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What do you think? Should they be castrated?


I think convicted rapist should be castrated. Not all convicted rapist spend their rest of their lives in jail. Some get out at an able enough age to do it again.

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Where's Dusty? detective

What happens if the person gets aquitted after new evidence is brought in?

Up shit creek without a paddle I guess.

Originally posted by Thorinn
Where's Dusty? detective

He hasn't been online since the 10th. Must be on a holiday.

"Should Rapists Be Castrated?"

Hmm, interesting movie title

Originally posted by Leo.M
What do you think? Should they be castrated?


I think convicted rapist should be castrated. Not all convicted rapist spend their rest of their lives in jail. Some get out at an able enough age to do it again.

Good question... Can we ever be 100 % sure if someone convicted of rape really did it? It's the same problem with the death penalty. It's such a final sentence, it can't be revoked if new evidence shows the person in question didn't commit the crime.
And what do we do with girls who have sex, then have second thoughts and cry "rape"? You have all the evidence in the world to convict some hapless guy... Should we sterilize women who wrongly accuse a man of raping them?

Rapers are utter loosers. Let's face it. They probably won't ever procreate anyways...

Also, apart from the obvious problems, there is also an issue that men use other objects to penetrate women, and it is still counted as rape.

Of course... There is medical castration, which is reversible. But then the rapist needs to be willing to take the drugs.

Originally posted by Leo.M
What do you think? Should they be castrated?
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Should Idiots be lobotomised ?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Also, apart from the obvious problems, there is also an issue that men use other objects to penetrate women, and it is still counted as rape.

Not in the UK. The idea is to remove the urge anyway, I think, not to literally remove the male organ.

It's a silly idea, though.

It's not that bad an idea, if you could prove guilt beyond all doubt, but that's impossible in most cases. And even if you could it should probably only happen with serial rapists, people who already been in jail for rape once before or people who when released show no sign of wanting to better their lives.

But still it's pretty much impossible to check all of those things and open to human interpretation and thus possibly faulty... So no rapists should not be castrated.

Originally posted by Fishy
It's not that bad an idea, if you could prove guilt beyond all doubt, but that's impossible in most cases. And even if you could it should probably only happen with serial rapists, people who already been in jail for rape once before or people who when released show no sign of wanting to better their lives.

But still it's pretty much impossible to check all of those things and open to human interpretation and thus possibly faulty... So no rapists should not be castrated.

To conclude: bad idea.

The only problem is you can get bet your bottom dollar they would castrate innocent people.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Not in the UK. The idea is to remove the urge anyway, I think, not to literally remove the male organ.

It's a silly idea, though.
My bad, it does not fall into ''rape'' but penetation by object falls into sexual assult.

It is a silly idea. Especially since the idea that it is man's urge which makes him rape a woman.
That is an insult to a lot of men.

I think it falls under the cruel and unusual punishments category in the U.S. Rape is cruel, but I think cutting off a part of the human body is more so.

I had to search on dictionary.com to know what castrated meant and when I read it I was all WTF? Why the **** would anyone want to do that? Would you remove a person's limbs if they commit assault? Would you remove a person from all shops if they rob one? Would you remove a person's alcohol if they commit public drunkeness?
What a stupid thing to do, why punish someone for making a mistake?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
My bad, it does not fall into ''rape'' but penetation by object falls into sexual assult.

It is a silly idea. Especially since the idea that it is man's urge which makes him rape a woman.
That is an insult to a lot of men.

Are you able to know 100% when a rape has taken place?

If so, you can in clear conscience back the measure.

Why waste the government's time and money paying for a castration when we can just throw them in prison and let the other inmates do it for us? Prisoners usually beat the shit out of rapist prisoners, sometimes castrating/sodomising them. Saves us time and money. Ah, the wonders of justice.

Of course not.
Should thief's have their hand cut of? - NO no no, etc etc

In prison and that's it.

Originally posted by Antaeus
Of course not.
Should thief's have their hand cut of? - NO no no, etc etc

In prison and that's it. Why have prison?

A: They escape
B: People still commit crimes regardless of the punishment
C: Prison wastes money

Rather than lock people up, why not give them a job, an aweful job like mining. Good for the economy is it not? Oh and what about giving them education? Gives them something fun for them to do.

Yes that would be nice (NOT) - the girl who was being raped the day before can then meet the raptist the day after because he got this awful job (mining) as punishment.

No put them in jail or a place where they can do no harm.

Originally posted by Antaeus
Yes that would be nice (NOT) - the girl who was being raped the day before can then meet the raptist the day after because he got this awful job (mining) as punishment.

No put them in jail or a place where they can do no harm. You assume a rapist's victim is always a girl?

Oh and a job like coal mining, all you do is work and sleep. And if I was raped, I would surely move away, to a different neighborhood.

They have the option of getting an education and they do have to do work while in prison. All while being withheld from the public so they don't hurt or kill or rape anyone else.

I wouldn't castrate but I would definitely cut their hands off.

As well as the point that we can't always be sure that the rapist is actually the perpetrator, I think castration qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment.

I'd be all for it if we knew for certain that the guy was guilty

Originally posted by Leo.M
What do you think? Should they be castrated?


I think convicted rapist should be castrated. Not all convicted rapist spend their rest of their lives in jail. Some get out at an able enough age to do it again.
Yeah, off with the twins.

No. How hostile and savage that would be.

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
Yeah, off with the twins. Easy for you to say, XX chromosome

Originally posted by Leo.M
What do you think? Should they be castrated?


I think convicted rapist should be castrated. Not all convicted rapist spend their rest of their lives in jail. Some get out at an able enough age to do it again.

There is something that can done to serial rapists who "can't control their urges" - it is basically chemical castration as it (supposadly) suppresses sexual urges on their part, without any physicaly permanant surgery being done.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
There is something that can done to serial rapists who "can't control their urges" - it is basically chemical castration as it (supposadly) suppresses sexual urges on their part, without any physicaly permanant surgery being done.
Why do people alway think it's the male whose always the rapist.

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
Why do people alway think it's the male whose always the rapist. Because female rape is hard to prove

true.

