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Originally posted by Blue Dragon
3. Surviving for more than a hundred million years, the leatherback turtle is facing extinction. Less than 2000 females exist in the Eastern Pacific Ocean. People invaded & caused these to fall to such low numbers!

I must say; I care more about mammals than some damn reptile.

Although the fact that it's a living fossil that saw the dinosaurs come and go is pretty admirable.

Hey, all are important than each other & should not be turned down at all just because it isn't a mammal. You might as well not care at all. It's okay to like mammals more than them, I prefer mammals to sea creatures but love them all & will help.

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Hey, all are important than each other & should not be turned down at all just because it isn't a mammal. You might as well not care at all. It's okay to like mammals more than them, I prefer mammals to sea creatures but love them all & will help.

I care about higher animals like mammals. But I could give a **** about sea cucumbers, jelly fish etc.

I am a human. So I care for humans first. But cool if you care for all animals equally.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I care about higher animals like mammals. But I could give a **** about sea cucumbers, jelly fish etc.
So...tell me, why are you hear again?

In reference to the list: I like tigers, elephants, gorillas, polar bears, and pandas, and would be willing to save them more than a reptile who's already been on the planet longer than it's share.

Mammals are still new on the geopgraphic timeline.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am a human. So I care for humans first. But cool if you care for all animals equally.
I don't believe in a first & top species. That's how most people see it. Because we can make decisions, learn more than they do, design stuff, do stuff etc, they look at animals & compared to us they think they're thick & not important as us.

I don't believe in that at all. They can do stuff we can't. They know when danger is coming, climb, build their own home, hunt using their own power, swim more etc. They may not understand human language or learn Maths, but they know how to survive without harming the planet.

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
I don't believe in a first & top species. That's how most people see it. Because we can make decisions, learn more than they do, design stuff, do stuff etc, they look at animals & compared to us they think they're thick & not important as us.

I don't believe in that at all. They can do stuff we can't. They know when danger is coming, climb, build their own home, hunt using their own power, swim more etc. They may not understand human language or learn Maths, but they know how to survive without harming the planet.

I don't either. I think they are all equal. Nothing special.I don't even think lie is special. I think stones and trees and such are also equal. I just happen to be a human so I prefer humans personally.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
In reference to the list: I like tigers, elephants, gorillas, polar bears, and pandas, and would be willing to save them more than a reptile who's already been on the planet longer than it's share.

Mammals are still new on the geopgraphic timeline.
That isn't fair at all. That's if to say that we've been here long enough, out we go! It's not their fault they've been here longer than us & it's not the same ones, it's the new ones for their turn to live. The only time something has had it's time to live is when it natrually dies.

whats the deal with conservationists...it is completely at odds with nature to try and protect the survival of species...

the only species that has an idiotic urge to protect others is us humans....granted we are responsible for the extinction of many species but did you ever stop to think that maybe its what we as a species are supposed to do...drive the adaption of other species to our enviroment and weed out those who are incapable of adapting

take the panda...pointless waste of time trying to conserve a species with such a feeble grip on survival...yet we throw huge resourses at these kinds of project in some vein attempt to preserve the past

there are more species that have went extinct way before human beings ever entred the equation...

it happens...be it from meteor strikes, supervolcanic eruptions or human intervention...and face it...the former 2 have had far more of an impact than the later 1 and in a much shorter timescale aswell....and still life goes on....and still we have a massively diverse planet...

**** conservation and the horse it rode in on

Originally posted by jaden101
whats the deal with conservationists...it is completely at odds with nature to try and protect the survival of species...

the only species that has an idiotic urge to protect others is us humans....granted we are responsible for the extinction of many species but did you ever stop to think that maybe its what we as a species are supposed to do...drive the adaption of other species to our enviroment and weed out those who are incapable of adapting

take the panda...pointless waste of time trying to conserve a species with such a feeble grip on survival...yet we throw huge resourses at these kinds of project in some vein attempt to preserve the past

there are more species that have went extinct way before human beings ever entred the equation...

it happens...be it from meteor strikes, supervolcanic eruptions or human intervention...and face it...the former 2 have had far more of an impact than the later 1 and in a much shorter timescale aswell....and still life goes on....and still we have a massively diverse planet...

**** conservation and the horse it rode in on

Orale.

Extinction is natural, and truth be told; the panda is doomed and it's days are numbered.

Hmm...I think I'm an endangered species.

But seriously, good for you. If that is what you want. Go for it.

i believe the solution lies in killing all humans...

makes definite sense, no?

I wanted to be in endangered species once. Then my parents made me see a shrink. Nowadays, I sometimes find myself logged in as Lord Urizen...

Originally posted by jaden101
but did you ever stop to think that maybe its what we as a species are supposed to do...drive the adaption of other species to our enviroment and weed out those who are incapable of adapting

...adapting to our destruction of every ecosystem we inhabit or purge of resources? perhaps. perhaps we are mean to knock off all balance in nature and kill all life, including ourselves ultimately.

if thats the case, maybe we should at least attempt to defy such a destiny, no?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Orale.

