning the terms "Multiverse" and "Omniverse" just isn't good enough.
Unless a Multiverse or Omnierse is shown to be effected, or unless action is occurring on a multiversal or omniversal level, why should it be considered as fact?
Maybe in the mythos of Excalibur, there is a Universe or even a Multiverse that is NAMED the Omniverse, but it is not the true Omniverse that the Marvel Universe floats in.

ummmmm

what are we inventing now?

Mr. Master... I'm not really sure why you are getting so angry and negative. But, I do know it should stop.
You call the map "rubbish" for some reason, yet it is totally correct. Except, POSSIBLY for the existence of the DC Multiverse in he same Omniverse as the Marvel Multiverse.
And, if it makes you happy, and you do more than show weak evidences, such as Nebula stating she will be the most powerful being in the Omniverse, I would be more than happy to pluck the DC Multiverse out of there!

I am not going to base the structure of all time and space on you showing me scans like that. The books can say whatever they want, but they may be wrong. The books constantly negate eachother.

While you are trying to force your personal view of what has happened on panel, I am trying to come up with a way to view EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE.

Now, please, stop Scan-Spamming, and giving your interpretations of the frames. And, also stop demeaning the input from other forum members.
I created this thread as a place to "Brainstorm" the situation, and get some ideas.
Not trounce everybody that is not on the same page as you.
As I tried to get through to you, just because a character states something, does not mean we blindly build a mythos around it.
Nebula is NOT the most powerful being in the Omniverse with the UN.
That is silly.
Out of an Infinite number of Multiverses, filled with an Infinite number of Universes, Nebula with the UN is the most powerful being? Do you hear how stupid that sounds?
Do you really want to back that statement?
Read the books.
Enjoy the books.
Use common sense when debating.

And, just so you know, the model and terms I have used for the map are all being used in the field right now. I made nothing up.

All I have done, is tried to use the model to help give trackable structure to the Comic Book Realms.

If you all decide to drop DC in a separate Omniverse, go for it.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Ya see, that's what I think too.

If you only knew who your agreeing with.



Originally posted by Horrificus
Characters mentioning the terms "Multiverse" and "Omniverse" just isn't good enough.
Unless a Multiverse or Omnierse is shown to be effected, or unless action is occurring on a multiversal or omniversal level, why should it be considered as fact?

I don't wanna say it, but you have to either be on drugs, or you have serious issues.

I'm sorry but you made me waste my time.


I just posted a plethora of SCANS involving the MULTI-VERSE that houses the 616 Universe, which was a CHESS BOARD in Merlin's Realm.


It was ARTISTICALLY DEPICTED, ON PANEL,

YES, YES ACTION!!!!



Originally posted by Horrificus
Maybe in the mythos of Excalibur, there is a Universe or even a Multiverse that is NAMED the Omniverse, but it is not the true Omniverse that the Marvel Universe floats in.


No,

maybe in the Mythos of your head, how about that.


What a nincompoop.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Mr. Master... I'm not really sure why you are getting so angry and negative. But, I do know it should stop.
You call the map "rubbish" for some reason, yet it is totally correct. Except, POSSIBLY for the existence of the DC Multiverse in he same Omniverse as the Marvel Multiverse.
And, if it makes you happy, and you do more than show weak evidences, such as Nebula stating she will be the most powerful being in the Omniverse, I would be more than happy to pluck the DC Multiverse out of there!

sign23



Originally posted by Horrificus
I am not going to base the structure of all time and space on you showing me scans like that. The books can say whatever they want, but they may be wrong. The books constantly negate eachother.

Right, the books are wrong, annnnnd....your right. hysterical2


Are you for real?



Originally posted by Horrificus
While you are trying to force your personal view of what has happened on panel, I am trying to come up with a way to view EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE.

You haven't come up with JACK!

All you've done is blahblah


with absolutely NO PROOF of ANYTHING!!!



Originally posted by Horrificus
Now, please, stop Scan-Spamming, and giving your interpretations of the frames.

It's called ON PANEL PROOF, charlie.


Yes, I know, we should stick to your soundless ideas and theories without a shred of evidence.


Originally posted by Horrificus
And, also stop demeaning the input from other forum members.

It was one member that insulted my ON PANEL PROOF FIRST.