Originally posted by justdecent
I wouldn't castrate but I would definitely cut their hands off.

Actually castrating someone would not stop them from committing the violent act in another way, but YES cutting their hands off would.....Food for thought.

I think we should just make them wear a sign around prison that says, "I raped a woman. Now return the favor. If it helps, you can call me Trudy."

I think that would sour them on the idea enough.

No, because genitals are not just for sex. They need thier privates to piss also.

If someone peed on public property, would you cut off thier penis ? I think not.


Just send there asses to prison. There's nothing more need be done.

i think that rapists should receive life sentences.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why have prison?

A: They escape
B: People still commit crimes regardless of the punishment
C: Prison wastes money

Rather than lock people up, why not give them a job, an aweful job like mining. Good for the economy is it not? Oh and what about giving them education? Gives them something fun for them to do.

Prisoners already need to work, and after work they are put back in their cell away from the public. What do you expect all criminals to just come to work everyday, mine their asses of then go home and not rape anybody?

No way in hell that a system like that would work.

really. lets just give them a crappy job, that'll show them.

I say we flatten their testies. That way they'll have little flaps of skin hanging there that have no use. And it's a lot more painful than castration.

ouchie.

This is why God has deemed that I will never be in a position with power. I'm just too cruel. ermm

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Are you able to know 100% when a rape has taken place?

If so, you can in clear conscience back the measure.

I don't believe I have ever suggest one can know for definitive weather a rape has taken a place or not.

Rape is a social problem, and it does not stream out of urge, and cannot be solved by castrating men, or whatever.

Even if I can know for sure that someone has raped someone else, I am not sure I would support the measure of castration, still.

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
Why do people alway think it's the male whose always the rapist. Originally posted by Strangelove
Because female rape is hard to prove

Because male rape is the most common. Female being raped happens far more disproportionaly than other way around. Far far more so.
Same with domestic violence.

More men get raped by males, then they do by females. Furthermore, around 90% of males who rape other males are hetrosexual.

Originally posted by BackFire
They have the option of getting an education and they do have to do work while in prison. All while being withheld from the public so they don't hurt or kill or rape anyone else. Being isolated from the public because of a mistake they made seems a little harsh and unjustly to me. But that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because male rape is the most common. Female being raped happens far more disproportionaly than other way around. Far far more so.
Same with domestic violence.

More men get raped by males, then they do by females. Furthermore, around 90% of males who rape other males are hetrosexual. I'd like to see where that statistic came from.

Originally posted by Leo.M
What do you think? Should they be castrated?


I think convicted rapist should be castrated. Not all convicted rapist spend their rest of their lives in jail. Some get out at an able enough age to do it again.

Umm no. That would classify as "cruel and unusual" punishment, which the bill of rights protects everyone from. And besides - men who have been castrated - still have the ability to fantasize and commit lude sexual crimes. So the only way that I can think of(clinically speaking) - to completely rid many of these individuals from illegal sexual desires, would be lobotomization(which is a very cruel form of punishment - unto itself).

This of course is adressing the argument from a secular perspective - being a Christian, I believe that rape is just another *spiritual issue*(sin) - and urges to commit such an act can be overcome through faith in Christ.

But lets hypothetically say such a law was passed - can you imagine -- how many men, would be wrongfully castrated from false accusations?

And what about those who commit statuatory rape - should they be punished with such severity as well?? Or how about women who rape -- should there be some form of female castration performed on them?

So anyway...such a punishment -- would definitely not pan out well for a society(in my opinion).

I would like to ask how removal of testicles or ovaries could n any way stop a rapist in the same way cuttting off their limbs would stop them.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I would like to ask how removal of testicles or ovaries could n any way stop a rapist in the same way cuttting off their limbs would stop them.

It's kinda hard to put your penis into something when you don't have it.

But cutting of any body part is just cruel punishment and can not be justified... At least not with the justice systems most western country's have.

Originally posted by Fishy
It's kinda hard to put your penis into something when you don't have it.

But cutting of any body part is just cruel punishment and can not be justified... At least not with the justice systems most western country's have. A penis is not a testicle or an ovary.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Easy for you to say, XX chromosome

Well after one wrongdoing or many, it's my opinion that they shouldn't have any pride left after doing that crap.

I don't know whether it has been said or not, but rape is generally an act that's less about sexual gratification than it is about power and aggression.

If you castrated a rapist, and they were inclined to that way of thinking, you would change nothing. They would most likely just act out their aggresion in a different, if not more severe, manner.

Let me put it like this. Any human who has not done sin should be the first to pass jugement.
Kelly nice sig

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I don't know whether it has been said or not, but rape is generally an act that's less about sexual gratification than it is about power and aggression.

If you castrated a rapist, and they were inclined to that way of thinking, you would change nothing. They would most likely just act out their aggresion in a different, if not more severe, manner.

Exactly right!

No.

Re: Should Bardock42 be castrated?

Yes.

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
Re: Should Bardock42 be castrated?

Yes.

Hmm, you seem to not like me.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, you seem to not like me.
I was just playing with you.

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
I was just playing with you.

Play with Zack instead. By the way, what did you do?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Play with Zack instead. By the way, what did you do?
We're currently not speaking. He's been playing me.

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
We're currently not speaking. He's been playing me.

Like a piano or like a chinese doll that one shouldn't touch cause it can break easily?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Like a piano or like a chinese doll that one shouldn't touch cause it can break easily?
I guess you can say both. I won't give you the full details unless you want them all, which you don't, so to make a long story short I fell for him, we acted compassionate to each other when together, but he'd lie constantly to my face while looking me in the eyes and not regret any of it, and is currently chasing another girl down, and has already kissed her in school.

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
I guess you can say both. I won't give you the full details unless you want them all, which you don't, so to make a long story short I fell for him, we acted compassionate to each other when together, but he'd lie constantly to my face while looking me in the eyes and not regret any of it, and is currently chasing another girl down, and has already kissed her in school.

I would like the full story. I am quite entertained by teenage drama. So if you would not mind telling me I'd be all for it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I would like the full story. I am quite entertained by teenage drama. So if you would not mind telling me I'd be all for it.
You got a Myspace?

