EVANGEL94 2nd SLUGFEST SHOWDOWN Tournament: Meta Level Draft

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Evangel94
This is the meta level draft. SPIDERMAN is the max level you can get for this level.

If SPIDERMAN cant beat your guy, then your choice isn't eligible.

I thought I would take the time to remind you of the rules...Since most of you all seem to forget them.



Go!~

StarsNeverFall7
Herald Level Draft: Thor

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Enhanced Meta Draft: Cable and Iceman

Cable:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable

Iceman:http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman

Mutant Level Draft: Spider-Man and Deadpool

Spiderman

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Spiderman

Deadpool

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Deadpool

Loot

Typhus
Morg
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/morg.htm

War Machine (Parnell Jacobs w/exo)
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/war_machine3.htm

Emma Frost
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/emma_frost.htm

Carnage
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Carnage_%28Cletus_Kasady%29

Deadpool
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool_%28comics%2

Laminator_X
Recap:

My Herald Level pick- Protege, the GotG foe.
There's no fansite with a bio up that I can find, but in a thread on the Image Comics boards creator/writer Jim Valentino himself posts a synopsis and pictures of the relevant issues. I would hope that (along with scans) would be sufficiently authorative. (so to speak) If there were characters above Herald Level around, the Protege could break the power caps. Since there aren't, he's effectively capped there too. He will actually start each bout at around Enhanced Meta level.

Enhanced-Meta Level:

The Super-Skrull in all his badass shape-shifting FFish brutality. Power Levels are at 60's FF scale and no booster beam. Evengel94 calls his strength at ~50tons. While he has more experience than he did in his first appearance, he's not as good at using his powers as the FF are. Use of his Hypnosis power will be severely limited limited by rules 2 and 8.

Temugin, the son of the Mandarin. His father's Marvel Bio has a list of the rings. Certain uses of the which would be curtailed by rules 2,3,4, and 11; of course. (Supplimentary wikki link)


On to the new stuff!

I'm drafting the Fixer and Ecstasy.

Here are a Bio and a pretty thorough Character History for the Fixer.

Here's a directory link for Ecstasy. For those unfamiliar, she's essentially a French Cloak knock-off.

While he will be packing his usual tech-pak & weaponry, this is not the robot Techno form, which would of course be in a higher power class.

Before anybody grouses about Doom being Herald Level based on his tech prowess, keep in mind the following:

a) Fixer's tech-pak, while perhaps more versatile, is nowhere near durability the over-all power of Iron-Man or Doom's armors. Doom can get pounded on by the FF all at once, at least for a little while. IM gets back up after punches from the Hulk. Fixer could not.

b) While the Fixer may be the fastest gadget man in the MU, he's not in Reed and Doom's league in terms of sheer do-the-impossable super-science. Fixer builds cool weapons and super-gadgets, out-foxes traps, and such. Doom builds time machines and steals the Power Cosmic from the Silver Surfer. Not even close.

c) Doom personally has high-level super-powers. Even though the Ovoid mind-transfer is banned, Doom is still a powerful enough wizard to have made the finals in Aged Genghis's tourney for the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme in the Doctor Doom/Doctor Strange graphic novel.

ExtraMision5555
Daredevil
Havok

stormfront13
Meta:

Vixen:

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/databank/Vixen/

Sway:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2072

hulk10
Richards http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mrfantastic.htm

Madam Medusa http://www.marvel.com/universe/Medusa

Evangel94
Originally posted by hulk10
Jean Grey http://www.marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey)
Richards http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mrfantastic.htm

jean grey is enhanced meta.

Loot
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Daredevil
Havok

havoc is not meta

Evangel94
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Daredevil
Havok

Since your new i'll let you know that daredevil is street level and give you a chance to change to another character. Meta level is for basic mutants.

Typhus
Damn, someone else got DP before me.... In that case.

Agent X
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Agent_X_%28Nijo%29

DP's clone

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Evangel94
Since your new i'll let you know that daredevil is street level and give you a chance to change to another character. Meta level is for basic mutants.

oh

okay
Sabertooth okay?

