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Can these three win.

Overlord- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/overlrds.htm

No More Galactus!

IMO the team takes this 10/10.....

yeah i agree 10/10

HOM Scarlet Witch should be able to take him

Galactus takes this.

Originally posted by Galan007
No More Galactus!
How is that going to work if it didn't even work on all the mutants?
Wolverine wasnt affected by it? is Wolverine > Galactus?...

Originally posted by thedude1948
is Wolverine > Galactus?... That depends on which Fanboy you ask.

Seems as if Galactus at full power is like Eternity lvl. Dont' know how powerful Franklin is at full power, but Wanda in HOM was beyond the universe. She was remaking and erasing eternity like it was nothing. Albeit she was stark raving mad and not really in control. But galactus has that nifty ability to survive universal destruction and recreation better than anyone else. Galactus for the win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
but Wanda in HOM was beyond the universe. She was remaking and erasing eternity like it was nothing.
That is debatable, I don't think it was ever stated that she manipulated the whole universe. But I do remember it being stated that she was manipulating the planet.

Originally posted by Galan007
That depends on which Fanboy you ask.

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Originally posted by thedude1948
That is debatable, I don't think it was ever stated that she manipulated the whole universe. But I do remember it being stated that she was manipulating the planet.

I"m almost positive she was remaking the universe. I gotta get that book out of my storage. If she only remade the planet, This fight is lopsided with no hope for the mutants. Either way, Galactus' own power to survive Big bangs puts him over the top IMO.

WThe thing is Scarlet Witch as far as we've been shown only warped reality on earth, not the whole universe. Roma says in Uncanny X-men that Wanda performed a "GLOBAL alteration" and in lasts months "Avengers Disassembled What If" it refers to how Wanda was making global changes and that she rewrote the world time and time again.

Nowhere does it actually state that she warped the entire universe. A statement saying Wanda warped reality is ambiguous as its not specific enough and in light of Romas words and the lack of cosmic interference it seems very likely that it was just the planet. But who knows? Maybe more will be revealed soon.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
WThe thing is Scarlet Witch as far as we've been shown only warped reality on earth, not the whole universe. Roma says in Uncanny X-men that Wanda performed a "GLOBAL alteration" and in lasts months "Avengers Disassembled What If" it refers to how Wanda was making global changes and that she rewrote the world time and time again.

Nowhere does it actually state that she warped the entire universe. A statement saying Wanda warped reality is ambiguous as its not specific enough and in light of Romas words and the lack of cosmic interference it seems very likely that it was just the planet. But who knows? Maybe more will be revealed soon.


Same old garbage.


Wanda Warped the 616 Universe, end of story...


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg


"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg



yawn

Exactly Mr Master. She warped the entire 616 reality (including the entire universe). Remember how in Thunderbolts the Kree were shown to be affected by Wanda and they all weren't on Earth at the time. Besides don't you think if the entire Earth did a 360 spin in the blink of an eye that it wouldn't attract universal attention. The reason it didn't was because the universe spun along with the Earth

Originally posted by marvelprince
Exactly Mr Master. She warped the entire 616 reality (including the entire universe). Remember how in Thunderbolts the Kree were shown to be affected by Wanda and they all weren't on Earth at the time. Besides don't you think if the entire Earth did a 360 spin in the blink of an eye that it wouldn't attract universal attention. The reason it didn't was because the universe spun along with the Earth

Wanda even had Genis-Vell BLINKING the UNIVERSE In and OUT of Existence:

Something he has NEVER done BEFORE or AFTER:


Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg



"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg



"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...



"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg



Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg



Even Insane Genis-Vell ONLY destroyed the Universe, he NEVER created or remade a UNIVERSE.

But during HOM, Genis is Blinking the UNIVERSE In and Out of EXISTENCE!


Respect HOM Wanda yall...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same old garbage.


Wanda Warped the 616 Universe, end of story...


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg


"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg


"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg



yawn Except that very page contradicts this completely.Normaly I'm on board with you in Cosmic matters but you can't pick and choose what parts to use when on the same page it says she's just manipulating earth.That's a GS tactic and is beneath you.

Franklin Prime is just at high-celestial level - Not a factor ...
HoM Wanda - She would be able to win if she got enough time (emotion based power) but Eternity (Galactus' Prime) could just blow her out like a candle light before she set's fire to his house ...

It's like putting up Hulk Thor ... Hulk would win if he got angrier, it would take time, however if Thor is fast enough he can take him, and he have done serval times.

But Eternity is infinite (infinity grade 1) in all aspect's.
Speed and anything, Wanda wouldent get time to think ...

But if Wanda could generate power she would have the upper hand.

Originally posted by superbatman86
Except that very page contradicts this completely.Normaly I'm on board with you in Cosmic matters but you can't pick and choose what parts to use when on the same page it says she's just manipulating earth.That's a GS tactic and is beneath you.
Ahh but see Check out the above scan.. Genis blinks the Universe in and out that also contradicts, the Just manipulating the Earth.. When someone she manipulated was capable of such feats which i think surpasses manipulation of just one planet...

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Originally posted by Roldz
Ahh but see Check out the above scan.. Genis blinks the Universe in and out that also contradicts, the Just manipulating the Earth.. When someone she manipulated was capable of such feats which i think surpasses manipulation of just one planet...

