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Superman

vs.

Wonder Woman with Mjolnir AND Captain America's shield .


Assume she can pick up Mjolnir and use it's full potential for this battle.


Who wins?

.........

If she can match him with her regular trinkets, the hammer is going to put her over him by a fair bit.

She murders him.

Yep, Wonder Woman for the win!

If she could use the hammer, which she wouldn't be able to, then she'd win.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
If she could use the hammer, which she wouldn't be able to, then she'd win. There's more support that she can wield Mjolnir, than the contrary.

Don't know if she can use it, but she can definately pick it up.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's more support that she can wield Mjolnir, than the contrary.

Marvel vs DC isn't canon.

Also, if Superman can't lift it, then why would a crazy feminist murderer be able to?

Originally posted by Madvillain
Don't know if she can use it, but she can definately pick it up.

What's the difference?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's more support that she can wield Mjolnir, than the contrary.

Luv the sig sweetie.

If wonder women knew how to use it then she would be able to fry him like a half baked turkey on a thanksgiving dinner plate. She can't so superman owns her 10/10.

Edit: reread the first post which say's she can, WW 10/10

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Marvel vs DC isn't canon.

Also, if Superman can't lift it, then why would a crazy feminist murderer be able to? She's lifted it twice in different books iirc. For the most part fights in crossovers aren't canon because they're either riddled with PIS or fanvoted or both.

Edit: Superman is not really "a warrior born".

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Luv the sig sweetie. Not sure if it's too "busy".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She's lifted it twice in different books iirc. For the most part fights in crossovers aren't canon because they're either riddled with PIS or fanvoted or both.

She lifted it in Marvel vs DC, and you're forgetting that she's killed in cold blood since then.

Also, NONE of Marvel vs DC is canon.

Thor hasn't killed in cold blood...?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Thor hasn't killed in cold blood...?

Not in a rage. He's killed out of necessity. I'm talking about a murder.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not sure if it's too "busy".

I actually like it as is. Its not as if its stripes and polka dots.


Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Marvel vs DC isn't canon.

Also, if Superman can't lift it, then why would a crazy feminist murderer be able to?

Why would Superman be able too?

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Why would Superman be able too?

He did for a short time, but then Odin just flat out said no, and deemed him unworthy.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Not in a rage. He's killed out of necessity. I'm talking about a murder.

WW killed out of necessity has well. Several times.



And Thor has killed several people because they pissed him off.

That's why there's a "Warrior Madness" Thor....

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Not in a rage. He's killed out of necessity. I'm talking about a murder. She killed out of necessity. The lasso was around him - he was telling the truth. It was necessary to kill him.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
What's the difference?


Between lifting something up, and being able to use it effectively? Well use your own goddamn brain to answer that one.

Originally posted by Draco69
WW killed out of necessity has well. Several times.



And Thor has killed several people because they pissed him off.

That's why there's a "Warrior Madness" Thor....


You've obviously never read Blood and Thunder.

btw Femme, here's the scan I was talking about:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/liftingmjolnir.jpg

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
He did for a short time, but then Odin just flat out said no, and deemed him unworthy.

Okay sweetie Wonder Woman is far more worthy of any type of god/myth anything than Superman is. Its like saying why would she have a better chance of beating Thor than Superman. ABC logic doesn't work here.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You've obviously never read Blood and Thunder.

btw Femme, here's the scan I was talking about:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/liftingmjolnir.jpg

You obviously read "Sacrifice" incorrectly....

Diana killed Maxwell Lord because she believed it was the only true way to free Superman from his control.

She also killed Deimos because he was about to implode his home dimension on her friends.

She kills only if necessity.

I notice you call her " a Nazi-Feminist" which shows you're just another fan with a vendetta against her politics rather than her character much less possessing any tangible knowledge about the character herself.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Okay sweetie Wonder Woman is far more worthy of any type of god/myth anything than Superman is. Its like saying why would she have a better chance of beating Thor than Superman. ABC logic doesn't work here.

ABC Logic? Give me proof that she's more worthy than Superman. To be honest, Superman is a boy scout with a heart of gold. Wonder Woman is a raving loon.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Okay sweetie Wonder Woman is far more worthy of any type of god/myth anything than Superman is. Its like saying why would she have a better chance of beating Thor than Superman. ABC logic doesn't work here.

Superman CAN'T lift the hammer under normal circumstances simply because he doesn't have a "warrior's heart" like Thor, Diana, Hercules or Namor.

It has nothing to do with Boy-Scoutness....why do you all think Horse-Face could lift it?

Odin basically temporarily overruled the hammer's enchantment so that Superman could lift it even though he isn't "worthy" to.Originally posted by Madvillain
Between lifting something up, and being able to use it effectively? Well use your own goddamn brain to answer that one. If one is worth to hold it, they should technically be bestowed with the power of Thor.

Originally posted by Draco69
You obviously read "Sacrifice" incorrectly....

Diana killed Maxwell Lord because she believed it was the only true way to free Superman from his control.

