Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

I wanted to share this with others, and get your take on it. I also want to see if there's anyone else that feels the same way about it that I do.

Ok, first let me say that I've seen a lot of horror movies, so I'm not speaking out of my ass when I say this. When I first saw Saw, I felt liberated; as a horror movie fan, it was a liberating experience. It was after I first saw it that I realized just how stylized and childish in horror concepts that a lot of the old horror movies are. Movies like The Shining, The Exorcist--I love these movies and think that The Shining is better than Saw, but their concepts seem so stylized as far as horror goes. It's the "ghost" the "supernatural monster" This is a lot of what the older horor movies were about.

When viewing Saw, what I witnessed was real horror. No monsters, no ghosts. No safe for hollywood act, just raw horror that was right in my face. I also felt like the antagonist, Jigsaw, was like a real person. I've can't remember feeling that from any of the older horror movies. I couldn't often relate to the bad guy, and so he seemed less frighting to me, less out of reach with reality. Don't get me wrong, supernatural can be good, but when it's done in such a high-blown manner, it losses its touch.

Was I drunk when watching Saw, or do some of you feel the same way about it compared to some of the older horror movies?

When I first seen Saw, I thought it was a sloppy attept at Seven.

Overrated, over-hyped, and very (to include a word you used) childish.

The screenplay must've been written over a blade session, because the "twists" are about as lame and predicatable as your girlfriend being a **** deep down.

Saw is a disgrace to horror.

Great maestros like Fulci would laugh at that garbage.

I hope everyone ever involved in Saw or any of its sequels/prequels, or whatever is to come, DIES. **** them all.

Wow...When I first saw Saw...which was against my will...my sister made me watch it...I really didn't think it was anything special...still don't actually...It just didn't interst me and it's one of the reasons I never saw the sequels and never will...just not my thing...and it's incredibly over rated

Originally posted by Graveyard Shift

Was I drunk when watching Saw, or do some of you feel the same way about it compared to some of the older horror movies?

I guess you were drunk and no i personally dont.

Originally posted by Graveyard Shift
I wanted to share this with others, and get your take on it. I also want to see if there's anyone else that feels the same way about it that I do.

Ok, first let me say that I've seen a lot of horror movies, so I'm not speaking out of my ass when I say this. When I first saw Saw, I felt liberated; as a horror movie fan, it was a liberating experience. It was after I first saw it that I realized just how stylized and childish in horror concepts that a lot of the old horror movies are. Movies like The Shining, The Exorcist--I love these movies and think that The Shining is better than Saw, but their concepts seem so stylized as far as horror goes. It's the "ghost" the "supernatural monster" This is a lot of what the older horor movies were about.

When viewing Saw, what I witnessed was real horror. No monsters, no ghosts. No safe for hollywood act, just raw horror that was right in my face. I also felt like the antagonist, Jigsaw, was like a real person. I've can't remember feeling that from any of the older horror movies. I couldn't often relate to the bad guy, and so he seemed less frighting to me, less out of reach with reality. Don't get me wrong, supernatural can be good, but when it's done in such a high-blown manner, it losses its touch.

Was I drunk when watching Saw, or do some of you feel the same way about it compared to some of the older horror movies?

No you were not drunk and don't mind these others who think they are true horror experts. But yes seeing something as real and visceral as Saw could potentially be in real life (something that is rare in horror movies, especially in ages past)... Its the same way with this new movie Turistas coming out, not very hard for something like this to happen. All it takes is a little cunning and little force... Come to think of it, Running Scared (despite the name) could possibly be considered a horror movie especially two-thirds through it and you get into some really deep, dark, sinister stuff that actually happens in the real world... That is scary. Most of the horror movies of the past have no effect on today's generation. My little brother can attest to that, he's been through Nightmare, Halloween, Friday the 13th, and several others, and ... well he almost fell asleep during the 1st (1978 version, i think) TCM, not mention laughing so hard at the clips of Lucio, Argento, italian horror, that he nearly crapped himself!

Originally posted by Graveyard Shift
I wanted to share this with others, and get your take on it. I also want to see if there's anyone else that feels the same way about it that I do.