Originally posted by Kelly_LS
You got a Myspace?

I do actually. Not that I use it. Or know how to use it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do actually. Not that I use it. Or know how to use it.
I would be here literally all day typing this story to you, but I have it in my blogs if you'd like to read it there. Yes, I will admit I am a bit dramatic towards the end, especially after all of this has happened to me. They start with the 3rd from last, dated Sunday, October 29, 2006.
www.myspace.com/menaredouches/

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't believe I have ever suggest one can know for definitive weather a rape has taken a place or not.

Rape is a social problem, and it does not stream out of urge, and cannot be solved by castrating men, or whatever.

Even if I can know for sure that someone has raped someone else, I am not sure I would support the measure of castration, still.

Without getting into the whole cause of rape argument, I read your post as sarcasm. Apparently it wasn't.

Originally posted by BackFire
Why waste the government's time and money paying for a castration when we can just throw them in prison and let the other inmates do it for us? Prisoners usually beat the shit out of rapist prisoners, sometimes castrating/sodomising them. Saves us time and money. Ah, the wonders of justice.
That is certainly a valid point - a response that actually hints the raposts themselves are human beings.
I think personaly that just about everyone forgets that rapists are human beings. We must look first at WHY men become rapists:
He was once an innocent crying baby born into whatever family, rich/poor seems to be any class doesn't it? I doubt there is any real proof that many men are BORN rapists. Yes they have the same feelings and needs as other people in general and when they reach puberty they develop the sexual attraction for women etc.
Two things I think turn men into rapists:
1] Less valid one that is sexist to both men and women: the scimpy dressing of women - there are many women that deliberately dress very lightly usually to falunt their sexuality and get confirmation from men that they are sexually attractive - it happens a lot and so men may resent the fact that although to them the signals they are giving out is - lets get it on baby! the real motive is not to actually have sex with the man but to satisfy the woman's ego - not always this reason - many are unaware of it through socialisation, carelessness or just plain deciding to wear what they want to wear. This is obviously sexist to women as it implies women are not allowed to wear what they want or whatever and sexist to men in that it implies most men are potential rapists etc. But I think there is quite a bit of significance and relevance here.
2] Socialisation of boys. I learned about this from Dr. Warren Farrell's The Myth of Male Power tape . If you look carefully all boys it seems are totally BOMBARDED by female beauty and pressure to get with beautiful women extremely early in their lives . Socialisation leaves a trail of landmines all around boys that further pressures them to aim high and pursue the hottest women etc. and judge women by their physical appearance - making the boys grow up to be unfeeling and unconcerned with women's feelings . When boys CAN'T get the hot woman and what is seen as dirty and evil - despite what they have or have not to lose they develop HUGE feelings of contempt for women as a result of all the social pressure and confusion and do the unspeakable... Its has been proven that MOST female victims of rape are the young nubile ones who are at the peak of their secual attractiveness.
There are also other factors of course - pedophilia caused by whatever reasons - a man becomign sexually attracted to children is caused by many factors though the largest factor which is overlooked is that a LOT of those men were actually sexually abused, raped, sodomised etc. when they were children themselves - and as we all know the world DESPISES the idea of Men being victims and there are next to NO shelters for raped males and of course the social pressure to "take it like a man" and suck it up and basically socially implode and if they don't take their own lives - OR unleash their TERRIFYING rage upon others - women, or children or other men by sexually abusing them despite what they have to lose
I think its time to start looking at rapists in another way - well a start would be to look at society and the socialisation of the embryo form of rapists - innocent male children. We are no longer living in an age where men are to be brought up as future soldiers - a shitload more compassion is needed - women's greatest fasad is that of weakness and a man's greatest fasad is that of strength . And I DO NOT approve of any kind of rape but I do NOT think men are born rapists

I'd like to say more - including female rapists but I really don't have time. I'm sure there are many intelligent unbiased people who would make light of why when a man sexually abuses he did it knowingly and is totally responsible and when a women does it she is mentally ill etc.

I am still unsure what to make of the question in this thread. When looking at false rape allegations I think you will find this article EXTREMELY enlightening: The main point illustrating: the vast majority of rape allegations made to the police are false, but the government and the media do not want you to know this.

http://www.angryharry.com/esRapeBaloney.htm

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Without getting into the whole cause of rape argument, I read your post as sarcasm. Apparently it wasn't.

It might have been. Depending on whom I was replying to, and how I was feeling at the moment...

And the reasons for rape - If i remember correctly you are one of those people who supports Thornihill and Patterson regarding biological urges which cause rape.
We are not gonna agree on that in any case - since that theory is too positivistic fr my liking, especially when its used to explain SOCIAL phenomenon.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It might have been. Depending on whom I was replying to, and how I was feeling at the moment...

And the reasons for rape - If i remember correctly you are one of those people who supports Thornihill and Patterson regarding biological urges which cause rape.
We are not gonna agree on that in any case - since that theory is too positivistic fr my liking, especially when its used to explain SOCIAL phenomenon.

Wow, one more time for idiots, please.

What do them Patterson and Thornihill folks say?

What is positivistic?

What is your POV?

Originally posted by Akira99
And I DO NOT approve of any kind of rape but I do NOT think men are born rapists

I'd like to say more - including female rapists but I really don't have time. I'm sure there are many intelligent unbiased people who would make light of why when a man sexually abuses he did it knowingly and is totally responsible and when a women does it she is mentally ill etc.

I am still unsure what to make of the question in this thread. When looking at false rape allegations I think you will find this article EXTREMELY enlightening: The main point illustrating: the vast majority of rape allegations made to the police are false, but the government and the media do not want you to know this.

No, men are not born rapists. And ho are you going to compare female rapists when less than 2% are females, and an overwhelming majority of those are captured for child molestation, or child sexual abuse.

Second, the link you posted shows an absolute ignorance of rape. It was written by a pumpped up prick with absolutey no knowledge of the trends of rape reporting.