B dot Rob
Super Sonic
http://www.summerofsonic.com/articles/29/

Aquaman
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=27035

Sand
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/profiles/sandman.html

Cloak
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cloak.htm

Dagger
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/dagger.htm

Loot

Scoobless
So far everyone has drafted at least one character that could kick the crap out of Spider-Man without too much effort ... except for stars

erm

TricksterPriest
Herald pick: Apocalypse (pending full approval by Evangel)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_%28En_Sabah_Nur%29

Enhanced meta picks: Violator. http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/violator.htm (Sorry, this was the only non-wiki page of him I could find.) Omega Red. http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/o/omegared.htm


Hey Typhus, you're not the only one who wanted DP. I was too late also. :cry:

Meta picks: Original Mandarin. http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mandarin.htm

Forge. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Forge

Loot

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Scoobless
So far everyone has drafted at least one character that could kick the crap out of Spider-Man without too much effort ... except for stars

erm

did i? i
if i did i didnt mean to

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Herald pick: Apocalypse (pending full approval by Evangel)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_%28En_Sabah_Nur%29

Enhanced meta picks: Violator. http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/violator.htm (Sorry, this was the only non-wiki page of him I could find.) Omega Red. http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/o/omegared.htm


Hey Typhus, you're not the only one who wanted DP. I was too late also. :cry:

Meta picks: Original Mandarin. http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mandarin.htm

Forge. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Forge

Both your meta picks are too high. Please re-choose.

B dot Rob

TricksterPriest
So wait. Does that mean the Mandarin is an enhanced meta choice? I can see Temugin since he took on Iron Man with martial arts and almost beat him.


Edit: Ok, I'll repick. Gambit. (Classic, not Death) http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit

Venom. (Current version) http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom

Evangel94
Originally posted by stormfront13
Meta:

Vixen:

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/databank/Vixen/

Sway:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2072

Sway is too powerful. Re-choose and please no arguement. My ruling on this is final. No characters with Time manipulation.

Typhus
Honestly, Priest, who DOESN'T want deadpool

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SCGhost05/deadpools.jpg

big grin

Loot
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Spidey has put up a good fight against Cloak AND Dagger at the same time early in his career. confused

early in his career, early...

Loot
Originally posted by Laminator_X

On to the new stuff!

I'm drafting the Fixer and Ecstasy.

Here are a Bio and a pretty thorough Character History for the Fixer.

Here's a directory link for Ecstasy. For those unfamiliar, she's essentially a French Cloak knock-off.

While he will be packing his usual tech-pak & weaponry, this is not the robot Techno form, which would of course be in a higher power class.


Before anybody grouses about Doom being Herald Level based on his tech prowess, keep in mind the following:

a) Fixer's tech-pak, while perhaps more versatile, is nowhere near durability the over-all power of Iron-Man or Doom's armors. Doom can get pounded on by the FF all at once, at least for a little while. IM gets back up after punches from the Hulk. Fixer could not.

b) While the Fixer may be the fastest gadget man in the MU, he's not in Reed and Doom's league in terms of sheer do-the-impossable super-science. Fixer builds cool weapons and super-gadgets, out-foxes traps, and such. Doom builds time machines and steals the Power Cosmic from the Silver Surfer. Not even close.

c) Doom personally has high-level super-powers. Even though the Ovoid mind-transfer is banned, Doom is still a powerful enough wizard to have made the finals in Aged Genghis's tourney for the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme in the Doctor Doom/Doctor Strange graphic novel.

extasy is too powerful

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Typhus
Honestly, Priest, who DOESN'T want deadpool

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SCGhost05/deadpools.jpg

big grin



laughing laughing out loud laughing I love that guy. Deadpool is the only character in Marvel with really great dialogue.

Scoobless
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Meta picks: Original Mandarin. http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mandarin.htm

laughing out loud

Any Mandarin is beyond the Iron Man level, let alone the Spider-Man level.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
laughing laughing out loud laughing I love that guy. Deadpool is the only character in Marvel with really great dialogue.
you really think so?
the ONLY, character?


(but i agree, dp is very funny)

Loot

Scoobless
Originally posted by Evangel94
Sway is too powerful. Re-choose and please no arguement. My ruling on this is final. No characters with Time manipulation.

Vixen is far more powerful than Spider-Man as well.... in fact Spider-Man's powers are only a tiny fraction of her powers.

Scoobless

DigiMark007
Mandarin?

Reed?

Jean?

Vixen?