Ok, first let me say that I've seen a lot of horror movies, so I'm not speaking out of my ass when I say this. When I first saw Saw, I felt liberated; as a horror movie fan, it was a liberating experience. It was after I first saw it that I realized just how stylized and childish in horror concepts that a lot of the old horror movies are. Movies like The Shining, The Exorcist--I love these movies and think that The Shining is better than Saw, but their concepts seem so stylized as far as horror goes. It's the "ghost" the "supernatural monster" This is a lot of what the older horor movies were about.

When viewing Saw, what I witnessed was real horror. No monsters, no ghosts. No safe for hollywood act, just raw horror that was right in my face. I also felt like the antagonist, Jigsaw, was like a real person. I've can't remember feeling that from any of the older horror movies. I couldn't often relate to the bad guy, and so he seemed less frighting to me, less out of reach with reality. Don't get me wrong, supernatural can be good, but when it's done in such a high-blown manner, it losses its touch.

Was I drunk when watching Saw, or do some of you feel the same way about it compared to some of the older horror movies?

I liked Saw a lot when I first saw it. And I still do.

I don't know why so many people hate it here on KMC.

I think the writing was pretty good. The situation that those two were put in was pretty clever. And the way that the story was able to keep you guessing about whom jigsaw was was good writing. The whole premise of the movie is to deliver a twist at the end. If it the writing was bad, I think more people would have been able to figure out who Jigsaw was.

Originally posted by Graveyard Shift
I think the writing was pretty good. The situation that those two were put in was pretty clever. And the way that the story was able to keep you guessing about whom jigsaw was was good writing. The whole premise of the movie is to deliver a twist at the end. If it the writing was bad, I think more people would have been able to figure out who Jigsaw was.

no offence, but shut up.
good writing? it seemed like a half-assed attempt like the writers got a block and then just said "heyyyyyy, what if the guy laying in the middle of the room was him all along..... yeeeeeahhhhhhhh".

horrible, horrible......

if that is writing genius, then what i just wrote surpasses shakespeare.

Jesus... the anti-Saw members on this forum are really hostile.

I honestly do not see how the writing was bad at all, nor the acting.

LOL. Shut up. Shows how mature you are.

The point of this thread wasn't to debate about the movies writing; I was just trying to get people's takes on the horror element of it; if they felt the movie was more so of a real life horror than older horror movies. I'm sorry your attention span is so short that you couldn't read the first post to see that.

You must have been 14 or 15 while watching Saw.

Enough said.

LMAO...I'm part of the Anti-SAW KMC-ers...The movie just wasn't all that people hype it up to be...and we're not all hostile...maybe you're just overly sensitive...would you like a kiss for your boo boo?

Not hostile. "You must have been 14, 15 while watching this movie."

"Shut up."

Yeah, that's not hostile. I'm not sensitive at all; I just find the childish comments on here to be amazingly stupid. If you don't likea movie fine. But don't come in here saying things like "shut up" and "you must have been 14 or 15 while watching the movie" just because you don't agree with someone's opinion. If anything, that post proves your mental age.

Wow, im amazed to see people who seem to hate the Saw movies so much. It was no where near an attempt at Seven or anywhere close, killing style was a resemblence, that was all. In saw the victims were chosen because the killer who appreciated life, hated those who did not and attempted to show them that there life was worth living, granted he did it in a sadistic manner, still not the point.

I see Saw as a revolution among Horror movies, it brought to the masses and brought it well, a Horror movie. Something people could fear walking out of a theatre because well unlike the supernatural killers of the past, Jigsaw was real, and in todays world it could happen. It finally brought a great genre of movies away from the cheesy, lets try to be humerous, low budget flicks weve grown up with.

Now dont get started on the fact of bad writing, BADWRITING? These three movies tie together and twist into one another better than any triology ive seen. Reverting back to previous movies and keeping the story line in check. Did a damn better job than anything through the 1970's-2000.

The deaths were creative, unique. He wasnt running around with a knife, or being posessed, or a ghost, etc. Gore was plenty. Pushing your way through barbwire, cutting a live person open to get a key, putting your hand into acid, being thrown into a pit of needles, cutting your own foot off. Original. The deaths alone put Saw above every horror movie to date, the story line and how well the plot and everyone ties in together is beautiful.

Like I said for horror movies it was a Revolution, got them some respect(FINALLY!) A great story line, great actng by horror standards, great deaths, the story line staying consistant, and the killer always being on top due to human emotions. It made a great movie and a better triology. Period.

Were not hostile...we just know our rat shit from rice crispies.