As for ''deserved'' rape - there is no such thing, HOWEVER, I will say that women who think they can get drunk, fall all over the place go with all knds of dodgy guys, night after night, are going to get themselves in trouble.

The idea of women sexual liberation does not equal reckless behaviour and stupidity.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow, one more time for idiots, please.

What do them Patterson and Thornihill folks say?

What is positivistic?

What is your POV?

Ha, sorry.

Thornhill et al say that rape is more or less natural, because naimals engage in cohearsive behaviour, so man raping could be a sexual urge (as far as I gathered, although Thornhill uses lots of scientific words, I don't get)

Positivism is this stupid thing in social science where people believe that social science can copare to natural sciences when it comes to facts.

So like, they use natural sciences to explain something and then come up with a theory for it.
What causes rape, for example.

Now thats stupid, because as far as social thing goes, you cant put everyone under the same umbrella.

Some people rape because they hate women, other rape because they need to feel power, some rape for...some other reason (like spiking a drink then taking girl who is unconcious), then some people may rape out of some other reason I havent got yet...

I don't like the idea that any social phenomenon can be put down under one thing - social things cannot be generalised, becuse people act in different ways and for different reasons.

Oh and my point of view - well I belive there is a range of things which cause rape.
I also believe that irresponsibility of women can get them in trouble. Women NEED to take care, and keep away from psychos, and in fact try not to get themselves in a difficult position.

Thats those who can help it, of course.

Small minority of rapes happen at random - a lot of people who rape know their victim. A lot of epople get drunk, the boy and a girl, and a girl might have said no, and the guy was..whatever.

There are many many many reasons why people rape or get raped, but ''biological'' reason is the one I hate the most.
Idea that men couldn't control themselves is uncomprehansable to me.
It is also an insult to men all over the world.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

As for ''deserved'' rape - there is no such thing, HOWEVER, I will say that women who think they can get drunk, fall all over the place go with all knds of dodgy guys, night after night, are going to get themselves in trouble.

kinda like i always say: there is a huge difference between deserving something and asking for it/having it coming. some idiot frat boy who drinks a half keg of beer to impress his friends doesnt deserve to die of alcohol poisoning, but he certainly has it coming. i think when the majority can grasp this concept the whole rape topic (and many other topics) will not be so potentially offensive.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ha, sorry.

Thornhill et al say that rape is more or less natural, because naimals engage in cohearsive behaviour, so man raping could be a sexual urge (as far as I gathered, although Thornhill uses lots of scientific words, I don't get)

Positivism is this stupid thing in social science where people believe that social science can copare to natural sciences when it comes to facts.

So like, they use natural sciences to explain something and then come up with a theory for it.
What causes rape, for example.

Now thats stupid, because as far as social thing goes, you cant put everyone under the same umbrella.

Some people rape because they hate women, other rape because they need to feel power, some rape for...some other reason (like spiking a drink then taking girl who is unconcious), then some people may rape out of some other reason I havent got yet...

I don't like the idea that any social phenomenon can be put down under one thing - social things cannot be generalised, becuse people act in different ways and for different reasons.

Oh and my point of view - well I belive there is a range of things which cause rape.
I also believe that irresponsibility of women can get them in trouble. Women NEED to take care, and keep away from psychos, and in fact try not to get themselves in a difficult position.

Thats those who can help it, of course.

Small minority of rapes happen at random - a lot of people who rape know their victim. A lot of epople get drunk, the boy and a girl, and a girl might have said no, and the guy was..whatever.

There are many many many reasons why people rape or get raped, but ''biological'' reason is the one I hate the most.
Idea that men couldn't control themselves is uncomprehansable to me.
It is also an insult to men all over the world.

Wait, so you don't think that rape occurs due to sexual urges in people (predominantly males...well, in the UK per definition only males? Or do you mean it also has other factors?

Also, don't you think that some Biological information can explain social behaviour as it is? I mean. There certainly are parallels.

No, because animals don't rape. And the reasons animals don't rape is because they do not have any concept of sex.
Also, the biggest percentage of all rapists have done it only ONCE. It is rare that the ofences are repeat, and if they are, they are against a single victim.

Majority know their victim, so its not like they had this urge all of a sudden and had to fullfill it. If that was the case, random victim cases would be greater.

Obviously, this is my view on things - people who specialise within rape as a phenomenon disagree all the time. its mostly to do with whos idea makes the most sense to you.

There are few types of established rapists -

Power rapists - who rape women to feel power. Some proportion of these cases happen in middle class families, when woman has a better standing then the man.
It also happens in families, etc..

Anger Rapists - those who hate women, and they are the ones who beat or even kill women after rape.
Some rapists, interviewd in priosn, i thoink around 75% of them said they lost the erection during middle of rape, but they continued with anything they could find. They also beat the victimes a lot, and in some cases killed them.

There are other rape groups which don't really fit in either -

like those sexual predators who spike other peoples drinks, then have sex with them while victim is unconcious...or perhaps those who claim that they couldnt help the urge (although i have never read anyone claiming that...but possible)

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, because animals don't rape. And the reasons animals don't rape is because they do not have any concept of sex.

many animals do engage in nonconsentual sex. sure they dont consciously think it's rape or have any concept of consent or morallity, as the females doesnt experience trauma. but lets face it, many females in the animal kingdom, by our definition of 'rape', are raped. not implying any evil to it, but just saying...

Originally posted by Smasandian
What happens if the person gets aquitted after new evidence is brought in?

He's lucky to be alive and should appreciate the fact that we don't go death sentence on his ass.

Kidding.

But seriously, I think yes. In certain cases only. Where there is any uncertainty, life imprisonment should suffice... obviously until this new evidence appears.

Originally posted by PVS
many animals do engage in nonconsentual sex. sure they dont consciously think it's rape or have any concept of consent or morallity, as the females doesnt experience trauma. but lets face it, many females in the animal kingdom, by our definition of 'rape', are raped. not implying any evil to it, but just saying...

Animals have no concept of sex, other than mating. A male has ''cohersive'' with a female, they had babies, and the world goes on.

We have a different concpet of sex, sexual intercourse, etc...thus it would be very silly to copare it.

