Originally posted by Sado22
back at you actually.
i am telling you that grant powering up to insane levels that causes his body to break down JUST LIKE BISON AND RUGAL. Those two were VERY powerful weren't they. according to you, bison owns Geese.
but all this is apparently not enough to convince you....why? cuz that's just part of some random flashiness. that never counts for some reason.
so from YOUR logic, akuma owns everyone cuz he has an instant kill move and has been around for longer.
No, he owns people because he has feats to compare, versus using your logic where grant's on par with gouki because he makes the earth shake.Daimon makes the earth shake, I guess he's god tier right.And bison own's geese because he has better feats.When you start debating uisng feats versus appearence, you will have a point.
Originally posted by Sado22
ok so....
Iori owns everyone cuz he has a killing move (8 maiden shrine SDM) and has been around since KoF95. but does he. no. Orochi Iori was defeated by ash.
or
Akira from virtua fighters owns every one cuz HE has a killing move (whatever the hell that is called) and has been around since VF1. but does he. no. Akira was defeated by Kagemaru in VF1.
Too bad that's not what I said, I said gouki wins because he has a move that can kill you instantly storyline wise, maiden masher does not do that.And Ash beat Orochi Iori because snk has a habit oif making weaker characters dominate stronger characters often or just because they are the main character.
Originally posted by Sado22
oh heck, Akuma was defeated by Gouken, Gen, stalemated with Oro (though oro has no instant kill moves). so from that logic, ryu will never be that great cuz he can't kill anyone....but maybe he has a chance cuz he was around since SF1.
LOL, first of all he could have killed gen but choose not to because gen was sick. He wasn't fighting at full power against oro, and he lost to gouken a long time ago.
Originally posted by Sado22
instant kill doesn't mean he'll win a fight. cuz, oh wait, akuma has been defeated. and if he's been defeated by these fighters (who are beyond human limiations) then why is grant out of question....at least a tough fight?
oh wait. you don't have answer.
Defeated by whom, who beat gouki? Gouken once, wwow. And he won't win just because he has an instant kill, he'll win because he has feats versus your nly argument that pertains to earth shaking. . .weak.
Originally posted by Sado22
the only answers is: i like akuma. he's been around for longer and he can split ayres rock in half. he owns everyone SNK can produce because err...i like akuma, akuma can split ayres rock in half....oh oh oh and akuma has developed more because....i like akuma.
He's more developed, has area effecting moves (Kongoukuretsuzan), Is more durable (Survived 300 meters underwater), Sunk and island with a punnch and has more experience bversus earth shaking.
Originally posted by Sado22
my answer is:
someone who's powered up to insane levels, just like Rugal and Bison, makes him like beyond human, and with accelerated motor skills to add to that which again makes him beyond human limitations (think mitsoumi from tenjou tenge). oh wait, akuma is beyond human too. so maybe.....just ****in maybe....akuma and grant can have a pretty good fight. BUT i think akuma>grant.
Do you get it now....or do i have to draw it out in crayons on a black board
Going by titles is your only argument, "Grantz beyond human so he's God" LOL. When you actually formulate an argument I'll be here, because You keep bringing bison into this and I told you before that the state his body doesn't mean he's god. Bison was a boss before the plot device known as the psycho drive came into exsistence.
of course not
besides isn't it always more entertaining to throw random jabs in an argument for the sake of fun.
Originally posted by Sado22
can't say that now can you? cuz you don't know. none of us do. if you say he can't i could very well say he can.....you know why? its cuz we are speculating.
just like me "speculating" that with advanced power and motor skills and a body that is so powered up its actually shattering grant might give akuma a fight.
So, your giving him an ability based on speculation, lol. And if gill could regenerate he would not need back up bodies.
Originally posted by Sado22
.........obviously cause kyo and iori's flames are DESIGNED to take him out, genius.
yagami flames=neutralize
kusanagi flames=seal
yata powers=lock away
makes sense to you? *crosses fingers*
Right, A plot device. Just like justice flame was able to jobb igniz.
Originally posted by Sado22
ignitz didn't beat the entire cast.
K', Iori and K' took him out cuz they are powerful.
oh but its a redundant argument, ins't it?
Yeah, he did beat the enitre cast, and k,kyo, and Iori beat him because igniz is a jobber. Prior to working together they were floored like everyone else before they got up and plot device.
Originally posted by Sado22
so if i'm getting it, you're points are:
-akuma is powerful cuz he can do supernatural feets (needless to say powering up to inhuman levels and having your motor skills accerlated isn't part of being supernatural. that's just jobber status).
-rugal is not=akuma cuz rugal self destructed despite pounding the whole Kof cast.
-orochi is not=akuma cuz orochi happened to be sealed away by flames that are SPECIALLY designed to seal him. what a weakling.
-Ignitz isn't so strong cuz, oh wait, he lost to Kyo, Iori and k's flames which happened to be such that sealed away divine powers. oh right. perfect sense.
-resurrecting from the dead is not similar to resurrecting from being decapitated. that's totally different.
-ryu is powerful cuz he failed to KO midtier Hugo with his strongest move.
No, more like:
-Gouki is powerful because he has feats to back up his actions, being beyond human has no merit here only his feats count. And the guy can sink islands, split ayers rock, and has an instant kill vs earth shaking.
-No, rugal is not = to gouki because he loses to kyo.
-Orochi is stronger thank gouki, he's a very well established character, solid feats, and back story.
-Actually it, was chizuru, kyo, and iori via plot device. And somehow orochi Iori who was able to choke orochi loses to ash crimson, LOL.
Originally posted by Sado22
well, Orochi>>entire cast of 97
Iori and Kyo and Chizuru>>Orochi (with their respective specially designed powers) does not mean they own the entire cast. the only reason Orochi kicked the shit out of everyone else was because their powers werent designed for working on him with the effect that Iori and kYo and kagura have. plain and simple logic.
And how does that explain igniz,rugal, and the other bosses? Bottom line is the bosses are jobbers with no feats except being beyond human and flashy powers.
Originally posted by Sado22
what is to say he got up and beat Ryu. you gonna convince me he didn't without any canon facst.
Canonwise, all capcom said was that hugo was not felled by a direct shinshoryuken.
Um, ryu was disqualified by oro. He beat hugo, I can link you to a plot guide which tellds you who fought who in sf3.
Originally posted by Sado22
funny
but of course we know that gouki>>everyone in the fightingworld universe cuz he has developed over the years.
oh and grant's mask is pretty badass. better than the "anal beads" akuma wears around his neck
Yeah, we all know snk and there well established god bosses who lose to kyo and iori can beat gouki, LOL.
Originally posted by Sado22
to conclude.......we both have typed too much since yesterday
damn my fingers hurt like hell. i bet yours do too.
do ryu fans always think he is the strongest just cuz he couldn't KO someone who isn't even godtier? you answer that
Ryu beat hugo, and the shin-shoryuken thing is unconfirmed.