Extinction is natural, and truth be told; the panda is doomed and it's days are numbered.
Mostly not. In the case of the Dinosaurs then yes & other animals that were caught up in that. Take the tiger for example. Why do you think in 100 years, 94% of it's population has gone? It's not of natural death or fighting with another tiger, it isn't because there isn't enough tigers in the world. It's because people shoot them for fun, to use their fur & bones to sell. So many bring the tiger population down because of this & everyday tigers are being killed unatrually...

People just don't understand the importance of wildlife like people. It's a tiger, it's a living creature with feelings. It feels the emotions we feel from anger to fear. If you kill, you are a murderer, no matter what it is you kill. Killing for food is different but I still don't agree with that but I'm okay with it. Me & my mum are vegetarians because of this & because of the taste too.

Dolphins get caught in fishing nets all the time. Elephants are killed for their tusks. Orang-utans are kept as pets then dumped when too much trouble to care for them. They don't know how to survive in the wild. Polars bears' homes melting away because too much pollution at once. This is only a few.

Pollution needs to be kept under control & slowed down until we can think of ways of using solar & wind power. Those wind turbines are genious! Too many cars for a start. Every single person has just got to get a bloody car ain't they as soon as they're old enough to drive...pathetic! I stick to buses, walking or bike. Buses will hold more people. One car usually holds 5 people. If 5 people were to use one car instead of one person per car, that's 4 less cars off the road per every five cars. Instead of 5 cars, 1 car. The numbers would go down so quickly & will buy us more time.

Don't talk about the panda like that either. pissed

Originally posted by ~Forever*Alone~
i believe the solution lies in killing all humans...

makes definite sense, no?

No, because I'm human.

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Mostly not. In the case of the Dinosaurs then yes & other animals that were caught up in that. Take the tiger for example. Why do you think in 100 years, 94% of it's population has gone? It's not of natural death or fighting with another tiger, it isn't because there isn't enough tigers in the world. It's because people shoot them for fun, to use their fur & bones to sell. So many bring the tiger population down because of this & everyday tigers are being killed unatrually...

People just don't understand the importance of wildlife like people. It's a tiger, it's a living creature with feelings. It feels the emotions we feel from anger to fear. If you kill, you are a murderer, no matter what it is you kill. Killing for food is different but I still don't agree with that but I'm okay with it. Me & my mum are vegetarians because of this & because of the taste too.

Dolphins get caught in fishing nets all the time. Elephants are killed for their tusks. Orang-utans are kept as pets then dumped when too much trouble to care for them. They don't know how to survive in the wild. Polars bears' homes melting away because too much pollution at once. This is only a few.

Pollution needs to be kept under control & slowed down until we can think of ways of using solar & wind power. Those wind turbines are genious! Too many cars for a start. Every single person has just got to get a bloody car ain't they as soon as they're old enough to drive...pathetic! I stick to buses, walking or bike. Buses will hold more people. One car usually holds 5 people. If 5 people were to use one car instead of one person per car, that's 4 less cars off the road per every five cars. Instead of 5 cars, 1 car. The numbers would go down so quickly & will buy us more time.


You're familiar with survival of the fittest, right? Well it also applies to humans. Homo sapiens is just another animal species, and like many other animals, Homo sapiens kills. It doesn't matter in he kills because he has to eat or just for fun, species will go extinct. Hell, even cats kill for pleasure; namely jaguars and leopards.

All species will go extinct regardless of the cause. The only thing that conservationist are doing/accomplishing, is post-poning a natural eventual] process.

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Don't talk about the panda like that either. pissed

It's true, ey. The panda is about as doomed as a snowman in Las Vegas.

In fact, they'll probably go extinct in your lifetime.

Originally posted by PVS
...adapting to our destruction of every ecosystem we inhabit or purge of resources? perhaps. perhaps we are mean to knock off all balance in nature and kill all life, including ourselves ultimately.

if thats the case, maybe we should at least attempt to defy such a destiny, no?

Ah bullshit, even if we blow up this planet, of what matter is it?

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Mostly not. In the case of the Dinosaurs then yes & other animals that were caught up in that. Take the tiger for example. Why do you think in 100 years, 94% of it's population has gone? It's not of natural death or fighting with another tiger, it isn't because there isn't enough tigers in the world. It's because people shoot them for fun, to use their fur & bones to sell. So many bring the tiger population down because of this & everyday tigers are being killed unatrually...

People just don't understand the importance of wildlife like people. It's a tiger, it's a living creature with feelings. It feels the emotions we feel from anger to fear. If you kill, you are a murderer, no matter what it is you kill. Killing for food is different but I still don't agree with that but I'm okay with it. Me & my mum are vegetarians because of this & because of the taste too.

Dolphins get caught in fishing nets all the time. Elephants are killed for their tusks. Orang-utans are kept as pets then dumped when too much trouble to care for them. They don't know how to survive in the wild. Polars bears' homes melting away because too much pollution at once. This is only a few.

Pollution needs to be kept under control & slowed down until we can think of ways of using solar & wind power. Those wind turbines are genious! Too many cars for a start. Every single person has just got to get a bloody car ain't they as soon as they're old enough to drive...pathetic! I stick to buses, walking or bike. Buses will hold more people. One car usually holds 5 people. If 5 people were to use one car instead of one person per car, that's 4 less cars off the road per every five cars. Instead of 5 cars, 1 car. The numbers would go down so quickly & will buy us more time.