Second, I would like to think that as humans we can control ourselves, and I know too many men, who would be offended at the thought that they cannot control their sexual urges.

Animals can have cohersed sex (which is how Thornhill refers to it) - yeah I can shit in the woods, but I still know how to use a toilet.

It's not just a case of being unable to control their sexual urges, though. It's a warped perception of right and wrong, a need to exercise control and power over another, 'weaker' person.

Originally posted by Syren
It's not just a case of being unable to control their sexual urges, though. It's a warped perception of right and wrong, a need to exercise control and power over another, 'weaker' person.

Yes. Rape, as a concept is a huge social issue. It cannot be described as a single cause of it, nor can it be simplified into ''sexual urges'' as a cause.

Why doesn't anyone says ''oh its what animals do'' when a mother kills its baby. Animals do it all the time - she can't help it. Well, then that makes it ok then.

Not only is suggesting men rape out of urge, offencive to men everywhere, it basically understands it as a natural occurance.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes. Rape, as a concept is a huge social issue. It cannot be described as a single cause of it, nor can it be simplified into ''sexual urges'' as a cause.

Why doesn't anyone says ''oh its what animals do'' when a mother kills its baby. Animals do it all the time - she can't help it. Well, then that makes it ok then.

Not only is suggesting men rape out of urge, offencive to men everywhere, it basically understands it as a natural occurance.

Exactly. Men and 'uncontrollable urges' don't go hand in hand and it would be wrong to suggest this. As you said, rape occurs because of a combination of things, not just triggered by sexual urges.

So, castration of men who rape - yes or no, lils?

ok milla, so if a dog screws a cat without its consent, is this rape? this isnt hypothetical as ive seen this happen.

I don't think you could call that rape. Perhaps there's another word for it, but 'rape' is something one human does to another, right?

Rape is the act of intitiating involuntarily sexual acts through the use of violence, force, threat of injury, other duress, or where the victim is unable to decline due to the effects of drugs, alcohol and/or underage immaturity.

Can this be applied to animals?

Originally posted by Syren
Exactly. Men and 'uncontrollable urges' don't go hand in hand and it would be wrong to suggest this. As you said, rape occurs because of a combination of things, not just triggered by sexual urges.

So, castration of men who rape - yes or no, lils?

Personaly, I am against it. Mostly because I believe that sexual urge does not have all that to do with it - castration would then be redundant (unless you see it as a punishment soley).

Men rape women using all kinds of objects, and sometimes strap on dildos. (yeah, fecked up).

So probably...no...

Originally posted by Syren
Rape is the act of intitiating involuntarily sexual acts through the use of force


yes

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Personaly, I am against it. Mostly because I believe that sexual urge does not have all that to do with it - castration would then be redundant (unless you see it as a punishment soley).

Men rape women using all kinds of objects, and sometimes strap on dildos. (yeah, fecked up).

So probably...no...

Fair enough. But as a punishment, ideal

Another note, how would you see the situation if it were a paedophile? Same thing?

Originally posted by PVS
yes

Such a smartass mhm

Originally posted by PVS
ok milla, so if a dog screws a cat without its consent, is this rape? this isnt hypothetical as ive seen this happen.

Rape is a occurance within numans. You cannot apply the accepted deffinition to animals, for the obvious reasons.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Rape is a occurance within numans.


hehehe numans

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Seinfeld/newman.jpghttp://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Seinfeld/newman.jpg

Shush you!

hug



seriously though, you're right. the definition of rape involves humans exclusively.

Numans.....lol....

Originally posted by PVS
hug



seriously though, you're right. the definition of rape involves humans exclusively.

Do I get a hug? Coz, you know, that's what I said too weep

Originally posted by Syren
Do I get a hug? Coz, you know, that's what I said too weep

no....you attempted to ignore me before schmoll

(notice i said 'attempted')

*wind whispers*

Say what? ermm

Originally posted by PVS
hug



seriously though, you're right. the definition of rape involves humans exclusively.

I once saw a small dog mount and penetrate a male cat (I did break it up after the initial shock/awe), the cat was growling and hissing vehemently, I doubt this was a sound of welcome to the dog. You wouldn't consider this rape?

by principle, yes. however the definition only applies to humans which forcibly have sex with another person or animal

Originally posted by Robtard
I once saw a small dog mount and penetrate a male cat (I did break it up after the initial shock/awe), the cat was growling and hissing vehemently, I doubt this was a sound of welcome to the dog. You wouldn't consider this rape? Originally posted by PVS
by principle, yes. however the definition only applies to humans which forcibly have sex with another person or animal

Plus unless you speak fluent cat, you dont know if there was permission? he might have been talking dirty!

well....yeah

My cat is more of a stone than a sponge

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1945/cat3ly.th.jpg

that pic and your avatar seem to go together

Originally posted by PVS
that pic and your avatar seem to go together

Yes but there is mutual consent

oh, so its role playing?

Originally posted by PVS
oh, so its role playing?

Lol yes like warcraft but without the zits and i think he's firing blanks

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, men are not born rapists. And ho are you going to compare female rapists when less than 2% are females, and an overwhelming majority of those are captured for child molestation, or child sexual abuse.

Second, the link you posted shows an absolute ignorance of rape. It was written by a pumpped up prick with absolutey no knowledge of the trends of rape reporting.

As for ''deserved'' rape - there is no such thing, HOWEVER, I will say that women who think they can get drunk, fall all over the place go with all knds of dodgy guys, night after night, are going to get themselves in trouble.

The idea of women sexual liberation does not equal reckless behaviour and stupidity.

How do you know female rapists make up only 2%? For all you could know it could be closer to 20% for all the evidence you have given. You ahve just been blinded by the subtle socialisation into thinking that women = victims and men = oppressors in all situations - the idea that males could be victims repulses you. And I would love to hear your evidence against what Angry Harry said in his article

Originally posted by Akira99
How do you know female rapists make up only 2%? For all you could know it could be closer to 20% for all the evidence you have given. You ahve just been blinded by the subtle socialisation into thinking that women = victims and men = oppressors in all situations - the idea that males could be victims repulses you. And I would love to hear your evidence against what Angry Harry said in his article

I really don't think lil showed any blindness in that post. In fact, she provided stats that I am sure she's checked out. She's not one for making up numbers to substantiate her argument.

