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Iceman solos the Hulk.

Probably the Hulk

Originally posted by The Pict
Probably the Hulk

Not when Iceman solo's him.

X-Men due to Iceman. Or Jubilee. dodgy

Iceman solos him.

absolute zero + optic blast/jubilee/gambit = shattered hulk

wat i dont think iceman can solo him i know ice-man got upgraded but i dont know if he can just turn to mist and go inside of hulk and kill him hulk prob got lil hulk white blood cells to take him out lol

iceman taking the water out of hulks body + optic blast = dead.

so many possibilities

Originally posted by zbucsz
wat i dont think iceman can solo him i know ice-man got upgraded but i dont know if he can just turn to mist and go inside of hulk and kill him hulk prob got lil hulk white blood cells to take him out lol

Anybody catch that? All I got was Hulk.

Originally posted by zbucsz
wat i dont think iceman can solo him i know ice-man got upgraded but i dont know if he can just turn to mist and go inside of hulk and kill him hulk prob got lil hulk white blood cells to take him out lol

....

He doesn't need to turn to mist. He could freeze the Hulk to absolute zero, he could moisture invert his head off, he could BFR the Hulk, he could suck all the moisture from the Hulk's body, he could do as he pleases.

Hulks get demolished, take out ice man and its a different story

Also, im just gettin back into comic books after id say about a 7 year hiedous, so i was wondering if anyone could give advice on what some of the better comic series have been in the past couple years so i could perhaps purchase them and get caught up on some of the more well written events, thanks a lot

Kurash

Originally posted by Kurash
Hulks get demolished, take out ice man and its a different story

Also, im just gettin back into comic books after id say about a 7 year hiedous, so i was wondering if anyone could give advice on what some of the better comic series have been in the past couple years so i could perhaps purchase them and get caught up on some of the more well written events, thanks a lot

Kurash

Go for Identity Crisis for DC, and the Ultimate Universe for Marvel. Also, Civil War is pretty good.

dont they only need Wolverine lol jk

Originally posted by Kurash
Hulks get demolished, take out ice man and its a different story

Also, im just gettin back into comic books after id say about a 7 year hiedous, so i was wondering if anyone could give advice on what some of the better comic series have been in the past couple years so i could perhaps purchase them and get caught up on some of the more well written events, thanks a lot

Kurash Avengers: Diassembled, House of M, New Avengers, and Civil War would get you up to speed in Marvel...Annihilation is pretty cool if you are into the Cosmic heros and villians...as far as new series go, I would recommend Moon Knight, New Avengers, Cable and Deadpool, Astonishing X-Men, Wolverine: Origins just as some suggestions...dont know alot about DC, all I read there is Batman and Green Lantern series

Iceman and Cyke win, the others would work more as a distraction, unless Gambit stop using the damn cards and throws something which can do real damage. Anyway, X-men win.

This is basically Hulk vs Iceman. The rest are non-factors.

Unfortunately for Hulk, there's absolutely nothing he can do to Iceman.

Originally posted by Kurash
Hulks get demolished, take out ice man and its a different story

Also, im just gettin back into comic books after id say about a 7 year hiedous, so i was wondering if anyone could give advice on what some of the better comic series have been in the past couple years so i could perhaps purchase them and get caught up on some of the more well written events, thanks a lot

Kurash

Marvel (which i read most): Grant Morrison's New X-men, Astonishing X-men, Mike Carey's X-men, Runaways, Young Avengers, Ultimate Universe, Annhilation, Daredevil, Civil War.

Hulk could take out Iceman before he does anything though, Right? RIGHT?

I don't really like Iceman

Originally posted by The Pict
Hulk could take out Iceman before he does anything though, Right? RIGHT?

I don't really like Iceman

How would the Hulk take out iceman?

Hit him?

Iceman wins this alone.

Originally posted by Soljer
How would the Hulk take out iceman?

Hit him?

I dunno I guess, or throw him miles away.

Originally posted by Soljer
Iceman solos the Hulk.

Sure and The HUlk solos the Marvel Universe



(thanks for the laugh)

p.s. the hulk beat two avengers teams, he would kill this team in few seconds

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Sure and The HUlk solos the Marvel Universe



(thanks for the laugh)

p.s. the hulk beat two avengers teams, he would kill this team in few seconds

Originally posted by Accel
This is basically Hulk vs Iceman. The rest are non-factors.

