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Purely h2h, no powers.

Lets just say spees is equal

Superman.

Stronger and more durable.

Speed equal? Just hand to hand?

Well...

I've seen Superman's martial arts training more than I've seen Hercules' but they both show up next to never.

I'd say Superman's durability and stamina is higher.

I'll give a good majority to Superman.

if speed is eqaul so if strength adn durability the herc has a good shot

To be honest, Superman being stronger is just a general consensus. Durability is close, slight edge to Superman. However, when it comes to fighting skill, Herc is the dominant.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
To be honest, Superman being stronger is just a general consensus. Durability is close, slight edge to Superman. However, when it comes to fighting skill, Herc is the dominant.

Superman being stronger is based on feats. Hercules claims to have held the earth once, from atlas....but wasn't that also described during drunken boasting?

Wasn't his best feat towing the island of manhattan?

Superman has held black holes and turned the wheels of mageddon. Kal-el is almost ASSUREDLY stronger.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
To be honest, Superman being stronger is just a general consensus. Durability is close, slight edge to Superman. However, when it comes to fighting skill, Herc is the dominant.

Herc's "I'm gonna rush in and give you a BEAR HUG!!!!" style is not superior to Superman's fighting style.

Superman wins this.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman being stronger is based on feats. Hercules claims to have held the earth once, from atlas....but wasn't that also described during drunken boasting?

Wasn't his best feat towing the island of manhattan?

Superman has held black holes and turned the wheels of mageddon. Kal-el is almost ASSUREDLY stronger.

The black hole feat is honestly crap writing. There is no feasible way for anyone to hold a black hole open. Also, I remember him having help with that one.

Also, I keep hearing "he turned the wheels, he turned the wheels" when that's all he did. He turned some wheels.

herc fighting skill is actuall shownf ar mroe then thro or superhuman. he is quite possiably the best restler in comics. He quite skilled and is quite underated. He also if im not mistaken has a superhuman healing factor and stamina is rediculous he may ahve more stamina then zany other character. actaully if im not mistaken he has unlimited stamina

I saw a comic book where Supes was fighting He-Man, and Supes got his ass handed to him for 3/4 of the book. C'mon people can Supes be defeated or what? I mean the guy is affected by MAGIC. I don't understand how Mjolnir or Herc's magical fists tapping on his chin, won't knock him out

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
The black hole feat is honestly crap writing. There is no feasible way for anyone to hold a black hole open. Also, I remember him having help with that one.

Also, I keep hearing "he turned the wheels, he turned the wheels" when that's all he did. He turned some wheels.

Yeah. He turned some wheels.

That were likened to solar systems. .

Also, what help did he have in holding a black hole? Out of curiosity.

Furthermore, the original poster restricted Superman's speed SEVERELY, but said nothing of reflexes. Even if the two are of equal speed, Superman's reflexes will let him dominate.

Originally posted by LordFear
I saw a comic book where Supes was fighting He-Man, and Supes got his ass handed to him for 3/4 of the book. C'mon people can Supes be defeated or what? I mean the guy is affected by MAGIC. I don't understand how Mjolnir or Herc's magical fists tapping on his chin, won't knock him out

If a tap from Captain Marvel's magical fist won't knock him out, a tap from Hercules' is gonna do shit-all.

Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah. He turned some wheels.

That were likened to galaxies. .

Also, what help did he have in holding a black hole? Out of curiosity.

Furthermore, the original poster restricted Superman's speed SEVERELY, but said nothing of reflexes. Even if the two are of equal speed, Superman's reflexes will let him dominate.

Reflex is a part of speed.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Reflex is a part of speed.

Nope, reflex is based on how quickly you can process sensory information. Speed is how fast you can move after processing this sensory information.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman being stronger is based on feats. Hercules claims to have held the earth once, from atlas....but wasn't that also described during drunken boasting?

Wasn't his best feat towing the island of manhattan?

Superman has held black holes and turned the wheels of mageddon. Kal-el is almost ASSUREDLY stronger.

Herc has some other great feats, but I'll let Olympian come and take care of those.

BRB once physically fought against the pull of a REAL black hole, and he and Herc are believed to be equals.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Herc has some other great feats, but I'll let Olympian come and take care of those.

BRB once physically fought against the pull of a REAL black hole, and he and Herc are believed to be equals.

Superman has travelled at the speed of light, even within black holes.

Your point? .

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
honestly crap writing.

Well aren't you just a broken record??!!

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman has travelled at the speed of light, even within black holes.

Your point? .

Well flying out of a black hole moving faster than light(which should be easy), and physically resisting the pull from one are two totally different things.

Originally posted by Soljer
If a tap from Captain Marvel's magical fist won't knock him out, a tap from Hercules' is gonna do shit-all.

You are out of your damn mind!!! Go read up on Herc's feats ok
Furthermore, am I the only one that realizes that when one writer stops writing for a character, the new writer doesn't follow the previous writer's story? I have read plenty of Supes comix where he could move planets and fight angels but in the same continuum series, by a different writer, he gets slapped around by Dr FATE. What gives?

Originally posted by LordFear
You are out of your damn mind!!! Go read up on Herc's feats ok
Furthermore, am I the only one that realizes that when one writer stops writing for a character, the new writer doesn't follow the previous writer's story? I have read plenty of Supes comix where he could move planets and fight angels but in the same continuum series, by a different writer, he gets slapped around by Dr FATE. What gives?

I will not have you speak to Soljer in such a manner!!!

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman has travelled at the speed of light, even within black holes.

Your point? .



You believe that an alien that is godlike on our planet, can contain A DAMN BLACKHOLE/ AN EVENT HORIZON THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AS SAYING THAT NOTHING CAN ESCAPE IT? This is the level of stupidity that had me stop reading Superman

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Well flying out of a black hole moving faster than light(which should be easy), and physically resisting the pull from one are two totally different things.



What are you talking about Souja? I see you're in the "downplay Superman" mode right now.

Bottom line: He was inside the black hole and travelling at light speed while resisting the unlimited gravity of it.

That's a helluva lot more impressive then resisting getting sucked into one.

Oh, and Superman's also resisted getting sucked into a DOUBLE black hole.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Originally posted by LordFear
You believe that an alien that is godlike on our planet, can contain A DAMN BLACKHOLE/ AN EVENT HORIZON THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AS SAYING THAT NOTHING CAN ESCAPE IT? This is the level of stupidity that had me stop reading Superman

and we care why? sure it was a stupid feat, but it didn't appear to be a full blown out black hole. Just a little small black hole, and besides it's not like most comic feats aren't dumb.