Do you just like, love to see your own words on the screen and completely ignore and dismiss everything else that thrashes your conjured fantasies into the ground? (WITH ON PANEL PROOF)


Originally posted by Horrificus
I created this thread as a place to "Brainstorm" the situation, and get some ideas.

What ideas?

A bunch of gibberish is all I see coming from you my child.

AND even your gibberish is baseless.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Not trounce everybody that is not on the same page as you.

I've done no such thing,

but your a close minded individual, and somebody had to say it.



Originally posted by Horrificus
As I tried to get through to you, just because a character states something, does not mean we blindly build a mythos around it.

"statements"


If you stop licking yourself for like 5 minutes, you might take the time to READ the ON PANEL PROOF I posted, of the MULTI_VERSE being used like child's play by Roma and Merlin, (and YES, that was the MULTI-VERSE that INCLUDES the 616 UNIVERSE) with a BUNCH of OTHER MULTI-VERSES floating around.


What more OMNIVERSAL you want my dear boy?


Originally posted by Horrificus
Nebula is NOT the most powerful being in the Omniverse with the UN.
That is silly.
Out of an Infinite number of Multiverses, filled with an Infinite number of Universes, Nebula with the UN is the most powerful being? Do you hear how stupid that sounds?

AGAIN,

for ignoring POSTS, all you saw was that,

the baboon who said,

"are there other issues besides Captain Britain that MENTION the OMNI-VERSE?"


I replied YES, and showed him WHERE it has been MENTIONED.


Originally posted by Horrificus
Do you really want to back that statement?
Read the books.
Enjoy the books.
Use common sense when debating.

stfu2

well, THIS is going well . . .

doh

for the record, i think it pretty clear there IS an omniverse in marvel that would -- i would imagine -- include every issue of every book ever put out by the marvel company. dc may well have something similar -- a megaverse for lack of a term -- but it hasn't really been acknowledged in a book -- least not that i'm aware of.

in any event, the 2 companies have had contact, so whatever contains each company, is apparently itself contained by something larger that encompasses both. and no, jokes aside, it is assinine to try and include our 'real' world in within teh bounds of these fictional creations . . . criminy . . .

MM, just a day ago, you were telling people to disregard something that was printed on panel, because you said it was a "Typo".
You throwing scans on here, and giving us your opinion of them, means nothing to me.
And, do you really believe that for every scan you show that says one thing, there aren't a ton of scans from another book stating something different?
That is just stupid.
I even invited you to this thread to get your ideas. And, you still showed up with negative intentions.
And, to be honest, I think you are stupid. I believe, as do others in here, that you are just an arrogant child, with lots of scans, and lots of time.
I have no idea what you are even arguing about anymore. Do you?
Telling people they have "issues" because they disagreed with you peacefully? If that isn't a sign of "issues", I don't know what is.
Calling people names, and making fun of people that are not on-board with your thoughts.
But, I guess you need to empower yourself somewhere, and form what I have seen, this is probably the only place in your life where that happens.
Why don't you run along now, and impress some other forum members with your scans, and the ability to write the same opinions over and over.
Again, I still have no idea what your problem is, and why you started getting nasty. All I tried to do, was give a visual representation of what has been described in the Comic Books.
I don't even care what was done in an Excalibur book, with Roma, Merlin, or anybody else. All I cared about, was showing the Realms.
You are absolutely insane.

If you are a child, I feel bad for your parents. If you are an adult, you have no business being in here around kids.

Originally posted by leonidas
hey g,

that scan is actually from new adventures of the xmen #12. the series is not supposed to be in continuity, but the rpesence of the lt in that issue made what happened apparently canon. for those interested: that's ALSO the issue where phoenix was said to have had a part in galactus's birth. #12 showed the end of the old universe and birth of the current one . . .

ps--all's i'm saying with the scan and xovers there must be something even BIGGER than the omniverse, something that truly does engulf BOTH companies' respective worlds . . . So every book with LT is canon?
LT needing help to beat Galactus is canon?
Sure it happened in the multiverse, or whatever, but that doesn't mean it applies to 616.

Anyway, Marvel vs DC isn't canon... if it is then that means that Wolverine beat Lobo.
And these brothers were taken from that non canon crossover, so that story shouldn't apply as canon.


