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self explanitory.

Depends on the drug and the does.

Drugs as in perscription from youre doctor would not be bad.

Ermm yeah, what kind of stupid question is that? Long term use or overdose or mixing will **** you up, plain and simple. They arent 'good' for you in any way, might give you a temporary buzz but nothing that will give you more gain than not using them in the first place.

Depends on the drug and the dose.

What's with everyone getting the Slayer avi's and sig's? I sincerely hope that everyone's actually listened to the band before putting these up, especially in the '80's and '90's.

Not only can some drugs kill you if you don't take the proper dosage, it costs huge amounts of money to buy the drugs. Many children live in poverty because of drugs.

Originally posted by botankus
What's with everyone getting the Slayer avi's and sig's? I sincerely hope that everyone's actually listened to the band before putting these up, especially in the '80's and '90's.

I mostly lacked the capabilities to listen to Slayer throughout the 80's. Sorry.

yes, drugs are bad...mkay?

im sick of the drug topic. always ends up with some tool trying to
tell me that alcohol is not a dangerous and highly addictive drug.
then we get into the circular argument:

its a drug because its illegal
its illegal because its a drug


**** that. im out *leaves*

Drugs are bad for you actually. So is life; it'll only end up making you dead. Shit, maybe we should quit while we're ahead then? Hooshiegosh.

Originally posted by PVS
yes, drugs are bad...mkay?

im sick of the drug topic. always ends up with some tool trying to
tell me that alcohol is not a dangerous and highly addictive drug.
then we get into the circular argument:

its a drug because its illegal
its illegal because its a drug


**** that. im out *leaves*

At the end there you should have said *makes like a tree* because that would also mean 'leaves', but just in a different way.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
At the end there you should have said *makes like a tree* because that would also mean 'leaves', but just in a different way.

Drugs are bad for you actually.

As you can see on this perfect example of an extreme drug user.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As you can see on this perfect example of an extreme drug user.

Read the new version: Longer AND funnier. I made-up a word: "hooshiegosh". Means 'jawangagoolie', only it's spelt different.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As you can see on this perfect example of an extreme drug user.

hysterical Good stuff, Bardock

Originally posted by Roulette
hysterical Good stuff, Bardock

Let me explain. It wasn't actually that funny, she just has the hots for me. Nothing to see here. You can all go on with your lives now.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Let me explain. It wasn't actually that funny, she just has the hots for me. Nothing to see here. You can all go on with your lives now.

Well of course that's why I laughed petpet haha.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Let me explain. It wasn't actually that funny, she just has the hots for me. Nothing to see here. You can all go on with your lives now.

HAHA bardock you're so funny. do me

Originally posted by PVS
HAHA bardock you're so funny. do me

I seriously consider it. You are in my Top 10 of folks I'd do on KMC for sure.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Depends on the drug and the does.

Originally posted by KILLA420
self explanitory.

Are you one of those people who is confused about your secret EMO identity, so you are making threads about bashing homosexuals?
If so, communism is not the answer to your problem.

communism.....drugs....homosexuality......is there a connection i'm missing here?

Haha, she's making a lol as to the lack of self-explanatoriness of the thread. I like it.

the heavier drugs, like cocaine and heroin are terrible for you. so is X.

This topic is poop, as such I poop on it and in it.

shit

watch out. if bardock42 sees that post he will bash you. he does that, you see.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
watch out. if bardock42 sees that post he will bash you. he does that, you see.

Yes, he is known for bashing people. Well known, too. And good at it.

at least we agree on that. pretty mindless of him, or her.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
at least we agree on that. pretty mindless of him, or her.

You are childish, my friend. Your contributions intended to be in serious nature are shallow and ignorant. Why do you not just stick to the OTF, where it is not as apparent.

now i am childish? i guess i will always be childish to someone as wise as you. after all, it seems that your word is law.
OTF, GDF, it doesnt matter. i go where i want to here. its not up to you to tell me where i cant go.
and dont call me your friend. one defines oneself by who they associate with, and i am not going to tarnish my name by being your friend.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
now i am childish? i guess i will always be childish to someone as wise as you. after all, it seems that your word is law.
OTF, GDF, it doesnt matter. i go where i want to here. its not up to you to tell me where i cant go.
and dont call me your friend. one defines oneself by who they associate with, and i am not going to tarnish my name by being your friend.

My word is law? Where did you get that from? You severely lack reading comprehension. Of course you can go where you please, I am just suggesting to you where you might fit better. As for the friend thing, well, whatever.
Lets return to the topic.

Of course there are drugs that are really bad for you. But it depends on the drug you use and the amount you take in. I do not know what the point of this thread is as that is a well known fact. Maybe he wanted to discuss if medical drugs are indeed more harmful than they do good. In that case I would say no. They are good for you usually, though apparently not in a way that school medicine would like us to believe.

marijuana is not near as bad for you. my mom loves her weed. its not a bad thing, she just likes to kick back and relax.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
marijuana is not near as bad for you. my mom loves her weed. its not a bad thing, she just likes to kick back and relax.