Originally posted by LordFear
I saw a comic book where Supes was fighting He-Man, and Supes got his ass handed to him for 3/4 of the book. C'mon people can Supes be defeated or what? I mean the guy is affected by MAGIC. I don't understand how Mjolnir or Herc's magical fists tapping on his chin, won't knock him out I think you may have read a different book. He-Man slammed Superman by grabbing his cape, He-Man then punched Superman then Superman nailed He-Man with the Thor-Buster ending the fight.

As for this fight? Superman is stronger and more durable, he should win as he fights mostly slugfest style anyways.

Originally posted by batdude123
What are you talking about Souja? I see you're in the "downplay Superman" mode right now.

Bottom line: He was inside the black hole and travelling at light speed while resisting the unlimited gravity of it.

That's a helluva lot more impressive then resisting getting sucked into one.

Oh, and Superman's also resisted getting sucked into a DOUBLE black hole.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

If I travel at multiple times the speed of light than wouldn't it be fairly easy to fly out? if your moving many times faster than light than it should be easy to escape something that light can't escape. Sort of like how escape velocity's work?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If I travel at multiple times the speed of light than wouldn't it be fairly easy to fly out? if your moving many times faster than light than it should be easy to escape something that light can't escape. Sort of like how escape velocity's work?


Well, actually, NO !

There is nothing to see here, keep going.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
and we care why? sure it was a stupid feat, but it didn't appear to be a full blown out black hole. Just a little small black hole, and besides it's not like most comic feats aren't dumb.


ARE YOU SERIOUS MAN????HAHHAHAH
" A LITTLE SMALL BLACK HOLE"? IS there such a thing?
c'mon man , denial is not only a river in Africa buddy

Originally posted by LordFear
ARE YOU SERIOUS MAN????HAHHAHAH
" A LITTLE SMALL BLACK HOLE"? IS there such a thing?
c'mon man , denial is not only a river in Africa buddy

Oooookkkkk.....?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If I travel at multiple times the speed of light than wouldn't it be fairly easy to fly out? if your moving many times faster than light than it should be easy to escape something that light can't escape. Sort of like how escape velocity's work?



http://students.wsc.ma.edu/kregan2979/Try%20again!.gif

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think you may have read a different book. He-Man slammed Superman by grabbing his cape, He-Man then punched Superman then Superman nailed He-Man with the Thor-Buster ending the fight.

As for this fight? Superman is stronger and more durable, he should win as he fights mostly slugfest style anyways.

"Tho-Buster"?
The comic I saw, wasn't only that. I saw Supes disoriented and landing in Eternia. Heman and the Masters intercepted him, Supes pummeled everybody and was locked in battle with Heman. I remember him knocking his sword away and Heman went off on him when Supes landed near that chic( I forgot Man-AT-ARMS' DAUGHTER). Heman went apeshit and whip Supes. THAT I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES!!!

Originally posted by batdude123


http://students.wsc.ma.edu/kregan2979/Try%20again!.gif

Hows it work then?

It's like if the speed of sound isn't enough to escape earths atmosphere than if I move at many multiples of the speed of sound it should become much easier?

Guys the bottom line is Hercules and never defeated anybody on Supermans level of strength and durability. While Superman deals with Herc. level guys everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Guys the bottom line is Hercules and never defeated anybody on Supermans level of strength and durability. While Superman deals with Herc. level guys everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

I guess

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Guys the bottom line is Hercules and never defeated anybody on Supermans level of strength and durability. While Superman deals with Herc. level guys everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.


Just because Hercules doesn't have his own comix to show it, don't mean that he can't hang w/Supes. An Olympian demi-god of Hercs talents? He has crazy battle tactics and battle ability

Originally posted by LordFear
"Tho-Buster"?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandThorbrawlin3-2.jpg



Originally posted by LordFear

Heman went apeshit and whip Supes. THAT I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES!!! What do you're own eyes see here?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsHe-Man.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsHe-Man2.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What do you're own eyes see here?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsHe-Man.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsHe-Man2.jpg

Well since you asked,

I see a blond haired guy with hair worse then Thor's

AND

Some silly dude wear tights in red and blue, does he pirouette also?

did I pass, next question

Thor Buster? You mean this:
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/000dyqzq

Guess his dials went to 9 on that one.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Thor Buster? You mean this:
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/000dyqzq

Guess his dials went to 9 on that one. No. That was a Hulk-Buster punch. His right is the Thor-Buster while his left is the Hulk-Buster.

well guess that shuts me up/ thought there was more too it/ dunno gotta check my wizard mags/ still think Herc can whip Supes though

Originally posted by snoopdogg
No. That was a Hulk-Buster punch. His right is the Thor-Buster while his left is the Hulk-Buster.
That one didn't work to well for him either.
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/000dwfzt
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/000dxs4f

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That one didn't work to well for him either.
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/000dwfzt
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/000dxs4f I thought DC would never allow Superman to get Jobbed? ..... There goes that excuse I guess.

BTW here is the full power of the Hulk-Buster unleashed.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanandHulk4MarvsDC.jpg

lol

So bitter Howard...

Maybe we should show Thor getting punked by Mongoose?

looks like Supes had his hands full/ Could it be that little old Venom was giving golden boy a run for his money?

Originally posted by LordFear
looks like Supes had his hands full/ Could it be that little old Venom was giving golden boy a run for his money?

1. Superman was depowered.

2. It was a noncanonical x-over.

I hope you're not being serious.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman being stronger is based on feats. Hercules claims to have held the earth once, from atlas....but wasn't that also described during drunken boasting?

Wasn't his best feat towing the island of manhattan?I'll save olympian the trouble "The labours are canon, blah blah, the feat is canon, blah blah."

Originally posted by batdude123
1. Superman was depowered.

2. It was a noncanonical x-over.

I hope you're not being serious.

Oh sorry I actually thought for a minute superman fans wouldn't have a comeback.

Originally posted by LordFear
Oh sorry I actually thought for a minute superman fans wouldn't have a comeback.

Ooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaayy...

Originally posted by batdude123
1. Superman was depowered.

To be honest I don't think that has even been proven.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaayy... Maybe he's been taking lessons from Grimm?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I thought DC would never allow Superman to get Jobbed? ..... There goes that excuse I guess.

BTW here is the full power of the Hulk-Buster unleashed.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanandHulk4MarvsDC.jpg

Oh, I remember. I wish that fight was longer. If written well it could have been a great fight, but they had a page limit.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Maybe he's been taking lessons from Grimm?