Oh ya, in Vertigo, Micheal hit Lucifer with an omniversal big bang. It didn't affect Marvel.

Originally posted by bigbran
So every book with LT is canon?
LT needing help to beat Galactus is canon?
Sure it happened in the multiverse, or whatever, but that doesn't mean it applies to 616.

Anyway, Marvel vs DC isn't canon... if it is then that means that Wolverine beat Lobo.
And these brothers were taken from that non canon crossover, so that story shouldn't apply as canon.


Oh ya, in Vertigo, Micheal hit Lucifer with an omniversal big bang. It didn't affect Marvel.

If that's true, then that is the end of the debate.

The Official DC Core Universe is a part of it's own Omniverse. Which, obviously means that DC Comics Does use an Omniverse definition.

Thanks Bran.

We are looking at a Bi-Omniversal Model.

Marvel Omniversal Map

DC Omniversal Map

Originally posted by bigbran
So every book with LT is canon?
LT needing help to beat Galactus is canon?
Sure it happened in the multiverse, or whatever, but that doesn't mean it applies to 616.

Anyway, Marvel vs DC isn't canon... if it is then that means that Wolverine beat Lobo.
And these brothers were taken from that non canon crossover, so that story shouldn't apply as canon.


Oh ya, in Vertigo, Micheal hit Lucifer with an omniversal big bang. It didn't affect Marvel.

there is ONE lt, so yeah, whatever he has his hand in actually happened -- in regards to him at least. why do you think there was the hullabaloo about the way he handled korvac?

and who said anything about marvel vs dc being canon . . .? the brothers were used elsewhere and at one time the vs WAS considered (loosely) to be canon.

Originally posted by leonidas
there is ONE lt, so yeah, whatever he has his hand in actually happened -- in regards to him at least. why do you think there was the hullabaloo about the way he handled korvac?

and who said anything about marvel vs dc being canon . . .? the brothers were used elsewhere and at one time the vs WAS considered (loosely) to be canon. No I mean it doesn't apply to 616.
Which means it isn't canon to anyone else, other than LT, and that universe.

Well, I'm saying this because the brothers in canon were never that high at all. It was only in the crossover that they were portrayed as gods.
Thus making them irrelevent.
In a crossover (non canon) Superman could be the high being, but in normal DC, he isn't.
Thus making the crossover non useable.
You get my point?

okay . . .

anyway, we're off topic.

Originally posted by leonidas
okay . . .

anyway, we're off topic. Curses!

Is there really any more room for this omniverse discussion?

Originally posted by leonidas
there is ONE lt, so yeah, whatever he has his hand in actually happened -- in regards to him at least. why do you think there was the hullabaloo about the way he handled korvac?

Ok, atleast there's some legitimate debate going on in this catastrophy of a thread.


Actually TRUE Debaters,

That one arc involving LT, (Last Planet Standing) is Officially Non-Canon/Not in continuity in every way according to Marvel.


The Korvac event is Canon.


The Korvac issue simply prooves how silly What if's are though they're Canon.

LT's Ultimate Judgement back in 1982 was to create a Super Nova (a feat just below the Human Torches capability, yes, Johnny Storm friends )

And yet, LT CAN detach and contain an Entire Universe from the rest of the Multi-verse. dontgetit


They atleast had the decency to try and make Mistress Death the culprit behind the scenes, somehow Mistress Death protected Korvac from LT's super nova attack.

Thanks for the Imput Mr. Master!
Always Positive, always a Pleasure!

Anyway...

Besides LT, what other characters do we have in Authority over our Multiverse?

I know Mr. "Friendly" talks about Merlin and Roma working the Omniversal situation, but who is working on a Multiversal level?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thanks for the Imput Mr. Master!

Your welcome.


Originally posted by Horrificus
Always Positive,




Originally posted by Horrificus
always a Pleasure!

That's what my X always said.


Originally posted by Horrificus
Besides LT, what other characters do we have in Authority over our Multiverse?

I know Mr. "Friendly" talks about Merlin and Roma working the Omniversal situation, but who is working on a Multiversal level?

Well, right now (in no particular order)


Roma is the Multiversal Guardian.


The Infinites are the maintainance crew of the Multi-verse.