You've made a lot of assumptions about lil based on no evidence there.

Even if you castrate them they have other methods of molestation and assualt. Putting them to death is easier.

ok, looks like the yapper infection has spread. soon you will all be scum and filth

Originally posted by PVS
ok, looks like the yapper infection has spread. soon you will all be scum and filth

There's nothing wrong with calling you what you are.

Originally posted by Leo.M
What do you think? Should they be castrated?


I think convicted rapist should be castrated. Not all convicted rapist spend their rest of their lives in jail. Some get out at an able enough age to do it again.


Sorry Leo, I usually like all your ideas, but what if its a False conviction? Say "Oh Shit, Sorry let us go gather up your Balls and Penis for you, IT might fit back on."

I lol'd seeing this thread.

As I have said you make it so the burden of proof is stricter and that will cut down on the number of false convictions.

And there's also the "greater good" arguement.

Vinny, your sig is lush

I stab Vincent in the eye.

I'm just that good. In fact, I can one-hit Sephiroth.

With my mind.

Originally posted by Syren
I really don't think lil showed any blindness in that post. In fact, she provided stats that I am sure she's checked out. She's not one for making up numbers to substantiate her argument.


I could say the same about the stats in that article by Angry Harry I provided. I would like to see evidence please
And while the subject of female sexual liberation was mentioned I still notice that it is MEN who still have to deal with approaching and risking rejection from women.

if given stats by someone called "angry harry" i would certainly inquire for references sited

Originally posted by FeceMan
I stab Vincent in the eye.

I'm just that good. In fact, I can one-hit Sephiroth.

With my mind.

NO ONE can take out Vinny or One-hit Sephiroth.

Originally posted by Starhawk
NO ONE can take out Vinny or One-hit Sephiroth.

How cute, the Canucks are uniting. Lets hear a big round of "Eh's"

This is the article for those who are too lazy to go to the link:
Rape Baloney

The evidence that I have seen shows that most allegations of rape made to the police are false.

The 'research' that purports to show otherwise is mostly bogus.

Indeed, the very fact that the definition of 'rape' is completely fudged in most of the 'research' in this area makes it impossible to evaluate it objectively.

However, if it is true that the vast majority of real rapes goes unreported (which is the claim made by most rape 'researchers') and it is also true that the vast majority of rape allegations made to the police are true (which is another claim made by most rape 'researchers') then it follows logically that men are raping women many times more often than are women making false allegations about such things.

But this is just not credible given that the evidence shows quite clearly that many women will make such allegations for the most trivial of reasons e.g. in order to gain sympathy. And if they will allege rape simply in order to gain sympathy, then the mind boggles at how many women must be making false allegations of rape for more 'urgent' reasons.

Indeed, it was only a few weeks ago that a homeless man was released following eight months in prison because three young women had accused him of sexually-assaulting them simply in order to explain why they were late for class!

Three of them!

And the feminist-inspired myth that the probability of an 'average' woman making a false accusation of rape is far, far less than the probability of an 'average' man actually raping a woman is ridiculous.

Please bear with me for a moment.

Much of the rape research suggests that the majority of real rapes goes unreported. In fact, the figures commonly bandied about suggest that only about one-quarter of real rapes are reported to the police.

Now, imagine a town of 100 men and 100 women. And let us assume for the moment that the likelihood of a man committing a rape is exactly the same as the likelihood of a woman making a false allegation of rape.

Now, imagine that in this town four men commit a rape one evening.

Well, the evidence suggests that only one of the raped women (one-quarter of them) will actually report the matter to the police.

Now, since we are assuming that the likelihood of a rape is the same as the likelihood of a false allegation of rape, then it follows that since four men committed a rape, then four women will actually make a false allegation about rape.

And so five allegations of rape will be made to the police.

But only one of them will be true.

In other words, 80% of the allegations are false.

And please remember that this is assuming that men are just as likely to rape women as women are to make false allegations about rape - something which, quite frankly, is preposterous.

And the only way in which it is possible for the vast majority of rape allegations to be true while, at the same time, the vast majority of real rapes goes unreported, is for men to be many times more likely to rape women than are women likely to make false allegations about rape.

And this notion is even more preposterous.

Furthermore, there is surely very little doubt that when intimates are having serious relationship problems - and it is under these circumstances that most rape allegations are made - women are far more likely to lie and make wild exaggerations of rape than are men in these situations likely to rape them.

And yet, somehow, we are expected to believe that some 80% of rape allegations are true, and that some 75% of rapes go unreported. But if this were true, then it would follow that men are sixteen times more likely to rape a woman than is a woman likely to make a false allegation of rape.

And, further, this is supposed to be true despite the fact that we know that some women make false allegations of rape for the most trivial of reasons and that many women often have a great deal to gain by making false allegations of rape; whereas, on the other hand, men have a great deal to lose by committing an act of rape.

Furthermore, women are encouraged daily by the media to make allegations of 'abuse'.

All in all, therefore, the likelihood is very high that women are far more likely to make false allegations than are men likely to commit acts of rape.

And if this is the case - which seems HIGHLY likely - then even the high figure of 80% for false allegations (as in our town of 100 men and 100 women - where the probabilities of real rapes and false allegations are equal) is going to be an underestimate of the proportion of the allegations that are false.

In other words, the likelihood is that more than 80% of rape allegations made to the police are false.

And, indeed, the objective evidence is consistent with this notion. For example, in the UK, for every 100 allegations of rape made to the police, only 6 result in convictions.

Needless to say, however, the feminists, the politically correct, the whole of the abuse industry and, of course, women themselves, have huge vested interests in covering up the truth about this matter.

They all gain enormous rewards by demonising men.

And their overall message is this.

Even though women gain numerous advantages from alleging rape, and even though we know that millions of women behave 'irrationally' when they are 'emotional', and despite the fact that we know that women will even make such allegations for the most selfish and trivial of reasons, men are so awful and women are so innocent that the average male is still sixteen times more likely to rape a woman than is an average female likely to make a false allegation!

