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If Danny is putting 100% of his concentration into his fist, what punch is it equivilant to? A spiderman punch? Iron man punch? thing punch?

A class of it's own

Above the Thing (or possibly the Hulk)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9066/p17rr2.th.jpg

Straight through Colossus without knocking him over .... that's pretty damn impressive.

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Originally posted by Scoobless
A class of it's own

Above the Thing (or possibly the Hulk)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9066/p17rr2.th.jpg

Straight through Colossus without knocking him over .... that's pretty damn impressive.

yes

Damn....thats impressive up the human race! If your genes aint proper go back to Genosha . Is that Luke with upgrade all battered up?

Nah, it's an alternate reality from Exiles ... same basic powers and abilities though.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nah, it's an alternate reality from Exiles ... same basic powers and abilities though.

So that doesn't count then.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So that doesn't count then.

If it's the same abilities, then it's no different. Just a different application.

Wow that's a pretty ridiculous punch...Is that IF's only power? I read on somewhere (wikipedia I think) that Danny can redirect his chi to enchance his strength, speed, and agility if he choses. I don't remember ever seeign any showing of this tho.

he can use his chi to heal himself and others quickly, as well. seems ridiculous, but it's metaphysical. no way to really say it's bullshit.

he knocked luke clear through a brick/concrete wall, across a street, and into another building with one hit once. someone else can do the math, but it was quite impressive. and he continued to fight afterward, meaning that the above-mentioned "100%" wasn't a factor. so i'd imagine it's much worse.

Yes, Danny can also amp his speed and strength with his Chi. The Iron Fist has mixed showings, but it is EASILY class 100 in it's highest showings.

He can also use his Chi to calm groups of people down. He did it in Maximum Carnage.

Some of my favorite IF showings are in that book.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
He can also use his Chi to calm groups of people down. He did it in Maximum Carnage.

Some of my favorite IF showings are in that book.

Iron Fist fought carnage? Why isn't he dead!?

Hes that good.

Actually he didn't punch a hole in Colossus, he nicked his side as you can see in the last scan. If anybody punched a hole in somebody it was Colossus punching through Luke Cage. That's a impressive strength feat imo.

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Colossus did take out Luke Cage and Iron Fist though!

All you see is Colossus covering the hole in his side with his hand.

Irn First did knock Colossus around like a ragdoll before though. Id say if fully concentrated, his punch could be equivalent to a Thing punch or higher.

Originally posted by Scoobless
All you see is Colossus covering the hole in his side with his hand.

Yeah IF is punching a hole in Colossus take a closer look at page 2 scoobless. great feat than colossus punching cage.

I know it's Exiles and all, but Colossus was a bit out of character. Protecting his sis is one thing, but killing his two friends like it's nothing is another thing.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Yeah IF is punching a hole in Colossus take a closer look at page 2 scoobless. great feat than colossus punching cage. I wouldn't call it a hole I would call it a graze if anything. But it would take alot of power to do that so I would say IF is packing a CL 100 punch or higher. Colossus has taken blows from Juggernaut and Gladiator before with less damage than that.

IIRC, Iron Fist was actually able to melt Black Panther's vibranium suit with his punch.


I'd say that's pretty impressive.

Danny is a Bad Mamma Jamma!

I think he has a respect thread.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I wouldn't call it a hole I would call it a graze if anything. But it would take alot of power to do that so I would say IF is packing a CL 100 punch or higher. Colossus has taken blows from Juggernaut and Gladiator before with less damage than that.

But that punch killed him ... otherwise the Exiles wouldn't have moved on from that world.

Originally posted by Scoobless
But that punch killed him ... otherwise the Exiles wouldn't have moved on from that world.

I know this. He bled to death cause of the wound and of the lack of medical attention. IF damaged him, that's for sure. But he didn't punch a hole through him as you can see in the last scan.

The second scan shows his fist going straight through, the last scan show collosus covering the wound.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The second scan shows his fist going straight through, the last scan show collosus covering the wound.