Don't talk about the panda like that either. pissed

Wow, honey, easy, we are a natural cause. There is nothing unnatural about us.

*loads shotgun and goes bunny hunting*

*loads shotgun and hunts strawman bashers*

Originally posted by PVS
*loads shotgun and hunts strawman bashers*

Don't get it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't get it.
me neither. whats a strawman basher?

you know, those that assume that people who care about conservation of nature automatically do so because they dont want to see cute little fluffy animals killed.


yeah, kill a bunny for me, i never tried rabbit. just dont extinct them or kill one just to rip off its pelt and leave its quivering remains to rot.

Originally posted by PVS
you know, those that assume that people who care about conservation of nature automatically do so because they dont want to see cute little fluffy animals killed.

Do we have those?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do we have those?

shut up

Originally posted by PVS
shut up

You just want me to shut up cause you like cute fluffy anmals.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You just want me to shut up cause you like cute fluffy anmals.

i just want you to stop stuffing cute little fluffy animals into your colon

Originally posted by PVS
i just want you to stop stuffing cute little fluffy animals into your colon

Why?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why?

why not?

Originally posted by PVS
why not?

Because I happen to like it?

perhaps a blue whale would enjoy it if we stuffed you into its colon.

Originally posted by PVS
perhaps a blue whale would enjoy it if we stuffed you into its colon.

Yeah, he might. Your point? We are all humans. Why should we care what a blue whale wants if it actually harms one of us?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, he might. Your point? We are all humans. Why should we care what a blue whale wants if it actually harms one of us?

i care. and since i care, thats all that matters. same mentallity, right? now close your eyes and hold your breath *grabs giant shoe horn*

Originally posted by PVS
i care. and since i care, thats all that matters. same mentallity, right? now close your eyes and hold your breath *grabs giant shoe horn*

Yeah, totally good for you. Good thing me and some of my homo sapiens buddies decided that (since we are humans) we want the best for humans and we also decided that we could punish and stop people that try to stuff us into a blue whale's colon. Which to me is good.

You know what is also good to me? Protecting the environment to suit us (humans). I like that. Cause I am an egoistical bastard. The environment as such does not matter to me much.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Protecting the environment to suit us (humans).

protecting the many delicate balances of nature does suit us. im not one of those "dont litter so my back yard looks clean" environmentalists. besides, animals tend to utilise litter. im more concerned about over-purging of natural resources and damaging large ecosystems.
i guess if you're one of those "if its not a danger in my lifetime, it doesnt matter" kinda people (republicans) then fine.

Originally posted by PVS
protecting the many delicate balances of nature does suit us. im not one of those "dont litter so my back yard looks clean" environmentalists. besides, animals tend to utilise litter. im more concerned about over-purging of natural resources and damaging large ecosystems.
i guess if you're one of those "if its not a danger in my lifetime, it doesnt matter" kinda people (republicans) then fine.

Yeah, but that should be the main point. Not OMG, OMG, OMG whales are cute, OMG, OMG, OMG....that's bullshit, animals die every day.

I agree with you we need reasonable protection (for us) against environmental dangers. Bu it goes too far in some aspects now (the little pointless ones) and maybe not far enough on th bigger ones. We need to scientifically decide how we want our eco system and what we want to do for it. I don't see a problem with trying to master the earths eco system. We should just try not to **** ourselves.

As for the republican thing. **** you. You know very well that I am not like that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, totally good for you. Good thing me and some of my homo sapiens buddies decided that (since we are humans) we want the best for humans and we also decided that we could punish and stop people that try too stuff us into a blue whale's colon. Which to me is good.

You know what is also good to me? Protecting the environment to suit us (humans). I like that. Cause I am an egoistical bastard. The environment as such does not matter to me much.

Originally posted by Robtard


Good one. Maybe not tenfold, but good enough. You can go sleep tight now.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Good one. Maybe not tenfold, but good enough. You can go sleep tight now.

It's like sevenfold... I'll owe you three.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's like sevenfold... I'll owe you three.

Yeah, and I want them by friday, *****.

ultimately yes, its about not ****ing ourselves, but at the same time, to accomplish that, we must also preserve life, including cute little and fluffy life, which leaves us open to strawman bashing that all we're about is OMG OMG OMG whales are cute.

since mankind lacks the ability to comprehend the intricacies of such balance, its really not our place to determine a type of balance. maybe china would be better off if the panda died off. we dont know that. maybe they even damage their own ecosystem with all the bamboo they consume (of which btw they digest very poorly). so if its up to nature that they die then the hell with them. however it is not the choice of man to be the catalyst for such an extinction.

true balance with nature involves effecting it as little as possible, not trying to create our own version of balance.

Originally posted by Bardock42

As for the republican thing. **** you. You know very well that I am not like that.

that line wasnt aimed at you. im well aware that you're a nazi

Originally posted by PVS
ultimately yes, its about not ****ing ourselves, but at the same time, to accomplish that, we must also preserve life, including cute little and fluffy life, which leaves us open to strawman bashing that all we're about is OMG OMG OMG whales are cute.

since mankind lacks the ability to comprehend the intricacies of such balance, its really not our place to determine a type of balance. maybe china would be better off if the panda died off. we dont know that. maybe they even damage their own ecosystem with all the bamboo they consume (of which btw they digest very poorly). so if its up to nature that they die then the hell with them. however it is not the choice of man to be the catalyst for such an extinction.

true balance with nature involves effecting it as little as possible, not trying to create our own version of balance.