And they want to see many more convictions.

And, typically, as the general public learns what devious and dishonest propaganda these groups promote, they will simply respond by jiggling around with all their statistics in order to come up with something more 'credible'.

This is how their hateful game is normally played.

And if you think that this is exaggerating, perhaps you should keep asking yourself this question.

How is it that all the lofty professors at the universities, and the feminists, and the police, and all the experts in the government concerned with matters of crime and abuse, and those who write in the media, etc etc, have failed even to mention to the public that the vast majority of rape allegations must surely be false?

Well. The answer is that the forces that suppress the truth about the rape figures must truly be massive.

And these massive forces are used not only to hoodwink the public about the rape figures - and, indeed, about most of the other figures to do with matters of 'abuse' - they are also used as some of kind of justification to demonise men, to hurt them, to discriminate against them, to push them through outrageously unjust legal processes which have been corrupted through and through, and to make it possible for women to destroy their lives completely for no other reason than that they wish to.

One example of the deceptions commonly employed when it comes to the figures for 'rape' that are touted by most western governments is their purposeful inflation by something of the order of 2000%. This is done by including all allegations of rape in the rape figures - despite the fact that the vast majority of these allegations will be judged to be false. And these figures are then compounded even further by a factor of anywhere between 4 and 10 in order to account for the number of women who, allegedly, failed to report their rapes.

And what must surely be one of the most unconscionable and most malicious of deceits perpetrated by western governments, feminists and women's groups during the past two decades is their fairly-well hidden assumption - exhibited in all their figures and all their public rhetoric - that unproved allegations of rape are, in fact, real rapes!

In the UK, for example, only some 5% of allegations result in convictions. In other words, when the police and the lawyers and the juries have done all the investigating that they possibly can, the result is that some 95% of cases are judged NOT GUILTY or NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE.

So where, exactly, is the valid evidence to suggest that these 95% of women have, in fact, been raped?

Well, there is no such evidence! These 'rapes' are simply manufactured out of very thin air by various groups that, in essence, promote male hatred in order to reap some kind of benefit for themselves.

Finally, please note that (given the commonly-accepted preponderance of unreported rapes; i.e. 3 out of 4) even if men were four times as likely to rape women as women were to make false allegations of rape, it would still be the case that 50% of rape allegations made to the police would be false.

(Also see my piece entitled Most Rape Allegations Are False.)

The Rape Crisis Federation in the UK estimates that 91% of women tell no-one that they have been raped. (This is what the Solicitor General, Harriet Harman, claims.) There is no valid evidence for this anywhere.
However, if this is true, and if it is also true that 80% of rape allegations are true, then it follows that the average man is 40 times more likely to commit a rape than is an average woman likely to lie or to exaggerate about a rape.

And, indeed, if the typical feminist nonsense espoused by most feminists in American Women Studies courses is to be believed; viz; that only 2% of rape claims are false, and that 9 out of 10 victims do not report their rapes, then it follows that men are 490 times more likely to commit an actual rape than is a woman likely to make a false claim.

Just one more example of how the 'abuse' figures are cooked ...

Continued:
Some 5% of women have Borderline Personality Disorder or something close to it. Features of this include the habitual making of false accusations of some kind of 'abuse' - often in order to seek some kind of revenge. For women with BDP, seeing oneself as a victim of someone else's actions is almost a permanent state of being. And given that some 1 million women in the UK and 5 million women in the USA have this condition, the various allegations of 'abuse' that are made every year - sex assault, domestic violence etc - are, undoubtedly, mostly the result of these women attempting to portray themselves as victims.

Furthermore, if you can believe it, the various 'data' collected on the basis of the testimony of this relatively small group of dysfunctional women is then multiplied by incompetent academics and various government departments in order to figure out what is going on in the rest of society!

Thus, and for example, if 30% of women claim to be 'violated' every year, and 5% of women are 'dysfunctional', then these latter women would not account for much of the data.

But if, as appears to be the case, only 1% or 2% of women claim to be 'violated' every year, and 5% of women are 'dysfunctional', then the likelihood is that these 'dysfunctional' women are the ones making nearly all of the claims!

As such, 'professionals' who extrapolate the evidence gleaned from the collective testimony of these women to the rest of society are either charlatans or incompetent.

Mostly, one discovers that they are both.

...

"MOST of the women arriving at the refuge centres were MORE violent, even toward their children, than were the men they were supposedly escaping from." Erin Pizzey - the very founder of the refuge movement for battered women in the UK

If you really want to see how western governments and incompetent and/or dishonest academics produce bogus research in order to fuel male hatred with phony statistics on rape and sex-assault, then please take some 15 minutes or so to read carefully this piece entitled The Home Office Caught Stirring Up Hatred - Again! I think you will be appalled at the government's blatant dishonesty and by the manner in which it attempts to inflate the rape figures by something like 2000%.
And in the piece Ignoring Relationships In Rape you can see how western governments give credence to rape research that is based almost wholly on the testimony of a small selected group of abnormal women who are likely to be imbued with a particular antipathy towards men.

Originally posted by Robtard
How cute, the Canucks are uniting. Lets hear a big round of "Eh's"

First you guys makes jokes about rape vicitms, now racisim. Whats next?

And leave that other guy out of this, your problem is with me.

Originally posted by Starhawk
First you guys makes jokes about rape vicitms, now racisim. Whats next?

And leave that other guy out of this, your problem is with me.

Sorry, I didn't know Canadians (Canucks) were a race.

I have no problem with you and certainly not Vinny V.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, I didn't know Canadians (Canucks) were a race.

I have no problem with you and certainly not Vinny V.

Its a nationality, close enough, cand no, just just throw your lot in with the people who sympathize with rapists and think it's all a big joke.

That's a really interesting article, actually. I like the way he's presented it although he comes across as arrogant. He's validated his arguments and elaborated where necessary.

But, Akira, I was simply saying that you made a lot of false assumptions about lil, I don't recall commenting on that article, or arguing against you about it in any way.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Its a nationality, close enough, cand no, just just throw your lot in with the people who sympathize with rapists and think it's all a big joke.