Indeed.

Originally posted by batdude123
lol

So bitter Howard...

Maybe we should show Thor getting punked by Mongoose?

All he did was rip his cape, and Thor kinda got him worse.

You know what they say about opposite reactions. Thor kinda learned that lesson by underestimating Superman.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
To be honest I don't think that has even been proven.

It wasn't. Just Kal fighting like an imbecile.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Maybe he's been taking lessons from Grimm?

Not really. Obscure low feats can be fun sometimes.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
It wasn't. Just Kal fighting like an imbecile.

Kal-El fighting like a mother f*ckin' vegetable should beat the crap out of Venom 10/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
Kal-El fighting like a mother f*ckin' vegetable should beat the crap out of Venom 10/10.

True enough, but it didn't seem that way. I guess he was hopped up on moron pills or something.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
True enough, but it didn't seem that way. I guess he was hopped up on moron pills or something.

It was noncanonical.

NON....canonical.

Originally posted by batdude123
It was noncanonical.

NON....canonical. Hush. You know Venom beats Superman.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hush. You know Venom beats Superman.


Yep... if I was a moron.

Thanks for the defense, Souja.

Now onto the thread at hand:

Strength
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg
Holding a black hole. Also durability.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpg
Easily tossing something the size of a small moon.

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eradscrazy7mr.jpg
Eradicator's feat, but still something I haven't seen Hercules or Thor do....

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandMongul1.jpg
Shit-stomping Mongul

http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=056_supesarmgod1b.jpg
Arm-Wrestling Ba'al

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5772411
Through a moon.

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover06wu.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover0ut.jpg
Moving planets

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg0ac.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg23jf.jpg
Maggeddon.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9238/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg
Lifts eternity


Skills
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg
Pressure point attacks.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5696057
Karate Kid-ish

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21if.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=35xr.jpg
Fought for millenia in Asgard-experience

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=177ec.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=195vu.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=230nt.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=243oi.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253wr.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=292kg.jpg
Doing the Captain America thing, skills, acrobatics, etc. Some of which while depowered.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=435rc.jpg
Nerve strike

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week032000supesmos096051gy.jpg
Comments on his newly learned martial arts

Durability
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg
Double Black hole. Also strength.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5190704
Absorbs galaxy destroying warhead.

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p108rr.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p122vj.jpg
Etrigan. A MAGICAL demon. He hits superman to the friggin MOON, and Superman shrugs it off.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1291/1205zz6dt.jpg
Another Blackhole

http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1212ms.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1975yj.png
Survive in core of planets



Just some food for thought.

Originally posted by Soljer
Just some food for thought. Yummy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yummy.

Cooked it special for you.

It's gonna take more than that to get me to put out.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's gonna take more than that to get me to put out.

In that case....have some champagne.

*audible rattling of rophynol echoes through the, otherwise, silent thread*

Uhhh.... .

Originally posted by Soljer
Thanks for the defense, Souja.

Now onto the thread at hand:

Strength
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg
Holding a black hole. Also durability.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpg
Easily tossing something the size of a small moon.

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eradscrazy7mr.jpg
Eradicator's feat, but still something I haven't seen Hercules or Thor do....

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandMongul1.jpg
Shit-stomping Mongul

http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=056_supesarmgod1b.jpg
Arm-Wrestling Ba'al

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5772411
Through a moon.

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover06wu.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover0ut.jpg
Moving planets

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg0ac.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg23jf.jpg
Maggeddon.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9238/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg
Lifts eternity


Skills
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg
Pressure point attacks.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5696057
Karate Kid-ish

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21if.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=35xr.jpg
Fought for millenia in Asgard-experience

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=177ec.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=195vu.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=230nt.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=243oi.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253wr.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=292kg.jpg
Doing the Captain America thing, skills, acrobatics, etc. Some of which while depowered.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=435rc.jpg
Nerve strike

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week032000supesmos096051gy.jpg
Comments on his newly learned martial arts

Durability
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg
Double Black hole. Also strength.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5190704
Absorbs galaxy destroying warhead.

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p108rr.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p122vj.jpg
Etrigan. A MAGICAL demon. He hits superman to the friggin MOON, and Superman shrugs it off.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1291/1205zz6dt.jpg
Another Blackhole

http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1212ms.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1975yj.png
Survive in core of planets



Just some food for thought.

Might as well add this as well:

Punching Wonder Woman from the sun to earth in milliseconds.

http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes8ju.jpg
http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes22yp.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
Might as well add this as well:

Punching Wonder Woman from the sun to earth in milliseconds.

http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes8ju.jpg
http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes22yp.jpg

Yup.

And Wonder Woman's durability is superior to Hercules'. Superman knocked her out.

Originally posted by batdude123
Punching Wonder Woman from the sun to earth in milliseconds.

http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes8ju.jpg
http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrysupes22yp.jpg I quite like that feat because frankly it's a pretty good one even for the "punchee"... that's a hell of a punch to take and get back up from.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I quite like that feat because frankly it's a pretty good one even for the "punchee"... that's a hell of a punch to take and get back up from. I agree. WW's durability is very underrated.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I agree. WW's durability is very underrated.

It's superior to Hercules'. (Wow, why do I feel like I'm repeating myself? ).

Originally posted by Soljer
Thanks for the defense, Souja.

Now onto the thread at hand:

Strength
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg
Holding a black hole. Also durability.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpg
Easily tossing something the size of a small moon.

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eradscrazy7mr.jpg
Eradicator's feat, but still something I haven't seen Hercules or Thor do....

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandMongul1.jpg
Shit-stomping Mongul

http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=056_supesarmgod1b.jpg
Arm-Wrestling Ba'al

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5772411
Through a moon.

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover06wu.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover0ut.jpg
Moving planets

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg0ac.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg23jf.jpg
Maggeddon.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9238/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg
Lifts eternity


Skills
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg
Pressure point attacks.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5696057
Karate Kid-ish

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21if.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=35xr.jpg
Fought for millenia in Asgard-experience

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=177ec.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=195vu.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=230nt.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=243oi.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253wr.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=292kg.jpg
Doing the Captain America thing, skills, acrobatics, etc. Some of which while depowered.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=435rc.jpg
Nerve strike

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week032000supesmos096051gy.jpg
Comments on his newly learned martial arts

Durability
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg
Double Black hole. Also strength.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5190704
Absorbs galaxy destroying warhead.