The Makers teleported Souls from every Universe in the Multi-verse, and placed them in the Universe they remade, which houses the Micro-verse.


Abraxas was killing every Alternate Reed Richards in the Multi-verse simultaneously.


Post Retcon Molecule Man nearly destroyed the Multi-verse.


Post Retcon Beyonder, though not as powerful as Molecule Man, is eesential to the Multi-verse, if his essence dies, "havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography" (that's a direct quote from the issue)


Atleza is the Multiversal Anchor, she juggles Multi-Eternity like you and I would blow soap bubbles in the air.


Oblivion, in his greatest form, swallows Multi-verses that collapse, are destroyed, nullified, and displaced by a weakened Anchor



That's about the whole gang, excluding artifacts or weapons.

mister, are you really that confused at the difference between multiversal and multi-universal?

multiverse=hundreds and thousands of universes
multiuniversal= five, ten, fifty, etc. universes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Atleza is the Multiversal Anchor, she juggles Multi-Eternity like you and I would blow soap bubbles in the air.


Oblivion, in his greatest form, swallows Multi-verses that collapse, are destroyed, nullified, and displaced by a weakened Anchor

i'm curious about these 2. how do you know atleza anchors the multiverse? was multiverse said somewhere? and where did you see oblivion devouring multiverses? oblivion is kinda cool, i'd not mind seeing that.

Processing...

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious about these 2. how do you know atleza anchors the multiverse? was multiverse said somewhere? and where did you see oblivion devouring multiverses? oblivion is kinda cool, i'd not mind seeing that.

Wut up Leon,


Thanos absorbed the Multi-verse that houses the 616 Universe.

Atleza was the Anchor of the Actuality he absorbed Thanos said.


I'm not going to drain your eyes again with the explanation plus scans that conclusively prove Thanos Absorbed a Multi-verse... you seen it a bunch of times I'm sure, it's even with in the first few pages of this thread.


But here is Thanos saying Atleza Anchors this Actuality (the Actuality he absorbed)


(Warlock, Gamora, Atleza) Death, Oblivion and ALL the Cosmic Anchors survived, because their Realms are ALL beyond Space and Time

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9448/allhecould5ip7.th.jpg

"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE this Reality, tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"



This portion of my earlier post is summarized but might fit the bill:

Thanos (Starlin) explaining the Cosmology:


See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...

and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...

Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....

The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8021/unilook17qj.th.jpg

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg

Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by Space & Time,
which Multi-Eternity/Infinity encompass.

See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are separate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchor's domain) are separated from the Blue Balls.

This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)




This is the Oblivion bit:

An INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of everlasting), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg




If this isn't filling enough, in the earlier pages I give a meticulous explanation with proof, of why it was a Multi-verse Thanos absorbed, even though it was termed "Universe"...

there's no reason to think those blue balls are anything other than universes. none at all. you have warlock saying "my all" and thanos saying "actuality.

neither of those point to those being multiverses.

Originally posted by manorastroman
there's no reason to think those blue balls are anything other than universes. none at all. you have warlock saying "my all" and thanos saying "actuality.

neither of those point to those being multiverses.
Indeed, <I'm with this guy.>

Hi. Sorry for my bad english.


The problem is : Each writer has perhaps is own idea of the question. There is NO official rule for the structure of the MU (i know too few of the other super-heroes comics for speak of them).


What we know for sure is :

1° There is something called an Omniverse.
1a° There are maybe more than one Omniverse.
1b° Maybe the Omniverse is in something bigger.

2° There is something called a Multiverse.
2a° These is more than one Multiverse.
2b° Multiverses are in an Omniverse.
2c° There is maybe other things than Multiverses in an Omniverse.

3° There is something called an Universe.
3a° There is more than one Universe.
3b° Universes are in a Multiverse.

Other things :

4° The dimensional Russian headstocks (universe-multiverse-omniverse) can lack one or more element. In the secret wars / pre-retcon Beyonder series, it seem the Beyonder IS is own universe, and maybe multiverse.