Originally posted by Roldz
Ahh but see Check out the above scan.. Genis blinks the Universe in and out that also contradicts, the Just manipulating the Earth.. When someone she manipulated was capable of such feats which i think surpasses manipulation of just one planet... On matters of this scale when it's specially stated that it was just earth I need a direct statement to contridict it.And how can they tell he's blinking the universe in and out of existance because if was doing that then he doing it to them as well so how do they know?

Originally posted by superbatman86
Except that very page contradicts this completely.Normaly I'm on board with you in Cosmic matters but you can't pick and choose what parts to use when on the same page it says she's just manipulating earth.That's a GS tactic and is beneath you.

That very same page contradicts nothing.


That very same page is Heather pointing out to Blink that Wanda had ALREADY REMADE Beak's Whole World (Earth 616)

In the lower panels when Wanda is REMAKING the UNIVERSE though, she does NOT say, she is Remaking the World again, or she is Remaking Earth 616 again.

She specifically says,

"She's starting to REMAKE REALITY 616 again"

The FULL PAGE:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2681/whs7.th.jpg

Now the term "Earth 616" was used in the issue several times, why is it, that when it came to the ACTION of the WARP, the term REALITY 616 is used?


Since when is the Planet Earth an entire REALITY?

If Wanda's power was global, how the heck did she have Genis BLINKING the UNIVERSE In and OUT of EXISTENCE?

Originally posted by superbatman86
On matters of this scale when it's specially stated that it was just earth I need a direct statement to contridict it.

But it doesn't say it was JUST the Earth.

Where are you reading that from?

Another Reality 616 moment:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3268/w2vq7.th.jpg


Originally posted by superbatman86
And how can they tell he's blinking the universe in and out of existance because if was doing that then he doing it to them as well so how do they know?

Now your reaching,

if your going to try and get into the heads of little drawings and come up with, "how do they know", when they clearly said it,

we can go no further.

This is the scan leading up to and the page with Beak.
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=earth2xh6.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=earth3ic1.jpg

I can see how this can be interpreted as universal warping, but it was stated twice before the "reality" panel that Wanda warped earth, it could be a reference to the scope of reality that they were talking about.

The New Thunderbolts HOM tie-in with Genis however does make it seem like the scope of "HOM" did reach out past earth. I don't know, but the full scope of "HOM" seems pretty ambiguous to me.

And even there, those reality shifters need to think to make things change, Galactus can speed blitz beyong the speed of thought right? (I dont think there is on panel proof of any of that, but if he is at Eternity level he should, shouldnt he?)

Originally posted by Bentley
And even there, those reality shifters need to think to make things change, Galactus can speed blitz beyong the speed of thought right? (I dont think there is on panel proof of any of that, but if he is at Eternity level he should, shouldnt he?)

I'd give this fight to Galactus for a few reasons. HOM wanda was affecting all of 616 and debatably the entire universe- I say debatably because with the exception of Roma, none of the high level abstracts or guardians that tend to show up when universal level threats present themselves actually did.

None of the events wanda pulled off are beyond the capabilities of a high level cube being- those things can create pocket universes at will, as can franklin richards at his full potential.

Both cube beings and celestials are WELL below a full power galactus, who has been shown to absorb (and kill) celestials on his own. If we include the nullifier as part of the powerset of a 100% galactus (as we should) that was able to destroy and recreate ALL of the marvel multiverse, not just 616 eclipsing what wanda was able to do by a good deal.

Fellas,

just to point out, I never said That these Three stood a chance against a FP Galactus, I was merely pointing out the FACT that Wanda Remade the 616 Universe.

Whatever FP Galactus is, it's FAR BEYOND Universal in scope.

Galactus was NOT FP, and he was still absorbing the 616 Universe during the Black Celestial arc.

Here's a quick recap of the Story:



The Dreaming or (Black Celestial) was using GALACTUS to DESTROY ALL of Reality, to then CREATE a NEW ONE.



His (Galactus) appetite increased Geometrically, he would consume not only Planets, but the ENTIRE UNIVERSE"
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/1185/7ca3.th.jpg


Galactus's Power was going to obliterate the ENTIRE race of Celestials, destroy the Universe and create a NEW one.

"and with the UNIVERSE DESTROYED, not even the Celestials will survive, the Black Celestial will become the NUCLEUS and FOUNDER of a NEW UNIVERSE"
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7583/8qu3.th.jpg


"He will be a GOD"
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3127/9te0.th.jpg
"Galactus Himself is the WEAPON"





"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5524/11ms5.th.jpg


"Still the Giant doth continue to GROW"
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8535/12ej8.th.jpg
"Eventually, Thor, He would SPAN the ENTIRE UNIVERSE"

So not only will he absorb the Universe but he will become as big as one.





Reed even says, that basically the Multi-verse will follow:

"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him"
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8093/10qt9.th.jpg





Finally,

in order to stop himself from absorbing the rest of the UNIVERSE and EVERYTHING BEYOND

Galactus ERASES himself, and that UNIVERSE from existence

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1834/13vp5.th.jpg



"And without a sound, the UNIVERSE behind them softly and suddenly VANISHES AWAY"

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/858/14xo4.th.jpg


FP Galactus curbstomps ALL three, WITHOUT the Nullifier.

FP Galactus with the UN, is overkill.

From which book are those scans from?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
From which book are those scans from?

Fantastic Four #341

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fantastic Four #341
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