No, bullshit. We don't have to preserve every life form there is. Especially not in little zoos, because that does NOT ****ING MATTER to the environment.

Yeah, but the thing is, since we don't know whether it will be better or worse, why can't we just do what we think is better and is certainly better for us at the moment?

We are animals. Animals do affect nature. We are just as natural as anything else. Why do you assume that the current state of nature is how it is intended? What if we are supposed to **** it (assuming there might be a meaning)? Though if we aren't good thing that folks like you are around. I just go by myself and my fondness of my species. Though I can also accept if you are fond of the planet as it is now. We will see what comes (or actually we won't), but either way it is so totally of no matter, so why not relax a bit? If the Panda dies out, boo hoo, whatever. Maybe it will cause us to die out, but the earth will still exist. I mean, it is just a very weird argument. Why do we want to keep it the way it is now? Does that make any sense?

Originally posted by PVS
that line wasnt aimed at you. im well aware that you're a nazi

Well, thanks. I assume.

George Carlin - Save The Planet

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, bullshit. We don't have to preserve every life form there is. Especially not in little zoos, because that does NOT ****ING MATTER to the environment.

quite a knee jerk reaction. is it hormonal? i clearly stated that we should effect nature as little as possible and allow it to deliver its own verdicts on what is to be extinct. we dont have to preserve anything that is beyond the scope of what we kill/deplete. howwver when we effect an ecosystem to the point where life which would have thrived without us is endangered, yes it is our responsibility. sick of the fluffy animals? then lets talk about most if not all life in our oceans, which seems to be in immediate danger of being wiped out thanks to us. so **** it? **** you!!! i want sushi on my 80th birthday. real sushi, not that tofu crap thats supposed too taste like fish but actually tastes like something that came out my ass.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but the thing is, since we don't know whether it will be better or worse, why can't we just do what we think is better and is certainly better for us at the moment?

that is irresponsible. that obtuse rationallity can be used to avoid all accountability and responsibility relating to the environment, and in fact is the norm.

Originally posted by Bardock42
We are animals. Animals do affect nature. We are just as natural as anything else.

no we are not. thats a ridiculous statement. not even worth addressing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why do you assume that the current state of nature is how it is intended? What if we are supposed to **** it (assuming there might be a meaning)?

as i stated, before, perhaps then we should attempt to defy such a dismal destiny...you know....ultimately killing ourselves. leave doomsday destinies to the fundamentalist wackos. i'm of the state of mind that the rapture is not coming and most likely we'll die of starvation rather than be swept up by angels.


Originally posted by Bardock42
Though if we aren't good thing that folks like you are around. I just go by myself and my fondness of my species. Though I can also accept if you are fond of the planet as it is now. We will see what comes (or actually we won't), but either way it is so totally of no matter, so why not relax a bit? If the Panda dies out, boo hoo, whatever.

again, irresponsible, and can be applied on the grand scale in which it is applied in business and politics. so you're not one of them. doesnt matter since you justify their mindset of complete inaccountability. you enable them.


Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe it will cause us to die out, but the earth will still exist. I mean, it is just a very weird argument. Why do we want to keep it the way it is now? Does that make any sense?

the earth will exist. eventually nature will reach a new balance without us and 99% of all existing species of life....yeah id bet good money on it (especially since i'd never have to pay up). however what really matters is our own preservation. and if we cant keep from killing an entire species of animals which need nothing more than a secluded ecosystem and some bamboo to survive, then we couldnt conserve our way out of a paper bag...so to speak

Eh, I like dogs, dogs are cool.

How are we not natural dude?

All we make we get from the Earth. We are animals. We are just affecting the eco-system to a greater degree than others.

I said I agree we should preserve it for us until we can affect it in a way that suits us most. But just generally try to affect it as little is possible is stupid too. I like energy. I also like cars. I like Coke in plastic bottles. I like those advantages. And I don't think that it will destroy the eco system for everyone to come. And if it does, well maybe then people are better off not being born in the future anyways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And if it does, well maybe then people are better off not being born in the future anyways.


Yes, because of selfish and irresponsible choices our grandparents made back then and selfish and irresponsible choices we make today and will make in the future. If money could be made by saving the ecosystem of the Panda or any other endangered species for that matter, the same selfish pricks that are destroying it for profit would be preserving it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
George Carlin - Save The Planet

Carlin is so awesome.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, because of selfish and irresponsible choices our grandparents made back then and selfish and irresponsible choices we make today and will make in the future. If money could be made by saving the ecosystem of the Panda or any other endangered species for that matter, the same selfish pricks that are destroying it for profit would be preserving it.

Yeah, but maybe we will be hailed in the future for destroying the panda and kicking of the Golden Age of non-panda stuffy stuff which made their lives totally awesome. Pandas are really cute though. We should preserve their DNA. Just to be on the save side.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but maybe we will be hailed in the future for destroying the panda and kicking of the Golden Age of non-panda stuffy stuff which made their lives totally awesome. Pandas are really cute though. We should preserve their DNA. Just to be on the save side.

You're entirely missing what PVS is saying and the BIG picture in general.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're entirely missing what PVS is saying and the BIG picture in general.