5° There is a thing/being called Eternity. It's the embodiment of the reality.
5a° We don't know what Marvel mean by "reality"


Numerous problems :

6° In the Roma/Captain Britain stories, there is something called the Omniverse. I don't see the difference between this Omniverse and the Multiverse. And the omniversal organization has really lame characters...
6a° I can imagine Captain Britain exist in a lot of universes, but we KNOW Britain don't exist in ALL the universes. I can't imagine, then, he exist in all the damn Multiverses of the entire Omniverse.
6b° There is really few Captain Britain in action for an organization than spawn an infinite number of universes in an infinite number of multiverses.
6c° In Roma/Captain Britain stories, we see Roma speak of (or at) Galactus and Eternity. Seem Roma is a Multiversal employee, not an Omniversal, for me (Don't dare to say the Omniverse is just a big Multiverse with the same characters in big. I can't imagine Marvel is so lame).
6d° If Roma is a Omniversal Guardian, why Abraxas kill her ? Why CAN he kill here ? He's not a Multiversal character anymore ?



And more :

7° The Multiverse is a mess. I can understand the pocket universe thing. But :

7a° Why beings as Mephisto or Dormamu seem to interract (it's the word ?) only with the 616 heroes ? I think it's THE big problem.

7b° Why only 616 heroes go against Multiversal treats in the Thanos series ? Why the multiversals characters (as the Mage or Thanos) only care for 616 heroes ?

8° For who work the "Great Ennemy" (the alternate Human Torch) ? What he want to destroy, finaly ?

9° I can't understand the idea of M. Master (who is really a big brain on the question) of Universal and Multi-versal Eternity's. It's the only thing for include a lot (but not all) "what if" stories. But really i never really see that in the comics : It's alway "Eternity",
9a° And this "The Death's realm is out of the Multiverse" thingy, is Thanos-The End... Hem... Why ? And where is she ? Death is not Multiversal, now ? Death is no more a part of the reality ?
9b° Same thing for Oblivion. In The End, we see something called "oblivion". It's the abstract called Oblivion or a no-abstract real void ?



10° Why say our universe is infinite ? It's stated it's not (in MU. I'm not fond of the no-infinite theorie in the reality).
10a° A writer say it's a little universe (the jail at the limits of the universes, as in the Annihilation wave, with local prisoners), or big (when the surfer go to the other half of the universe : It's a big trip ; or when the makers make walls of galaxies).
10b° If our universe is not infinite, as in the surfer stories or in the annihilation serie, it's just a "big" pocket universe ?

11° The power gems and the Hotu.
11a° In the original version, the gems are devices powered by the Power Gem, who drag power from the expanding limits of our universe (seem the "crunch" of Annihilation serie, no ?). Then, the Gems are Universal or Multiversal ? If the Power Gem drag his power from the Crunch, why Thanos say they use the Hotu ?
11b° The God, who is the Gems origin. It's what ? Retconed, him too (damn, i have retcons...) ? What is this nex "Gem girl" ?

Originally posted by manorastroman
there's no reason to think those blue balls are anything other than universes. none at all. you have warlock saying "my all" and thanos saying "actuality.

neither of those point to those being multiverses.

I wasn't replying to you mano, I was replying to Leon.


Here's the tale of the tape:


If you take a few minutes to read, perhaps it'll sink in:




The Omniversal Architecture

When Warlock first exited the Multi-verse, he entered a place called the Cosmic Vortex.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3198/adamgoesbtwnuniverses15yh.th.jpg


In it, an INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of everlasting), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg


These are MULTI-VERSES!


When I realized that Thanos DID in fact, Absorb MORE than just a UNIVERSE, that he actually absorbed ALL he could (which is the MULTI-VERSE)

Here Thanos ABSORBS LT, ETERNITY and INFINITY

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4876/teb9kg7.th.jpg



Thanos ABSORBED ETERNITY and INFINITY and there is still Space and star stuff behind him

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/741/t2gw1oa6.th.jpg
This is not a designed attack, he's saying it himself "it's Out of Control"

Like a raging drunk, who's not selective in a brawl, anything in the way goes, and with that KIND of Power, that means everything goes. (like it did)




I felt I had to add this to the equation:


When a UNIVERSE is ERASED or ABSORBED, it's ETERNITY that DISAPPEARS:

The Ultimate Nullifier ERASING a UNIVERSE:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5489/kpz4.th.jpg

Realize it's ETERNITY that's being ERASED.



And AGAIN, now a MULTI-VERSE is ERASED by the Ultimate Nullifier:

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

Realize it's ETERNITY (Multi-Eternity) that's being ERASED.