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p108rr.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p122vj.jpg
Etrigan. A MAGICAL demon. He hits superman to the friggin MOON, and Superman shrugs it off.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1291/1205zz6dt.jpg
Another Blackhole

http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1212ms.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1975yj.png
Survive in core of planets



Just some food for thought. Here's some more impressive strength feats.

In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propelled a massive space station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter (the length of the cylinder, judging by the depiction, had to have been about 2500 miles ) by pushing against it. The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural resources gleaned from an entire solar system. A hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). He had to exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with the stresses of hyperspace unprotected. Note that the space station was also towing both the Earth and the Moon in a stasis field, however, I do not factor this weight into the feat as Superman himself theorized that the stasis field was neutralizing the planet?s mass. Hence he merely resisted the space station?s weight, not the Earth and Moon?s.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush3.jpg


Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupestossinshipAOS473.jpg

The first one I have, but didn't want to post....

He specifically says something that contradicts other feats: "Lois is right, I have nothing like the power to push planets around."

Whereas, other feats I posted included Superman moving planets and the like.

Originally posted by Soljer
The first one I have, but didn't want to post....

He specifically says something that contradicts other feats: "Lois is right, I have nothing like the power to push planets around."

Whereas, other feats I posted included Superman moving planets and the like. Well that was towards the beginning of Post-Crisis Superman era. Plus it's the size of the ship where the feat is. It's massive like 600 miles in diameter and 2,500 hundred miles long.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's superior to Hercules'. (Wow, why do I feel like I'm repeating myself? ).

Read the Mindless Hulk fight and say that again.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Read the Mindless Hulk fight and say that again.

Wonder Woman's durability is superior to Hercules'.



Well, that was easy....

Originally posted by Soljer
Thanks for the defense, Souja.

Now onto the thread at hand:

Strength
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg
Holding a black hole. Also durability.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpg
Easily tossing something the size of a small moon.

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eradscrazy7mr.jpg
Eradicator's feat, but still something I haven't seen Hercules or Thor do....

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandMongul1.jpg
Shit-stomping Mongul

http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=056_supesarmgod1b.jpg
Arm-Wrestling Ba'al

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5772411
Through a moon.

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover06wu.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mover0ut.jpg
Moving planets

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg0ac.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magg23jf.jpg
Maggeddon.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9238/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg
Lifts eternity


Skills
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg
Pressure point attacks.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5696057
Karate Kid-ish

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21if.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=35xr.jpg
Fought for millenia in Asgard-experience

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=177ec.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=195vu.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=230nt.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=243oi.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253wr.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=292kg.jpg
Doing the Captain America thing, skills, acrobatics, etc. Some of which while depowered.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=435rc.jpg
Nerve strike

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week032000supesmos096051gy.jpg
Comments on his newly learned martial arts

Durability
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg
Double Black hole. Also strength.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5190704
Absorbs galaxy destroying warhead.

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p108rr.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics762p122vj.jpg
Etrigan. A MAGICAL demon. He hits superman to the friggin MOON, and Superman shrugs it off.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1291/1205zz6dt.jpg
Another Blackhole

http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1212ms.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1975yj.png
Survive in core of planets



Just some food for thought.

I can do that to....

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can do that to....

Go for it. Superman's strength and durability feats greatly eclipse Hercules'. His skill isn't too bad. AND, you aren't gonna find a single feat of Hercules' that will put him on a 'magical entity' level beyond that of Etrigan.

The MAGICAL entity that punched Superman to the moon. Right before, you know, Superman shrugged it off and flew right back?

Originally posted by Soljer
Wonder Woman's durability is superior to Hercules'.



Well, that was easy....

You forgot the reading the Mindless Hulk fight part. Hits from Mindless Hulk were putting top tier members of the Avengers down with ease, and Herc came out of that fight with no damage whatsoever. To be honest, Hulk's hits are a LOT harder than Superman's, especially when enraged to that point.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You forgot the reading the Mindless Hulk fight part. Hits from Mindless Hulk were putting top tier members of the Avengers down with ease, and Herc came out of that fight with no damage whatsoever. To be honest, Hulk's hits are a LOT harder than Superman's, especially when enraged to that point.

Doubtful, my friend. Very doubtful. I've seen not a single enraged hulk feat that would put him on the level of regular Superman, strength-wise. Sure, the Hulk may have the potential to get there, but he hasn't yet thus far in Marvel Continuity.

Originally posted by Soljer
Doubtful, my friend. Very doubtful. I've seen not a single enraged hulk feat that would put him on the level of regular Superman, strength-wise. Sure, the Hulk may have the potential to get there, but he hasn't yet thus far in Marvel Continuity.

Well he does have one, punching through reality, but Thor and Herc have done the same so meh. Speaking of which, has Superman done so?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Well he does have one, punching through reality, but Thor and Herc have done the same so meh. Speaking of which, has Superman done so?

Have Thor or Herc moved planets? Turned wheels on a ship that dwarfed a solar system? One shotted planets? Held a black hole? Travel at superluminal velocities in a double black hole? Easily toss a small moon? Arm wrestle someone like Ba'al? Lift eternity?

Yeah, lemme know.

Hulk does have some feats on Supes's level, such as redirecting a cosmos-destroying blast with a thunderclap, breaking out of a barrier that the Silver Surfer tried to keep him in, destroyed that asteroid 2X the size of Earth, resisting matter-antimatter, ripping apart a wall designed to withstand attacks from Celestials )as was witnessed by a Celestial IIRC), etc.

However, they pretty much waned in quality over the years, so Superman does currently have the more impressive strength feats. Although, who knows, may be they'll be better again after this whole "Planet Hulk" storyline.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman being stronger is based on feats. Hercules claims to have held the earth once, from atlas....but wasn't that also described during drunken boasting?

Wasn't his best feat towing the island of manhattan?

Superman has held black holes and turned the wheels of mageddon. Kal-el is almost ASSUREDLY stronger.
No, it wasent described during drunken boasting. And no, his best feat isent the island towning either.

Hit the respect threads.

Superman never held a black hole either. And the size of the weels wasent stated. Its speculative.

Originally posted by Soljer
If a tap from Captain Marvel's magical fist won't knock him out, a tap from Hercules' is gonna do shit-all.
You know, that is weird. Because being punched by a magical charged first did knocked Superman out.