Unfortunately for Hulk, there's absolutely nothing he can do to Iceman.

oh my God, i wonder if in this board some of you read hulk's comics

(in the past the hulk destroyed Bobby Drake and all x-men; the hulk beat Exodus in 2 panels....)

And aint hulk better fightin teams then just one on one

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
oh my God, i wonder if in this board some of you read hulk's comics

(in the past the hulk destroyed Bobby Drake and all x-men; the hulk beat Exodus in 2 panels....)

You have to also remember that in the past Iceman kept Hulk(Grey) sustained for hours. Hulk couldnt even get mad enough to get stronger and break out of the ice.

Here, Hulk is put in a fluid maintained at -250 F. They believe that the cold would paralyze the Hulk if he somehow awakens... But once the gas is cut off, the Hulk gets up right away. IH #186
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/8242/durabilitycold1a3ni.jpg
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/3158/durabilitycold1b6ai.jpg

Hulk vs IceMan (by by Bobby)

Fact > Fanboys Opinions

Hulk vs. The Champions. GIANT-SIZE HULK #1 (2006)
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Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Here, Hulk is put in a fluid maintained at -250 F. They believe that the cold would paralyze the Hulk if he somehow awakens... But once the gas is cut off, the Hulk gets up right away. IH #186
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/8242/durabilitycold1a3ni.jpg
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/3158/durabilitycold1b6ai.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1013/theincrediblehulkv23362vr7.th.jpghttp://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7751/theincrediblehulkv23362id9.th.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3346/championsgsh1bno0.jpg




http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6240/championsgsh1cnt5.jpg

Grey hulk is one of the weakest versions, not to mention the madder he gets the stronger he gets doesnt apply to Grey. Alot of this would vary on which Hulk your referring to..

Originally posted by jrodslam
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1) Ice Man can only slow the hulk; Marvel said (more than a time) there's nothing that can kill the hulk (read what Ben and Jhonny say just before Planet Hulk)

2) he was the grey hulk, i hope you won't compare current hulk (full power ) and the grey hulk, right ?

3) the hulk saved Bobby and Angel from Mastermold; he destroyed Mastermold easy (the two mutants would have died)

4) in the recent fight versus the Champions he proved that IceMan is nothing to him

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Grey hulk is one of the weakest versions, not to mention the madder he gets the stronger he gets doesnt apply to Grey. Alot of this would vary on which Hulk your referring to..

Grey Hulk's base is the weakest of all versions but he DOES get stronger as he get angrier.

Ghost Rider talking to Bobby "how long do you expect that will hold him" ?

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
1) Ice Man can only slow the hulk; Marvel sayd there's nothing can kill the hulk (read what Ben and Jhonny say just before Planet Hulk)

Iceman could slow and stop the Hulk ifhe chose to. He doesnt have to kill the Hulk. A knockout would count as a win.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
2) he was the grey hulk, i hope you won't compare current hulk (full power ) and the grey hulk, right ?

He weas the gry Hulk and still was able to get stronger as he got madder. And that wasnt Current Iceman you posted.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
3) the hulk saved Bobby and Angel from Mastermold; he destroyed Mastermold easy (the two mutants would have died)

That has nothing to do with the fight that took place between them. Hulk got stopped/beat by Iceman.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
4) in the recent fight versus the Champions he proved that IceMan is nothing to him

How recent was that fight? It looks like a re-print to me. Plus in that scan Iceman mentioned that Goshtriders heat may weaken his ice-block. If that fight IS a re-print, it proves nothing.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Ghost Rider talking to Bobby "how long do you expect that will hold him" ?

Just so I get this straight...

What exactly is Hulk gonna do to Bobby?

And whats to stop him from sucking all the moisture out of Hulk's body?

Hey DevilGoblin, I agree with you and I liked your evidence to support your point.

I believe comic book writers would agree with you that Hulk would absolutely destroy the Xmen.

However, KMC is kinda weird in that certain characters are MUCH more powerful here than they ever are in comics.