This is true. Apparently alcohol is way worse than Marijuana. Cigarettes as well. Which of course makes one wonder as to why some drugs are legal and others aren't.

marijuana, in my unprofessional opinion, should not be illegal. it's no worse for you than cigs are. i have heard that it is illegal cuz the US has no way of taxing it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
marijuana, in my unprofessional opinion, should not be illegal. it's no worse for you than cigs are. i have heard that it is illegal cuz the US has no way of taxing it.

That sounds like a weird reason. Obviously they could tax it like any other product of they made it legal. It would also take care of other social problems.

its just what someone told me once. i didnt say there was any validity to it. there has got to be some reason why it is illegal. its not that harsh of a drug.

oh this is a close poll

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its just what someone told me once. i didnt say there was any validity to it. there has got to be some reason why it is illegal. its not that harsh of a drug.

Because your (and my) government suck major ass, maybe?

some people actually have it prescribed as medication. tha alone speaks in volumes that it is not a harsh drug.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
some people actually have it prescribed as medication. tha alone speaks in volumes that it is not a harsh drug.

You should watch Penn and Teller: Bullshit - War on Drugs. Obviously quite biased, but very good and true points.

i say if someone wants to smoke weed, let them. they arent hurting anyone but themselves.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i say if someone wants to smoke weed, let them. they arent hurting anyone but themselves.

Yes, though I would say the same for cocaine, LSD, heroin, extacy, crack, angel dust, etc.

um....ok, thats your opinion. those are bad. let me tell you about drugs, k? drugs are bad, mmmk? happyroll...they make your eyes do this.
sorry, i watched south park last night.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
um....ok, thats your opinion. those are bad. let me tell you about drugs, k? drugs are bad, mmmk? happyroll...they make your eyes do this.
sorry, i watched south park last night.

Yeah, they are bad. For yourself. None of our business, right? Just as with Marijuana, Alcohol and Nicotine.

ive took loads of LSD and E in my time...ive been known to eat cannabis too aint done either for a while n im.............OK!
If you know what you are doing then recreational drugs at the weekend are ok if your ok with it yourself.
If your a dirty smackhead mugging grannies for a fix then thats not the same.

I loved some of my lsd trips....i once saw Doc and the arabs from Back To The Future at my local self service garage...i didnt really but i thought i did....that was funny.
Watching THE EVIL DEAD on my own with surround speakers though that wasnt so good.

Some more so than others.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i say if someone wants to smoke weed, let them. they arent hurting anyone but themselves. Well you would say that, considering you just admitted your Mum's a pothead...

Originally posted by vintageSW77
ive took loads of LSD and E in my time...ive been known to eat cannabis too aint done either for a while n im.............OK! Some people are positively dripping with common sense in this thread...

Originally posted by Super Guy
Well you would say that, considering you just admitted your Mum's a pothead...
thats what she is. i am not gonna deny it.

Originally posted by vintageSW77
ive took loads of LSD and E in my time...ive been known to eat cannabis too aint done either for a while n im.............OK!

what are you? the posterboy for "just say no"?

i tuk drugz and aint nuttin wrung wit mee

I take drugs...

you ingest them or you transport them?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Depends on the drug and the does.
illegal drugs, like pcp, acid, marajuana, psycilobin (shrooms)
Originally posted by Mišt
Ermm yeah, what kind of stupid question is that? Long term use or overdose or mixing will **** you up, plain and simple. They arent 'good' for you in any way, might give you a temporary buzz but nothing that will give you more gain than not using them in the first place.
you obviously are straight-edge mad
Originally posted by botankus
What's with everyone getting the Slayer avi's and sig's? I sincerely hope that everyone's actually listened to the band before putting these up, especially in the '80's and '90's.
slayer kicks mother****in ass dude!!!
(megadeth is pretty cool too, how about In flames?)
band
Originally posted by Council#13
Not only can some drugs kill you if you don't take the proper dosage, it costs huge amounts of money to buy the drugs. Many children live in poverty because of drugs.
another straight edge?!? fear
Originally posted by Bardock42
I mostly lacked the capabilities to listen to Slayer throughout the 80's. Sorry.
dude, you missed out
Originally posted by PVS
yes, drugs are bad...mkay?

im sick of the drug topic. always ends up with some tool trying to
tell me that alcohol is not a dangerous and highly addictive drug.
then we get into the circular argument:

its a drug because its illegal
its illegal because its a drug


**** that. im out *leaves*
you obviously had a bad day
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Are you one of those people who is confused about your secret EMO identity, so you are making threads about bashing homosexuals?
If so, communism is not the answer to your problem.
1) i do not like homosexuals
2) what the hell did that have to do with this thread?
3) i live in america baby--no communism here
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
communism.....drugs....homosexuality......is there a connection i'm missing here?
i think i missed it too

Originally posted by vintageSW77
ive took loads of LSD and E in my time...ive been known to eat cannabis too aint done either for a while n im.............OK!
If you know what you are doing then recreational drugs at the weekend are ok if your ok with it yourself.
If your a dirty smackhead mugging grannies for a fix then thats not the same.

I loved some of my lsd trips....i once saw Doc and the arabs from Back To The Future at my local self service garage...i didnt really but i thought i did....that was funny.
Watching THE EVIL DEAD on my own with surround speakers though that wasnt so good.
i wont touch E
acid rocks, along with pot

Originally posted by PVS
always ends up with some tool trying to
tell me that alcohol is not a dangerous and highly addictive drug.