I also think it speaks volumes that the majority of Pro Saw members of KMC rarely contribute to the Horror Forum.

And Vim and TURISTAS
it just sounds like a HOSTEL rip off set in Brazil,
how original...another bunch of teenagers being picked off one by one by a psycho.
and i for one dont give a **** what the less movie savy of todays generation think of Fulci,Argento and pre 90s horror if they think SAW and Wrong Turn are the sh!t their opinions on horror as a genre dont matter.

I agree wholeheartedly with vintage.

And, in his spirit of not caring what you Saw groupies think of the horror genre, I do not care what you all think of my attitude towards the human race in general. Nothing said in this thread has scarred my way of thinking.

First off,I don't recall having said "You must have been 14, 15 while watching this movie." or "Shut up"...oh,wait,you know why?BECAUSE I DIDN"T...That's fine that you think SAW is like this big horror masterpeice (which I totally do not agree with) but not everyone on here has that same opinion...That's what the forum's for...for everyone on here to express their opinion...And SAW is hardly part of a horror revolution and maybe the 3 movies stories blend together so well is because they keep going back and seeing what stupid thing they can think up to tie them together...They're probably shouldn't have even been a sequel to SAW but of course it's all about the money in this industry and SAW is a cash cow...So in closing I still think SAW is crap.

SAW is just an average horror flick and is over-rated actually. But SAW II is good and has more interesting story.

And "The Shining" and "The Exorcist" are much better horror movies then SAW.

Thank you.

They keep going to back to properly tie the movies together instead of throwing you a sequel that has nothing to do with its previous movie. There shouldnt of been a sequal to most horror or slasher movies, the exorcist for sure didnt need any. Saw took away the lame, cheesy, bad rep that Horror has gotten for so long.

Originally posted by Espantada23
First off,I don't recall having said "You must have been 14, 15 while watching this movie." or "Shut up"...oh,wait,you know why?BECAUSE I DIDN"T...That's fine that you think SAW is like this big horror masterpeice (which I totally do not agree with) but not everyone on here has that same opinion...That's what the forum's for...for everyone on here to express their opinion...And SAW is hardly part of a horror revolution and maybe the 3 movies stories blend together so well is because they keep going back and seeing what stupid thing they can think up to tie them together...They're probably shouldn't have even been a sequel to SAW but of course it's all about the money in this industry and SAW is a cash cow...So in closing I still think SAW is crap.

you're a dumbass. i said saw sucks ****face.
if this was casino i'd stab you in the neck with a pen right now.

Originally posted by LaHaine
you're a dumbass. i said saw sucks ****face.
if this was casino i'd stab you in the neck with a pen right now.

LaHaine,my comment was directed at Graveyard Shift,not you...please remove the pen from my jugular.

Originally posted by Graveyard Shift
Not hostile. "You must have been 14, 15 while watching this movie."

"Shut up."

Yeah, that's not hostile. I'm not sensitive at all; I just find the childish comments on here to be amazingly stupid. If you don't likea movie fine. But don't come in here saying things like "shut up" and "you must have been 14 or 15 while watching the movie" just because you don't agree with someone's opinion. If anything, that post proves your mental age.

To clarify...that up there was the comment I was referring to...because before he posted this one I had said that not all Anti-SAW-ers are hostile...and I offered to kiss the boo boo on his bruised ego.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7


Well it sure was a short holiday because Saw,its imitations AND the remakes that have been greenlit because of the popularity of SAW have left us in a worst state than ever.

When I first saw Saw, I saw the potential to be today's next big horror franchise.

In a worse state than ever? Please tell me a horror genre film thats done half as well? Unless you want to count the gross amounts of FvJ which doesnt even fall under a horror category because its a slasher, nothing has come close. Like I said I want to see the horror genre do well and get some respect, Saw was able to do that where the vast majority have failed.

Originally posted by LaHaine


The screenplay must've been written over a blade session, because the "twists" are about as lame and predicatable as your girlfriend being a **** deep down.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
In a worse state than ever? Please tell me a horror genre film thats done half as well? Unless you want to count the gross amounts of FvJ which doesnt even fall under a horror category because its a slasher, nothing has come close. Like I said I want to see the horror genre do well and get some respect, Saw was able to do that where the vast majority have failed.

because of the popularity of Saw with the average cinema goer studios are knocking out horror "spectacles" they are making films that are just there to gross people out and make em jump....which aint hard with that audience...ive been in their prescence.
Studios are making horror films for people who dont usually like horror flicks
they are making movies for kids who just want to be grossed out with fx and thats what the SAW pics are.
as much as i dislike FvJ those two are not slashers but supernatural characters because they are undead MONSTERS..fantastical characters.