...I don't know if you people are really this clueless or if you're all just a bunch of dirty cheaters.

stick out tongue

Soljer
Suggestions: Midnighter, or Deathstroke.

Loot
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Mandarin?

Reed?

Jean?

Vixen?

...I don't know if you people are really this clueless or if you're all just a bunch of dirty cheaters.

stick out tongue

cheaters of course

King_Mungi
Suggestion: Puck :P

Scoobless
Firelord:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/f/firelord.htm

Spidey kicked his ass!

yes

Evangel94
Originally posted by Loot
cheaters of course

All of you are making this harder by not sticking to the rules. Because of almost everyone's, either obvious or unobvious, cheating I'll have to go through each character check each one manually. STOP trying to sneak in powerful characters.

This will delay when the tournament can start. I might have to delay the tournament a day or two if this blantant cheating continues.

Also FYI:
If you manage to sneak superman as a street level character. GUESS WHAT! His powers are limited by the category he is in. So superman wouldn't have any powers in the street category.

If you character is over the limit, they can't perform any better then the category they are in. They get their strength reduced and powers reduced.

Silver Surfer in meta? Anyone remember when Spiderman knocked out firelord? You get the idea.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Scoobless
Firelord:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/f/firelord.htm

Spidey kicked his ass!

yes

No. Be serious about you choices. This thread isn't about sarcasm. If you have time to draft a herald level character, then you have time to help me by checking out the character's being chosen and letting me know who is over the limit.

TricksterPriest
Next you'll tell me that Squirrel Girl is illegal. laughing JK. I'm a little rusty on Marvel, so I apologize if I'm giving the appearence of cheating.

Evangel94
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Next you'll tell me that Squirrel Girl is illegal. laughing JK. I'm a little rusty on Marvel, so I apologize if I'm giving the appearence of cheating.

It's a pain. Everything could run smoothly, but some people are choosing the wrong characters for this level.

Not to mention the fact some people give a really bad bio so they can sneak in a character with powers that aren't mentioned in the very bio they provided.

When a bio says they have "super strength", that is a really vague description and could range anywhere from spiderman to Hulk.

Loot

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King Kandy
I'll post bio's later.

Sauron

Ghost Rider.

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'll post bio's later.

Sauron

Ghost Rider.

1. Both picks need links or it is invalid.

2. You're going to make me look up your characters?

3. Sauron is not meta.

4. Ghost Rider is enhanced meta. Not meta

Loot

Tony Stark
New Avengers Luke Cage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Cage

And

Current Black Panther http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_%28comics%29

Scoobless
Were Venom and Carnage both allowed in this? they are both stronger and more durable than Spider-Man on his best day

Evangel94
Originally posted by Scoobless
Were Venom and Carnage both allowed in this? they are both stronger and more durable than Spider-Man on his best day

Well they are too weak for enhanced meta, so yes, I'll allow it. I'll set them as the cap for this level.

TricksterPriest
Thanks dude. I was worried I was going to have to repick Venom. GR is way too strong. For one thing, I'm not sure if the penance stare has limits. Hypothetical scenario: Galactus vs. Ghost Rider. GR uses Penance stare. Galactus feels the pain of the planets he has eaten. Plausible, or no way?

Loot
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thanks dude. I was worried I was going to have to repick Venom. GR is way too strong. For one thing, I'm not sure if the penance stare has limits. Hypothetical scenario: Galactus vs. Ghost Rider. GR uses Penance stare. Galactus feels the pain of the planets he has eaten. Plausible, or no way?

i doubt it, first because galactus is a cosmic entity, second because he is above good and evil

King Kandy
Vengeance

http://www.geocities.com/area51/chamber/5057/vengeance.htm

Carnage

http://www.geocities.com/bulmasan/carnage/carnage.html

Loot

Scoobless
Good luck trying to get Carnage to act nice on a team

stick out tongue

King Kandy

Loot

Tony Stark
Tony Stark's TEAM

Herald Level
The Fallen One

Enhanced Meta Level
Pre-Extremis Iron Man
Atlas

Meta Level
New Avengers Luke Cage
Current Black Panther

Loot
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Tony Stark's TEAM

Herald Level
The Fallen One

Enhanced Meta Level
Pre-Extremis Iron Man
Atlas

Meta Level
New Avengers Luke Cage
Current Black Panther

are you sure you can have atlas?