Damn, I was about to argue this with you too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
marijuana is not near as bad for you. my mom loves her weed. its not a bad thing, she just likes to kick back and relax.

Marijuana used to be legal in the US. Prohibition made both alcohol and pot illegal. They just didn't bring back pot.

As for my opinion on the subject, I'm not going to say that drugs are good for you but some of them aren't necessarily bad. I smoke ganja on a regular basis and I'm doing fine. You CANNOT overdose on marijuana. You CANNOT overdose on 'shrooms (I did, however, have a seizure once ). You WILL NOT be driven to madness the first time you smoke.

I've done 'shrooms a few times and I smoke weed. I took some coke once but I didn't really like it so I haven't done it again. I haven't done anything else but have been told by people whom I have a great deal of trust in that acid and ecstasy are fun.

Pretty much drugs come down to one thing, moderation. Just like everything else in life, if you take too much of it, it can be bad for you

i had acid once. i had a baaaaaaaddddd trip. i was freaking out.

Yea, it happens. I had the seizure because I was already having a bad trip and trying really hard to change the mood of the trip. I went outside to watch the sun rise but it was too cold. I didn't say anything because my friends who I was tripping with wanted to watch too. So, I had a seizure for the first time in my life. It was really weird but after that I was tripping BALLS!

Bad trips can have a lasting emotional effect of people but most don't cause physical damage. Its a chance you take. My advice if you're going to trip is to find out as much as you can about it. Ask friends you trust you have tripped before, look up things on the internet, just get informed on what you are doing. When you know what you're doing you'll be more calm about it when you actually do it and you won't have the problem of freaking out once it starts. Most bad trips are simply people getting caught off guard by the psychedelic experience and getting scared by it.

And if you have a bad trip just remember, it'll be over in a couple hours.

Not Weed

Originally posted by Marxman
Yea, it happens. I had the seizure because I was already having a bad trip and trying really hard to change the mood of the trip. I went outside to watch the sun rise but it was too cold. I didn't say anything because my friends who I was tripping with wanted to watch too. So, I had a seizure for the first time in my life. It was really weird but after that I was tripping BALLS!

Bad trips can have a lasting emotional effect of people but most don't cause physical damage. Its a chance you take. My advice if you're going to trip is to find out as much as you can about it. Ask friends you trust you have tripped before, look up things on the internet, just get informed on what you are doing. When you know what you're doing you'll be more calm about it when you actually do it and you won't have the problem of freaking out once it starts. Most bad trips are simply people getting caught off guard by the psychedelic experience and getting scared by it.

And if you have a bad trip just remember, it'll be over in a couple hours.
well, as i lay there tripping an anti drug commercial came on. remember the one with the black guy who is saying "dont tell your kids about drugs, that leaves them to me."? well, as he is walking along, his features start changing into that of a cobra. man, i freaked the fukk out!!!!!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i had acid once. i had a baaaaaaaddddd trip. i was freaking out.

did you have delusions that everyone was personally attacking and insulting you?

Originally posted by KILLA420
you obviously are straight-edge mad


Haha...oh wait, sorry I thought there was an argument in there where you discussed how drugs werent bad for you and came up with a good point that nobody could counterargue against....my bad.

some drugs are not bad for you in moderation.

Overall, yes.

Except for the Mary Jew Auna.

I'd say "don't do them 'cause going to prison sucks."

well, the only problems with weed is that it does kill brain cells, if somebody would ever care about that, and the withdrawels can be hard to handle if someone ever chooses to quit

Originally posted by PVS
did you have delusions that everyone was personally attacking and insulting you?
i think so. i also had phantoms flying at me from all corners.

Originally posted by .pace Opera:.
well, the only problems with weed is that it does kill brain cells, if somebody would ever care about that, and the withdrawels can be hard to handle if someone ever chooses to quit

false facts are a disservice to us all.
it has never been proven to kill brain cells.

Originally posted by PVS
it has never been proven to kill brain cells.

Does it REALLY matter, everyday we kill thousands of brain cells just by living. Then they just work new neural pathways to bridge the gap between "dead intersections."

This is planet earth pick your poison, I just hate people that do just that and ***** about it.

Originally posted by Soleran
Does it REALLY matter

yes it does matter, since it probably doesnt kill brain cells. i see what your saying, the triviality of it, but still it matters. parroted disinformation like "it kills braincells" or "its a gateway drug that will posess people to shoot up heroin" are the wind in the sails of idiots who want to keep this plant categorised with coke, heroin, and meth as a deadly drug. it matters

Dude just about everything kills brain cells, pure oxygen kills brain cells, not enough oxygen kills brain cells. I feel fairly certain that it very well could have a negative affect on brain cells, alcohol kills brain cells as well and its legal.

I don't know, defending a drug based on its ability to kill or not kill brain cells is kind of worthless. This drug in my opinion doesn't belong in the same category as some of the more highly addictive and dangerous drugs ie meth, coke etc.

PVS you should start a marijuana kmc Sunday school!