They are making movies with fx for kids who want to be grossed out...I think we may need to re evaluate the horror genre and what falls under it. Exactly that gore and trying to make people jump, its what horror has always been.

FvJ doesnt fall under horror because they are supernatural characters, then I guess the same could be said for the Exorcist? Or anyone else who is posessed, undead, etc.

Saw finally took Horror away from the cheesy, indie, low budget rep its always had and actually got it some credit. I never said every horror movie that came out was great, sadly the majority are low budget, cheesy, and get NO respect. Saw was the first to really change that, hence why I said as far as Horror goes, it was a revolution.

Im saying Freddie and Jason ARE horror because they are supernatural you totally mis read me there pal.

Im sorry but many a low budget indie horror flick has more going for it than SAW ever will.
Evil Dead was a low budget indie flick and give me any mid 80s cheesy indie straight to video gem like Brain Damage or Basket Case over Saw any day.
10 years ago i used to think Lucio Fulci pics were cheesy low budget gore filled ok pics...over time ive grown to realise they are CLASSICS.
Big budget Horror movies on the whole SUCK nowadays
I aint got time to get into this as ive got to nip out but Saw is in part due to the quality of Horror flicks that reach the big screen being a big pile of crap for the lowest common denominator.

AND Horror films are not about the jumps and the gore.......its about the STORY too which many a SAW fan on here seems to miss as ive had to point out every time ive replied to one.

I remember seeing the trailer for Saw a couple years ago, and getting so excited over it. Too bad it was awful.

I love all three Saw's. But I don't not consider them a horror movie. I consider it more of a thriller.

And I HATE all new Horror movies. Each and every one SUCKS.

i want to kill all of you who defend Saw or new horror movies.

calling Saw the savior of horror is the equivalent of spitting in my face. You will die.

Originally posted by vintageSW77
because of the popularity of Saw with the average cinema goer studios are knocking out horror "spectacles" they are making films that are just there to gross people out and make em jump....which aint hard with that audience...ive been in their prescence.
Studios are making horror films for people who dont usually like horror flicks
they are making movies for kids who just want to be grossed out with fx and thats what the SAW pics are.
as much as i dislike FvJ those two are not slashers but supernatural characters because they are undead MONSTERS..fantastical characters.



If you want to imply that Freddy and Jason are horror because they are supernatural, then you should prehaps state your posts a bit more clearly. A low budget, indie horror flick has more going for it than Saw ever will? Would these be the same indine horror flicks that any depth on their characters, poor acting, cheesy film quality, and the lack of any back story to them at all? If you wanted to stand up for indie horror, trying to say that is isnt about the jumps and gore and is about the STORY, you have a poor arguement on your hands. I would like you to name me ONE 80's Indie horror flick that the story is put together as well, stays consistant, and follows throughly through three sequels. Point being, you can't. Don't attempt to shove a story arguement down my throat when every movie you've pointed out is horribly inconsistant and the "story" fails to have any back depth to it.

Evil Dead falls under the same category no depth to their characters, poor acting, cheesy film quality, and the lack of a good consistant story, yet I own all three. Same goes for Freddy or Jason, I own them all, but it doesn't change the fact the acting is for the most part horrible, the films are cheesy, low budget, and the story is inconsistant.
Just picked up a Dario Argento film the other day, JENIFER, same applied to it as the others, the acting sucked, no back story on ANY of the character, numerous plot holes, horrible dialogue, etc. Still enjoyed the movie, but thats not the point here.

I appreciate the classic cheesy films as much as anyone, but I also realize that in comparision Saw has anything up to date beat in acting, film quality, story consistancy, etc. It has nothing to do with disliking the indie side or horror or defending Saw, it has to do with the obvious.

Quote - as much as i dislike FvJ those two are not slashers but supernatural characters because they are undead MONSTERS..fantastical characters.

it might be on the Yoda tip but its clear

As is my comment about horror pics not being just about gore and jumps but story too......see i said TOO meaning ALL three

Not seen MASTERS OF HORROR so i cant comment on JENNIFER
its a tv movie though about an hour long tho aint it with cuts?