Not to mention, non charged magical fists have hurt Superman and made him bleed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Guys the bottom line is Hercules and never defeated anybody on Supermans level of strength and durability. While Superman deals with Herc. level guys everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Thor, Thor equals, Thypon, never lost against Hulk who can get stronger than any of these, Terminus, Wonder Woman, Wonder Man, post upgrade She Hulk.

Yeah, never. Usual Snoopdawg flawed logic. By the same token Superman sure beats top tiers twice to Sunday doesnt he? Wonder Woman, Captain marvel, Black Adam, Mon-El, Lobo..oh wait. he doesnt.

About the scans showed.

1- Never held the black hole. He stopped it from releasing, so he didnt had to held it in the first place.

2- Small moon? How big was the small moon? Do we know?

3- Planet moving while sunboast.

4- An Erradicator feat isent a Superman feat. Can i use Thor`s feats for Hercules as well?

Acrobatics? Herc has one it. Judo trows? Done. Grappling? Herc is better. Millenia of experience? Herc has it all over.

Hercules takes the majority in a H2H match. Does anyone even think Supes can beat WW in those? Heck the speed is equal here.

Originally posted by Soljer
Have Thor or Herc moved planets? Turned wheels on a ship that dwarfed a solar system? One shotted planets? Held a black hole? Travel at superluminal velocities in a double black hole? Easily toss a small moon? Arm wrestle someone like Ba'al? Lift eternity?

Yeah, lemme know.

1- Planet moving force while armwrestling, shutting down dimensional doors mythical feats. The one problem with it its all high end feats. Same for Superman. What are the odds of that kind of force being exerted in a H2H MATCH?

1. Superman hasent one shot planets.

2- How strong is actually Ba´ll? He seemed even with Superman so...top tier?

3- Pll should actually read the "black hole" feat..

4- Hercules cant "travel" in space because he doesnt fly. What is the point of bringing every random Superman feat here? Only strength, stamina and skills matter.

5- He didnt lifted Eternity. He stopped if from falling with WW. "Eternity" wasent given a weigth either other than being "heavy".

How hard can Hulk punch? AFAIK he can't move his limbs at superhuman speeds (Well, that fast!) Punching usually has more to do with speed and skill.. Hulk can lift alot.. A LOT! But can he punch with the same force? I doubt it. His hits would be invisible to naked eye if he used that much force with his every hit.

On the other hand, these are comics we're talking about.

He usually punches hard enough to hurt top tiers.

Superman doesnt usually punch anyone with earth shaking force, or moon shaking force, either. He usually punches with strength enough to hurt pll on his tier. And when he fails to do, either there is a plot device or its called a low showing (aka, im having a bad day). This is regarded to anyone. Pll often perform at regular levels they are, then above and sometimes below. The writers, often write comic characters similar in that respect.

Punching has to do with strength. How and where to punch in order to hurt the opponent more, now that is more with skills.

*I did made an error tho in my post above. They tried to stop Spectre from falling but couldnt. They probably slowed down the fall, tho*

Instead of knocking Supermans feats Olympian why don't you post some of Hercules feats?

Oh wait...that's cause he has nothing that compares to them. None that actually happened in a comic or that he wasn't "stretching" the truth.

Originally posted by Jyppe
How hard can Hulk punch? AFAIK he can't move his limbs at superhuman speeds (Well, that fast!) Punching usually has more to do with speed and skill.. Hulk can lift alot.. A LOT! But can he punch with the same force? I doubt it. His hits would be invisible to naked eye if he used that much force with his every hit.

On the other hand, these are comics we're talking about.

That was gonna be my point. He does punch as hard as he lifts. Check the Hulk respect thread. The guy who put it together is Johnathanos from SHC, and Devilhulk stole the scans without permission. Johnathanos is, however, very knowledgable hulk-wise.

Originally posted by olympian


1- Never held the black hole. He stopped it from releasing, so he didnt had to held it in the first place.
The black hole destroyed the device that was containing it. Superman then held it in check.
Originally posted by olympian

2- Small moon? How big was the small moon? Do we know?It's still bigger than anything Herc. has ever done all by himself. On panel
Originally posted by olympian

3- Planet moving while sunboast. He's been stated in comics as being able to move planets. By somebody else other than himself. You know like how Herc. SAYS he held the Earth.

Originally posted by olympian


Acrobatics? Herc has one it. Judo trows? Done. Grappling? Herc is better. Millenia of experience? Herc has it all over. Herc. spent a Millenia fighting trolls and midgets. Superman fights stuff that would give Herc. a f*cking heart attack.

Superman and Wonder Woman spent a millenia or so fighting in DC Asgard anyway iirc.

Originally posted by olympian
About the scans showed.

1- Never held the black hole. He stopped it from releasing, so he didnt had to held it in the first place.



3- Pll should actually read the "black hole" feat.. He did hold it as he says in the scan.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesblackholeJLA77.jpg

Originally posted by olympian


5- He didnt lifted Eternity. He stopped if from falling with WW. "Eternity" wasent given a weigth either other than being "heavy". They succeeded in what they set out to do as Spectre said his weight was NEARLY too much for them. If the Spectre would have landed it would have destroyed the Moon and knocked it out of orbit. So yea it's safe to say it's heavy. The thing that sucks about this feat is WW is helping so we don't know who had more of the weight as it was a team effort. Just like most of Hercs. feats.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Instead of knocking Supermans feats Olympian why don't you post some of Hercules feats?

Oh wait...that's cause he has nothing that compares to them. None that actually happened in a comic or that he wasn't "stretching" the truth.
If i scretched the truth about Hercules feats as much as you do with Superman`s, there would be no room for more feats.

Anyone can go to BOTH Hercules capability threads and read them. Haha, this coming from someone who claimed that the Doomsday who fougth SM, Bats and WW at Paradise Island was incredibly durable to explain the power of the HV, that Superman used.

The same Doomsday(`s) that was being chopped by Batman with an axe

Here is what i do with your objective analisys:

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/4716/supesblackholejla77wb5.jpg

Clear? The BH wasent out in the first place. The best you can say is that he managed to deal with the pressure of it *trying* to be fully released. And while its a really good feat, its nothing more than that.

Because you know, its what Superman did and stated.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
.It's still bigger than anything Herc. has ever done all by himself. On panel

He's been stated in comics as being able to move planets. By somebody else other than himself. You know like how Herc. SAYS he held the Earth.

Herc. spent a Millenia fighting trolls and midgets. Superman fights stuff that would give Herc. a f*cking heart attack.

1- I agree with you. Seemed a bigger feat than shutting down dimensional doors. On panel.