Originally posted by PVS
what are you? the posterboy for "just say no"?

i tuk drugz and aint nuttin wrung wit mee

Yeah and i took that poster dipped it in LSD and necked the lot

Originally posted by Soleran
Dude just about everything kills brain cells, pure oxygen kills brain cells, not enough oxygen kills brain cells. I feel fairly certain that it very well could have a negative affect on brain cells, alcohol kills brain cells as well and its legal.

fact is not based on what you feel, fact is simply what is. and it has never been proven, despite an immeasurable amount of federal dollars dumped into research hoping to prove otherwise. its not like its just some theory yet to be explored. for the past 80+ years the u.s. government has had a raging hardon over trying to prove marijuana dangerous, and after all that all they can determine is that it temporarily decreases memory and is moderately addictive for some...in other words you may be really cranky for a while if you're a pothead on the wagon.

with that said, the fact stands that it has never been proven to kill brain cells. that ends that part of the discussion for anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together

Originally posted by Soleran
I don't know, defending a drug based on its ability to kill or not kill brain cells is kind of worthless.

i wasnt using such knowledge to defend a drug. i was using this knowledge to thwart a lie, and i am just in doing so.

you can assess whatever value on such information as you please. however pointing out false facts in such a debate it essential to move it into the realm of fact as opposed to wives tales and fiction. if you feel thats trivial then by extension this whole topic is trivial and maybe you should debate elsewhere if thats the case.


Originally posted by Soleran
PVS you should start a marijuana kmc Sunday school!

no, just a "research before you parrot" sunday school. the rest should just work itself out, right?

Originally posted by Super Guy
Some people are positively dripping with common sense in this thread...


Look my penis is in full working order and my brain is performing as its supposed to
I enjoyed my time with LSD and E
Its over but i had some good ****ing fun on acid

If only movies looked as good without the aid of hallucegenics.

Originally posted by KILLA420
illegal drugs, like pcp, acid, marajuana, psycilobin (shrooms)

you obviously are straight-edge mad

slayer kicks mother****in ass dude!!!
(megadeth is pretty cool too, how about In flames?)
band

another straight edge?!? fear

dude, you missed out

you obviously had a bad day

1) i do not like homosexuals
2) what the hell did that have to do with this thread?
3) i live in america baby--no communism here

i think i missed it too

I think you missed the point of my post.

Good drugs are hard to find, and only responsible drug users will take good drugs at the right time. I think my days of drug usage are over. Like vacations, they were good at the time, but nowadays I don't find drugs to be of any significance to my life, at least the illegal ones anyway.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Like vacations, they were good at the time
*overwhelming sympathy* you're married, aren't you?
*placating tone* you're right...vacations are overrated anyway

Originally posted by PVS
*overwhelming sympathy* you're married, aren't you?
*placating tone* you're right...vacations are overrated anyway

I chose my wording poorly. I still love and take vacations, but the drugs . . . not so much if at all. I was referring to the past.

the best times i had were on ecstasy.

i never tried that. the whole "dude, you just gotta make sure you drink alot of water or you could die" thing kinda turned me off

well, i never heard that. though i will admit i always had a beer in hand.

Smoking Pot gives you the AIDs. hmm

all drugs have different effect for each person. Some people with ADHD will drink tons of beer and it will make the focus and calm them down, and others will pass out from a shot or two.

This is how I feel about smoking weed. People who are smart smoke weed they will stay smart, but stupid people who smoke weed become even more stupid, but it doesn't matter how I feel about weed the facts are below if you care.

Effects on the Brain

Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.

In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement4.

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system5 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine6. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.


Effects on the Heart

One study has indicated that an abuser's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana7. The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana's effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.


Effects on the Lungs

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers8. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent abuse can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways9. Smoking marijuana possibly increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers10.

Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens9,11. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke12. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells13. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers8. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

and what are the figures of people who only smoke tobacco but not weed?
why wouldn't they include that?

Originally posted by PVS
and what are the figures of people who only smoke tobacco but not weed?
why wouldn't they include that?

Becuase this is the study of THC not Tobacco. The only reason they said smoke weed and not tobacco is becuase they had to be sure the effects were being caused by the weed not the tobacco. If they used people who smoke weed and tobacco the results wouldn't be conclusive becuase they wouldn't know if it was caused by the tobacco or the weed or both.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Becuase this is the study of THC not Tobacco. The only reason they said smoke weed and not tobacco is becuase they had to be sure the effects were being caused by the weed not the tobacco. If they used people who smoke weed and tobacco the results wouldn't be conclusive becuase they wouldn't know if it was caused by the tobacco or the weed or both.

no, it suggests rather bluntly that weed is more damaging to the lungs than tobacco based on that. since it is incomplete, being that there was no control (smokers of tobacco and not weed) i find it odd that they would include that and imply so much.

im not trying to debunk the study as a whole, but that part should have been left out as its baseless.

Originally posted by PVS
no, it suggests rather bluntly that weed is more damaging to the lungs than tobacco based on that. since it is incomplete, being that there was no control (smokers of tobacco and not weed) i find it odd that they would include that and imply so much.

im not trying to debunk the study as a whole, but that part should have been left out as its baseless.