On KMC, Iceman and Flash are basically gods and almost no one under skyfather can defeat them. The reason is KMC people take the highest feat and just assume the characters fight like that when in reality how often do you see Iceman freeze someone's bloodflow in a battle?

So...the Hulk can stay conscious without ANY moisture in his body? He can stay conscious after his head is removed from his body? How about when he gets BFR like a *****?

Iceman solo's the Hulk with ease.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Just so I get this straight...

What exactly is Hulk gonna do to Bobby?

And whats to stop him from sucking all the moisture out of Hulk's body?





could you show me fights where Bobby sucks all moisture out of opponent's bodies?

Originally posted by Soljer
So...the Hulk can stay conscious without ANY moisture in his body? He can stay conscious after his head is removed from his body? How about when he gets BFR like a *****?

Iceman solo's the Hulk with ease.
The no mositure thing is iffy since it's never particularly happened, but I believe he can stay conscious after dehydration. He's suffered worse and kept going.

How's Iceman going to decapitate or BFR him any way?

Moisture Inversion.

To both questions.

I think it's obvious that the KMC Iceman is much more powerful than the comic Iceman

Okay, I've honestly never heard of that tactic before. Care to explain it?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Hey DevilGoblin, I agree with you and I liked your evidence to support your point.

I believe comic book writers would agree with you that Hulk would absolutely destroy the Xmen.

However, KMC is kinda weird in that certain characters are MUCH more powerful here than they ever are in comics.

On KMC, Iceman and Flash are basically gods and almost no one under skyfather can defeat them. The reason is KMC people take the highest feat and just assume the characters fight like that when in reality how often do you see Iceman freeze someone's bloodflow in a battle?

Hey, Devilgoblin, I know we disagree about this particular fight, but please, don't make snap judgements and follow this guy. ^^^

We had another poster do that, only with stuff relating more to the real world.

He's now most likely behind bars, after taking a ski mask and a crowbar in his attempt to emulate his favourite hero and leap out of the shadows at elderly couples, as he was under the belief that they were supervillains

anyone have any scans of Iceman sucking moisture out of enemy during a fight?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Hey, Devilgoblin, I know we disagree about this particular fight, but please, don't make snap judgements and follow this guy. ^^^

We had another poster do that, only with stuff relating more to the real world.

He's now most likely behind bars, after taking a ski mask and a crowbar in his attempt to emulate his favourite hero and leap out of the shadows at elderly couples, as he was under the belief that they were supervillains



It's funny cause Masterbruce is a douche.

Originally posted by masterbruce
could you show me fights where Bobby sucks all moisture out of opponent's bodies?

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9642/ice4td2cd7.th.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6980/iceman20rszi4.th.jpg
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Freezing bloodflow to the brain.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9914/icemanbloodfreeze4zt8lapb9.th.jpg

Freezing every molecule. If done to Hulk or almost anyone else, they shatter with a touch.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6908/xmenn41p143oawe7.th.jpg

nice scans. So Iceman would be even more powerful than Thor and prob just below Surfer then?

Nice strawman. No, Iceman's just a tad below you, he can only transmute organic matter into water - so he's slightly more limited.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nice strawman. No, Iceman's just a tad below you, he can only transmute organic matter into water - so he's slightly more limited.

seriously stop being a ****ing ass, okay?

I didn't mean my comment sarcastically. If he could freeze a person's molecules, than Thor can't do squat against him. But Silver Surfer could prob manipulate matter to a greater degree than Iceman.

If I stopped being an ass, I wouldn't be me. Context doesn't work well on a forum.

Iceman is powerful. The Hulk is a blip to him if he uses the extent of his shown abilities. But he's no Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If I stopped being an ass, I wouldn't be me. Context doesn't work well on a forum.

Iceman is powerful. The Hulk is a blip to him if he uses the extent of his shown abilities. But he's no Silver Surfer.

I'm just pissed cuz it seems like EVERYONE is ripping on me ALL ThE freaking time.

I know iceman isn't surfer which is why I said surfer would still be more powerful. But it seems that iceman would be able to defeat thor easily if he used his powers to full potential.

Originally posted by masterbruce
seriously stop being a ****ing ass, okay?