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
Vengeance

http://www.geocities.com/area51/chamber/5057/vengeance.htm

Carnage

http://www.geocities.com/bulmasan/carnage/carnage.html

Vengeance is enhanced meta. Carnage is already taken.

Evangel94

Loot

Laminator_X
Originally posted by B dot Rob

Cloak
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cloak.htm

Dagger
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/dagger.htm

Wow. If you and I face one another where you've got C&D and I've got Ecstasy...

I don't know which one of us would be screwed but it either way it would probably be cool.

Loot
can i have quicksilver?
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/quicksilver.htm

B dot Rob
I'd just have Dagger feed Exctasy light energy until she's only allowed to be tangible and Super Sonic knock her out with an energy beam/Sand hit her in the face with a boulder. wink

Laminator_X
Originally posted by B dot Rob
I'd just have Dagger feed Exctasy light energy until she's only allowed to be tangible and Super Sonic knock her out with an energy beam/Sand hit her in the face with a boulder. wink

Sounds like a good plan. I'll remember it. evil face

Loot

B dot Rob
I think Terra can beat Juggernaut and she's only meta.

Same with Sand who's arguably meta.
Same with Banshee.
Same with Magma.
Same with Blink.
etc etc etc


Your problem is you're going by bios and not what's defined in the tourney/actual appearances.

Loot

B dot Rob
I'm pretty sure you are because Cloak hasn't looked above meta in about 10 years and is pretty pitiful in Civil War.

Blink is and always has been meta since she sucks and has one overrated win.

Loot

B dot Rob
I could care less if you took Blink.

Loot

B dot Rob
Nope.

Loot
then how would she beat jugs and not venom?


Here are some feats:
redirects the eyebeams of King Hyperion

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/...84050034rh0.jpg

fills him full of sand

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2317/blink7ib7.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5034/blink8jj9.jpg

King_Mungi
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Nope.

She actually could, but oh well.

B dot Rob
Venom's alot faster/more versatile then Juggs and notice Hype was standing still in said scans allowing her to pinpoint his position.

Loot

Scoobless
Marvel Boy:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Boy_%28Noh-Varr%29

B dot Rob
Exactly my point, you're going by one of the many biased respect threads and not what you've read yourself.

Laminator_X
What exactly among Cloak/Extasy's powers do you see to be the problem, Loot?

Intangability? Darkness? Teleportation? Life Drain?

The Life Drain's the only one I could maybe see as over the top, but it's a slow attack, not an instant kill. Also, if it's over-used the intangability power goes away. People with the right powers can and have escaped it, or overcome the thing inside.

Cloak and Dagger fight drug dealers, cults, and Evil Voodoo Pawnbrokers. They teamed up with Power Pack. They can be very effective due to the oblique nature of their attacks, but this is their weight-class.

B dot Rob
Don't short sight our characters. If the voters/judges/ w/e want to think we are drafting Heralds that's just more points for us devil

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B dot Rob
Now what did she do in AoA that makes you believe Carnage couldn't beat her?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Scoobless
Marvel Boy:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Boy_%28Noh-Varr%29

Excellent pick

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Now what did she do in AoA that makes you believe Carnage couldn't beat her?

Have you read Exiles? She's dominates basically everyone

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B dot Rob

King_Mungi
If she can tag Hyperion and people vastly faster in Exiles, Carnage is not going to be trouble. She could teleport him directly to the moon or tons of rock inside his body.

B dot Rob
From what I've seen she only got Hype because he wasn't blitzing.

King_Mungi
That's nothing, she rountinely "tags" people who are faster than her sending multiple tele-bolts out at once. She's a beast in Exiles

Scoobless
That is true .... and she can teleport people directly into orbit for an OHK

erm

King_Mungi
As far away to the moon, which she has done multiple times before.