It says it may be more damaging than tobacco not that it is more damaging. So the study is sound, also there are thousands studies that all back up the same common effects listed. Weed may be more harmless than all other drugs but it’s still harmful.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
It says it may be more damaging than tobacco not that it is more damaging.

yes, it suggested strongly, as i clearly said. and also, as i clearly said, that suggestion is baseless, lacking any control. fact.

Originally posted by PVS
yes, it suggested strongly, as i clearly said. and also, as i clearly said, that suggestion is baseless, lacking any control. fact.

easy there killa if you want to argue with every doctor, researcher, scientest in the world be my guest but be sure to give me a beer and a woman I'll give that wata bed a work out.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
easy there killa if you want to argue with every doctor, researcher, scientest in the world be my guest but be sure to give me a beer and a woman I'll give that wata bed a work out.

every doctor, researcher and scientist? yeah, that makes sense

i pointed out a factual flaw in one of their suggestions based on elementary deduction. you need team of professionals to tell you what a control in an experiment is? why dont you just....look it up?


do you also need the c.e.o. of charmin to help wipe your ass?

I don't know too many people who will pass up a cigarette after getting high. I question the validity of the experiment.

All drugs are bad for you, hence them being classed as drugs not food.

Originally posted by lord xyz
All drugs are bad for you, hence them being classed as drugs not food.

...a ridiculous claim obviously.

Originally posted by Bardock42
...a ridiculous claim obviously. That's the point.

Originally posted by PVS
every doctor, researcher and scientist? yeah, that makes sense

i pointed out a factual flaw in one of their suggestions based on elementary deduction. you need team of professionals to tell you what a control in an experiment is? why dont you just....look it up?


do you also need the c.e.o. of charmin to help wipe your ass?

Well its not a flaw because they just said it "maybe more harmful" so if you say that Aarron Carter Maybe more gay than his brother you really wouldn't need scientific evidence to support that because of the word MAYBE which suggest uncertainty now if I said Aaron Carter “is” more gay than his brother I would need eveidnce to back up that clam. Also the point of that segment of the article is that it is harmful to the lungs which it is.

Also I don't need the c.e.o of charmin to help wipe my ass, but with his help my ass would get much cleaner.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Well its not a flaw because they just said it "maybe more harmful" so if you say that Aarron Carter Maybe more gay than his brother you really wouldn't need scientific evidence to support that because of the word MAYBE which suggest uncertainty now if I said Aaron Carter “is” more gay than his brother I would need eveidnce to back up that clam. Also the point of that segment of the article is that it is harmful to the lungs which it is.

Also I don't need the c.e.o of charmin to help wipe my ass, but with his help my ass would get much cleaner.

Yeah, but they are ****heads if they say it because there is no evidence at all to even assume that Marijuana might be more harmful than tobacco. There is evidence to the contrary tough.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Well its not a flaw because they just said it "maybe more harmful" pointless filler] Also the point of that segment of the article is that it is harmful to the lungs which it is.

you're either being deliberately dense of you just cant grasp simple logic

a simple "pot also is harmful to the lungs similar to that of smoking cigarettes" would have been accurate. that would not imply that it is more or less dangerous...especially with a complete lack of evidence to support it besides circumstantial and illogical observations.

the only way to properly assess which is more dangerous would be to either

a- have two groups, one which smokes pot but no cigarettes, and one which smokes cigarettes but no pot

or

b-split a group of people which have tried neither cigarettes nor pot and have each smoke their designated drug.

either of these would produce substantial evidence

substantial evidence is NOT having one group which already takes smoke into their lungs routinely, and another which never takes smoke into their lungs, unless the study is simply "does smoking cause immediate harmful effects to people who have never smoked?". (not needed, i know, but that is the only purpose such data would be relevant for)

accept it, that portion of the experiment is flawed. i guess you could just seal your ears shut and smoke about a 1/2 ounce of weed until your sense of logic is adequately dulled, and then you can feel right by continuing to say its not flawed

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but they are ****heads if they say it because there is no evidence at all to even assume that Marijuana might be more harmful than tobacco. There is evidence to the contrary tough.

Yeah that may be so but they have nothing else to compare it too. They really can't say Smoking Weed maybe worse on your lungs then smoking potpourri because people don't smoke potpourri at least the last time I checked. If they are going to use something as a comparison the only thing they really have to compare it to is tobacco.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yeah that may be so but they have nothing else to compare it too. They really can't say Smoking Weed maybe worse on your lungs then smoking potpourri because people don't smoke potpourri at least the last time I checked. If they are going to use something as a comparison the only thing they really have to compare it to is tobacco.

Yeah, but to say maybe it is worse than smoking tobacco..they should just say "Smoking Marijuana is bad for your lungs... a little". Not imply that it could be worse than tobacco without even a bit of data supporting that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
"...a little".

that would imply that its less harmful than tobacco. maybe true but their evidence doesnt support that either.

Originally posted by PVS
that would imply that its less harmful than tobacco. maybe true but their evidence doesnt support that either.