I didn't mean my comment sarcastically. If he could freeze a person's molecules, than Thor can't do squat against him. But Silver Surfer could prob manipulate matter to a greater degree than Iceman. Couldn't Thor just vaporise him?
You know, like how lightning would do to water?
Especially lightning hotter than the core of the damn sun!

Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm just pissed cuz it seems like EVERYONE is ripping on me ALL ThE freaking time.

I know iceman isn't surfer which is why I said surfer would still be more powerful. But it seems that iceman would be able to defeat thor easily if he used his powers to full potential.

Iceman with full potential would probably easily defeat Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Iceman with full potential would probably easily defeat Silver Surfer. Like how Apocalypse would do so?

Iceman would get raped against him.

Oh, ya, Iceman, Phoenix, and Juggernaut defeated Stranger.
I'm sure Surfer hasn't did this numerous times, alone...

Well technically for Thor to destroy Iceman, he would have to destroy ever vapor or water. Icemans elemental ice now, his full potential is WAY up there. I dont think hed be able to compete with a all out Surfer tho...

Iff Iceman is in his vapor form, does wind effect him??
Can he be blown away???

Iff not than it's pretty impossible for hulk to beat iceman.

What about Cyclops? Couldn't an all out visorless optic blast (Similiar to the one in Civil war tie in) possibly KO him or at least BFR him faaaar away? I mean if Hulk hasn't had enough time to build up his rage.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Iff Iceman is in his vapor form, does wind effect him??
Can he be blown away???

Iff not than it's pretty impossible for hulk to beat iceman.

Iceman can simultaneously exist in every water molecule on the planet. .

Including the ones inside the Hulk's body. Good luck BFR'ing that.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Sure and The HUlk solos the Marvel Universe



(thanks for the laugh)

p.s. the hulk beat two avengers teams, he would kill this team in few seconds

Bad Devilhulk! Bad! No treat for you! Go back to your cage!

Originally posted by masterbruce
Hey DevilGoblin, I agree with you and I liked your evidence to support your point.

I believe comic book writers would agree with you that Hulk would absolutely destroy the Xmen.

However, KMC is kinda weird in that certain characters are MUCH more powerful here than they ever are in comics.

On KMC, Iceman and Flash are basically gods and almost no one under skyfather can defeat them. The reason is KMC people take the highest feat and just assume the characters fight like that when in reality how often do you see Iceman freeze someone's bloodflow in a battle?

yes, i agree with you

....fact is that this board is full of posters who know the stuff, but a few of them live on another wet fanboys dreams world and give KMC a really bad reputation (i don't want to start a battle boards, but trust me i heard about some living legends here and stuff like Iceman solos the hulk or thor would make 99% of comics readers laugh to death)

if people take highest feat for Iceman (as you say), the same people should take highest feat for the hulk too...

...the old school hulk destroyed a dimension with a thunderclap.....so who wins now ?

if the hulk broke/destroyed the battle field (for example a planet) what would do Bobby if not waiting for death ?

Bobby is a real powerful guy but he can't be compared with hulk, thor or other top tier....

Heh, Hulk destoryes the planet and dies. The difference is that Iceman can still live within Hulk's body and simply wait for the Hulk to die, should Hulk be stupid enough to smash the planet.

Hulk is a tough guy. One of the strongest, most durable and ferocious characters in Marvel, but he loses to Iceman. He is utterly unable to defeat an entity who can kill him before he can act.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
yes, i agree with you

....fact is that this board is full of posters who know the stuff, but a few of them live on another wet fanboys dreams world and give KMC a really bad reputation (i don't want to start a battle boards, but trust me i heard about some living legends here and stuff like Iceman solos the hulk or thor would make 99% of comics readers laugh to death)

if people take highest feat for Iceman (as you say), the same people should take highest feat for the hulk too...

...the old school hulk destroyed a dimension with a thunderclap.....so who wins now ?

if the hulk broke/destroyed the battle field (for example a planet) what would do Bobby if not waiting for death ?

Bobby is a real powerful guy but he can't be compared with hulk, thor or other top tier....

You're disregarding powerset, Devilhulk. Fact of the matter is that Iceman can literally take the moisture out of his body, which he needs to survive.

Serioulsy Hulkest, you need to learn a bit.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You're disregarding powerset, Devilhulk. Fact of the matter is that Iceman can literally take the moisture out of his body, which he needs to survive.