2- Cool. Its been stated and showed that Herc held the Earth. On panel.

3- Yes. Like dealing with Lois everynigth. Off panel.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He did hold it as he says in the scan.
They succeeded in what they set out to do as Spectre said his weight was NEARLY too much for them. If the Spectre would have landed it would have destroyed the Moon and knocked it out of orbit. So yea it's safe to say it's heavy. The thing that sucks about this feat is WW is helping so we don't know who had more of the weight as it was a team effort. Just like most of Hercs. feats.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg
They set out to stop the Spectre from falling. They tried. They couldnt as we see him fall. All of that starts with the previous page that ironically you never post.

At most they slow down the fall. Wich *i* being the scretcher of the truth you say i am, cleary deny.

Originally posted by Soljer
Doubtful, my friend. Very doubtful. I've seen not a single enraged hulk feat that would put him on the level of regular Superman, strength-wise. Sure, the Hulk may have the potential to get there, but he hasn't yet thus far in Marvel Continuity.

Very true. But Marvel has different ideas about strength. A Superman character would appear to be less powerful in a Marvel Universe, while a Hulk/Thor/Hercules character would perform more ludicrous feats more often, in a DC universe.

Originally posted by olympian
They set out to stop the Spectre from falling. They tried. They couldnt as we see him fall. All of that starts with the previous page that ironically you never post.

At most they slow down the fall. Wich *i* being the scretcher of the truth you say i am, cleary deny. If I had the previsous page I would post it. Why don't you post it? Anyways if the Spectre would have landed it would have knocked the Moon out of orbit iirc. Please post it.

And Superman is stronger and more durable than Herc. I'll give Herc. the skills edge but he won't take a majority over Supes. Maybe Herc. will get 4.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

It says "nearly too much", not too much. So it seems that they lift it at least for a while...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

It says "nearly too much", not too much. So it seems that they lift it at least for a while... And the best part DC is he was falling which would make it harder than just picking him up off the ground.

Lol and in both scans green lanterns...................they need to get off their arses and produce!

Here:

http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soulwar28mv4ql.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg

"We have to catch him before he.."

Paints his nails. Theyr porpuse was cleary one.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If I had the previsous page I would post it. Why don't you post it? Anyways if the Spectre would have landed it would have knocked the Moon out of orbit iirc. Please post it.

And Superman is stronger and more durable than Herc. I'll give Herc. the skills edge but he won't take a majority over Supes. Maybe Herc. will get 4.

If Herk is MORE skilled, and here its at EQUAL speeds, how does he only takes 4 in a H2H MATCH?

Do you honestly think Superman is heaps many stronger than Hercules, or something? Hes not Kurse.

Originally posted by olympian




If Herk is MORE skilled, and here its at EQUAL speeds, how does he only takes 4 in a H2H MATCH?

Do you honestly think Superman is heaps many stronger than Hercules, or something? Hes not Kurse. A strength and durability advantage would be more critical than a skills advantage imo.

In a H2H match? Really?

So in a match where the main qualifier is skills, and you admit the opponent is better, not to mention both being close strengthwise and here at equal speeds, you still give the HUGE nod to the guy with less skills?

Your just thinking of Kurse. Or who knows pre crisis Karate Kid.

Originally posted by olympian
In a H2H match? Really?

So in a match where the main qualifier is skills, and you admit the opponent is better, not to mention both being close strengthwise and here at equal speeds, you still give the HUGE nod to the guy with less skills?

Your just thinking of Kurse. Or who knows pre crisis Karate Kid. I don't think I'm alone either in my views.

As two recent SHC threads showed, neither am i.

For Herk to get only 4 out of 10 in a skills match where he has the skill advantage, Supes would have to be in a totally upper class, physically speaking.

And as strength goes, he isent. No matter who you think its sligthy stronger.

Originally posted by olympian
As a recent SHC thread showed, neither am i.

For Herk to get only 4 out of 10 in a match where he has the skill advantage, Supes would have to be in a totally upper class alone.

And as strength goes, he isent. No matter who you think its sligthy stronger. Just curious but what's your screen name at SHC? I remember that thread with the Superman/Thor/Herc. strength debate. Pretty much most people agreed Hercs. feats were hyperbole.

To be honest, it's a general consensus that Superman is stronger. Now, some would argue that general consensus is correct, and to that I say this. Was the general consensus right on the world being flat? Hell, don't make me quote the line from Men in Black.

Originally posted by olympian
As a recent SHC thread showed, neither am i.


Very true. I'd put the knowledge of the guys there over the guys here.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
To be honest, it's a general consensus that Superman is stronger. Now, some would argue that general consensus is correct, and to that I say this. Was the general consensus right on the world being flat? Hell, don't make me quote the line from Men in Black.

Very true. I'd put the knowledge of the guys there over the guys here. Riddle me this: What's the general consensus on the shape of the earth now?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Just curious but what's your screen name at SHC? I remember that thread with the Superman/Thor/Herc. strength debate. Pretty much most people agreed Hercs. feats were hyperbole.
I dont post there. I lurk and know a few posters tho, but pll like Jellyrobes are a test to my patience.

The ONE feat (not feats) that was *discussed* as hyperbolic by some was the helding the Earth one. I already said in a thread i made here that, that one is up to debate. Some dont consider it. I do.

I find something hyperbolic when the character never did something similiar ever. The problem is, he has ridiculous similiar feats: The earth armwrestling one and shutting down dimensional doors with strength. So there is a precedence for it.

Not only that, the labours are canon. The reason behind them are canon. It was stated outside its own words as well. There was no labour worth more of screen time than the other in the infamious page. Nada.

You consider it hyperbole? I dont share the same opinion and belive my defense isent far off. For the record i view SM and Herk damn close that in a day to day basis one wont show up with a huge edge over the other.

What exactly is a pll?

Originally posted by LordFear
You believe that an alien that is godlike on our planet, can contain A DAMN BLACKHOLE/ AN EVENT HORIZON THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AS SAYING THAT NOTHING CAN ESCAPE IT? This is the level of stupidity that had me stop reading Superman


What and you believe a guy in a purple suit that eats planets and wears a skirt is feasible?, this is comics we cant place real life scenarios on them, besides the term ALIEN has to be taken on board and the fact its a comic book.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Riddle me this: What's the general consensus on the shape of the earth now?

Where the hell did this come from? The point of my statement is that the general consensus is not always knowledgable enough. Now, when proven wrong, then the general consensus finds something else to be incorrect about.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Just curious but what's your screen name at SHC? I remember that thread with the Superman/Thor/Herc. strength debate. Pretty much most people agreed Hercs. feats were hyperbole.