To me it looks like it's just grazing his side ripping through his shirt.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
To me it looks like it's just grazing his side ripping through his shirt.

IF did punch a hole in Colossus (2 page and look at the chi or the power from IF on page two)

in the 'return of the dragon' storyline in black panther, danny's powers were restored by the black dragon, who put danny under some voodoo and made him attack t'challa. in the next issue, which was a 'nuff said issue and had no dialogue, t'challa avoids a good number of the punches before getting buffeted around like a ragdoll. a comment is made that he only withstood the incredible beating due to his vibranium underweave, which took heavy damage in the attack.

remember in 616 where colossus received insane injuries that forced him to stay in metal form or he'd die from the trauma to his flesh-and-blood body? he didn't bleed to death there, yet he did here. just saying.

Originally posted by Disappear
in the 'return of the dragon' storyline in black panther, danny's powers were restored by the black dragon, who put danny under some voodoo and made him attack t'challa. in the next issue, which was a 'nuff said issue and had no dialogue, t'challa avoids a good number of the punches before getting buffeted around like a ragdoll. a comment is made that he only withstood the incredible beating due to his vibranium underweave, which took heavy damage in the attack.

remember in 616 where colossus received insane injuries that forced him to stay in metal form or he'd die from the trauma to his flesh-and-blood body? he didn't bleed to death there, yet he did here. just saying.



Good points.

Originally posted by Disappear
in the 'return of the dragon' storyline in black panther, danny's powers were restored by the black dragon, who put danny under some voodoo and made him attack t'challa. in the next issue, which was a 'nuff said issue and had no dialogue, t'challa avoids a good number of the punches before getting buffeted around like a ragdoll. a comment is made that he only withstood the incredible beating due to his vibranium underweave, which took heavy damage in the attack.

remember in 616 where colossus received insane injuries that forced him to stay in metal form or he'd die from the trauma to his flesh-and-blood body? he didn't bleed to death there, yet he did here. just saying.
that was not 616 that was aoa and magneto was the reason he did not die

Originally posted by Scoobless
A class of it's own

Above the Thing (or possibly the Hulk)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9066/p17rr2.th.jpg

Straight through Colossus without knocking him over .... that's pretty damn impressive.

yes
PIS.

That should have k.o'd whoever it hit. It's not just a punch backed by a lot of power, it's backed by energy and body magic which affects the person's nervous system.

A full on full powered IF punch would k.o Thing with ease. ONE punch from his fist RIPPED apart a thick layer of friggin' vibranium! Hulk has shown unable to do that.

Originally posted by long pig
PIS.

That should have k.o'd whoever it hit. It's not just a punch backed by a lot of power, it's backed by energy and body magic which affects the person's nervous system.

A full on full powered IF punch would k.o Thing with ease. ONE punch from his fist RIPPED apart a thick layer of friggin' vibranium! Hulk has shown unable to do that.

Quoted for truth.

Originally posted by capt it up
that was not 616 that was aoa and magneto was the reason he did not die

it happened in the 616 just following x-cutioner's song the aoa example, which had nothing to do with magneto as far as i know, happened years later in the divergent timeline. that's not what i was talking about.

to clarify, colossus was first injured by the marauder riptide, whose organic throwing stars punctured piotr's body, and left in a state in which his bioenergy was literally leaking from him. this is the event in which magneto aided him, though he eventually overcame his inability to return to human form. uncanny x-men 212 until whenever.

in uncanny x-men annual 17, as well as uncanny x-men issue 301, he was left in a state of severe trauma by a battle with the x-cutioner, after which he could not return to his human form for risk of dying immediately. this is what i was referencing.

Originally posted by Disappear
in the 'return of the dragon' storyline in black panther, danny's powers were restored by the black dragon, who put danny under some voodoo and made him attack t'challa. in the next issue, which was a 'nuff said issue and had no dialogue, t'challa avoids a good number of the punches before getting buffeted around like a ragdoll. a comment is made that he only withstood the incredible beating due to his vibranium underweave, which took heavy damage in the attack.