Serioulsy Hulkest, you need to learn a bit. However Hulk has near instant regeneration, also how does he take out the water out of his body?

Originally posted by ThePittman
However Hulk has near instant regeneration, also how does he take out the water out of his body?

He did it once to reform his own body. He can literally control moisture inside of a body, and freeze it at will. You freeze someone from the inside out, and it's dead.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
He did it once to reform his own body. He can literally control moisture inside of a body, and freeze it at will. You freeze someone from the inside out, and it's dead. For someone normal yes but that will not kill the Hulk, stop him for a second yes but he will heal from it.

Originally posted by ThePittman
For someone normal yes but that will not kill the Hulk, stop him for a second yes but he will heal from it.

His blood has to be running for the healing factor to work. He's not as poorly written as Wolverine.

Iceman takes this on his own.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Iceman.gif

i knocked out a icecube once didnt have my money on time

Hulk did beat the Avengers. I guess this depends on Iceman. His power level seems to vary depending on who you talk with. I personally don't know much about his current power set.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
the "mind" is separate from the body and brain. bobby doesnt need a body to exist anymore, but he does have a "mind" for telepaths to attack.

Bobby's been knocked out plenty of times, most of these before he learned to transform into the organic ice form. for most of his career, he was just a guy in an ice "suit." big difference.

How is hulk going to survive being totally frozen solid, then pounded to dust by (xxxx)ton blocks of ice?



that scan had hulk totally paralyzed at -250. Hulk only got free when the tank broke. Bobby can hit temperatures nearly twice as cold at -457

hulk is screwed.

And he can hit them nearly INSTANTLY.

Beyond that, he can freeze every molecule in a CELESTIAL ship - and the Stranger - and friggin HEAT BEAMS along with it.

The Hulk isn't resisting cold like that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Like how Apocalypse would do so?

Iceman would get raped against him.

Oh, ya, Iceman, Phoenix, and Juggernaut defeated Stranger.
I'm sure Surfer hasn't did this numerous times, alone...

Am, Iceman is omega mutant, with full potential, Iceman should crush Silver Surfer easily, he isn't called omega mutant for nothing.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Am, Iceman is omega mutant, with full potential, Iceman should crush Silver Surfer easily, he isn't called omega mutant for nothing.

Even Iceman at full potential isn't much to the Surfer.

.

I mean, the Surfer could, literally, change every water molecule on a planet to iron in a single nanosecond.

How will Iceman's consciousness respond? .

Originally posted by Soljer
Even Iceman at full potential isn't much to the Surfer.

.

I mean, the Surfer could, literally, change every water molecule on a planet to iron in a single nanosecond.

How will Iceman's consciousness respond? .

QFT. Surfer isn't human and may not even have moisture to manipulate. he's on a totally different level.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Am, Iceman is omega mutant, with full potential, Iceman should crush Silver Surfer easily, he isn't called omega mutant for nothing.

O RLY?

Let's see what an Omega did to Gladiator?

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
O RLY?

Let's see what an Omega did to Gladiator?

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

WOW. that's the most totally irrelevant scan ever. That's neither hulk, nor iceman, so I don't know what you're trying to prove there.

All omegas aren't equal, and gladiator has gotten owned by CANNONBALL.

thank you, come again.



He's iceman. his first attack is going to be...wait for it...FREEZING THE TARGET. Hulk has already been shown to be totally paralyzed at half of what bobby's capable of.

Bloodlust is irrelevant, as iceman can easily stop him at -250 or so without killing him- hulk's regeneration didn't help a bit against being frozen.

Hulk coming back from being smashed into a billion pieces is beyond pure speculation, it's BS on your part.

Face it, extreme cold stops the hulk.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
WOW. that's the most totally irrelevant scan ever. That's neither hulk, nor iceman, so I don't know what you're trying to prove there.

All omegas aren't equal, and gladiator has gotten owned by CANNONBALL.

thank you, come again.



He's iceman. his first attack is going to be...wait for it...FREEZING THE TARGET. Hulk has already been shown to be totally paralyzed at half of what bobby's capable of.

Bloodlust is irrelevant, as iceman can easily stop him at -250 or so without killing him- hulk's regeneration didn't help a bit against being frozen.