No, you said they were hyperbole, and so did the Superman fans. I'm assuming you're taking Jellyrobes' statements as fact, when he's a complete and total tool?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Riddle me this: What's the general consensus on the shape of the earth now?
Its squared.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What exactly is a pll?

pll= people.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Where the hell did this come from? The point of my statement is that the general consensus is not always knowledgable enough.Opinions are based on available evidence. Argumentum ad populum is logical fallacy. But then simply saying the majority can be wrong is not an argument in itself either.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Now, when proven wrong, then the general consensus finds something else to be incorrect about. Incoherent.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Opinions are based on available evidence. Argumentum ad populum is logical fallacy. But then simply saying the majority can be wrong is not an argument in itself either.
Incoherent.

No, I'm saying the majority on more than one occasion in the past has been a group of complete and total imbeciles who have no idea what they're talking about.

Also, it's only incoherent in your eyes because you disagree, and have no reason to say otherwise, because anyone can see that a lot of people know absolutely nothing about anything. Go walk the streets of New York and ask who came first: Justice League or the Fantastic Four. They'll say Fantastic Four, when in reality it was Justice League.

Sorry, but your sorry attempt at saying that most people know what they're talking about isn't working.

I'm just gonna quote it, and that's the end.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
No, I'm saying the majority on more than one occasion in the past has been a group of complete and total imbeciles who have no idea what they're talking about. That's nice. Yet irrelevant.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, it's only incoherent in your eyes because you disagree, and have no reason to say otherwise, because anyone can see that a lot of people know absolutely nothing about anything.No it's actually an incoherent statement, unless you actually mean the general consensus is always wrong. Which is both generalisation and fallacy.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Go walk the streets of New York and ask who came first: Justice League or the Fantastic Four. They'll say Fantastic Four, when in reality it was Justice League.Am I supposed to care what some random person on the streets of New York in your hypothetical anecdotal non-point?
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Sorry, but your sorry attempt at saying that most people know what they're talking about isn't working. Sorry but your attempt to say that people are wrong solely because they're in agreement against what you would prefer isn't working.

Just for kicks, since i scretch the truth.

http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc258&image=08600_manhhy.jpg

http://img128.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc300&image=08484_bridwixt.jpg

http://img24.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc245&image=08473_arrroww.jpg

http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc131&image=10233_extra2.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc25&image=10243_extra4.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc294&image=10247_extra5.jpg

(see how even the weather was changing? Not in SM`s league at all).

http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc272&image=09874_begone.jpg

And: Depowered mortal Hercules against post Onslaugth Hulk.

http://img134.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc6&image=09401_unleashed1.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc177&image=09406_unleashed2.jpg
http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc280&image=09411_unleashed3.jpg
http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc67&image=09416_unleashed4.jpg
http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc46&image=09421_unleashed5.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc133&image=09440_unleashed9.jpg

I find it weird that a guy whos done things like this among others isent close at all physically with SM so that he would lose the majority, even when according to one poster he has the skill edge. In a hand to hand match no less.

Gah, anyway I'm taking Hercules for the win when it comes to grabbing and beating up other big sweaty men h2h or course!

Just because the opponent is big and sweaty!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's nice. Yet irrelevant.
No it's actually an incoherent statement, unless you actually mean the general consensus is always wrong. Which is both generalisation and fallacy.
Am I supposed to care what some random person on the streets of New York in your hypothetical anecdotal non-point?
Sorry but your attempt to say that people are wrong solely because they're in agreement against what you would prefer isn't working.



General Consensus is a proven group of morons. Get over yourself and read what I'm saying instead of dismissing it like a crooked attourney.

Originally posted by olympian
Just for kicks, since i scretch the truth.

http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc258&image=08600_manhhy.jpg

http://img128.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc300&image=08484_bridwixt.jpg

http://img24.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc245&image=08473_arrroww.jpg

http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc131&image=10233_extra2.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc25&image=10243_extra4.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc294&image=10247_extra5.jpg

(see how even the weather was changing? Not in SM`s league at all).

http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc272&image=09874_begone.jpg

And: Depowered mortal Hercules against post Onslaugth Hulk.

http://img134.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc6&image=09401_unleashed1.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc177&image=09406_unleashed2.jpg
http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc280&image=09411_unleashed3.jpg
http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc67&image=09416_unleashed4.jpg
http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc46&image=09421_unleashed5.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc133&image=09440_unleashed9.jpg

I find it weird that a guy whos done things like this among others isent close at all physically with SM so that he would lose the majority, even when according to one poster he has the skill edge. In a hand to hand match no less.

There's a few chick pics in there.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
General Consensus is a proven group of morons.Baseless generalisation.Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Get over yourself and read what I'm saying instead of dismissing it like a crooked attourney. Because a quote from Men in Black clearly provides us with the meaning of all that is. I'm reading what you're saying and I'm dismissing it because it's fallacious.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Baseless generalisation. Because a quote from Men in Black clearly provides us with the meaning of all that is. I'm reading what you're saying and I'm dismissing it because it's fallacious.

I've given you more than one reference as to why the general consensus is full of imbeciles. Also, the medium does not indicate correct or incorrect. If that's the case, then I guess that the Vietnam War never happened, JFK is still alive, and the Civil War was a farting contest.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I've given you more than one reference as to why the general consensus is full of imbeciles.And as stated it's a faulty generalisation. The majority of people held an incorrect belief in x situation, therefore the majority of people always hold incorrect belief in all situations? Who comprises "general consensus" with relevance to the current topic?
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, the medium does not indicate correct or incorrect. If that's the case, then I guess that the Vietnam War never happened, JFK is still alive, and the Civil War was a farting contest. No idea what on earth you're talking about.

Any particular reason why you two are arguing over the unwashed masses perception of the earth ?

Originally posted by grey fox
Any particular reason why you two are arguing over the unwashed masses perception of the earth ? General boredom. It's what the forum is for.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And as stated it's a faulty generalisation. The majority of people held an incorrect belief in x situation, therefore the majority of people always hold incorrect belief in all situations? Who comprises "general consensus" with relevance to the current topic?

Because it's a general consensus that Superman is stronger than Hercules. Thus the relevance.




Reading is fundamental.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
General boredom. It's what the forum is for.

Ah , well stop it.


Your making both of yourselves look like douche-bags.