Scoobless
Same result.

stormfront13
if cloaks allowed, then blink should be allowed

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=104

Scoobless
We just posted the reasons why Blink shouldn't be allowed... and Cloak shouldn't be allowed to BFR anyone either

stormfront13
Originally posted by Scoobless
We just posted the reasons why Blink shouldn't be allowed... and Cloak shouldn't be allowed to BFR anyone either

i know, i know, but i figured if cloak easily made it by then i'd give blink a shot. soooo.....i'll go with Zero

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/pov/showquestion.asp?faq=5&fldAuto=46

just go down and you'll see him

Scoobless
Originally posted by stormfront13
i know, i know, but i figured if cloak easily made it by then i'd give blink a shot. soooo.....i'll go with Zero

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/pov/showquestion.asp?faq=5&fldAuto=46

just go down and you'll see him

Zero automatically shuts down a persons life force (as in "kills them"wink if they have hostile intentions ... I think he wont be allowed

Roldz
Backlash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backlash_%28Wildstorm%29
Ironfist http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iron_Fist_%28Danny_Rand%29

Roldz
Herald level
Supeman Blue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_Blue

Enhanced Meta
Dane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dane_%28Wildstorm%29
Grail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_%28WildStorm%29

Meta
Backlash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backlash_%28Wildstorm%29
Iron fist http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iron...28Danny_Rand%29

Blair Wind
no expression


WIKI IS NOT ALLOWED.

You may continue

Roldz
Problem is some of this guys are not too popular and dont know where to get there bio...

TricksterPriest
Hey question. Is current Gambit too powerful to considered Herald? If not, can I take the horseman version instead? I just realized that regular gambit screws up my team chemistry.

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Typhus

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Evangel94
Stormfront13, Scoobless, Extramission5555, and King Kandy

Those who have not picked their Herald through Meta characters completely will not be allowed to draft for street level until they do so.

Scoobless
So far I have:

Herald:

Quasar

Enhanced:

Mimic (Exiles)

Guardian

Meta:

Marvel Boy

Evangel94
Originally posted by Scoobless
So far I have:

Herald:

Quasar

Enhanced:

Mimic (Exiles)

Guardian

Meta:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Boy_%28Noh-Varr%29]Marvel Boy

One more meta is required before you will be allowed to draft street characters.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Evangel94
One more meta is required before you will be allowed to draft street characters.

I know ... haven't decided yet though ... gimme an hour

Loot

Scoobless
He's in Iron Man's league

Loot
Originally posted by Scoobless
He's in Iron Man's league

with his electromagnetic powers?

magneto may be better then guardian, but sill...

Scoobless
Iron Man has electro-magnetic abilities as well

Loot

Evangel94
In the final confirmation thread, everyone can onbject to other people's choices and make sure everyone is obeying the rules. Although I missed a few characters for the sake of keeping the tournament moving, rest assured that EVERYONE, by the end of the confirmation thread, will have their characters within the specified rules.

stormfront13
hey, Ev, i posted all my picks and you never answered, so i'll post them again

Herald: Goddess Storm: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=76&page=12

^scroll down, i can also post a detailed bio from wiki for more info if u want


Enhanced Meta: Mimic, and Miss Martian
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=712

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/OYG/missmartian.html

Meta: Vixen, Zero

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/databank/Vixen/

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/pov/showquestion.asp?faq=5&fldAuto=46

Scoobless
Ok:

Herald:

Quasar

Enhanced:

Mimic (Exiles)

Guardian

Meta:

Marvel Boy

M (Monet St. Croix)

Loot

Scoobless
Well she's a really weak telepath ... I think she has to make physical contact to do anything

Loot

Roldz
Originally posted by Scoobless
Ok:

Herald:

Quasar

Enhanced:

Mimic (Exiles)

Guardian

Meta:

Marvel Boy

M (Monet St. Croix)
Hey Guardian should be at herald level, his got feats that puts him in that league..

Roldz

Scoobless
Originally posted by Roldz
Hey Guardian should be at herald level, his got feats that puts him in that league..

Like what?

Roldz
like time control, matter manipulation, forcefield/Blast withstanding/effecting say Galactus attacks, SOFL speed... There's more but i just cant remember right now...

Laminator_X
Byrne-era Gaurdian would be fine for E-Meta.

TricksterPriest
Ok, since Evangel hasn't objected yet, I'm guessing he's cool with my repick. For my other meta pick, Gambit (current, Horseman version). http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit I know he has Gambit's abilities and the additional powers from the conversion process, and I was worried Evangel would say he's too high for meta. But I guess it's cool. thumb up

Roldz
Im not too familiar with the writers themselves, i dont know where it starts and where it ends.. Just buy depending on story arc and art...