Okay, explain it to me like I was a 5 year old.

Originally posted by Bardock42
George Carlin - Save The Planet

Carlin is one of my favorite comedians... But, if George Bush had said this speech, you'd be crying how greedy and selfish Bush is for it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Carlin is one of my favorite comedians... But, if George Bush had said this speech, you'd be crying how greedy and selfish Bush is for it.

No, I doubt it. Though Bush is greedy and selfish. I might npot have enjoyed it as much. Just as I wouldn't enjoy Bill Hicks routines as much if Hitler would perform them. But he has a point.

Originally posted by Robtard
Carlin is one of my favorite comedians... But, if George Bush had said this speech, you'd be crying how greedy and selfish Bush is for it.

Bush wouldn't be able to say it with the spunk and coherency of Carlin, so no, it wouldn't be as good.

Plus, you know, Carlin is a comedian, Bush is the President of the USA, different expectations.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, explain it to me like I was a 5 year old.

It isn't about saving the Panda because it is a cute looking animal. We as a race need to acknowledge that we effect the world more than any other living thing on the planet and in general, we destroy and throw nature way off balance more than it is designed too do. We have no right to do it though just because we are at the top of the food chain and future generations haven't been born yet.

Would you like it if someone told you owed 500,000 Euros in back taxes from before the time of your birth?

Originally posted by Robtard
It isn't about saving the Panda because it is a cute looking animal. We as a race need to acknowledge that we effect the world more than any other living thing on the planet and in general, we destroy and throw nature way off balance more than it is designed too do. We have no right to do it though just because we are at the top of the food chain and future generations haven't been born yet.

Would you like it if someone told you owed 500,000 Euros in back taxes from before the time of your birth?

I understood that. As is apparent in my responses.

Actually we have every right. We are here. We don't owe anything to anybody. We could blow the ****ing planet up and it wouldn't be wrong. We just choose to not do it for different reason. Foremost because we like to live. But also because we want our species to continue living. And we want the Planet to be like it is. Cause we like it that way. But it sure as hell isn't our duty to preserve it for our children.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I understood that. As is apparent in my responses.

Actually we have every right. We are here. We don't owe anything to anybody. We could blow the ****ing planet up and it wouldn't be wrong. We just choose to not do it for different reason. Foremost because we like to live. But also because we want our species to continue living. And we want the Planet to be like it is. Cause we like it that way. But it sure as hell isn't our duty to preserve it for our children.

Continuation of the species is just about the most basic instinct there is, so yes, it is our responsibility to preserve it for future generations. What you're saying is the weasel-move that is commonly seen today. 'Use it now, someone will pay for it later.' and that is B.S.

Originally posted by Robtard
Continuation of the species is just about the most basic instinct there is, so yes, it is our responsibility to preserve it for future generations. What you're saying is the weasel-move that is commonly seen today. 'Use it now, someone will pay for it later.' and that is B.S.

No, not our responsibility. It just isn't. We are free folks. Sorry, but "We only borrowed the earth from our children" is Bullshit.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, not our responsibility. It just isn't. We are free folks. Sorry, but "We only borrowed the earth from our children" is Bullshit.

Dude, if you can't even acknowledge basic instincts, it is impossible to debate with you. If it isn't the current generations responsibility to continue the species, then who's it is? The Panda? God?

"We only borrowed the earth from our children" Not sure what you mean here, I did not say or imply this as it makes no sense. What I am saying is we have no right to lay irresponsible responsibilites on future generations.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, if you can't even acknowledge basic instincts, it is impossible to debate with you. If it isn't the current generations responsibility to continue the species, then who's it is? The Panda? God?

"We only borrowed the earth from our children" Not sure what you mean here, I did not say or imply this as it makes no sense. What I am saying is we have no right to lay irresponsible responsibilites on future generations.

I can acknowledge them. We are not bound by them though. We can go against them without being wrong.

That's what tree hugging idiots say. Because they are tree hugging idiots. They mean what you mean though. That we have a duty to keep the Earth inhabitable for future generations.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can acknowledge them. We are not bound by them though. We can go against them without being wrong.

That's what tree hugging idiots say. Because they are tree hugging idiots. They mean what you mean though. That we have a duty to keep the Earth inhabitable for future generations.


If you do not want to have children yourself, that is fine.

The Earth will be inhabitable for future generations regardless (to an extent), but they will have to pay for our greed and laziness if they want the same level of comfort we see today. Like I said, would you be happy and think it alright if you owed 500,000 Euros in back taxes from before you were born? I'm going to guess and say "No", and that is why 'we' doing it too future generations is B.S. It has nothing to do with being a "tree hugging idiot" as tree hugging idiots generally care for the enviroment for the enviroments sake, not for the sake of people.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you do not want to have children yourself, that is fine.

The Earth will be inhabitable for future generations regardless (to an extent), but they will have to pay for our greed and laziness if they want the same level of comfort we see today. Like I said, would you be happy and think it alright if you owed 500,000 Euros in back taxes from before you were born? I'm going to guess and say "No", and that is why 'we' doing it too future generations is B.S. It has nothing to do with being a "tree hugging idiot" as tree hugging idiots generally care for the enviroment for the enviroments sake, not for the sake of people.