Originally posted by Soljer
Have Thor or Herc moved planets? Turned wheels on a ship that dwarfed a solar system? One shotted planets? Held a black hole? Travel at superluminal velocities in a double black hole? Easily toss a small moon? Arm wrestle someone like Ba'al? Lift eternity?

Yeah, lemme know.

"Have Thor or Herc moved planets?"

Yes, actually they have. Thor has done so many times by simply hitting his opponent, or in an arm wrestling match.

"Turned wheels on a ship that dwarfed a solar system?"

The ship's weight was never established. All we see is Superman pulling some big chains, thats about as hyperbolic as Hercules "hold the earth" feat.

"One shotted planets?"

Superman's never one shotted a planet. Thor's never tried, but his exact equal has.

"Held a black hole?"

Superman didn't hold a black hole. All he did was stop it from opening. However Thor has physically resisted the gravity of a neutron star, punched through dimensional barriers, etc.

"Travel at superluminal velocities in a double black hole?"

Flying out of a black hole really isn't that impressive.


"Easily toss a small moon?"

The moon isn't even that large, like the size of Texas or something like that. Fishing and lifting the Midgard Serpent is much more impressive.

"Arm wrestle someone like Ba'al"

Thor's been in physical matchup's against Mangog, Kurse, Drax with the power gem, etc.

"lift Eternity?"

All he did was catch the fall of a being who's weight wasn't even established. All we know is that he was heavy, and he had the help from WW.

Originally posted by grey fox
Ah , well stop it.


Your making both of yourselves look like douche-bags.


I want to also, can I join!

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Because it's a general consensus that Superman is stronger than Hercules. Thus the relevance.False analogy, and faulty generalisation. Unless you mean to say that a) comparison of Superman and Hercules strength is akin to technological advancement changing perception of the natural world and b) all those in agreement that Superman is stronger, and are thus part of "the general consensus" are consequently imbeciles.Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Reading is fundamental. So is writing in an intelligible manner.

The armwrestling thing was clearly hyperbole.

Originally posted by grey fox
Ah , well stop it.
Your making both of yourselves look like douche-bags. I'm surprisingly okay with that.

Originally posted by Soleran
I want to also, can I join!

Yup , just tape this.....

http://www.dustyscott.com/blog/douchebag.jpg

.....to your head and your set.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
The armwrestling thing was clearly hyperbole.

How so?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How so?

How the hell can they move the earth by armwrestling? These guys are strong, but not THAT strong.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
How the hell can they move the earth by armwrestling? These guys are strong, but not THAT strong.

Their not that strong, apparently they are? Thor moved Pangoria by simply hitting the fourth celestial host.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The ship's weight was never established.

The size of the ship was stated on panel to "DWARF THE SIZE OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM." Not to mention, 99% of our solar system's size is empty space, so there goes your argument right out the window.

Not only is the ship larger than the solar system, it's also HELL of a lot more massive, and heavier.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
All we see is Superman pulling some big chains, thats about as hyperbolic as Hercules "hold the earth" feat.

Mageddon's ship MOVED because of Superman's actions. He moved an object that is many times more massive, larger, and heavier than our solar system. There's NOTHING hyperbolic about that statement. There's no room for interpretation, even from your EXTREMELY biased point of view.

Come back when you actually have a clue what the hell you're talking about.

Thanks.

Originally posted by batdude123
Come back when you actually have a clue what the hell you're talking about.

Thanks.

I have a clue and it has to do with Waldo, I know what I'm talking about care to play my game too!

You're Welcome!

Originally posted by batdude123
The size of the ship was stated on panel to "DWARF THE SIZE OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM." Not to mention, 99% of our solar system's size is empty space, so there goes your argument right out the window.

Not only is the ship larger than the solar system, it's also HELL of a lot more massive, and heavier.



Mageddon's ship MOVED because of Superman's actions. He moved an object that is many times more massive, larger, and heavier than our solar system. There's NOTHING hyperbolic about that statement. There's no room for interpretation, even from your EXTREMELY biased point of view.

Come back when you actually have a clue what the hell you're talking about.

Thanks.

Ok Batdudue show us where it's stated on panel to be this big, because in the scan you showed us the ship wasn't "hell of a lot more massive, and heavier, than the earth. The ship you showed us was nowhere near as big as you claim.

It has nothing to do with being biased, just Superman's hyperbolic feats. You'd do the same thing if I provided you with an iffy scan.

Come back when you actually have the proof to back your claim.

Your Welcome

Yeah, in real life. The stronger your muscles are (And you also need to have the necessary technique, you can't be stiff etc) you punch faster and harder.

A Hulk, who can lift 100 tons. Punches. It has been said that Hulk can't move his limbs at superhuman speed.

Imagine this.

You, punching something (Let's say a 10 year old) to the face with all your might. Now the kid is KOed (Unless you're VERY weak, or a bad puncher) as the sole force in the impact is huge.

Now, imagine a bodybuilder. slowly extending his hand against something (Let's say the 10 year old again. I hate those) The 10 year old is knocked down, but not necessarely KOec. If the 10 year old were resisting this punch with superhuman might, then the punch would KO him, but normally he'd just knocked back or something.

It's really hard to explain. A character who weights 120 lbs with a 100 ton strenght.. Sigh. Logically Hulk couldn't punch THAT hard if he doesn't have a superhuman limb speed, but the writers don't stop to think that. Or then he has and I'm just remembering something wrong..

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That was gonna be my point. He does punch as hard as he lifts. Check the Hulk respect thread. The guy who put it together is Johnathanos from SHC, and Devilhulk stole the scans without permission. Johnathanos is, however, very knowledgable hulk-wise.

He propably punches harder than he can lift, but that's what I get for using real life physics in a comic book debate

Does Hulk have a superhuman hand speed?

Originally posted by grey fox
Any particular reason why you two are arguing over the unwashed masses perception of the earth ?

I dont get it either. I already said it was square!

Originally posted by Dinalfos
How the hell can they move the earth by armwrestling? These guys are strong, but not THAT strong.

How the hell can SM even with help, move the moon with chains?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Ok Batdudue show us where it's stated on panel to be this big, because in the scan you showed us the ship wasn't "hell of a lot more massive, and heavier, than the earth. The ship you showed us was nowhere near as big as you claim.

It has nothing to do with being biased, just Superman's hyperbolic feats. You'd do the same thing if I provided you with an iffy scan.

Come back when you actually have the proof to back your claim.

Your Welcome

I would actually want to see pages of the whole feat as well. Not just some random scan of it.

bump

bump dammit!!!!