Scoobless
Originally posted by Roldz
like time control, matter manipulation, forcefield/Blast withstanding/effecting say Galactus attacks, SOFL speed... There's more but i just cant remember right now...

He doesn't control time or manipulate matter.

The Galactus incident happened in a place where Galactus couldn't access the power cosmic .. he was essentially a big purple version of Giant Man

What is "SOFL"?

Roldz
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, since Evangel hasn't objected yet, I'm guessing he's cool with my repick. For my other meta pick, Gambit (current, Horseman version). http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit I know he has Gambit's abilities and the additional powers from the conversion process, and I was worried Evangel would say he's too high for meta. But I guess it's cool. thumb up
This guy has 1 attack kill unless of course you've got healling abilities then you might be okay, Apoc.. himself is treatend by him..

Scoobless
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, since Evangel hasn't objected yet, I'm guessing he's cool with my repick. For my other meta pick, Gambit (current, Horseman version). http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit I know he has Gambit's abilities and the additional powers from the conversion process, and I was worried Evangel would say he's too high for meta. But I guess it's cool. thumb up

So what are the main difference from regular Gambit? that bio didn't really say anything after the part where he lost his "look at it and it explodes" powers.

Roldz
Originally posted by Scoobless
He doesn't control time or manipulate matter.

The Galactus incident happened in a place where Galactus couldn't access the power cosmic .. he was essentially a big purple version of Giant Man

What is "SOFL"?
Speed of light, And time control his done it, back and forth to the future/past... I dont remember which comic was that i dont know if it was weapon X, wolverine or X-men titles..

Roldz
Originally posted by Scoobless
So what are the main difference from regular Gambit? that bio didn't really say anything after the part where he lost his "look at it and it explodes" powers.
His own powers + poison, he can make poison out of nothing and fill your inside with it...

Loot

Laminator_X
OG Gaurdian.. I'm thinking first appearance in Uncanny through his seeming death battling Omega Flight... couldn't do the over-the-top stuff. After that he got all sorts of crazy alien-tech upgrades.

The fastest he could go with his "Ultra-linear Leap" was about 13,000mph, and that's ony be if he was flying due east high altitudes. That was only realy an escape or intercept move. His combat speed and reflexes were way lower.
His normal best speed was around the speed of sound.

TricksterPriest
So you guys are going to object based on his poison powers being a one hit kill? Thats for normal humans, it doesn't say how it affects mutants. But maybe I can get him with some limits.

Scoobless
I'm not fully committed to Guardian at this point anyway .... but I have to keep him until the confirmation thread (or whatever)

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Laminator_X
OG Gaurdian.. I'm thinking first appearance in Uncanny through his seeming death battling Omega Flight... couldn't do the over-the-top stuff. After that he got all sorts of crazy alien-tech upgrades.

The fastest he could go with his "Ultra-linear Leap" was about 13,000mph, and that's ony be if he was flying due east high altitudes. That was only realy an escape or intercept move. His combat speed and reflexes were way lower.
His normal best speed was around the speed of sound.

Heather has actually used the teleport trick in battle

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_03.jpg
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Anyways I won't put my two cents in on if he should be allowed in or not. Not up to me.

The Galactus feat is a high end feat as the people who were also battling Galactus at the time could do nothing prior to Hudson attacking him. Won't say who that's up to others

King Kandy
You aren't letting me have ANY characters!

Thing:http://marvel.com/universe/Thing_%28Benjamin_Grimm%29

Spiderman:http://www.spiderfan.org/

King_Mungi
I would have picked Windshear for this area.

Loot
Originally posted by King Kandy
You aren't letting me have ANY characters!

Thing:http://marvel.com/universe/Thing_%28Benjamin_Grimm%29

Spiderman:http://www.spiderfan.org/

when evangel put examples of enhanced character she said iron man, colossus and thing, so thing is not meta.
and wasn´t spiderman taken already

StarsNeverFall7
Spiderman fell under the mutant category, and was already chosen.

King Kandy
*Grumble*...

Scoobless
Unpinned.

That's right ... I'm your new mod!

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King Kandy
Originally posted by Scoobless
Unpinned.

That's right ... I'm your new mod!

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Methinks there is some conflict of interest afoot.

Scoobless
Methinks me will use mes new mod powers to get thee to argue against thyself.

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