She also killed Deimos because he was about to implode his home dimension on her friends.

She kills only if necessity.

I notice you call her " a Nazi-Feminist" which shows you're just another fan with a vendetta against her politics rather than her character much less possessing any tangible knowledge about the character herself.

Yeah, give me an unbiased opinion, KASE.

I'd like to hear an undiluted opinion, because it's not hard to see that she killed Lord out of anger. She even admitted to it in IC 1.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yeah, give me an unbiased opinion, KASE. One could say the same to you quite easily. Well not the KASE part, I have no idea what that's meant to imply.

I'm pretty sure Draco is KASE from Superherochat.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yeah, give me an unbiased opinion, KASE.

I'd like to hear an undiluted opinion, because it's not hard to see that she killed Lord out of anger. She even admitted to it in IC 1. Did you actually read Sacrifice?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Did you actually read Sacrifice?

Did you read Infinite Crisis? She admitted to killing him in cold blood!

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
ABC Logic? Give me proof that she's more worthy than Superman. To be honest, Superman is a boy scout with a heart of gold. Wonder Woman is a raving loon.



Again, you're biased against WW because apparently you're insecure with the idea of feminism...much less actually understand the concept of feminism.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Odin basically temporarily overruled the hammer's enchantment so that Superman could lift it even though he isn't "worthy" to.If one is worth to hold it, they should technically be bestowed with the power of Thor.

in plain english. using it effectively..as thor would use it.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Did you read Infinite Crisis? She admitted to killing him in cold blood!

She said she killed Maxwell Lord "because had to" She did what she thought was best.

And for person with an Iron Man sig...

Originally posted by Madvillain
Between lifting something up, and being able to use it effectively? Well use your own goddamn brain to answer that one.

In this case can you do one without the other?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You've obviously never read Blood and Thunder.

btw Femme, here's the scan I was talking about:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/liftingmjolnir.jpg

Saw that and.....

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Odin basically temporarily overruled the hammer's enchantment so that Superman could lift it even though he isn't "worthy" to.

Originally posted by Madvillain
Superman

vs.

Wonder Woman with Mjolnir AND Captain America's shield .


Assume she can pick up Mjolnir and use it's full potential for this battle.


Who wins? meh.......

With these stipulations WW takes it.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I'm pretty sure Draco is KASE from Superherochat.

You're paranoid....



I don't go to Superherochat because they don't argue rationally.

Hell, I read a thread stating that Spider-Man could beat Martian Manhunter without his telepathy...

Originally posted by Draco69
She said she killed Maxwell Lord "because had to" She did what she thought was best.

And for person with an Iron Man sig...



http://www.vortrupp.de/humor/pics/bullshit.jpg

I wasn't suggesting she'd be able to use it as effectively as Thor. But she'd be able to wield it in a basic manner.Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Did you read Infinite Crisis? She admitted to killing him in cold blood! So that's a no? The term "cold blood" does not indicate "in anger".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wasn't suggesting she'd be able to use it as effectively as Thor. But she'd be able to wield it in a basic manner.So that's a no? The term "cold blood" does not indicate "in anger".

You are aware what the definition of murder is, right.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yeah, give me an unbiased opinion, KASE.

Who the f*ck are talking about?

Jesus, these newbies are mental..

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I'd like to hear an undiluted opinion, because it's not hard to see that she killed Lord out of anger. She even admitted to it in IC 1.

You don't read WW.

You have no idea who WW is.

You didn't read "Sacrifice" much less the following issues that explained why she killed Lord.

You obviously didn't even understand the thematical purpose of the killing...

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You are aware what the definition of murder is, right. To kill with malicious intent, premeditation and without justification. None are applicable. Try again.

Originally posted by Draco69
Who the f*ck are talking about?

Jesus, these newbies are mental..



You don't read WW.

You have no idea who WW is.

You didn't read "Sacrifice" much less the following issues that explained why she killed Lord.

You obviously didn't even understand the thematical purpose of the killing...



Wow, you're so full of shit. Please stop making excuses.

You are aware that killing him wasn't necissary?

and before you start ranting and raving about Lasso of Truth, how well did it work on Slade?

/debate. Wonder Woman's a murderer.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
http://www.vortrupp.de/humor/pics/bullshit.jpg

*sigh*

You're obviously an immature, incredibly insecure boy who feels inadequate before the female gender, thus you feel threatened by female empowerment....

God, you're transparent...

Why would she even want that STUPID hammer when she has a sword that can split atoms and her tiara not like blunt trauma means alot to superman but cut off his head now there's the thing to do !

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Wow, you're so full of shit. Please stop making excuses.

And you're reported.



Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You are aware that killing him wasn't necissary?


That's a debate in itself. Perhaps so and perhaps not. She did what she thought was best at the time...especially since Lord had a Superman puppet that could very well destroy every being on the planet....

By the way, speaking of Superman, Superman MURDERED three, helpless, powerless, and nearly catatonic Krypotonians in a trapped dimension....slowly....with Kryptonite poisoning.....it took them hours to die....and he watched them die....