What an idiotic argument. There won't be any future generations without us. If they don't like the earth the way it is when they get it, tough luck (objectively speaking).

Subjectively. And according to my own moral code I agree with you. We should preserve it for our species because we like our species (not because we have to, though I see what a useful tool guilt is to make things happen the way one wants them to be...I am really happy you and PVS go that way, so I don't have to). But I also think we should find a way to balance our own need for luxury and the intactness of the eco system.- Maybe I am a bit selfish. But why should only future generations be allowed to be selfish. I live only now.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What an idiotic argument. There won't be any future generations without us. If they don't like the earth the way it is when they get it, tough luck (objectively speaking).

Subjectively. And according to my own moral code I agree with you. We should preserve it for our species because we like our species (not because we have to, though I see what a useful tool guilt is to make things happen the way one wants them to be...I am really happy you and PVS go that way, so I don't have to). But I also think we should find a way to balance our own need for luxury and the intactness of the eco system.- Maybe I am a bit selfish. But why should only future generations be allowed to be selfish. I live only now.

WTF? You make no sense. First you say it is an idiotic statement and screw the future generations because they get what they get, "tough luck"(that is an extremely selfish way of thinking btw). Then you agree with me... Which is it... Do what we want now because we won't have to pay for it by the time it goes bad or we should have some responsibility and foresight for the future?

I agree with having luxuries and balancing with nature, that is the way it should be and it could be. The problem though is greed, most people/corporations who are causing the worlds largest poisonings like to keep their profit margin as high as possible. So instead of giving you a Coca-Cola in a convenient plastic bottle in more expensive (too them) fashion that doesn't poison something, they take the cheapest route which coincides with the most pollution causing method of delivering you this luxury.

"I live only now"... Curious, do you plan on ever having children?

Originally posted by Robtard
WTF? You make no sense. First you say it is an idiotic statement and screw the future generations because they get what they get, "tough luck"(that is an extremely selfish way of thinking btw). Then you agree with me... Which is it... Do what we want now because we won't have to pay for it by the time it goes bad or we should have some responsibility and foresight for the future?

I agree with having luxuries and balancing with nature, that is the way it should be and it could be. The problem though is greed, most people/corporations who are causing the worlds largest poisonings like to keep their profit margin as high as possible. So instead of giving you a Coca-Cola in a convenient plastic bottle in more expensive (too them) fashion that doesn't poison something, they take the cheapest route which coincides with the most pollution causing method of delivering you this luxury.

"I live only now"... Curious, do you plan on ever having children?

No, no, see the whole point throughout this argument is that you, PVS and I AGREE. Just that I do not agree with the words you use.

Though what Bottles would you want Coca Cola to be in?

And is there any point ever having children ?
Oh, I don't know
All I do know is we're Here and it's Now

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, no, see the whole point throughout this argument is that you, PVS and I AGREE. Just that I do not agree with the words you use.

Though what Bottles would you want Coca Cola to be in?

Okay... Agree with my point but disagree with my words, I do not understand that, but it works.

Plastic is fine, the methods of making the plastic are not. There is a plastic out now that is biodegradable, or course this could be used, but it is more expensive too make. That was just an example btw.

To me yes, being a father is by far one one the most pleasurable experiences and I like the thought that a part of me will go on after I die.

And why are we Here and Now?

its in our nature, human nature that is, to destroy things. we kill elephants for ivory, we kill seals for their skins, exotic hunters are killing beautiful animals left and right just to fill space in their trophy room.
doesnt matter what we do, its never gonna end.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its in our nature, human nature that is, to destroy things. we kill elephants for ivory, we kill seals for their skins, exotic hunters are killing beautiful animals left and right just to fill space in their trophy room.
doesnt matter what we do, its never gonna end.


...Until the aliens come. Then were screwed but until then...

not really. didnt you see independence day?

bardock, please snap out of philosophy mode. fine, you have no duty, no responsibility, no right, because these are man made concepts and thus do not tangibly exist. TADAAAAAA!!!!!

really, its a stonewall and its just silly.
can we just get past this "what is real" crap or is that going to be the rest of the thread? i can see that you agree, but the philosophy tangent makes me want to light your hair on fire and punch your scrotum

millions of dollars? wow. these millions of dollars could be used to feed and clothe homeless people.

dodoburgers!!!

Originally posted by PVS
what if the dodo tastes good? they could be farmed.

Well, yeah, but aren't we totally screwing with nature, by trying to bring it back?

Originally posted by PVS
bardock, please snap out of philosophy mode. fine, you have no duty, no responsibility, no right, because these are man made concepts and thus do not tangibly exist. TADAAAAAA!!!!!

really, its a stonewall and its just silly.
can we just get past this "what is real" crap or is that going to be the rest of the thread? i can see that you agree, but the philosophy tangent makes me want to light your hair on fire and punch your scrotum

Alright, alright, no more philosophy. So, yes, we should keep the planet safe and clean and livable so our species will have the chance to become even more awesomer than we already are.

Oh by the way the "And is there any point ever having children ?
Oh, I don't know
All I do know is we're Here and it's Now", were just lyrics from a rather good song, to anser your question truthfully, yes, I plan on having children if I should find a woman that is crazy (or stupid) enough to let me have my way with her.