Your right i cant name any 80s indie horror movie with 3 sequels that were consistant
But YOU think SAW is consistant while i think 1,2 and 3 are equally crap so were onto a non starter there.
I can name a whole bunch of great Horror movies with crap sequels unfortunatly.........99% of them.
Re Animator was an indie with one crap sequel out of 3 but they didnt have the backing,advertising and budget of SAW so they ended up with a pile of crap to finish that series with when they shouldve just bowed out with BRIDE....most low budget directors want to make worthy sequels with good production values but they just dont have the money.

Whats SAWs excuse??

i meant great 80s indie horror flicks with sequels
of course

Originally posted by LaHaine
i want to kill all of you who defend Saw or new horror movies.

calling Saw the savior of horror is the equivalent of spitting in my face. You will die.

If we fought, I'd win. It'd be like The Hulk vs. Dakota Fanning. Me being the Hulk.

Originally posted by DanZeke25
If we fought, I'd win. It'd be like The Hulk vs. Dakota Fanning. Me being the Hulk.

You wouldn't like Dakota Fanning angry......

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Quote - as much as i dislike FvJ those two are not slashers but supernatural characters because they are undead MONSTERS..fantastical characters.

it might be on the Yoda tip but its clear

As is my comment about horror pics not being just about gore and jumps but story too......see i said TOO meaning ALL three

Not seen MASTERS OF HORROR so i cant comment on JENNIFER
its a tv movie though about an hour long tho aint it with cuts?

Your right i cant name any 80s indie horror movie with 3 sequels that were consistant
But YOU think SAW is consistant while i think 1,2 and 3 are equally crap so were onto a non starter there.
I can name a whole bunch of great Horror movies with crap sequels unfortunatly.........99% of them.
Re Animator was an indie with one crap sequel out of 3 but they didnt have the backing,advertising and budget of SAW so they ended up with a pile of crap to finish that series with when they shouldve just bowed out with BRIDE....most low budget directors want to make worthy sequels with good production values but they just dont have the money.

Whats SAWs excuse??

On a side note, the Masters of Horror is a tv movie, each about an hour long, no cuts for the most part. Its a good series, and has A LOT of good "Masters of Horror" behind it. Still on the collecting side, so im not sure how many of them there are.

How wasn't Saw consistant? All of the characters tie in greatly, each with a back stabbing movtive and some connection to the people around them, the enviroments were connected and revisited through out saw 1 and 2, leading to three then being able to show a back story of why the girl is being "tested" in Saw 3. The killer always had a select plan of bringing everyone together and always came out on top of the victims. It wasn't just mindless, no story, killing. There was a deeper motive to it and a good story to back it up. The story was full, the dialogue was decent(suprising for anything near the horror genre), there were no plot holes, the acting was decent and the kills were creative. That right there speaks enough for the movie.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Wow, im amazed to see people who seem to hate the Saw movies so much. It was no where near an attempt at Seven or anywhere close, killing style was a resemblence, that was all. In saw the victims were chosen because the killer who appreciated life, hated those who did not and attempted to show them that there life was worth living, granted he did it in a sadistic manner, still not the point.

I see Saw as a revolution among Horror movies, it brought to the masses and brought it well, a Horror movie. Something people could fear walking out of a theatre because well unlike the supernatural killers of the past, Jigsaw was real, and in todays world it could happen. It finally brought a great genre of movies away from the cheesy, lets try to be humerous, low budget flicks weve grown up with.

Now dont get started on the fact of bad writing, BADWRITING? These three movies tie together and twist into one another better than any triology ive seen. Reverting back to previous movies and keeping the story line in check. Did a damn better job than anything through the 1970's-2000.

The deaths were creative, unique. He wasnt running around with a knife, or being posessed, or a ghost, etc. Gore was plenty. Pushing your way through barbwire, cutting a live person open to get a key, putting your hand into acid, being thrown into a pit of needles, cutting your own foot off. Original. The deaths alone put Saw above every horror movie to date, the story line and how well the plot and everyone ties in together is beautiful.

Like I said for horror movies it was a Revolution, got them some respect(FINALLY!) A great story line, great actng by horror standards, great deaths, the story line staying consistant, and the killer always being on top due to human emotions. It made a great movie and a better triology. Period.


punk

I couldn't have said it any better.