Continues in the next post...

Continues...



Let us proceed:




Here it continues,

(REMEMBER, NOW this is AFTER he ABSORBED, LT, Eternity & Infinity)

Watch, and Read



"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4746/t6bi7.th.jpg
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"



"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2830/t7fq0.th.jpg


See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, WHERE is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed ALL of Space and Time?

WHERE!!!


I'll answer that,


It has to be coming from the Multi-verse, there is no other way to look at it.
*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish, the rest of Space, in other words, the MULTI-VERSE)


WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY, except anyone left in the MULTI-VERSE,


WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?


CAN'T be the UNIVERSE or the Living Tribunal, he just ABSORBED the UNIVERSE (Eternity/Infinity remember) and LT.




Now your saying to yourself, fine, that conclusively despicts Thanos absorbing the Multi-verse.

But Mr M showed scans of the Cosmic Vortex, where an INFINITE number of Multi-verses are,

How could Thanos have absorbed ALL he could, when he ONLY absorbed ONE Multi-verse?

Now we go back to the OMNIVERSAL structure:




The OMNI-VERSE and the rest of the Multi-verses rest with in the Cosmic Vortex.

See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...

and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...

Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....

The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8021/unilook17qj.th.jpg

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg

Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by Space & Time,
which Multi-Eternity/Infinity encompass.

See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are separate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchor's domain) are separated from the Blue Balls.

This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)

This is why Thanos could not absorb more, he absorbed everything within that Blue Ball (a Multi-verse) and evidently, he could not reach any furthur

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg
"Nothing Remained"

Remember he was "Out of Control"

He kept on absorbing till there was nothing left for him to absorb (literally), HAD he been able to absorb everything Outside his Multi-verse, it would have been no problem with TOAA's power,

But Thanos was NOT able to do it, meaning that's as FAR as TOAA permitted his power to be used, absorption of a Multi-verse and Remaking that same Multi-verse, even though being the most powerful being in the Omni-verse.

MM, first of all, know that I don't even care what the structure is. I have no fan-based opinion, or stake in it. I am just weighing what I am looking at and reading. So, try to control yourself when I disagre with you. Because, if you look at it from my point of view, without trying to interpret what the writers "might" be trying to say, maybe you will see where I am coming from.

They are not Multiverses floating around Warlock. They are Universes.
He calls them "Alls". He asks himself if they are Mirror Images of his "Reality". A Multiverse is made up of inifinite "Realities".
They are Singular Realities he is seeing in those spheres.

Thanos speaks of the next to know of the coming doom, not being from "This Universe", as he speaks from the perspective of acting within "A Universe". Not a Multiverse.

Again, Thanos says that "Deep within the Cosmic Vortex, Our Reality resides."
"Our Reality". A "Reality" is synonomous with "a Universe". It has never been used to refer to the term "Multiverse", in comic fiction or real science.

As a matter of fact, if you push your point, God only knows how many storylines we would have to go back in, where they use the term "Reality" interchangably with "Universe". You have to admit THAT.

You showed the Korvac piece, which depicts the results of a destroyed Enternity entity. Results? A Destroyed Universe.

You showed a panel of Thanos absorbing an Eternity entity. That results in a Thanos taking the place of Eternity in the Universal Firmament.

Then, as you showed, he mentions that "the next to become aware of the coming doom was not exactly of THIS UNIVERSE." Now he is part of this universe, the same way Eternity was. And, he speaks from within.

Originally posted by Horrificus
MM, first of all, know that I don't even care what the structure is. I have no fan-based opinion, or stake in it. I am just weighing what I am looking at and reading. So, try to control yourself when I disagre with you. Because, if you look at it from my point of view, without trying to interpret what the writers "might" be trying to say, maybe you will see where I am coming from.

They are not Multiverses floating around Warlock. They are Universes.
He calls them "Alls". He asks himself if they are Mirror Images of his "Reality". A Multiverse is made up of inifinite "Realities".
They are Singular Realities he is seeing in those spheres.

Thanos speaks of the next to know of the coming doom, not being from "This Universe", as he speaks from the perspective of acting within "A Universe". Not a Multiverse.