Guess Supes ain't so noble after all....

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
and before you start ranting and raving about Lasso of Truth, how well did it work on Slade?

PIS. It works on Mr. Mxy and the Spectre for crying out loud. Slade isn't "immune" to magic....much less against Raven or Lilith....

....

What the **** does it matter if Diana can or cannot wield Mjolnir? For the purposes of this fight, she CAN! That's all that matters here!

Let's put the petty bickering aside, and debate the thread at hand!

It doesn't matter if I want to make a thread where Norman Osborne can use Mjolnir, for the purposes of THAT thread, he can!

Period.

Back on topic:

Diana, with the use of Mjolnir, kills Superman.

Originally posted by Draco69
And you're reported.

Why did you report him for that?

And are you a Male or a Female? I really am just curious, because by how you speak I'd think you were female, but your profile gender says Male.....

Just wondering...

Originally posted by Galan007
Why did you report him for that?

And are you a Male or a Female? I really am just curious, because by how you speak I'd think you were female, but your profile gender says Male.....

Just wondering...

I'm male...just because I like a female character....



I guess if I like Martian Manhunter, I must be an alien.

Anyhoo, Howard Jones clearly has a political/personal vendetta against WW not for her character but for all the "girl power" she represents. If you've read his previous posts, it's obvious.

Originally posted by Draco69
I'm male...just because I like a female character....



I guess if I like Martian Manhunter, I must be an alien. It was nothing against you, nor was it a slam in the slightest, you just don't see many males argue so diligently for a female character...... Thats cool though.

Originally posted by Galan007
It was nothing against you, nor was it a slam in the slightest, you just don't see many males argue so diligently for a female character...... Thats cool though.

Except for Stormfront13....but he's special like that....

Comic book fans are socially awkward and are even more awkward towards women. (except if they're gay....even then they're incredibly awkward). So they worship "manly" characters because they have the masculinity they themselves think they lack.

I think you could argue Wonder Woman did the right thing in Sacrifice, and I don't see how it makes her unworthy to lift Mjolnir. Its like Barry Allen killing Zoom, doesn't stop him being one of the greatest heroes ever, he just did what had to be done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/liftingmjolnir.jpg

Interesting. I've seen this with Hulk, too.
Considering how strong they are--especially moon-towing Superman--and given the nature of leverage and fulcrums: since the hammer isn't goin' anywhere, how come Supes' feet don't straighten down into the ground?

oh yeah...WW+M > S

And how come Supes didn't transform when he lifted it?
Imagine that: it would be pre-crisis level all over again.
(Note to self: idea for versus thread - Superman with Mjnr versus Superman with power cosmic)

Originally posted by Draco69
Except for Stormfront13....but he's special like that....

Comic book fans are socially awkward and are even more awkward towards women. (except if they're gay....even then they're incredibly awkward). So they worship "manly" characters because they have the masculinity they themselves think they lack.

this is definitely a woman

Originally posted by TheBadguy
this is definitely a woman

Bastard....

Originally posted by TheBadguy
this is definitely a woman

I heard he paints his nails.

Originally posted by Mindship
oh yeah...WW+M > S

And how come Supes didn't transform when he lifted it?Perhaps for one to be bestowed the power of Thor they'd have to be worthy even if they were given a one-off to just lift it.

I was thinking this...
If one is worthy, one can lift the hammer and transform, as long as it isn't already being used for that purpose.

When Superman was fighting Thor, Thor was already, well, Thor. The hammer was already "on."

When WW picked it up (the only one I know about is in the DC/Marvel crossover), I'm figuring maybe Thor had already returned to Blake-form back at his battle site with Marvel. For a few seconds, the hammer was "off" until Diana picked it up.

Which is why I started wondering, "What if Superman lifted the hammer and it went "on"? ...yowzer...

Hmm, interesting. I just thought I'd read the inscription literally "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." and that maybe while Superman was given a one-off opportunity to lift it, he still wasn't worthy to wield Mjolnir's power.

Diana ftw!

WW wins.

On topic, I say Diana wins.

Off topic, concerning whether she'd be worthy, I say no. Let me ask you this: how many people has Batman killed as compared to her? How does he react to things as compared to her? And now recall his history, the kind of villains he faces, the kind of life he's had and the evil he's seen as compared to growing up on an island of women.

Yeah...she has all the reason in the world to go apesh1t doesn't she?

WW wins

Originally posted by Madvillain
Superman

vs.

Wonder Woman with Mjolnir AND Captain America's shield .


Assume she can pick up Mjolnir and use it's full potential for this battle.


Who wins?

This fight goes to wonder woman for sure, this is almost identical to thor vs supes,


Diana and thor are very much the same in alot of ways. Except diana is a hell of alot faster and shes just as agressive as thor, and i think she will fight smarter too. Thor tends to brawl at the wrong time lol when he should be using his hammer in some cases.