Besides people who actually care & realise what is happening & are walking around with their eyes open, no one else will bother. The governement should make laws about this.

Stuff like no killing animals like we have been doing, unless for food I suppose. Everyone should have a fitted electric metre in their homes that hold so much power & water. You can only use what you're given. If you run out, that's your problem. You shouldn't use so much!

I've heard that now that the more money we pay them, the more lazy that've become anyway. I just want to go around there & slap the lot of them. I do wish I could speak for the planet, I'd be great, along with my mum. We both just feel so helpless because we are only two people. Everyone else are just selfish bastards who just don't care about anything other than themselves.

I even said to my mum yesterday, "Our hearts are just too big & if could actually grow bigger they'd be too big to even fit inside us, we care so much & no one else does."
Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow, honey, easy, we are a natural cause. There is nothing unnatural about us.
We are, we're destroying the planet & destroyed habitats of everything living thing; plants, animals & us. I have to say us really because people don't believe that a human is an animal, but actually we are, so it should be plants & 'animals', but I have to make it clear.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You're familiar with survival of the fittest, right? Well it also applies to humans. Homo sapiens is just another animal species, and like many other animals, Homo sapiens kills. It doesn't matter in he kills because he has to eat or just for fun, species will go extinct. Hell, even cats kill for pleasure; namely jaguars and leopards.

All species will go extinct regardless of the cause. The only thing that conservationist are doing/accomplishing, is post-poning a natural eventual] process.



It's true, ey. The panda is about as doomed as a snowman in Las Vegas.

In fact, they'll probably go extinct in your lifetime.
Yeah, but they don't kill loads & loads like people do, we're always killing something. We kill differently to them too. They know only natural but we know the knowledge to know natrual from non-natrual, so we kill the no-natrual way. We don't have to, we just do. They don't have to but it's natrual to them that they do.

We also do unatrual things such as using electricity & harming the eco system. Other animals do not do this, they just live in the wild, live in the wild & have fun in the wild. People orginally lived like that, unti ltimes changed of course. We build houses, invent gadges, tv shows, lighting, kitchen accessorys & more.

When they have done playing, they eat it. They haven't got time to just kill & play, they have to eat as much as possible to suvive because sometime they may not be able to get a meal.

I sure hope Pandas do not go, they're lovely creatures, I love them.
Originally posted by PVS
you know, those that assume that people who care about conservation of nature automatically do so because they dont want to see cute little fluffy animals killed.


yeah, kill a bunny for me, i never tried rabbit. just dont extinct them or kill one just to rip off its pelt and leave its quivering remains to rot.
That reminds me of something else. Sharks' fins are cut off for soup then just thrown back into the sea & left to drown. That's just plain sick!
Originally posted by Bardock42
How are we not natural dude?

All we make we get from the Earth. We are animals. We are just affecting the eco-system to a greater degree than others.

I said I agree we should preserve it for us until we can affect it in a way that suits us most. But just generally try to affect it as little is possible is stupid too. I like energy. I also like cars. I like Coke in plastic bottles. I like those advantages. And I don't think that it will destroy the eco system for everyone to come. And if it does, well maybe then people are better off not being born in the future anyways.
We were natrual, but as time went on, more & more people left the natrual behind them & went unatrual. Of course we're harming the planrt, hello!!! The Earth is warming up unarually & will die out at some point unless we can us solar power, wind & water to power every single thing, then it's safe.

The waether is becoming more extreme, the UK now gets more strong winds than 50 years ago, it was unheard of! Summers are becoming hotter & winters colder. We had about 37.5 degrees this summer & my God was it hot or what! The sea is rising due to the heat & many countries will be underwater. The fact is, within the next 100 years to sea level will rise about 80 cm. That will cover beaches all over the UK such as Skegness, Brighton & Blackpool. Those beaches won't exist. The next 200 years, holiday places such as those will start to flood. Within 300 years they could be totally underwater. This is caused by one animal only, humans!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its in our nature, human nature that is, to destroy things. we kill elephants for ivory, we kill seals for their skins, exotic hunters are killing beautiful animals left and right just to fill space in their trophy room.
doesnt matter what we do, its never gonna end.
But it's not natrual is it. We don't need ivory, skins & trophies & Who the bloody hell does anyway!? pissed We always killing for stuff like that. Elephants for tusks, seals, foxes, squirals, rabbits, tigers, wolves, minks, raccoons, beavers & many more for fur. Sheep for sheep skin rugs, cows for leather, snakes & crocodiles for boots, bags & belts (the three bad B's I say!) This is ohly a few but many more animals are killed for these purposes other than for food, fun, accidental but not released back to safety & just plain cruelty & stupidity!

There's also talk about moving to Mars & quite frankly, I see no point. I mean sure, generations will survive for longer, but at the end of the day, we'll only destroy that planet too, then have no where to go. If everyone did move to Mars, we'd have to change totally. Also, the question "What we're going to do when the oil runs out?" doesn't cross many people's minds does it! It's going to go in about 40 years & we'll still be here for God's sake!

Wow, since we all now know that I am an eco-terrorist like you folks as well, could we still cut the bullshit with "we aren't natural", cause, we are. All we do, think, feel and are is natural. That we change our surroundings is not unnatural. We are a part of nature. One that might destroy it in the way that we know it, which would suck for us. But plastic, skyscrapers, petrol, coca cola, uranium and everything else on this planet is natural. We could at least use correct terminology.