Their evidence doesn't imply a whole lot at all, does it? And no, it wouldn't, since tobacco would not be mentioned at all. They leave it open without implying something.

all i know is that besides the fact that we are capable of breaking the world record for using the word "imply" in a debate, this:

Originally posted by dirkdirden
These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

is utter horseshit and kinda destroys the credibility of the study. whoever wrote that probably thought this moot point was the cherry to top his/her perfect study, but it really beams as a disclaimer: (just because you have a degree in science/chemistry/medicine, doesnt mean you have a degree in simple deductive logic)

You’re also forgetting the fact that hundreds of researchers have already done the research and have concluded that weed is worse that tobacco on the lungs. It would have been pointless for them to research tobacco when there subject was cannabis. The only reason they said it “maybe” instead it “is” was so that they didn’t have to link or site other researchers research, adding evidence to support an already know fact would waste time, space, and go off the subject of cannabis.

Rant and rave all you want but the fact is the article and research is sound.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
You’re also forgetting the fact that hundreds of researchers have already done the research and have concluded that weed is worse that tobacco on the lungs.

***links to any valid source for stated 'fact': conveniently left out
oh, i forgot, you're from teh intranetz, so i shouldnt question

Originally posted by dirkdirden
It would have been pointless for them to research tobacco when there subject was cannabis.

i agree. so then why, pray tell did they include such pointless and baseless data?

Originally posted by dirkdirden
The only reason they said it “maybe” instead it “is” was so that they didn’t have to link or site other researchers research, adding evidence to support an already know fact would waste time, space, and go off the subject of cannabis.

no, they said 'maybe' because they knew that their flawed hypothesis was just that. just a moot point that they threw in so that people like you can translate it as fact and parrot it on teh intranetz...in spite of any rational observation that their conclusion is for shit, based on nothing more than elementary deductive reasoning. sad that you're incapable of climbing aboard the reality train

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Rant and rave all you want but the fact is the article and research is sound.

i have presented a completely valid rebuttal and completely shot down their point on smoking cigarettes vs smoking pot. all you have done is cram shit in your ears and scream "LALALALALALA"

Originally posted by KILLA420
self explanitory.

Duh.

No drugs aren't bad for you. I mean it's only acid, it just makes you insane rolleyes

Hmmm are drugs bad for us.

Yes, they may be pleasurable, but they do have an adverse affect on your body physically one way or another. Occasional use I have no problem with. Even over the counter drugs have adverse affects on your organs.

But talking about some illegal drugs:

Pot does impair thinking, audio and memory.
Speed, crank..etc. really destroys your neurological systems and bones and later on causes chronic pain needing more drugs to numb the pain the damage it has done to your and nerve endings... even once you stop taking it, of cause that being that you were a strong user.

Coke is the real thing......no, just kidding.......

Valium and downers makes one lose bone density like really bad. It, when you are older will attribute to osteoporosis, easy bone fractures...blah blah blah......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hmmm are drugs bad for us.

Yes, they may be pleasurable, but they do have an adverse affect on your body physically one way or another. Occasional use I have no problem with. Even over the counter drugs have adverse affects on your organs.

But talking about some illegal drugs:

Pot does impair thinking, audio and memory.
Speed, crank..etc. really destroys your neurological systems and bones and later on causes chronic pain needing more drugs to numb the pain the damage it has done to your and nerve endings... even once you stop taking it, of cause that being that you were a strong user.

Coke is the real thing......no, just kidding.......

Valium and downers makes one lose bone density like really bad. It, when you are older will attribute to osteoporosis, easy bone fractures...blah blah blah......
well said. also, i dont buy into the whole "everything in moderation" BS either.

Originally posted by BlackC@
No drugs aren't bad for you. I mean it's only acid, it just makes you insane rolleyes

acid is known to accelerate/agitate existing chemical imbalances of the brain/psychosis/schizophrenia, however it doesnt just create these problems.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Pot does impair thinking, audio and memory.

temporarily. lets not pretend that it permanently damages said brain functions, as it never has been proven to do so, despite all the desperate studying with hopes to prove just that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well said. also, i dont buy into the whole "everything in moderation" BS either.

yes, its bullshit...because you said so.
thats awesome...im going to do that from now on. when someone posts contrary to my opinion im going to just say "thats BS" and fly away with no explanation.

yeah well...thats BS.....
*flies away*

The body works in two ways. One it accepts what it needs, two, it attacks as, or as a free radical........It just depends how many free radicals you want to deal with.

and that determines how many trips you make to the bathroom, right?

I could, yes.

you could determine how many poop trips i make a day?

Originally posted by PVS
all you have done is cram shit in your ears and scream "LALALALALALA"

Yes you are correct I allow unreliable sources like doctors, researchers, scientist, us government, and the British lung foundation to cloud my mind of the truth that smoking weed is harmless. The only source you have used is yourself. You’re a fool who should listen to is own advice and take the shit out your ears and stop lalaing.

Because you refuse to do look up information on the subject I’ll link a reference for you to read. I know you are WAY smarter then everyone at the British lung foundation and every one in the world for that matter but I'll link it anyways.

http://www.lunguk.org/downloads/A_Smoking_Gun.pdf

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yes you are correct I allow unreliable sources like doctors, researchers, scientist, us government, and the British lung foundation to cloud my mind of the truth that smoking weed is harmless. The only source you have used is yourself. You’re a fool who should listen to is own advice and take the shit out your ears and stop lalaing.