Again, Thanos says that "Deep within the Cosmic Vortex, Our Reality resides."
"Our Reality". A "Reality" is synonomous with "a Universe". It has never been used to refer to the term "Multiverse", in comic fiction or real science.

As a matter of fact, if you push your point, God only knows how many storylines we would have to go back in, where they use the term "Reality" interchangably with "Universe". You have to admit THAT.

You showed the Korvac piece, which depicts the results of a destroyed Enternity entity. Results? A Destroyed Universe.

You showed a panel of Thanos absorbing an Eternity entity. That results in a Thanos taking the place of Eternity in the Universal Firmament.

Then, as you showed, he mentions that "the next to become aware of the coming doom was not exactly of THIS UNIVERSE." Now he is part of this universe, the same way Eternity was. And, he speaks from within.
I'm just going to interject here, because there seems to be some miscommunication going on. Mr M's point, is that AFTER he absorbed Eternity, Infinity, and LT, there he was still present in something resembling space. The Eternity IS the universe, so when he absorbed Eternity, he absorbed the universe itself. Then AFTER he absorbed the universe, there was still space and time present around him. With the universe absorbed, that would mean that the space was either the space of a. The mutiverse itself. Or b. the space of another universe. Either way, his continued absorption until there was NOTHING around him, would mean that he absorbed the rest of the multiverse. His scans of the little balls do lend some credit to the theory also. If Death's domain lied OUTSIDE the balls, an Death was still around, that would mean that he absorbed everything INSIDE one of the little balls. So that would mean that the balls are made up of multiverses. I hope that all made sense, I'm in a hurry to get back to work(cause I'm now late), but I'll be back later to check up on how things are moving along.

MM: now to complete your destruction- hehe, just kidding.

You said the Makers made The Microverse. But, as per your scan - No, the Makers did not create any Universe or dimension. They messed with the contents. They seeded it with life.

When Thanos absorbed LT, Eternity and Infinity, he was acting upon a single Univers. As per yoru scan, whenever a Single Universe threatens others, it will be judged. LT was there to Judge That Single Universe.

As per your scan- Roma, or Saturnyne or somebody says that the Sword, Excalibur, was forged in the fires of creation, tempered by the power of THE UNIVERSE. "The Universe".

Again, as per your scans- when Roma and Merlin are playing chess, they are not playing with anything Multiversal, or even Universal. It is shown that the pieces on the boards are "Individuals". As they move a piece, and individual acts. Nothing Mutliversal about it.

While Roma talks about how she bounced Captain Britain around, she is talking about alternate earths, she is talking about universes. Not Multiverses. Nothing is mentioned about Multiverses.

As they discuss Jaspers, Merlin and Roma speak of the fates of Universes, a Continuum, of "Matter". They speak of destroying a universe if they have to, as long as they stop Jaspers. They are concerned for the fate of the Multiverse. Not the Omniverse, as we are discussing it here. They are worried that Jaspers will spread from Universe to Universe, and harm the Multiverse. As per Roma, "The Multiverse depends on the game." She doesn't say the Omniverse.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm just going to interject here, because there seems to be some miscommunication going on. Mr M's point, is that AFTER he absorbed Eternity, Infinity, and LT, there he was still present in something resembling space. The Eternity IS the universe, so when he absorbed Eternity, he absorbed the universe itself. Then AFTER he absorbed the universe, there was still space and time present around him. With the universe absorbed, that would mean that the space was either the space of a. The mutiverse itself. Or b. the space of another universe. Either way, his continued absorption until there was NOTHING around him, would mean that he absorbed the rest of the multiverse. His scans of the little balls do lend some credit to the theory also. If Death's domain lied OUTSIDE the balls, an Death was still around, that would mean that he absorbed everything INSIDE one of the little balls. So that would mean that the balls are made up of multiverses. I hope that all made sense, I'm in a hurry to get back to work(cause I'm now late), but I'll be back later to check up on how things are moving along.

The Marvel 616 universe does not exist inside the M body of Eternity.
When Eternity shows up, that is just Eternity sticking it's consciousness into a body that can be interacted with.
When Thanos absorbed Eternity, what he did was absorb Eternity's role in the universe. He became Eternity. That is why space and the universe was still there. He didn't destroy Eternity. He didn't destroy the universe. That was still to come.