"Close enough"? LOL... you're a clown.

But I don't sympathize with rapist...

Originally posted by PVS
hug



seriously though, you're right. the definition of rape involves humans exclusively.

hug

Originally posted by Robtard
"Close enough"? LOL... you're a clown.

But I don't sympathize with rapist...

Read over the other thread. It's all a joke to you guys. I have a friend who was almost raped by her cousin and just the fatc that it almost happened is hard enough on her.

But it's just a joke to you.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Read over the other thread. It's all a joke to you guys. I have a friend who was almost raped by her cousin and just the fatc that it almost happened is hard enough on her.

But it's just a joke to you.

What does your cousin's near horrible experience have anything to do with you spasming about everything from rape to racism and foolishly incorrect about racism I might add.

Where do I even remotely imply or implied that (factual) rape is funny? Go on and prove your anally induced "spasatory" accusation with a quote of mine, I triple-dog dare you.

Originally posted by Robtard
What does your cousin's near horrible experience have anything to do with you spasming about everything from rape to racism and foolishly incorrect about racism I might add.

Where do I even remotely imply or implied that rape is funny? Go on prove your anally induced "spasatory" accusation.

Shes not my cousin, she's my nighbor, ive known her all my life. HER cousin tried to rape her and then I delt with him. He now lives a full province away I doubt he'll ever enter the city limits agian.

as far as your joking nature, READ THE OTHER THREAD!!!!

Originally posted by Starhawk
Shes not my cousin, she's my nighbor, ive known her all my life. HER cousin tried to rape her and then I delt with him. He now lives a full province away I doubt he'll ever enter the city limits agian.

as far as your joking nature, READ THE OTHER THREAD!!!!

Now that's funny... After expressing how greatly you want to be a lawyer and then a judge so you can effectively change and command the legal system you now state that you took it upon yourself to do a little vigilantism. Are you "Batman", fighting against the law for the law?

So I take it you are unable to prove your accusation. Just say so, it's okay.

Of course rape is not funny. Its amazing however how the raping of men in prison is seen by the media as funny. And the way boys are told they should consider themselves lucky when raped by a woman.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Read over the other thread. It's all a joke to you guys. I have a friend who was almost raped by her cousin and just the fatc that it almost happened is hard enough on her.

But it's just a joke to you.

My ex-boyfriend took advantage of me while I was with him and claimed he was well within his rights to do so, as I'd already consented once and once was enough. Like I'd signed a contract or something.

I don't find it funny, or see it as a joke, but your neighbour had a fright. Nothing more. I've experienced the brutality and I don't whine over it. In fact, it's a lot bloody easier to look back on what happened with a shrug of my shoulders than it is to look back and quiver with fear. People with attitudes like yours do not help, I don't want to play the victim so stop making out like people need to tread carefully around people who have been through it.

syren, you just won two threads with one post hug

have you ever considered a career in training tiny dogs to stop yipyapping? you're a natural

Originally posted by PVS
syren, you just won two threads with one post hug

have you ever considered a career in training tiny dogs to stop yipyapping? you're a natural

Two threads?

No, I haven't. But now you mention it... hmm

Couldn't I just kick them?

Man I missed this thread, posting to much in the other.

Originally posted by Syren


Couldn't I just kick them?

that could work. sodomy also works like a charm

I'm sure it does. I'm taking notes here, you know. Would you consider providing me with a character reference?

Also, what other thread do you mean?

well, it all started here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=431323&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=19


20 pages of parroting later

Originally posted by PVS
well, it all started here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=431323&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=19


20 pages of parroting later

I think the creature finally retreated back its murky lair; it stopped replying to my post a few hours ago. Be ever vigilant for its return though. <---

Originally posted by PVS
well, it all started here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=431323&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=19


20 pages of parroting later

oh, im sorry. i didnt know that you have experience in both being raped as a child as well as dying: as in physical expiration. oh you dont? then how can you have the arrogance and audacity to compare two things of which you know precisely jack shit about?

Well said

Originally posted by Robtard
Now that's funny... After expressing how greatly you want to be a lawyer and then a judge so you can effectively change and command the legal system you now state that you took it upon yourself to do a little vigilantism. Are you "Batman", fighting against the law for the law?

So I take it you are unable to prove your accusation. Just say so, it's okay.

Oh believe me he was guilty, and I never laid a hand on him or anything illegal.

what did you do then, rape his dog?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Oh believe me he was guilty, and I never laid a hand on him or anything illegal.

Guilty of what? An attempt and a failure? How can you be certain of what he did?

Originally posted by PVS
what did you do then, rape his dog?

No, I ruined his life, lost him his job, his family, his friends, his gf, told his landlord and the first time he was a day late with his rent he got evicted

I told him if he ever came back, then I would come up with something more creative.

Originally posted by Syren
Guilty of what? An attempt and a failure? How can you be certain of what he did?

The person has never told a lie in her life. Shes lived a sheltered life and kindof has a naive innocent look at the world.

Originally posted by Starhawk
The person has never told a lie in her life. Shes lived a sheltered life and kindof has a naive innocent look at the world.

Ok, fair enough. But that makes you certain of what happened? I'm not suggesting she's a liar, but without hard evidence you definitely don't have the right to take the moral high ground and act as judge and executioner

Originally posted by Syren
Ok, fair enough. But that makes you certain of what happened? I'm not suggesting she's a liar, but without hard evidence you definitely don't have the right to take the moral high ground and act as judge and executioner

2 years earlier I saw the guy take a taco and ram it into his GF's face. he treats women like trash and has real anger issues. trust me he did it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
2 years earlier I saw the guy take a taco and ram it into his GF's face. he treats women like trash and has real anger issues. trust me he did it.

Ok, no worries. It's good of you to care enough to sort this guy out as he does sound like an @sshole. But really, it wasn't down to you to step in.

I know as a law student I'm supposed to believe 100% in the system to sort hings out but sometimes that system needs help.

As PVS said, you needn't play the vigilante role. If you want to be a hero, buy a cape