I like dolphins. doped

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I like dolphins. doped

They do taste pretty good.

Originally posted by Bardock42
They do taste pretty good. You'r..you're a monster. weep

I've eaten Kangaroo. Tastes like beef.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You'r..you're a monster. weep

I've eaten Kangaroo. Tastes like beef.

I never actually ate dolphin. I jsut assumed it tastes like whale. Which tastes delicious. I want to eat kangaroo though. Hmm, there are lots of animals I'd like to try. I wonder if elephant, lion and tiger taste good.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I never actually ate dolphin. I jsut assumed it tastes like whale. Which tastes delicious. I want to eat kangaroo though. Hmm, there are lots of animals I'd like to try. I wonder if elephant, lion and tiger taste good. Elephant seems like it would be chewy. Why don't you try eating cat, then work your way up to lion.

alligator is good

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Elephant seems like it would be chewy. Why don't you try eating cat, then work your way up to lion.

Cause, my parents would be really ****ing upset if I did. Some people might even think I am sick. Or twisted. Or tainted. Or ungodly.

Originally posted by PVS
alligator is good

Where can you get good alligator?

Originally posted by PVS
alligator is good Alligator seems like it would be chewy too.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Alligator seems like it would be chewy too.

Which is why people try. To make sure if it is or not. Does knowledge mean nothing to you, you yahoo?

tastes like chicken...seriously, im not being cute. it really does

Originally posted by PVS
tastes like chicken...seriously, im not being cute. it really does

Aww, he's being cute.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Which is why people try. To make sure if it is or not. Does knowledge mean nothing to you, you yahoo? No, I'll stick with kangaroo, thanks.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No, I'll stick with kangaroo, thanks.

Bigot.

i only had tailmeat, which is like chicken darkmeat but a bit chewy and more salty...kinda greasy too

Originally posted by Bardock42
Bigot. Nazi necropedophile.

Originally posted by PVS
i only had tailmeat, which is like chicken darkmeat but a bit chewy and more salty...kinda greasy too

Wait, so you actually ate alligator? That's ****ing sick, dude. We are jsut making some jokes here and you actually .... oh god, I think I'm gonna be sick.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nazi necropedophile.

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.


She was alive and jewish when I left.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wait, so you actually ate alligator? That's ****ing sick, dude. We are jsut making some jokes here and you actually .... oh god, I think I'm gonna be sick.
sometimes a man needs to reaffirm his place on the food chain

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wait, so you actually ate alligator? That's ****ing sick, dude. We are jsut making some jokes here and you actually .... oh god, I think I'm gonna be sick. I actually ate kangaroo. They were giving out free samples at a supermarket.

Originally posted by PVS
sometimes a man needs to reaffirm his place on the food chain

No..just...no. We know we have the power. To actually use it is immoral, disgusting and inacceptable (at the same time).

ostrich meat is supposed to be delicious

oh and f.y.i. the alligators are farmed

Originally posted by PVS
ostrich meat is supposed to be delicious

They sold that in supermarkets when everyone was scared of mad cow disease. I actually think I ate it. Not sure if they do anymore.

Originally posted by PVS
oh and f.y.i. the alligators are farmed An ostrich omelette sounds really appetising right now.

Originally posted by PVS
oh and f.y.i. the alligators are farmed

I see, so they are your new slaves, eh? Just that you eat them? Sick, I say. SICK.

i have had alligator tenders before. tastes like chicken.

Originally posted by PVS
ostrich meat is supposed to be delicious
ostrich meat is OK, its kinda like beef... but differentrolleyes1
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i have had alligator tenders before. tastes like chicken.
never had alligator, you have made me curious!

try it, its not bad. i have had a shark steak too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
try it, its not bad. i have had a shark steak too.

whats that like?
i wonder if they sell alligator meat in my supermarket? i think i saw it once...

alligator is mostly a cajun delicacy. i had it one year at mardi gras.

the shark steak wasnt all that good. i didnt care much for it.

the weirdest animal i ever ate was ostrich... maybe horse steak too?
but eating horse meat isn't that weird over here...

but i am gonna try some alligator meat! just have to know how to prepare it...

no idea.

when i buy it I'll google for a recipe...

you do that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow, since we all now know that I am an eco-terrorist like you folks as well, could we still cut the bullshit with "we aren't natural", cause, we are. All we do, think, feel and are is natural. That we change our surroundings is not unnatural. We are a part of nature. One that might destroy it in the way that we know it, which would suck for us. But plastic, skyscrapers, petrol, coca cola, uranium and everything else on this planet is natural. We could at least use correct terminology.
We have turned things like TVs and houses using what 'natural' stuff we got, everything on this planet is natural, but what we turn it into is not 'natural', if you know what I mean...

We use electricity & fires & all that, which heats up the planet 'unatrually'. See what I mean now? The materials we use are natural but then turned into something that is harmful to the planet.

All this talk about eating everything from alligators to sharks...why? We aren't even suppose to eat those kind of animals. Stick to pigs, chickens, lambs & cows. Just not satisfied with what you've got now!? Well you should, so stop being greedy! pissed

Besides, this is off topic.