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Uh, Colossus isn't supposed to bleed in his metal form, he does that in here.Who knows what other chances are there to his powers in this reality.. From what I read, in this universe Colossus joined the Heroes for hire, instead of X-men. So, maybe this Colossus never faced Riptide, was wounded and then upgraded by Magneto. Meaning this Colossus would be weaker than the 616 version. And wasnt Colossus first supposed to have only metal skin, not entire body..?

instead? why not after? the "avengers package" implies that other superteams existed in that universe, so who can say what did or did not happen in terms of a similar history to 616. for all we know, colossus went through numerous missions which ended worse for him than the encounter with riptide. that's neither here nor there, however. with no physical similarities explicitly written out, this colossus bleeds to death because danny punched through his stomach.

Originally posted by Disappear
instead? why not after? the "avengers package" implies that other superteams existed in that universe, so who can say what did or did not happen in terms of a similar history to 616. for all we know, colossus went through numerous missions which ended worse for him than the encounter with riptide. that's neither here nor there, however. with no physical similarities explicitly written out, this colossus bleeds to death because danny punched through his stomach.

Well, yeah, except that 616 Colossus doesn't bleed blood.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Well, yeah, except that 616 Colossus doesn't bleed blood.

yes he does. astonishing x-men, emma's psychic sebastien shaw gives colossus a tidy little nosebleed.

edit: nuts, i just realized that in astonishing he bleeds liquid metal.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I know this. He bled to death cause of the wound and of the lack of medical attention. IF damaged him, that's for sure. But he didn't punch a hole through him as you can see in the last scan. Umm, ya he did, look at the third scan when he is holding Danny, there is metal ripped where his hole is.

*remembers when people said that IF couldn't ko Wolverine*

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
If Danny is putting 100% of his concentration into his fist, what punch is it equivilant to? A spiderman punch? Iron man punch? thing punch?
It's above Superman and below Bone Claw Wolverine.

Here's a good question:

Would an all out Iron Fist from danny, at the top of it's showings, be able to damage adamantium? At all?

We saw him rip up vibranium, and **** up Colossus' organic steel. How would Danny, theoretically, do against some Adamantium?

The IF's highest showings vs adamantium's highest showings?

Can't say, but I have my doubts he'd do any thing. IIRC, Thor once threw Mjolnir as hard as he could at a block of adamantium and only made a small dent in it.

Originally posted by Accel
The IF's highest showings vs adamantium's highest showings?

Can't say, but I have my doubts he'd do any thing. IIRC, Thor once threw Mjolnir as hard as he could at a block of adamantium and only made a small dent in it.

More specifically, Adamantium's lower showings, .

I figure Danny could probably puncture secondary adamantium with the Iron Fist.

I'm not so sure about primary.

I doubt it'd harm first grade Adamantium. True Adamantium is really the only constant in the Marvel U. Nothing has really ever been shown to be strong enough to physically harm it by breaking or bending.

Second grade would get dented up.

Originally posted by Accel
The IF's highest showings vs adamantium's highest showings?

Can't say, but I have my doubts he'd do any thing. IIRC, Thor once threw Mjolnir as hard as he could at a block of adamantium and only made a small dent in it.
that was secondary adamatium

Doubt that Iron Fist could harm true adamantium. Etc. Namor punched an robot made out of true adamantium and didn't hurt it...and I rate Namor's highest punches far above Iron Fist's...

i'd say danny's uppermost limit would be akin to namor on a good day. not on his best day, considering some evidences that suggest he's just a ****ing bulldog of destruction when he wants to be, but certainly danny at least hits namor's average.

Iron Fist ko'ed Hercules with one punch to the face.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Iron Fist ko'ed Hercules with one punch to the face.

That's some good chi!!!

Hercules was drunk and had beers in his hand, but it worked. (Heores for Hire #3)