Hulk coming back from being smashed into a billion pieces is beyond pure speculation, it's BS on your part.

Face it, extreme cold stops the hulk. And he is only 15 years old

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
O RLY?

Let's see what an Omega did to Gladiator?

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg

Vulcan is not close experienced with his powers, and nowhere near to his potential. When he will reach it, Gladiator will be no match for him.

We have to see more feats about Iceman. In the end, probably all omega mutants to reach full potenial will go easily beyond level of Silver Surfer (like Phoenix, Richards, Hyperstorm (maybe not omega, probably should be, but definetely much above SS), Rachel, Wanda, probably Vulcan soon, probably Iceman soon).

Originally posted by Xplosive
Vulcan is not close experienced with his powers, and nowhere near to his potential. When he will reach it, Gladiator will be no match for him.

We have to see more feats about Iceman. In the end, probably all omega mutants to reach full potenial will go easily beyond level of Silver Surfer (like Phoenix, Richards, Hyperstorm (maybe not omega, probably should be, but definetely much above SS), Rachel, Wanda, probably Vulcan soon, probably Iceman soon).


































No

Originally posted by Howard_Jones


No


Literally what is so funny. All I mentioned are acutlly far and far beyond Silver Surfer.
I forgot also Kid Omega whose potential goes far beyond Silver Surfer powers.

Originally posted by ThePittman
And he is only 15 years old

this statement confuses me....

Originally posted by Space M ummy
this statement confuses me.... Vulcan is only 15 years old, he was generated in a lab for slave labor.

Originally posted by Soljer
And how do you figure that Bobby can't kill the hulk? He can change every molecule in the Hulk's body to water via Moisture inversion, and then BFR him at the least.
I've honestly never heard of Boby doing this. Is this a reference to him turning ice into water?
Originally posted by Space M ummy
He's iceman. his first attack is going to be...wait for it...FREEZING THE TARGET. Hulk has already been shown to be totally paralyzed at half of what bobby's capable of.

Bloodlust is irrelevant, as iceman can easily stop him at -250 or so without killing him- hulk's regeneration didn't help a bit against being frozen.

Hulk coming back from being smashed into a billion pieces is beyond pure speculation, it's BS on your part.

Face it, extreme cold stops the hulk.
Considering Hulk's body has resisted being turned into stone and glass during two different occasions, it's not too much of a stretch to say he could resist being completely frozen.

I'll reply to both of these at once. there's already a scan of the hulk being paralyzed by cold and kept in a tank at -250, earlier in the thread.
Hulk being vulnerable to that level of cold isn't really debatable, and bobby's limit isn't -250, it's -457: Absolute Zero.

Xmen #2 had bobby generating absolute zero temperatures to gain entry to avalon- per the writer at that temperature even titanium becomes as brittle as glass- smashing the frozen hull gained them entry into avalon where they took on magneto.

So yeah- Freezing + Smashing hulk would be a highly effective strategy.

If Iceman flash-freezes Hulk from the inside out then completely shatters him to hundreds of pieces, how long will it take for Hulk to come back together? IF thats IF hes able to come back together.

Also, Iceman need not freeze the Hulk IN a block of ice; he isn't encasing him.

He can literally freeze every molecule of the Hulk's body.

FAR different.

Also, Accel, Moisture Inversion is where Bobby turns OTHER people's organic body into water, the way he can do with his own. It's how he has had other people travel with him through water molecules.

The BFR scenario would involve him Moisture Inverting the Hulk into Water, and travelling, with the Hulk, to space, leaving the Hulk there(as water molecules) and returning to Earth.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Now THERE's some BS. go stick a piece of meat in some liquid nitro. Take it out when it's frozen and take a hammer to it. Flesh shatters when frozen just like everything else. Don't believe me? Try it yourself. We used to do stuff like this in physics class all the time. Rubber? Shatters. Flesh? Shatters. plastic? Shatters.

Metal is actually LESS vulnerable to this than something soft like skin or flesh.

edit: I found something that might interest you:


liquid nitrogen is only -320 F, by the way. Far above Absolute Zero.

"the way the atoms are aligned!" is complete BS.