Because you refuse to do look up information on the subject I’ll link a reference for you to read. I know you are WAY smarter then everyone at the British lung foundation and every one in the world for that matter but I'll link it anyways.

http://www.lunguk.org/downloads/A_Smoking_Gun.pdf

1-you never posted this study, so how could i have ignored it?

2-this is a study based partly on which is more potent: cigarettes or pot, which the other study did not focus on objectively and by proper research.

3-the burden of proof is not on me, since i never said that it was incorrect that weed was more potent then cigarette smoke, only that the assumption made in the initially posted topic study was baseless and relying on an illogical control, of which i am correct. come to think of it, the only one to boldly declare 'fact' was...you.

4-i have never and will never ignore data/information/news/etc from any reputable source, unless i clearly see such a flaw as i pointed out and you choose to continue ignoring like a child.

5-if any of the above is inaccurate, and i have declared as a fact or even suggested that pot smoke is harmless and/or less harmful than tobacco, post the quote, or have a nice big glass of 'STFU you petty liar'.

as far as the newly posted study i have read it, as i have respect and decency enough to read people's posts word for word and any non-bias, non-flawed, non-agenda based information they post, unlike you...who apparently chooses to lazily glaze over posts, lie and accuse the poster with ridiculous claims, and parrot the same response over and over.

and as for the newly posted study:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/PVS/Picture1.jpg
whats this? a study focusing on the bronchial effects of marijuana rather than a baseless assumption? well that is worth taking into serious consideration. btw, again, since you have trouble reading, i never said this was incorrect. oh, im full of shit? again, quote me or shut your hole.

now read the last sentence of page 9:



so this would assume that the lungs either develop a tolerance to smoke, or perhaps alveoli become clogged with tar/resin (depending on tobacco or weed) causing the lungs to take in less smoke....who knows. i wont assume, but rather just say that this information proves me correct in my skepticism of the first posted article. if lungs can develop any tolerance to smoke, than you cannot assume that pot is more dangerous because those who smoke weed and tobacco as opposed to nothing at all are less likely to have a bronchial infection....btw this is the 4th time i've repeated this fact and the 4th time you will most likely ignore it.

until you have the respect to read what people post, perhaps you should not attempt to have a debate.







:edit: the fact that i can see that you're replying not only 15 seconds after i posted this tells me you have not read the damn post and are continuing to ignore 99% of these stated words and thus should just be ignored. i see alot of parroting of false accusations in this thread's immediate future. "blah blah ignoring scientists/doctors, etc"

I read every post you posted, you claimed the first article was flawed because they didn't have research to prove that weed maybe have worse effects on the lungs than tobacco.

I said they didn't need to do or show the research because it had been researched so many times that it is unnecessary to do it again there for it wasn't a flawed article. Then I showed just one of the many examples of other research that backed up the original articles clam that weed may be more damaging on the lungs than tobacco. Among most people this is commonly accepted knowledge and doesn’t need to be supported when claimed, therefore the original article is sound.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
I read every post you posted, you claimed the first article was flawed because they didn't have research to prove that weed maybe have worse effects on the lungs than tobacco.

I said they didn't need to do or show the research because it had been researched so many times that it is unnecessary to do it again there for it wasn't a flawed article. Then I showed just one of the many examples of other research that backed up the original articles clam that weed may be more damaging on the lungs than tobacco. Among most people this is commonly accepted knowledge and doesn’t need to be supported when claimed, therefore the original article is sound.

WRONG AGAIN. they have no business including assumptions based on THEIR OWN study. if they were to include data from another research then they would have sited it. dont make up your own lazy and inadequate standards for studies/hypotheses just to feel correct. they made a direct conclusion based on their own studies. watch again:

Originally posted by dirkdirden
A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers8. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent abuse can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways9. Smoking marijuana possibly increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers10.

Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens9,11. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke12. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells13. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

that is what i have argued and what you continue to childishly ignore. how obnoxious and pathetic

what do you hope to gain by ignoring a valid point by attempting to warp the standards of scientific research and deductive reasoning?

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Among most people this is commonly accepted knowledge and doesn’t need to be supported when claimed, therefore the original article is sound.

added point: its still not fact adn so must be sited or at least include "other research suggests" as opposed to only their own data>conclusion, unless that data leads to a valid conclusion. its hypothesis, as both articles clearly state. the only one who has declared it as fact is you. therefore you are factually wrong.

this video is a pretty good visualization of what the world looks like when you are having a bad trip on drugs. the song kicks ass too!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoMxJPo4is

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
this video is a pretty good visualization of what the world looks like when you are having a bad trip on drugs. the song kicks ass too!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoMxJPo4is

BUTTHOLE SURFERS!!! that brought back some memories.
ok, you're on my good side now...but dont get too comfortable

Holy crap. I didn't know anyone else even heard of the Butthole Surfers!

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Holy crap. I didn't know anyone else even heard of the Butthole Surfers! I thought everyone knew about you.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Holy crap. I didn't know anyone else even heard of the Butthole Surfers!
oh hell yeah. independent worm saloon is a bad ass cd. ever heard of the melvyns?