Fighting over SAW?...That is beyond lame.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Wow, im amazed to see people who seem to hate the Saw movies so much. It was no where near an attempt at Seven or anywhere close, killing style was a resemblence, that was all. In saw the victims were chosen because the killer who appreciated life, hated those who did not and attempted to show them that there life was worth living, granted he did it in a sadistic manner, still not the point.

I see Saw as a revolution among Horror movies, it brought to the masses and brought it well, a Horror movie. Something people could fear walking out of a theatre because well unlike the supernatural killers of the past, Jigsaw was real, and in todays world it could happen. It finally brought a great genre of movies away from the cheesy, lets try to be humerous, low budget flicks weve grown up with.

Now dont get started on the fact of bad writing, BADWRITING? These three movies tie together and twist into one another better than any triology ive seen. Reverting back to previous movies and keeping the story line in check. Did a damn better job than anything through the 1970's-2000.

The deaths were creative, unique. He wasnt running around with a knife, or being posessed, or a ghost, etc. Gore was plenty. Pushing your way through barbwire, cutting a live person open to get a key, putting your hand into acid, being thrown into a pit of needles, cutting your own foot off. Original. The deaths alone put Saw above every horror movie to date, the story line and how well the plot and everyone ties in together is beautiful.

Like I said for horror movies it was a Revolution, got them some respect(FINALLY!) A great story line, great actng by horror standards, great deaths, the story line staying consistant, and the killer always being on top due to human emotions. It made a great movie and a better triology. Period.

Well said, my friend. Well said. Most of your points are very valid.

Now, I'd like to inform everyone that I don't think Saw is the best horror/thriller movie ever, or that it started a revolution. But, in my opinion, after seeing countless shitty horror movies and growing to not expect much out of the franchise, Saw surprised and impressed me (and please, for those of you who don't like the Saw movies, that's fine, but don't resort to bashing it's fans. That's childish).

I personally think that Saw is better than your average horror movie and that it's done in such a way that draws you in and makes it so you can't help but like it. Now obviously this isn't fully true, since we have so many people that hate it here on KMC, but I'm merely speaking for myself and maybe also for the others that are fans.

So far, when I've asked for why people don't like the Saw movies, they say bad writing. That's pretty much their only reason. I fail to see where the writing is any worse than your average horror movie. I consider it better.

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Well said, my friend. Well said. Most of your points are very valid.

Now, I'd like to inform everyone that I don't think Saw is the best horror/thriller movie ever, or that it started a revolution. But, in my opinion, after seeing countless shitty horror movies and growing to not expect much out of the franchise, Saw surprised and impressed me (and please, for those of you who don't like the Saw movies, that's fine, but don't resort to bashing it's fans. That's childish).

I personally think that Saw is better than your average horror movie and that it's done in such a way that draws you in and makes it so you can't help but like it. Now obviously this isn't fully true, since we have so many people that hate it here on KMC, but I'm merely speaking for myself and maybe also for the others that are fans.

So far, when I've asked for why people don't like the Saw movies, they say bad writing. That's pretty much their only reason. I fail to see where the writing is any worse than your average horror movie. I consider it better.

I'm BAAACCKK!! I hate to bring this back to the limelight, but I hadn't seen SAW 3 yet and I have seen it and I have to say that the whole series has went down the terd tubes with avengance! Holy crapola, Batman! Saw was original, and then by the time we get to three its just rehashing itself! Yuck! I now officially hate the Saw sequels and only praise the original because it was just that. No other horror movie had done what Saw did, you left that damn theater or your house (if you rented it) wondering if there was truly some psycho out there that could knock you out and drug you long enough to set up some elaborate trap such as in the movie... Or at least I thought that anyway. Also since they've gotten the go ahead with a Saw 4, how much worse can it get?? Now its time for something to be more original than Saw 1 and become the new "thing". By the way I have had time to watch some of these other "classic horror" movies, and still haven't seen anything that impressed me as much as Saw did... Just what I thought, my opinion, and you can't change no matter how hard you try..

"Saw" was pretty good. The only movies that scare me so bad that I can't watch them are demon movies. And I was almost to the point of covering my eyes on certain parts of Saw. I haven't done that in along time. And the ending was just to die for. Movies don't have good endings anymore.