Omega level bobby froze an entire celestial ship INCLUDING the stranger. Just keeping hulk cold isn't much of a feat.

and don't forget, the rest of the Xmen are just hanging out, waiting for a nice, still, frozen target to take shots at.

Want to take a guess as to how strong a full power optic blast is?

Powerful enough to **** up Onslaught....

However if you have an object the size of the Hulk at absolute zero would also freeze everything around it.

Originally posted by Soljer
He wouldn't knock out or Kill anyone but those he needed to. He can freeze each individual Molecule, damnit!

Bobby did no damage to his teammates when he froze every molecule of a celestial Ship, did he? Or when he froze the Stranger's heat beams.

There is no question; bobby can freeze the Hulk.

Soljer, do you think fullpotential Iceman can take out Thor or Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Soljer
He wouldn't knock out or Kill anyone but those he needed to. He can freeze each individual Molecule, damnit!

Bobby did no damage to his teammates when he froze every molecule of a celestial Ship, did he? Or when he froze the Stranger's heat beams.

There is no question; bobby can freeze the Hulk. That is where comics and psychics differ and if I remember right on the ship they were protected inside of a bubble by Jean. In reality anything next to an object at absolute zero would be losing heat at an incredible rate and if they were alive and somewhat human would die almost instantly.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Soljer, do you think fullpotential Iceman can take out Thor or Silver Surfer?

Hell no. The Hulk is a different story.

Thor and the Silver Surfer can transmute elements. All that Aych two ohh that Iceman inhabits? Becomes Eff ee.

What the hell could he do then?

Hulk, however, has no such alternative. All he has is his fists. Which can do shit-all against Iceman.

The Surfer and Thor wouldn't be able to beat Iceman with pure physical force, either. They just have more versatility, which allows them to win every time.

Originally posted by ThePittman
However if you have an object the size of the Hulk at absolute zero would also freeze everything around it.

Nice try, but bobby controls temperature, remember? He's never had any issue preventing the surroundings from freezing when he uses his powers. otherwise everything would freeze when he iced up anything.

As the Pittman says, bobby controls temperature down to a molecular level- each individual molecule.

Hulk still loses.




i know this wasn't directed at me- but Soljer is dead on. Both thor and Surfer are advanced energy manipulators. Surfer isn't really made of flesh anyway, and it's debatable as to whether thor is either (being a god and not mortal) so freezing attacks won't necessarily be as effective- there may not BE any moisture to extract or freeze.

Surfer is also WAY, WAY faster than Iceman is- he's been shown to take action at several times the speed of light, so he's got the initiative advantage.

Hulk takes it. I have seen him go up against the avengers and held his own. With the likes of thor and herules present.

Originally posted by heru
Hulk takes it. I have seen him go up against the avengers and held his own. With the likes of thor and herules present.

How many avengers can stop all motion at a molecular level? None? Ok, thanks. Just checking.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If Iceman flash-freezes Hulk from the inside out then completely shatters him to hundreds of pieces, how long will it take for Hulk to come back together? IF thats IF hes able to come back together.

Can someone answer that for me?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can someone answer that for me? Hulk dies. I don't know why this is still going on. There's absolutely nothing Hulk can do to harm Iceman.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hulk dies. I don't know why this is still going on. There's absolutely nothing Hulk can do to harm Iceman. Well the question is not that the Hulk will loose but how he will loose and if he can be killed that way.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Well the question is not that the Hulk will loose but how he will loose and if he can be killed that way.

Well its been said how he could lose. For those who disagree with that, the question then becomes why not.

well we might see when hulk gets back to earth and it aint gonna be good when he comes back...........

Ice man overrated

Originally posted by heru
Ice man overrated

Gentlemen, how can I argue with logic like this? I'm clearly in over my head here.

Originally posted by heru
Ice man overrated

Obviously, he is very much UNDER rated, if the members of the versus forum believe that the Hulk would pose so much of a threat as a speed bump to him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Literally what is so funny. All I mentioned are acutlly far and far beyond Silver Surfer.
I forgot also Kid Omega whose potential goes far beyond Silver Surfer powers.
Ahh, no...
Originally posted by masterbruce
Soljer, do you think fullpotential Iceman can take out Thor or Silver Surfer?
Im not Soljer..lol and i think No... So far full potential Iceman has never been shown.. All we can do is speculate and when it comes to both Thor/SS speculation in the application of there powers they might as well be abstract...lol
Back to topic.. Hulk losses horribly..