All, including alcohol and caffeine.

man, i am super hooked on caffeine.

I love lattes and cappuccinos, but you are right, caffeine is addicting and it is also bad for you. It pulls water from your body. It's a diuretic.

diuretic?

sorry, I meant diaretic....I think that is how it's spelled........ya know it takes water from you........like those pills people take........diaretic pills.

Originally posted by KILLA420
self explanitory.
There's only one thing to do for that question:


mullet

Originally posted by debbiejo
I love lattes and cappuccinos, but you are right, caffeine is addicting and it is also bad for you. It pulls water from your body. It's a diuretic.


Yes and a laxative, isn't that sexy?

Oohhhh so much..........and it works too...........They give enemas to cows with coffee ya know...............ewwwww

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes and a laxative, isn't that sexy?
Caffeine isn't a laxative or I'd be shitting my pants 24/7 because all I drink is soft drinks.

It's more coffee that does that. I suppose the sugar in soda does something to make it not as effective.

Originally posted by debbiejo
sorry, I meant diaretic....I think that is how it's spelled........ya know it takes water from you........like those pills people take........diaretic pills.
so its like turning on the faucet.

Originally posted by debbiejo
It's more coffee that does that. I suppose the sugar in soda does something to make it not as effective.
Ohhh. Well yeah..I see what you guys mean on that now. I just thought you meant "all" caffeine. I would totally have a toilet planted to my ass if so because I don't think I ever put any other drink to my mouth besides soft drinks and maybe Propel Fitness waters occasionally. Yeah, bad I know.

Which drugs do you mean? Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, regularly used by a lot of people, but excessive use has been proven to be unhealthy.

Narcotics can damage important organs, especially in youngsters still developing. They affect the mental state so even if they're not affecting you physically immediately, you're more likely to do something dangerous than if you're level-headed.

You can become dependant on them, as with a lot of things. I suppose that's a danger, but as I'm a smoker I can't really comment

Hallucinogenics can cause damage in later years, such as vivid flashbacks.

Having said all that, I was a recreational drug user and enjoyed myself immensely. I've stopped recently (over the last 6 months) because other things in my life have taken precedence over getting absolutely wasted on a regular basis. Alcohol usually gets me well on my way now and I can function with a hangover.

I would never recommend drugs to anyone, but I know I had a damn good time

i had my good times too. the confidence that ecstacy gave me was unreal. i felt 10 feet tall and invincible.

Duhh no matter what drug they are made for you to..., spend all your money,kill you, and get you into trouble.

i got out of it before i got into trouble, thank god.

coffee/cigrarettes/weed never made me spend all my money or get in trouble...true that tobacco might kill me though. thank god it not considered a drug. that makes it better. same as what consoles victims of alcohol abuse.

Originally posted by PVS
coffee/cigrarettes/weed never made me spend all my money or get in trouble...true that tobacco might kill me though. thank god it not considered a drug. that makes it better. same as what consoles victims of alcohol abuse.

The fact that it's legal? Brainwashing.

brainwashing? thats a theory.

Well, I mean advertising promoted cigarettes for god knows how long and then, almost suddenly, the advertising was banned because smoking 'became' unhealthy. According to my nan, smoking was only ever seen as the thing to do in her day, people were 'brainwashed'. Theoretically ermm

for years the issue of banning cigs advertising was an issue. they finally got the law passed, but it wasnt all of a sudden.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I love lattes I don't think there is any caffeine in milk.

in milk? dont think so.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
for years the issue of banning cigs advertising was an issue. they finally got the law passed, but it wasnt all of a sudden.

It's how it appeared to the general public though. Advertising for cigarettes and smoking was everywhere, really in your face, then it was banned. It seemed sudden and a lot of people who started smoking decades ago feel used. I know my generation really have no excuse for smoking, because we do know better. But my mum's generation and further back than that do have a reason to feel 'brainwashed'. Maybe the wrong term, but you get my drift?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
brainwashing? thats a theory.

That's all the government does with drugs. Its not that drugs are evil, its the drugs they haven't figured out how to make money off of yet. ADHD medication, depression pills, pain killers, they all effect your body, are potentially harmful, and addicting.

When I was in the hospital recently for Ulcerative Colitis I would be getting massive stomach pains. They would shoot me up with Dilaudid, a pain killer even more potent than Morpheme. If you've ever seen Trainspotting, when they shot up and they would completely zone out with a nothing but a smile on their face, thats how it felt. I would ask for it even when I wasn't in pain and the doctors had no problem hooking me up. I'd get the usual, "What's your pain on a scale of 1 to 10" and I'd sit there, wince a little and say anywhere from 5-10 and that was good enough for them. But when I told them I smoked pot they freaked and said "That's bad for you, you should stop!"

That's why the legalization of marijuana would help everybody, except the drug dealers of course.

drugs, illegal and for medical purposes, cause harm in your system. in the end, there is no such thing as a good drug.

Originally posted by -hh-
drugs, illegal and for medical purposes, cause harm in your system. in the end, there is no such thing as a good drug.

Yes, yes there is. It just depends what you define as good.

I loveeee em

what...ALL of them?