Originally posted by Soljer
Obviously, he is very much UNDER rated, if the members of the versus forum believe that the Hulk would pose so much of a threat as a speed bump to him. I really don't see any one arguing that he couldn't beat the Hulk.

Originally posted by ThePittman
I really don't see any one arguing that he couldn't beat the Hulk.

Devil Hulk? .

Thor would beat Iceman in my opinion here.
Is there any scans of Iceman existing all over the world?

Also, could Thor evaperate him, into a point of winning?
I'm thinking yes. Thor's lightning afterall is hotter than the core of the sun...

Originally posted by bigbran
Thor would beat Iceman in my opinion here.
Is there any scans of Iceman existing all over the world?

Also, could Thor evaperate him, into a point of winning?
I'm thinking yes. Thor's lightning afterall is hotter than the core of the sun...

Evaporate him?

Iceman can exist as vapor, friend.

Originally posted by Soljer
Evaporate him?

Iceman can exist as vapor, friend. How does vapor compete against the core of the sun?

Also, I said to a point of winning.

Originally posted by Soljer
Devil Hulk? .

has devil hulk ever actually appeared outside of banner's mind? It has even less feats than Superman Prime does.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
has devil hulk ever actually appeared outside of banner's mind? It has even less feats than Superman Prime does.

I meant the poster, not the incarnation.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
has devil hulk ever actually appeared outside of banner's mind? It has even less feats than Superman Prime does. ?

Originally posted by bigbran
How does vapor compete against the core of the sun?

Also, I said to a point of winning.

Doesn't really matter, as long as the molecules remain, Iceman does as well.

Besides, Thor would have to evaporate every drop of water on earth in a similar fashion to even consider this strategem viable.

Originally posted by Soljer
Doesn't really matter, as long as the molecules remain, Iceman does as well.

Besides, Thor would have to evaporate every drop of water on earth in a similar fashion to even consider this strategem viable. So, if you dumped a big bucket of water, into the sun's core...

When was this shown that he can exists everywhere?

Iceman can mield his consciousness to any existing moisture/water, therefore is near unbeatable in an invironment...

Originally posted by Soljer
I meant the poster, not the incarnation.

Oh! my bad.

That attack would certainly destroys Bobbys Iceman body but hed just reassemble dough, hed have to attack his consciousness to permanently take him out..

Originally posted by Roldz
That attack would certainly destroys Bobbys Iceman body but hed just reassemble dough, hed have to attack his consciousness to permanently take him out.. Wait, where did Bobby get all these feats from?

X-men forever.. Iceman Mini and various X-titles and minis..

Originally posted by Roldz
X-men forever.. Iceman Mini and various X-titles and minis.. Does he have the on-panel evidence of him existing across the planet?

Originally posted by bigbran
Does he have the on-panel evidence of him existing across the planet?
No he doesnt exist around the planet but can manipulate the invironments moisture/water in a planet to reassemble himself and yes its shown on panel.. There's been quite a few explanation how his powers work dough, i for one think its the deduction of kinetic energy turnin substance into Ice..

Originally posted by Roldz
No he doesnt exist around the planet but can manipulate the invironments moisture/water in a planet to reassemble himself and yes its shown on panel.. There's been quite a few explanation how his powers work dough, i for one think its the deduction of kinetic energy turnin substance into Ice..

There WAS an on panel example of him existing in EVERYTHING simultaneously.

Check the respect thread.

Originally posted by Roldz
Ahh, no...

And who isn't more powerful from those I mentioned.

Richards power - far beyond SS
Hyperstorm - far beyond
Wanda - far beyond
Rachel - far beyond
Jean - puf, far beyond

Literallly all far more powerful than SS.
Iceman, Vulcan and Kid Omega (who was described as possible being as a host to Phoenix Force, potentially far beyond SS) haven't lived to their potenial yet.

Hyperstorm and Wanda Maximoff are not Omega mutants.

Rachel Grey currently stands no chance against the Silver Surfer. Franklin Richards would literally piss himself.

Iceman would not beat the Silver Surfer.